Sewage on the South Coast and TIDES

There was a very lively town hall meeting held yesterday to further ventilate on the vexing issue concerning the deterioration of the environment on the South Coast of Barbados to follow the well attended BLP political meeting held on Sunday night. Successive governments have invested heavily in education and health, the unfortunate and protracted situation playing out on the South Coast begs the BU question if the heavy investment has provided an adequate ROI.
The following comment was posted by John, a prolific commenter on the issue.

Barbados Underground

John commented on Graeme Hall Nature Sanctuary Assessment Report and the South Coast Sewage Plant Connection

So, here’s my thinking at the moment.

There is a standard 3 foot increase in underground water level due solely to tidal fluctuations.

The rain falls … 6 inches plus.

The sluice gate is nailed shut for whatever reason.

It’s operation is the responsibility of the owners of Graeme Hall Plantation … GOB.

The 3 foot fluctuation now occurs on top of 5 feet due to the inability of the water to drain through the sluice gate.

So underground water levels can vary from 5 feet above a zero datum to 8 feet above that datum.

Before, the most it would increase to was 3 feet above the zero datum and that was due to due to an act of God.

Water now “springs” from unlikely places due to an act of man.

Manholes, backyards wherever it is forced by the sea it comes up.

The sewage issues, both from the plant and the development in the watershed make a bad situation worse.

Is Government liable for its handling of the sluice gate?

There is the 1945 conveyance which specifies how the owner of Graeme Hall Plantation is to operate the sluice gate.

Here is what has happened with Mrs. Burke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNWA4_mPdcs&feature=youtu.be

She knows instinctively at 84 that the operation sluice gate has been mishandled and is one of the causes of her problems.

Her residence looks like it is closest to the zero datum

…. and then there are businesses

http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/91384/guests-bolt

It is possible that like Mrs. Burke, this business is also a victim of the handling of the sluice gate?

If it is where I think it is I believe it is a victim too.

Clearly it is suffering loss and it is easily quantifiable.

Does the decision regarding liability of the GOB to the GHNS only apply in the case of the BIT or does it have implications for locals seeking redress for loss through the courts here?

Would the GOB be strictly liable to those suffering loss under the laws of Barbados?

Probably phrased it all wrong as I am not a lawyer but just applying logic which might not be legal!!

… maybe that’s why spring tides are so called!!

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260 Comments on “Sewage on the South Coast and TIDES”

  1. Artax December 20, 2016 at 9:52 PM #

    ac December 20, 2016 at 7:54 PM #

    “The enviromentalist in the video is stating what Peter Allard had warned the govt of barbados when they insisted on deveolping swamp land for commercial and residential use. His warnings have come true but as usual the same blind bats and hardheaded political yardfowls of the blp who refused to heed the warnings and take ownership are out in force looking in every nook and cranny trying to place and as usual found the gutter rag for refuge.”

    @ ac

    Was Richard Sealy the consultant engineer on the South Coast Sewage Project?

    You need to answer that question!!!!!!!

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  2. ac December 20, 2016 at 10:03 PM #

    So for argument sake lets say sealy was a consultant. It doesnt mean that
    1. He gave advice that govt followed
    2. Depending on the consultant area of expertise his involvement can be limited to only those areas where his knoweldge can be helpful
    Your constant brow beating about sealy involvement is shaded with perceptions and close to grabbing at straws

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  3. Artax December 20, 2016 at 10:21 PM #

    You have been arguing sewage plant should not have been built in its present location and it is ENTIRELY INADEQUATE.

    “So, for argument sake lets say Sealy was a consultant.” Yes, we can agree that “Depending on the consultant area of expertise his involvement can be limited to only those areas where his knowledge can be helpful.”

    However, taking into consideration “your constant brow beating” the INADEQUACY of the ENTIRE PLANT, surely you must agree that his knowledge COULD NOT have been helpful. If, according to you, the entire plant is inadequate, then “the consultant area of expertise (of) his involvement” also comes into question.

    Your response “about Sealy’s involvement is shaded with perceptions and close to grabbing at straws.”

