The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – Is it the Guns Only?

Given the almost weekly incidence of the death, invariably of a young man, caused by a firearm, Barbadians are understandably concerned about their prevalence. In an alarming display of linear reasoning however, the popular assumption appears to be that once we can rid the nation of all unlawful firearms, then there would be no, or at least fewer shooting deaths. That may be logically so, but the fact that death may be caused by other criminal means leaves one to query whether we are bothered merely by those murders caused by the bullet or whether we are equally concerned, as we ought to be, with the murder or maiming of one individual by the hand of another, however caused.

Accordingly, most of the suggested initiatives for combating the current phenomenon have centred on ensuring their absence from the country by restricting the importation of these weapons; by punishing severely their unlawful possession, by initiating a gun amnesty to limit their incidence; by having trials for kindred offences tried in a separate gun court; by having a street march; and the most intriguing one so far from a contributor to “Brass Tacks” two weeks or so ago who expressed the notion of amputating a number of fingers of those convicted of gun crimes and allowing them back into society, I suppose, “pour décourager les autres” For the caller this would be a most effective solution since those so sentenced would be unable to fire another weapon in anger and would even be, as he so risibly put it, unable to clean themselves after defecating (he used the local vernacular to dramatically amusing effect however).

All these suggestions may be likely to reduce or severely limit the incidence of firearms and their unlawful use but, as the National Rifle Association of the US so frequently intones in defence of its members’ Second Amendment rights, “guns do not kill people, people do!” The identical reasoning may be applied to the knife, the bomb and even the nuclear weapon. Each needs to be activated by a mind intent on committing murder and is, without that “mens rea”, a harmless object

This proposition is no less logical however than the obverse notion cited above that elimination of the weapon will thereby reduce shooting deaths, but its further consideration also leads inexorably to the opinion that we need rather to concentrate of the nature of the mind that would form the intention to take the life of another individual by any means including the inanimate gun, or knife, or even poison for that matter.

Of course, the impediment here is that we would prefer to believe that it is much easier to remove the temptation than to cure the mind, even though the admissible evidence thus far would cogently suggest otherwise. The importation and possession of unlicensed firearms have always been unlawful, there have been more gun amnesties than one locally, the Gun Court in Jamaica, apart from having been a constitutional nullity did not stem the number of fatalities owed to the bullet in that jurisdiction and while the caller’s suggestion referred to above would be clearly effective in a number of isolated instances, the imposition of cruel and inhuman dissuasive punishment for an offence has never served effectively to deter the reprise of that conduct by another. But these require much less thought than the concept of altering human conduct.

In the latter context of removing the criminal instinct, the questions become a step too difficult for a society impatient for relief to contemplate. It starts with the grudging recognition that the same individual that would recklessly fire into a crowd of fellow citizens is a product of the society, the political and educational systems that we have created and in which we exist and not merely some extraterrestrial visitor to our space. It continues with the contemplation of what local circumstance might have caused such a mindset in one of our own that the state would have delivered into this world with taxpayer-funded hospital services, offered similarly provided education to at least age sixteen with the prospect of additional assistance, should he need it, to go even further in order to acquire training for a skill that would enable him to become a productive citizen of the society.

Yes, we should seek to eliminate the gun from our society, but we also need to ascertain what force might have intervened to break the chain of causation from that innocent baby born to adoring parents to the sober productive citizen he was s destined to become and convert him into a wild-eyed thug that has no compunction in killing or maiming a number of fellow citizens to “bore” his intended adversary.

The late Prime Minister, Mr. David Thompson, might have been on to a useful concept with his mantra that Barbados was not merely an economy, but also a society”. However, we did not make the logical connection that the creation of a just society should require an abstention from the materialist development that we have pursued in which the acquisition of as much wealth as possible to the neglect of the most vulnerable is perceived as success. In that milieu, the drug baron is of equal status to the successful business magnate or community leader.

Can we then blame the impressionable youngster for wishing to take the easier road less frequently travelled to fame and fortune? To answer my own question therefore, no, it is not the guns only. It is rather our chosen developmental path. And as the weeping man in the rearview mirror seen by Shabine in Derek Walcott’s “Schooner Flight”, we might yet weep for the houses, the streets…

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125 Comments on “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – Is it the Guns Only?”

