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The Hissing Tongue of the Serpent

Submitted by Terence Blackett

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How So-Called Knowledgeable Christians Corrupt & Debase Good Morals by Virulent Speech, Hatred of Others & Self-Opinionated Plaudits of Self-Righteousness

“Reprove a fool and he will hate you – rebuke a wise man and he will love you” – Proverbs 9:8

Aristotle – Greek philosopher believed that “Educating the mind without educating the heart is no education at all.” Some would beg to differ strongly with this opinion. CHRIST said unequivocally, “For where a man’s treasure is, there his heart will be also.” (Matt 6:21) Socrates, also a Greek philosopher opined: “I cannot teach anybody anything; I can only make them think” – something many can agree on. The BIBLE in Luke 6:24 says: “The [intrinsically] good man produces what is good and honourable and moral out of the good treasure [stored] in his heart; and the [intrinsically] evil man produces what is wicked and depraved out of the evil [in his heart]; for his mouth speaks from the overflow of his heart.” So mouth and heart are inextricably linked – showing what’s really inside the human person.

In today’s world, “It takes courage to stand up for what’s right – it takes even more to do it in LOVE.” In a piece entitled “When Did Christians Get So Mean?” the author cites some very important truisms which only those suffering from ‘denial-phobia’ would venture to reject! For it’s virtually impossible to get real consensus today on even the basics!

Plato – another Greek philosopher opined: “Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” However, Scripture reveals how the river of the heart flows as the “tongue also is a fire, a world of wickedness among the parts of the body. It pollutes the whole person, sets the course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.” (James 3:6) And although the battles of life, as Solomon cites, sees “the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favor to men of skill; but time and chance happens to them all” (Ecclesiastes 9:11) yet the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. (Matt 24:13) Thus the collective journey for us all remains part of a spiritual movement (either shared or divided) as we choose to see fit.

Aristotelian wisdom recognized: “I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies, for the hardest victory is over the self” – for he felt that “It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.” Scripture is clear as well in (Galatians 5:24-25): “Those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed the passions and desires of their sinful nature to his cross and crucified them there. Since we are living by the Spirit, let us follow the Spirit’s leading in every part of our lives.”

In the Pre-Socratic School of Stoic Greek philosophy, led by Epictetus, believed that “You count yourself to be but an ordinary thread in the tunic. You ought to think how you can be like other men, just as one thread does not wish to have something special to distinguish it from the rest: but I want to be the purple, that touch of brilliance which gives distinction and beauty to the rest. Why then do you say to me, ‘Make yourself like unto the many?’ If I do that, I shall no longer be the purple.” Paul the Apostle in a Biblical adjunct to the argument reminds us that we are “ALL MEMBERS” of One Body! For “the body is a unit, though it is comprised of many parts. And although its parts are many, they all form one body. So it is with Christ”. (1 Cor. 12:12; 27)

Pericles (another Greek orator & statesman) cited that – “What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others.” These philosophical tenets and principles are all borrowed from the foundational principals etched within the Sacred Walls of The Scriptures and can be found out only with careful, tireless investigation.

In Cor. 1:22 “The Jews ask for signs, and the Greeks seek wisdom.” Solomon like his predecessors, recognized that “The tongue of the WISE* makes knowledge appealing, but the mouth of a FOOL* belches out foolishness. (Proverbs 15:2) No wonder then, Plutarch, (another Greek historian, biographer & essayist) saw that “Painting is silent poetry, and poetry is painting that speaks” – for God has given men the wonder, beauty & space to enjoy the plaudits of aesthetic knowledge, cosmic science, living faith and “POWERFUL GOOD WORKS”. This is what life should entail. For even Solomon, at the lowest ebb of his life (spiritually) gave his heart over to understand the metaphysics behind “MADNESS & FOLLY” having received from the inspired fountain of wisdom and knowledge but like all who lose their way, end up bastardizing their human experiences upon the altar of pagan idolatry.