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  4. Bush Tea December 20, 2016 at 11:18 PM #

    @ Artax
    Surely Sealy would have declared his interest ….(had he been a paid consultant on the original project,) ….BEFORE his protestations that there was no problem and the water was safe.

    Would it not look suspicious to find yourself being advised about the ‘safety’ of the Titanic by one of the engineers who designed the structure? …What ELSE could he be expected to say?

    Bushie doubts that Sealy would sink so low as to encourage Bajans to swim in shit …without admitting up front, …that he was involved in building the toilet….

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  5. David December 21, 2016 at 2:54 AM #

    @Bush Tea

    Did Sealy declare his interest on th Barrack building project?

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  6. Bush Tea December 21, 2016 at 9:17 AM #

    @ David
    Was Sealy involved in any successful engineering projects…?
    It does not seem that his change to the political arena is doing any better either…

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  7. Vincent Haynes December 21, 2016 at 9:26 AM #

    Bush Tea December 21, 2016 at 9:17 AM #

    He built St.Saviours anglican church at the bottom of Baxters Hill in St.Andrew,many years ago which is still standing….he may need to go back and do the lords work.

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  8. GreenMonkey December 21, 2016 at 11:09 AM #

    Nation columnist Pat Hoyos comments on the Dolittle administration’s head-in-sand approach to dealing with the South Coast sewage crisis.

    It is the preference of this administration, as I have noted before, to take a passive-aggressive stand in the first instance when it finds itself facing an angry constituency, political or otherwise. 

    So, in the Cahill Energy matter, it ignored and ducked all questions, and then in May, at the Prime Minister’s Ilaro Court solo performance, sorry, Press conference, he let it be known that the writing was on the wall for Cahill.

    And then suddenly, it was announced in Parliament that the whole thing was off. But that took at least a year of public outrage and criticism before the Dolittle administration conceded defeat.

    But when unsightly things are gurgling and bubbling in your backyard and in your bathrooms and even on the streets where you and the visitors live and move about, I knew it wouldn’t be that long. 

    See more at: http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/91553/hoyos-file-sewage-anger-bubble#sthash.Qr6HEn8n.dpuf

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  9. ac December 21, 2016 at 2:07 PM #

    Tell pat Hoyos the stink is originating from right under the signatures of those who approved the building of the Sewer plant on swamp land

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  10. Well Well & Consequences December 21, 2016 at 3:57 PM #

    Lol, hahaha, lol

    “But after experiencing this Dolittle administration’s snubbing of an entire community last Tuesday at the Carib Beach Bar,. –

    See more at: http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/91553/hoyos-file-sewage-anger-bubble#sthash.Qr6HEn8n.A4XteUGr.dpuf.

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  11. John December 22, 2016 at 11:34 AM #

    Today looks like rain all day!!

    So far 84 parts here, a ways off the 6 plus inches but wouldn’t be surprised if this is a 2-3 inch day.

    The tide has peaked at the moment at 2.1 feet but tonight will be the next peak, 1.8 feet.

    https://www.tide-forecast.com/locations/Bridgetown-Barbados/tides/latest

    The level in the Wetlands may rise so somebody better decide if to either run quick and open the sluice gate or else be keep both eyes on the two low points, Mrs. Blackman and Gentle Breeze.

    If by this evening Mrs. Blackman’s property looking threatened, open the sluice gate because the tide will push up the level between then and 11:35pm even if the rain has stopped.

    Tonight is a good night to open the gate.

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  12. David December 22, 2016 at 11:38 AM #

    @John

    Are you suggesting if the rail holds expect more poop on our highways and byways IF the government does not borrow COW’s heavy equipment to lift the sluice gate?

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  13. TheGazer December 22, 2016 at 11:45 AM #

    Domiciled in the US
    Gonna retired to Florida
    Gonna hit Barbados on January 4th
    Would like to talk with a few of ya.
    Good for at least one free beer. Can buy more than one beer.
    Not B or D, just a Bajan.
    Going to visit HC around noon on the 5th.
    See Ya there?
    ]Married, but like the dumb ac 🙂 Haaaaa

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  14. Nostradamus December 22, 2016 at 12:16 PM #

    John for the past week or so they have been sending an excavator pretty much every evening to clear the sand from around the sluice gate to allow the outflow of water and sending it back early each morning to block in front of the sluice gate with sand to stop the flow of water out. remember the sluice gate ha not been operational (move up and down) for 10-12 years.