  1. Simple Simon September 13, 2017 at 10:04 PM #

    @Chad99999 September 10, 2017 at 7:20 AM “There is no mystery at all about the people responsible for burdening society with more and more young thugs, many of whom will use guns to commit murder and mayhem. The culprits are young women

    Yadda, yadda, yadda.

    You don’t get tired of hearing yourself?

    In the beginning wunna blame woman for mekkin’ man eat de apple.

    Get over yourself.

    Men do what they want to do.

    Women tired of taking the blame.

    If you think you so good, then go and raise your own damn unruly boy children.

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  2. Simple Simon September 13, 2017 at 10:31 PM #

    f@ortyacresandamule September 12, 2017 at 1:34 AM # ” We cannot afford nowadays to left our children upbringing to chances, because the consequences of erring is an enormous price for the society. Case in point, the monetary cost alone of crime and violence to jamaica’s society is around(3-5%) of it’s GDP according to a world bank study.”

    What if we paid Jamaican grandmothers that 3 to 5% of GDP to positively socialise their grandchildren.

    Would 3 to 5% of GDP be too much money to put into the hands of middle aged lower class women?

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  3. Hants September 13, 2017 at 10:49 PM #

    @ David

    Former Peterborough MP Dean Del Mastro returned to jail in Lindsay, Ont. on Wednesday after losing a second appeal on Election Act violations

    http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/former-mp-del-mastro-back-in-jail-considering-supreme-court-appeal-on-election-charges

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  4. Simple Simon September 13, 2017 at 10:50 PM #

    @fortyacresandamule September 12, 2017 at 3:20 PM “This new parenting paradigm has to be revolutionary. Your suggestion won’t be sufficed. We are talking about a thorough education from pre-conception to post conception. As a matter of fact, parenting has a scientific endeavor, should be the new status quo.

    Sounds real neo-nazi to me.

    ’cause I am here wondering when some fail the parenting classes as some are sure to do, what will you do with them, let them breed anyway or castrate them?

    Please take your idea of scientific parenting to its logical conclusion for us.

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  5. Simple Simon September 13, 2017 at 11:01 PM #

    @Hog Plum September 13, 2017 at 7:39 PM ” Owen where are you not at John Moore nuh.”

    Like a sensible man at home in his comfortable bed doing those things which keep sensible people happy.

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  6. Artaxexes September 13, 2017 at 11:03 PM #

    Fractured BLP

    is grasping at straws and demonstrating to BU that comprehension is not one of his strong points.

    George Hinkson NEVER said Mia Mottley DOES NOT have a LEC……….

    ………… he said she is suitably qualified to become the next Prime Minister of Barbados, even IF she does not have a legal certificate TO SHOW.

    The conjunction “IF” in Hinkson’s statement introduced a conditional clause……………

    …………i.e. “ASSUMING” or “SUPPOSING” that “Mottley does not have an LEC, she is still suitably qualified to become the next PM of Barbados.”

    The DEMS want intelligent Barbadians to believe the first time any current or former DLP parliamentarian heard about this issue, was when Denis Lowe mentioned it in 2015, especially under circumstances where many of them are/were lawyers………… including the “historian” Freundel Stuart.

    Knowing the DLP and its yard-fowls, if they had evidence to prove Mottley is illegally practicing law in Barbados, they would have been “overly anxious” to present the proof in public forum, similarly to how information from former Transport Board employee, Lisa Marshall’s personal file was “leaked” to the public.

    But we all know Freundel and Ms Pilgrim are bluffing and politically grandstanding.

    Remember………. ALL BLUFFERS WILL BE CAUGHT.

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  7. Simple Simon September 13, 2017 at 11:10 PM #

    @Artaxexes September 13, 2017 at 11:03 PM “public forum, similarly to how information from former Transport Board employee, Lisa Marshall’s personal file was “leaked” to the public. but we all know Freundel and Pilgrim are bluffing and politically grandstanding.”

    Why you don’t leave george ‘lone.

    I like George.

    Good looking fella.

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  8. Fractured BLP September 14, 2017 at 1:24 AM #

    Artaxexes on September 13, 2017 at 11:03 PM
    Fractured BLP

    is grasping at straws and demonstrating to BU that comprehension is not one of his strong points.

    George Hinkson NEVER said Mia Mottley DOES NOT have a LEC…..

    Arthole

    Go an rest your weary soul

    Who is George Hinkson ??? As you wrote above ???