Yet “there is nothing new under the sun!” (Ecc. 1:9)

The pretext of all that we are witnessing today echoes back to that bygone age when according to the Biblical text – Eve (the mother of all created human beings) opened up herself to the hissing sophistry of the Serpent (for its words were almost MUSICK to her ears) – then falling prostrate into the subterfuge of that wily deception, she became fodder for the arch-villainous spirit of rebellion; loosed to ravage her mind with thoughts, suggestions and words which contravened the PURE, inimitable Word of The Creator God. And yet somehow, men still believe that they will not be “JUDGED” for their words, thoughts or actions (though vile and wretched they be).

Science believes that the tongue of the (SERPENT) was deliberately split (FORKED) so that through its sensory mechanisms, it would know the direction in which to move, based on its evaluation of the chemical particles on either side of its forked tongue, given the differentiation between the chemical levels on the right as against the left, with both working together to create an evolutionary process of synthesis. This is why the Scriptures are clear that “SATAN” (the wily Serpent) and his ministers can transform themselves as angels of light and ministers of righteousness for the express purpose of deceiving the blind and undiscerning – for The Bible says: “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness…” (2 Cor. 11:13-15)

These are hard words – who can bear them? (John 6:60)

We must be true to who we are. We cannot live as two different versions of ourselves, hoping that nothing bad would come of it. For just recently, Hillary Rodham Clinton’s “PRIVATE” & “PUBLIC” positions were laid bare through WIKILEAKS, pushing her lack of moral debenture to that of the “FORK-TONGUE” Serpent – reinforcing that age-old Adamic EVIL which seems to have even greater resonance now than ever before.

Seneca – (Roman philosopher, statesman, dramatist, & humourist) cited in 41 AD, when he was banished to the island of Corsica, after being accused of adultery by Emperor Claudius, that “Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.” This “ACID” Seneca speaks of, began with the son of Adam called Cain who killed his brother – first with his tongue, then with the animus of his physical might! In the aftermath of his vitriol and then violent murder – he defiantly exclaimed: “AM I MY BROTHER’S KEEPER?” This “MARK OF CAIN” has followed men right down to our time, where in the simple, petulant affairs of life – to quote the words of Heraclitus: “Day by day, what you choose, what you think and what you do is who you become.”

When the Scriptures speak, it oftentimes is speaking to the person and to the “Personage” influencing the person who is speaking! When Christians speak, regardless of whether they are in their own homes with their families or in open secular or religious forums – their words must be seasoned with salt. The Scriptures in Philippians 4:8 reminds us that “Whatever is true, whatever is honourable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things.”

Pastor Chuck Baldwin echoes similar sentiments to those within the hearts of many virtuous Christians who see the changing tide of Christianity becoming more and more sinister and austere – mirroring that wretched time during the “DARK AGES” when Dominican & Jesuit prelates & friars had men burned at the stake for dissent, at the behest of the state apparatus for religious or social abnegation.

Pastor Baldwin’s contextualization is spot on: “Angry, self-willed, rebellious, hate-filled Christians are not only a curse to their pastor and church; they are a curse to liberty itself. They are doing the Devil’s work of subverting the work of God (including the work of liberty) within the church and, therefore, within the community and country. Sitting home and sending out a barrage of hate-filled emails (LET ME INCLUDE TWEETS, FACEBOOK THREADS & ANY VIRTUAL MESSAGE) is doing NOTHING to restore liberty. Hate will NEVER win hearts and minds. And that’s what’s happening: we are losing the war for the hearts and minds. And one of the biggest reasons we are losing this war is because we have supplanted and destroyed the one position that is most necessary to winning the war for the hearts and minds: the courageous and inspired patriot pulpit.” One can also safely include or add the rancour of social mediazation and its virulent effects on the state of social & religious consciousness within internet forums!

Thus in polarized western, so-called Christian democracies (i.e. AmeriKKKa, Europe, Canada, OZ, & NZ), it is almost impossible for Christians to have any meaningful dialogue on any substantive issue, whether political, sociological, scientific , monetary or religious – without tempers flaring, innuendoes being slung about and verbal Molotov cocktails being hurled in disgust over the opinions of another. Yet these are the same FOLKS* who believe they can reach and teach “INFIDELS” the Scriptures by the “LETTER” of the LAW* and not by the “SPIRIT” of It.