    I was told by a very reliable source that at 6:30 am this morning they had not sent the excavator back and water was flowing out. Don’t know if they decided to allow the water to continue to flow today because of the rain.

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  15. Hants December 22, 2016 at 12:17 PM #

    @TheGazer,

    I visited HC in 2009 and was stopped by a security guard.

    Told him I was visiting from Canada and just taking a “nostalgic” tour.

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  16. ac December 22, 2016 at 12:48 PM #

    Wasn’t thst dam thing upgraded in 2012 at a cost of thousands of dollars
    The South West Sewer plant has turned out to be a bottomless pit ay taxpayers expense

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  17. Vincent Haynes December 22, 2016 at 12:50 PM #

    This is Flooding on the west coast infront of Holetown monument…….Worthing must be in trouble by now….the rain is still falling…..our aquifers must be smiling.

    http://ow.ly/gF8x307nkrL

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  18. John December 22, 2016 at 3:22 PM #

    Rain like it held off … 94 parts at the moment now I get back

    If all the poop has already flowed into the sea or decayed all that will flow now is naturally discoloured water because of the vegetation.

    The problem with the sewage plant has been rectified in early November so if we continue to see poop it is either because there is a second source probably on the South West Boundary or all has not either flown out or decayed.

    … or more problems with the plant.

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  19. Artaxerxes December 22, 2016 at 4:41 PM #

    This sewage mess brought comments from a few government ministers and senators, including: Denis Kellman, who played the DLP’s usual “blame the BLP” game; Richard Sealy taking a swim to reassure Barbadians and tourists that the water was safe for bathing; Donville Inniss rightfully stating that someone should be held responsible for the over-flowing sewage; Harcourt Husbands giving an “erroneous” cost of $1B to overhaul the system; and John Boyce, who basically dismissed Inniss’ and Husbands’ comments as rhetoric, while saying both gentlemen “do not what they are talking about.”

    However, seeing that sewage is also an environmental issue, I am yet to hear comments from environment minister Denis Lowe.

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  20. ac December 22, 2016 at 6:09 PM #

    And what was the comment out of Mottley mouth FIX IT . I hope she is able to swallow the cost of fixing it
    ACost stacked on many other cost that most likely has grown to a billion dollars over the years trying to fix a pit toilet built in the middle of a swamp

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  21. Artax December 22, 2016 at 7:26 PM #

    And I hope Richard Sealy is able to swallow the cost as well, since he reaped financial gains from “a pit toilet built in the middle of a swamp.”

    A point that a DLP yard-fowl like you conveniently overlook.

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  22. Hants December 22, 2016 at 9:03 PM #

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  23. ac December 22, 2016 at 9:14 PM #

    Any minister who should be speaking about the negative impact on the enviroment resulting from leaking sewage brought ablout because of the plant inability to handle glooding.
    Any body who should be speaking out eith an spology should be the ministers of the then govt who perpertrated this unconscionable act I’m the enviroment which includes the habitat for wild life and mitagory birds
    Nobody in there right mind would have gone beyond logic and rationale to build a sewer plant on swamp land. Nobody

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  24. Academic Polspoyov December 22, 2016 at 9:21 PM #

    @ac

    It was the DLP that conceptualised the need for the project and its broad perameters dude. The issue her is that wanna ain’t maintain it since 2008 and the whole thing screwed.

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  25. ac December 22, 2016 at 9:49 PM #

    The idea is not the problem but on a broader side the execution of the idea and what measures were taken that does not present conflicts to the betterment of society.
    So far there is exhibit A which shows there is evidence to prove there was a high disregards for enviromental concern during the initial planning

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  26. Artax December 23, 2016 at 2:01 AM #

    “Nobody in there (their) right mind would have gone beyond logic and rationale to build a sewer plant on swamp land. Nobody….”

    That may be true.

    However, it is ludicrous for you to suggest that a minister, who may be a lawyer for example, from any administration would wake up one morning and decide to authorize the building of a project (that is outside the realm of his/her profession), without at first consulting someone who has expertise in the given field.