    A clear case that you have a CESSPOOL of BLP mess to clean !

    • Edmund Hinkson called George Payne in Court papers a thief .

    • George Payne took Edmund Hinkson to Court for calling him a thief !

    • With a few months to go before General Elections – Edmund & George are ” UNITED BLPites ” !!!!!

    • George don’t dare drop the case against Hinkson – or else that proves Hinkson to be truthful in calling George a thief .

    No wonder you cannot mek up your – MIND – as you have shown to the world above……..whether to shut up GEORGE or shut up HINKSON !!!!

    And jokers like you talking bout …..bluffing ?????

    You and the others gine sweat 💦 till wunnah get knocked out.

    Timing is of the …..essence !!!!

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  9. Bush Tea September 14, 2017 at 4:17 AM #

    @ Simple S
    I like George.
    Good looking fella.
    +++++++++++++++
    Get glasses checked.

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  10. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. September 14, 2017 at 5:52 AM #

    https://www.barbadostoday.bb/2017/09/13/comissiong-crime-plan-must-not-trample-bajans-rights/

    Adriel Nitwit is jumping out again…that legislation he is swiftly trying to pass should include police access to every house occupied by the white, indian and syrian minorities on the island, instead of unlawfully breaking down the doors of blacks each and every time, have the police search the houses of the real gun and drug distributors and traffickers, the ones who import the drugs and guns on their yachts…and dustribute them into the black communities….search..the whites and indians who have had multiple illegal guns for years, get into their houses and confiscate those weapons.

    There are not enough minorities on the island to make a difference for the election, but the majority who the government and police love to target…are the ones to vote theur asses out, they got the numbers.

    Lol..Simple, George is ya garden variety scum ball, just like the ones in government, remember he was the one after US election talking about how much good the orange scum ball trump will do for the Caribbean, despite all the hard back black leaders in the Caribbean…who should be the ones DOING good for the Caribbean…all ah dem are the same…no damn good for the people of the Caribbean…and trump is mashing down and breaking up the US.., so just imagine how much destruction he would visit on everyone in the Caribbean..

    George is a jackass extraordinaire.

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  11. Artaxexes September 14, 2017 at 7:17 AM #

    Fcuktured BLP

    Is pushing a non-issue, because the yard-fowl immediately knew I meant Edmund Hinkson and, other than the name he has NOT proven my comments were INCORRECT.

    However, speaking of “CESSPOOL of a mess to clean”……….

    There is information posted in a particular forum pertaining to certain activities undertaken by a robust and bombastic individual in “Fcuktured BLP’s” camp.

    Please be reminded………..information from that particular source about a certain associated matters has so far PROVEN to be CORRECT. Names of individuals involved in a nefarious or egregious act were mentioned by this source long before they were mentioned by the traditional media.

    AG Adriel Brathwaite may be also called upon by the general secretaries of the other political parties to investigate whether or not this bombastic DLP “top gun” wrote a $250,000 cheque, from an UK off shore account, for the purchase of a Range Rover.

    The DLP yard-fowl joker is always on “bluffing in innuendo” with this nonsense about Hinkson calling Payne a thief. So what, who cares, has there been a civil suit?

    However, the world knows John Griffiths called Michael Carrington a THIEF for WITH-HOLDING his funds for a number of years. Griffiths filed a civil suit against the CROOKED LAWYER and court RULED in Griffiths’ FAVOUR.

    Ironically, on Thursday, January 29, 2015, a banker’s cheque for approximately $293,094 was paid on behalf of Carrington to the law firm GEORGE Walton PAYNE and Co.

    At least Fcuktured BLP should give me credit for “getting GEORGE name right” on this occasion.

    So, Fcuktured BLP, you are a “political bluffer”…….George or Edmund are trivial when compared to the activities in your camp.

    All bluffers will be caught!!!

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  12. Simple Simon September 14, 2017 at 9:38 AM #

    @Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. September 14, 2017 at 5:52 AM “George is a jackass extraordinaire.”

    Don’t you think that it is possible to be a good looking jackass extraordinaire?

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  13. mitchlans September 14, 2017 at 10:48 AM #

    Wondering which warrants greater investigation; the existence of a certificate or, according to a surprisingly reliable source, a $250,000 check written on a foreign account for one of a number of imported vehicles bought from a since murdered businessman, in one of which a stash of guns has been discovered at the port.