What base and deceptive hypocrisy!

Pastor Baldwin believes the reason why modern Christians have become so mean and nasty is due in part to a number of factors – however, he states that: “Without the undergirding principles of Law and Love, there can be no RIGHTEOUS indignation. Hatred and bitterness against evil is meaningless without Love and Affection for Righteousness. And if Christian people are filled with hatred and bitterness against the most fundamental spiritual principles of truth and honor within the church (and tons of them are), how in the name of common sense can we expect the world around us to successfully engage in something as complex as political liberty within a nation? Without the undergirding principles of Law and Love, there can be no approbation of Heaven. And without the approbation of Heaven, there can be no lasting liberty.”

In the virtual world of cyberspace, where most live in the 21st century, every aspect of modern life (BANKING, MEDICAL SERVICES, ACADEMIA & even WAR) is fought at the touch of a button from an armchair of distanciation. Relationships are formed or NOT in this virtual world of intrigue. Even many knowledgeable Christians who possess skill and understanding in The Word of God are somehow socially and morally vacuous when it comes to the finer “VIRTUES” in life when dealing with opponents. The on-going, prevailing mythologization of the “RUM-SHOP” enculturated mindset takes precedence over the transformative work that “MUST” be done by THE HOLY SPIRIT in the heart – subduing the base, carnal, animalistic passions which tend to over-ride even common-sense and reason when dealing with other individuals in the domain of cyberspace – given that we do not even know our so-called opposition from a hole in the wall. As a result, Christians have become like a barrel of crabs – all fighting each other and the rest with incendiary language, barbarous “BARBS” and an effluent of vitriolic jibes intent on creating the maximum amount of carnage in its wake.

What blissful FOLLY!

In a final citation from Pastor Baldwin, I believe hits the nail on the head: “What is missing from the hearts and minds of so many professing patriots (Christians and otherwise) is old-fashioned humility. We refuse to hold ourselves accountable. We refuse to be taught. We know it all. We are never wrong. And if we are, we would never admit it. We refuse to submit to lawful authority. Bull-headed, stubborn, SELF-RIGHTEOUS people who are totally unqualified to fight a freedom fight. They don’t even understand the meaning of the word freedom, much less understand how to wage a righteous, disciplined, and honourable fight to preserve or reclaim it…” The Bible states: “He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?” (Micah 6:8) [Cited from NewsWithViews.com)

In conclusion, we live in a world of myriad views on life. Whether it is God, science, money or politics – you name it! One thing should remain sacrosanct – RESPECT for others, regardless of their views, opinions or held beliefs. All the more so, because we have come down to a time as Richard Jewell says when “Deists say God is beyond Creation and He stays there. Pantheism says God is everywhere in the Creation. Theism says God is both beyond and in Creation. Agnosticism says there is no proof God exists. Atheism says there is proof that God does not exist. Gnosticism says one can have special Knowledge of God. Monotheism says there is One True, Central God. Mysticism says direct experience of God is possible. Polytheism says there are many “gods” (which include man). And spiritualism says there are “spirit beings” that exist everywhere.

Whatever your belief – if it can withstand the “LITMUS” test of solid reasoning, LOGIC and tireless unpacking – then in the “LIGHT OF THE BEREANS”, (come let us reason it out together), will no longer be an exercise in futility – harping back to a time when even Paul on Mars Hill could stand and reason solidly of his faith with the adherents of the schools of Stoic & Epicurean philosophers of his day (some of whom were quoted at the outset of this piece).

‘In the end, the “TRUTH” shall prevail’ – John Wycliffe

MARANATHA…

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106 Comments on “The Hissing Tongue of the Serpent”

  1. The Rev. Larry Buddier November 1, 2016 at 6:03 PM #

    Thanks for that, ac.

    Zoe where did that flood happen — the one that eliminated all human life, apart from the six people who created all humankind? Where was that flood?

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  2. Pachamama November 1, 2016 at 6:39 PM #

    @ The Rev Larry Buddier

    ‘Maybe Zoe can only speak where the Bible speaks

    And is silent where the Bible is silent.’

    Separately, your questions cannot be answered by any sentient being.