    Since you have knowledge of EVERY POSSIBLE THING, you should be aware that a consultant is usually hired to liaise with clients to plan and design construction projects.

    Therefore, “nobody in their right mind would have gone beyond logic and rationale to build a sewer plant on swamp land,” unless they accepted the professional advice and recommendations of the consultant to the South Coast Sewage Projects.

    And would that consultant be Richard Sealy?

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  27. Artax December 23, 2016 at 2:22 AM #

    It is interesting to note that financing for the South Coast sewage System (Project # BA0036) was provided by the Inter-American Development Bank and the contract signature date was March 8, 1993.

    Before you continue to spew your usual “rhetorical party political diatribe,” you should avail yourself of the requirements to receive funding from the IADB.

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  28. ac December 23, 2016 at 6:31 AM #

    Sir i read all the requirements which must include environmental reports beore approval
    However the reports and findings are done solely by those firms approved by the govt and not by the financier

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  29. Artax December 23, 2016 at 8:15 AM #

    ac December 23, 2016 at 6:31 AM #

    “However the reports and findings are done solely by those firms approved by the govt and not by the financier…”

    Yard-fowls are a special or unique breed of “Gallus Gallus Domesticus.”

    Where in any of my contributions did I mention “the reports and findings are done solely” “by the financier?”

    But you, however, are not that clever and have brought yourself around to essentially admitting what you were actually trying to avoid.

    Based on your above comments and constant criticisms of the sewage plant, you are suggesting government should have rejected the consultants’ recommendations to build the plant in its current location, because such advice was inappropriate.

    Therefore, BOTH the consultants (including Sealy, if he was one) and government should SHARE blame for the sewage “fiasco.”

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  30. David December 23, 2016 at 1:55 PM #

    The BLACKman got his matter highlighted in the Nation Newspaper?

    They say perseverance seldom fails.

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/91687/matters-maria-flood-warning >

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  31. Hants December 23, 2016 at 2:20 PM #

    The Drainage Division and MTW can restore the gully to its former state.

    This is not a million dollar problem.

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  32. millertheanunnaki December 23, 2016 at 5:19 PM #

    @ ac December 22, 2016 at 9:49 PM
    “The idea is not the problem but on a broader side the execution of the idea and what measures were taken that does not present conflicts to the betterment of society.
    So far there is exhibit A which shows there is evidence to prove there was a high disregards for enviromental concern during the initial planning…’’

    So why don’t you take a strong dose of your own medicine and advise the boss man- who himself is in need of a good dose of decision-making Viagra)- not to approve the erection of Hyatt’s Priapistic monstrosity in such an environmentally sensitive and potentially a culturally debasing location?

    When Bridgetown loses its designation as a World Heritage site whom would you be blaming?

    Mia and the BLP for causing the problem with the Bridgetown sewage system or for not objecting to the Hyatt or for not collecting the tonnes of garbage and filth ‘beautifying’ the ole fair city?

    Wouldn’t the erection of the tower for voyeurs give the guests a bird-eye’s view of the open daily toing and naked nightly froing of the denizens and clients of that red-light ghetto?

    Is that what would be on the visitors’ list of attractions; a towering spectacular called “a taste of Amsterdam by night Bajan Style”?

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  33. ac December 23, 2016 at 6:40 PM #

    Artax you are intrepreting my words to fit your political agenda.No point in trying
    The long and short of the story being that if Sealy was brought in as a consultant his area of expertise would only allow his opinion to deal with that area
    So for u to imply that the consultants in question if having given any opinion on the project signfy an overall expert opinion of the project is disingenuous

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  34. ac December 23, 2016 at 6:47 PM #

    Miller what is your problem why u keep mumbling and grumbling about projects that have not even hit the ground while the Sewer project initiated by your past blp govt has become an economic night mare and an eviromental disaster all at taxpayers expense
    Why dony u put pen to paper and emit your foul mouth gases on that issues

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  35. David December 24, 2016 at 3:03 PM #

    Looks like they are operating the sluice gat, finally!

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/91728/sluice-gate-reopened

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