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  14. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger September 14, 2017 at 10:57 AM #

    Simple..sorry, i can only see the jackass…lol

    ..they are trying to distract with the LEC nonsense, but its a waste of time, everyones eyes are focused on the connection to the dead UK dude and the ministers and others likely to be involved, they love to jump into criminal things as long as the criminals are white.

    from coast to coast…and i do not mean the island`s tiny coastline, everyone is watching this.

    if there exists a 1/4 million dollar check to a UK bank, scotland yard will know for sure, there will be no covering up and hiding this one.

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  15. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger September 14, 2017 at 12:43 PM #

    if it had been done 10-14 years ago, instead of both corrupt governments playing games with it, many lives would have been saved…lets hope its done before the next shipments of drugs and guns arrive at those ports….next week.

    am sure others have already taken the place of the dead gunrunner..

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/100491/securing-ports

    CAMERAS will be installed at all of Barbados’ ports of entry. Attorney General Adriel Brathwaite made no bones about that decision yesterday when he announced: “Cabinet has instructed the minister responsible to do all within his power to immediately see that we have cameras at all of our ports of entry.” Responding to a question yesterday…

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  16. angela Skeete September 14, 2017 at 2:57 PM #

    Imagine Mia practicing. Law and is not legally certified by anyb country in no part of the wirld . Only in bubudas would this shit happen

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  17. Hants September 14, 2017 at 3:25 PM #

    Hope Watchman is not affected.

    “Holders Hill and Payne’s Bay Road, St James are currently flooded due to heavy rains.”

    Some vehicles have become stuck in the flood waters.
    Police have urged motorists to find alternative routes.
    The island is under a flash flood warning until 4 p.m. (BN)

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  18. Crusoe September 14, 2017 at 4:26 PM #

    Well Well and Mitchlans.

    That is a big cheque. How about the other British guy who died. Was he ‘offed’ because he knew too much and could let too many beans spill? Too much coincidence for him to be found hung a week later. Big boys letting the small ones swim, to protect themselves.

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  19. Crusoe September 14, 2017 at 4:28 PM #

    Angela Skeete,

    Just shut up now, no one wants to hear your blather.

    But if you refuse to shut up, then do something useful with it. What did the hanged English guy (suicide what) know that caused him to be ‘offed’?

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  20. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. September 14, 2017 at 4:46 PM #

    Crusoe…it’s obviously a very organized criminal network between the two countries and beyond as people who know are saying.

    Ah guess someone had to pay the piper, let’s see who else pays, these things just don’t go away because the corrupt wants them to, all who are involved will be called to account, one way or the other…as they well deserve.

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  21. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. September 14, 2017 at 4:51 PM #

    So Angela Yardfowl can try to distract as much as she wants, it’s a waste of time.

    The ministers should give her away to whoever all those guns and drugs belong to, that is all she is good for…a trade.

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  22. mitchlans September 14, 2017 at 4:53 PM #

    Angela Skeete, how about asking Lowe Down to produce a copy of the “Will” he claims is responsible for a sudden injection of $5m into his mother’s account.

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  23. Crusoe September 14, 2017 at 4:57 PM #

    Well Well,

    The implications are frightening. If they have had to ‘off’ guys to cover tracks, you KNOW that big boys are involved. Clearly a major drug and gun network. I hope the English journalists run with it, Baje’s surely will not. But when those English journalists smell a story this big, they will bite. And they will not have the repercussions that the local guys fear, so they have nothing to lose.

    We NEED them to bite and bite hard. Those guys can track money and locate assets etc.

    Good luck to them.

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  24. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. September 14, 2017 at 5:40 PM #

    Yep..real journalists will be sicced on that story, the british police will give them updates and they will do their investigative journalism routine…

    ……real english journalists, not the pretend journalist we got on the blog nor the fraud journalists in Barbados that are easily gagged…the big newspapers in UK will run with the story.

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  25. millertheanunnaki September 14, 2017 at 5:43 PM #

    @ angela Skeete September 14, 2017 at 2:57 PM
    “Imagine Mia practicing. Law and is not legally certified by anyb country in no part of the wirld . Only in bubudas would this shit happen..”

    We, too, must share your concern about Mia’s capacity to practise Law in incestuously slimy shitty ‘Buy’badus.

    For a real real lawyer like the speaker who financially ambushed a pensioner in a wheelchair would point out to the CoP and DPP that the holding of offshore bank accounts by any minister of the Crown without the permission of the Central Bank is totally illegal and a crime serious enough to warrant not only their removal from his or her ministerial portfolio but also the immediate call for a by-elections should that same person be a sitting member of Parliament.

    It has to be nothing but pure salacious scandal to assume that a minister who has never queried the necessity of the LoO to possess a LEC but only her ability to ‘nakedly’ streak down Broad St while screaming like a bald pooch cat is nothing more than a money launderer of proceeds from bribery and corruption.

    Ac, the metamorphosed Angelic clown, are you dealing cleanly with a clear case of money laundering when a citizen and resident of Bim, allegedly, can issue a cheque drawn on a UK bank account to settle a transaction involving the sale of a vehicle in clear breach of the Customs Act, the Road Traffic Act, the Anti-Money Laundering Act and the Banking Act?

    If the rumour of holding a UK bank account used to launder proceeds from bribes while holding public office, then here is the golden opportunity for Mama Mia to fulfill her life-long ambitious goal by bringing down your corrupt DLP administration by way of a coup of infamous disgrace by inviting Scotland Yard to handcuff her political nemesis and neutralize her working-class opponent from the cane-grounds of St. Philip to the white Massa kitchen on the ‘Sunburnt’ plantation of Marchfield.

    Mia, you have two aces in the hole along with the Queen of Hearts. Now the ace of spades has been thrown down the river. Why not go” all-in” and play your jack of spades for the gallery to see?

    But we shall soon see if the Privileged class and the working class are both ‘trumped’ by the shared philosophy of the Political class:
    ‘Friendship traded among crooks and liars is the only binding currency used by politicians to turn the Law into an ass.’

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  26. angela skeete September 14, 2017 at 6:31 PM #

    OK miller speaking of handcuffs maybe a couple would fit perfectly on Mam hands as court records file by payne vs Hinkson debacle has indicated Mam to be involved in illegal actions not befitting to be a govt minister farther less to be a Prime Minster

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  27. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. September 14, 2017 at 7:19 PM #

    Miller…Mia should do her job as Opposition leader and speak to scotland yard…bring them all down, make sure they follow the money and find those bank accounts filled with laundered money, especially for the one Michael Lashley. …but definitely for all the ministers.

    Money laundering is an international crime.

    Someone mentioned recently that a government official got into an accident last month and could not account for how the car got into the island….

    ..I guess we can conclude that the vehicle was also laden with drugs and guns. ..upon its arrival in the port.

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  28. Crusoe September 15, 2017 at 8:26 AM #

    In light of the deaths of two English expats here in two weeks, one clearly related to drugs and guns, the other an ‘interesting’ close event, I hope the authorities such as immigration review those who are here on extended stays, to ascertain those with solid evidence of earnings, compared to those with dubious records.

    Obviously, some of these would be Weare’s ‘friends’. Surely those connections are being looked at. Also worth a check is to see whether any expats who Weare surely knew, have suddenly made bookings to leave the island. Maybe scared due to what they know. If any have, what they have to say would be very interesting.

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  29. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. September 15, 2017 at 10:59 AM #

    Immigration need to connect with their british and other counterparts to background check these whites and others who slither into the island claiming to be business people and buying up plantations, not only are the chances extremely high that they are known criminals to law enforcement in their jurisdictions, but very likely that they engage in modern day slavery among other criminality.

    This Weare rah rah…has a lot of blowback, particularly for corrupt government ministers.

    The BBC is on the ball…

    “Insp Cobbler said there were no details of how Mr Weare died.”

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  30. Hal Austin September 15, 2017 at 11:59 AM #

    Is there any appreciation of contempt of court in Barbados? Even more, do the defence lawyers for people accused of serious offences which are discussed on social media aware of the impact of these so-called posts on their client s innocence or guilt? It is my understanding t hat young men are before the courts on the Weare case.
    The attorney general of England and Wales has just launched a review of social media and contempt of court with the expressed intention of taking legal action against people who break the law.
    Only a couple weeks ago the foreman of a jury was jailed for Googling the accused in the case in which he was sitting. It is illegal.
    Once an anonymous troll is arrested and jailed the others will realise it is not fun to commit contempt of court; and with it, editors who do not remove offending posts as soon as is practicable.
    But it the bar association that has to raise its game.

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  31. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. September 15, 2017 at 12:06 PM #

    Hal..the troll…, ya trying to cover up the Weare case, but ya too weak, ya are a weak jourmalist and an even weaker detective, and ya are no lawyer at all…..the information will come out…deal with that.

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  32. Crusoe September 15, 2017 at 1:12 PM #

    Hal Austin September 15, 2017 at 11:59 AM #

    Where above do you see accused names for any case or the details of any case mentioned? All of the comments above are in general terms about drugs and guns, nothing specific to a case, not about any accused.

    Above you will see the name of a man who someone (s) murdered and another who supposedly committed suicide.

    You are joking or have not the slightest clue what you are talking about.

    Above also discussed also in general terms the nature of guns being imported and drugs imported into Barbados.

    Apart from the dead man, Weare, who apparently was in the business. Dead men cannot be charged, so no case there.

    What are you on about?????

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  33. Crusoe September 15, 2017 at 1:15 PM #

    Ironically, the only one to have mentioned above, as to people before the courts, is Hal.

    Oh dear Hal, what are you getting yourself into.

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  34. Hal Austin September 15, 2017 at 1:28 PM #

    Crusoe,
    Plse read the below carefully.

    Crusoe September 15, 2017 at 8:26 AM #
    In light of the deaths of two English expats here in two weeks, one clearly related to drugs and guns, the other an ‘interesting’ close event, I hope the authorities such as immigration review those who are here on extended stays, to ascertain those with solid evidence of earnings, compared to those with dubious records.
    Obviously, some of these would be Weare’s ‘friends’. Surely those connections are being looked at. Also worth a check is to see whether any expats who Weare surely knew, have suddenly made bookings to leave the island. Maybe scared due to what they know. If any have, what they have to say would be very interesting.

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  35. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. September 15, 2017 at 1:51 PM #

    Crusoe…Hal is not an investigative journalist or he would know all of that would encompass investigations into drug dealing and other crimes by white british and others on the island, which in this case are cross border police investigations……I am sure are ongoing, eg…all the drugs and guns being confiscated at the port, in car parts and elsewhere and who is likely to take Wear’s place….to continue such crimes into the island.

    ….but will still have no direct impact on that murder trial itself….cause they git the accused and their statements.

    The trial has nothing to do with people who speculate on the blogs who are free to…..

    He aint too bright.

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  36. Crusoe September 15, 2017 at 3:00 PM #

    Hal Austin September 15, 2017 at 1:28 PM #

    And??? What has that to do with anything. No names or details mentioned. As I said, a dead man cannot have a case.

    You are way off.

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  37. Crusoe September 15, 2017 at 3:04 PM #

    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. September 15, 2017 at 1:51 PM #

    Exactly, I did not even mention a case, spoke very generally about two dead men and crime.

    Strange, maybe someone is asking him to cut the conversation? Lots of nervous folks about, very likely.

    I am really wondering what some of these expat fellows are doing about here, now. We usually assume they are in business, but…

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  38. Crusoe September 15, 2017 at 3:31 PM #

    Hal Austin September 15, 2017 at 11:59 AM #

    After re-reading your initial summary, I must say that I am disappointed in your lack of understanding of what constitutes contempt and the circumstances.

    Disappointed why? Because I rejoice when I see those willing to commit to fruitfully comment on matters of civil importance. Especially when those are of an ability to understand and assess issues fully.

    Your post above indicates a complete lack of understanding of the matter of contempt. Aide from what I referenced above, which remains true, that I and others have spoken generally, nevertheless, even if we had not, it would be very difficult to achieve the notion of contempt.

    Why? Because we are commenting editorially on a matter of civil interest, without being bound by the court in any manner.

    We are NOT reporting on court proceedings, we are discussing without reference to such.

    The case you refer, the ‘chairman of the jury’ …do you actually understand the implication of that, as opposed to an (as you wrote unfairly), an ‘anonymous troll’?

    Do you actually get it?

    You then write ‘ for a case in which he was sitting”It is illegal’.. Good gosh man! Duh!!!!!!!!!!

    To compare a sitting juror to an internet discussion amongst political enthusiasts is just mindbogglingly ignorant.

    You then go on to say ‘once an anonymous troll is arrested’… on what grounds oh seer? On what grounds?

    Compounding the ignorance is your dismissal of the above bloggers as ‘anonymous trolls’.

    Very strange indeed, far less totally uncalled for. Why are such persons, and you have referenced a paragraph of mine, so obviously you refer to me also, ‘trolls’?

    Because we dare to discuss a matter of national importance amongst ourselves?

    Either we have stepped on a corn, which I suspect, or you have hit the Mount Gay early this Friday.

    Finally Hal, go and read up on what contempt of court actually means, before yabbering nonsense.

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  39. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. September 15, 2017 at 3:58 PM #

    Hal is a study in idiocy, a very special case.

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  40. angela skeete September 15, 2017 at 5:39 PM #

    After lol many years of fighting govts proposal of placing cameras in strategic areas of the immigration dept close to custom officers the Unions have conceded
    Isn,t it a dam shame that they are ignoramus the likes of Mcdowell who would stand in the way of the country,s best interest to protect custom officers

    SMFH

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  41. Hal Austin September 15, 2017 at 6:13 PM #

    Crusoe,
    Your above comment is contempt, or more properly will be in any developed jurisdiction. I do not intend continuing the conversation. If you are a lawyer, then go back to your books. Or, is this another example of how we do things in Barbados?

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  42. Crusoe September 15, 2017 at 6:51 PM #

    Hal Austin September 15, 2017 at 6:13 PM #

    It is not (under English law that Barbados follows), I already said, go and read up on what contempt is.

    No, YOU go and read up on contempt, you have no clue.

    Just for kicks, explain why you think that it is contempt.

    ‘I do not intend continuing this conversation’, as expected, because you cannot back up your opinion by explaining the points. I have above showed why you are wrong.

    Again, very disappointed in the lack of understanding and now moreso in your obstinacy in trying to stick to your ‘wrong and strong’ attitude.

    And lastly, now you, quite nastily, run to the ‘is this another example of how we do things in Barbados’, to sidestep the fact that you are wrong, trying to put the blame for your ignorance on the process here.

    Poor.

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  43. Crusoe September 15, 2017 at 7:16 PM #

    Hal Austin September 15, 2017 at 6:13 PM #

    PS – ”Your above comment is contempt” Again, I thought that Weare is dead, not under trial?

    As explained, above the general issue of criminal activity as it relates to British expats is what was being discussed and is clearly reflected in the comment that you quoted. What the heck does that have to do with a trial? The only one to mention a court case was you. No one else did.

    I have no idea of what court case you are speaking of.

    Mindboggling.

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  44. TheGazer September 15, 2017 at 8:43 PM #

    Geesus… John over there. Hal over here, AS lurkimg somewhere

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  45. Bush Tea September 16, 2017 at 12:06 AM #

    @ Crusoe
    Boss … TRUST Bushie on this…
    Hal is NOT worth it….
    He has been an insufferable idiot from school days … and likely even prior..

    He can only manage to get you to lower your standards to his level – where he is comfortable – having been an idiot all his life.

    Think about it Crusoe….
    This is a man who fell for a simplistic money scam by some Bajan parro…that cost his wife thousands of dollars …. and then HE came on BU – identified the poor wife – and let the whole blog know what a jackass he is….

    ….and you are ‘arguing’ about the legal meaning of contempt with this SAME ‘person’… ???!!

    Cease and desist…. PLEASE!!!

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  46. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. September 16, 2017 at 4:18 AM #

    Lol…

    Ah bet meh last dollar that Hal is clueless to the definition of contempt or he would not dare hold this argument.

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  47. Crusoe September 16, 2017 at 6:22 AM #

    Bush Tea September 16, 2017 at 12:06 AM #

    Point taken.

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  48. Crusoe September 16, 2017 at 6:24 AM #

    @ Well Well,

    Back to normal programming.

    I am with you (however cannot be on the wholesale vilification of foreigners, I just cannot), on wondering how many of these expats are in on criminal activities.

    Hence my thought on the authorities needing to examine why and how some are here.

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  49. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. September 16, 2017 at 11:52 AM #

    Crusoe…the criminal expats know who they are, I wont hurt my head about who are not expat criminals.

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  50. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. September 16, 2017 at 2:24 PM #

    Look Hal…the only fearless Bajan journalist the island has ever known, a real one.

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/100543/write-stuff

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