    Maybe that is why Christians are arguably the most igrunt people on earth.

    And ‘when we believe in things we don’t understand we suffer’, says the song.

    Let Zoe suffer some more

    Force him to answer these simple questions

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  3. Zoe November 1, 2016 at 6:56 PM #

    Did Noah’s Flood Cover the Whole Earth?
    by John D. Morris, Ph.D.
    Resources › Earth Sciences Resources › Noah’s Ark and Flood

    Here is the issue: All advocates of the old earth insist that “proof” of such ages lies in the rocks and fossils of the earth’s crust. They claim these were laid down by either slow and gradual processes, or by occasional rapid processes of local extent. The fact that many of these rock layers are of continental extent forces them to postulate migrating shorelines, widely meandering rivers, unthinkably large deltas, etc. Furthermore, the rock units in most cases were laid down by catastrophic events, but these events, they say, were rare, occurring every million years or so.

    But if the flood actually happened the way the Bible seems to describe it (i.e., a year-long, mountain-covering, world-restructuring event), it would have laid down many layers of mud full of dead things (i.e., now rocks and fossils) covering immense areas, having been deposited under catastrophic conditions. A proper interpretation of the rocks and fossils speaks of a global, dynamic, watery catastrophe: the Biblical Deluge.

    Only denial of Biblical teaching could lead one to misinterpret the rocks and fossils to support long ages. If the flood happened the way the Bible says it happened, then it laid down the rocks and fossils, and there is no remaining evidence for an old earth, or evolution, for that matter.

    Let me urge you to read carefully Genesis 6-9. If God was really trying to describe a local flood, He certainly could have written much more clearly, for over and over again the wording demands a global flood. In fact, I have counted over 100 times when the wording implies a global flood. Consider these few quotes of the many: “the face of the earth (i.e., planet)” (6:1); “end of all flesh . . .the earth is filled with violence . . .I will destroy them with the earth” (6:13); “destroy all flesh wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven, and everything that is in the earth shall die” (6:17); etc., etc.

    Furthermore, God promised never to send another flood like Noah’s Flood (9:11, 15), but there have been many local floods, even regional floods, since Noah’s Flood. If Noah’s Flood was only a local flood, then God lied to us. Likewise, there was no need for Noah to build an ark for his survival for he had many years’ warning (6:3).

    Perhaps more convincing is the fact that Jesus Christ based His teaching of coming judgment on all mankind on the fact that Noah’s Flood judged all mankind (Matthew 24:36-39, Luke 17:26, 27). A local flood implies a partial judgment. Likewise, Peter based his prophecy that the existing planet: will “melt with fervent heat” (II Peter 3:10) and an entire”new heavens” and a “new earth” will be recreated (3:13) on the historical fact of the global flood of Noah’s day (3:6). All things considered, few doctrines are taught as clearly in Scripture as that of the global flood.

    The Christian need not distort the clear teachings of the Word of God. My testimony as a geologist is this: I know no fact of geology that cannot be interpreted by the Biblical worldview in a way at least as satisfying as (usually better than) the evolutionary, slow-and-gradual worldview.www.icr.org

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  4. ac November 1, 2016 at 7:14 PM #

    Zoe stop trying to be intellectually disingenuous. Geological and scientific facts say different. Even in this present time of technology there is a high perecentage that if an Ark had travelled across any part of this earth there would be geological artifacts to prove such an happening
    The fact being that in the bible where it states that the ark rested on top a mountain no human being would have been able to descend that mountain and remain alive to tell the story.

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  5. Zoe November 1, 2016 at 7:40 PM #

    Zoe November 1, 2016 at 1:42 PM #

    @Pachamama, Your story is the LIE, prove the DNA of Noah’s Flood as submitted here in its entirety is a lie, offer sound DNA counter evidence, I challenge you to counter it with equally sound DNA refutation, in support of your view!

    Come ON Mama, waiting for ya counter DNA evidence, to the Noah’s Flood, wah happen Mama, ya consulting Rah, the Demon God of ya ancestors, or is it Pah!

    Oh Mama, almost forgot, what about some counter evidence, to refute the FOSSIL record, which amazingly, confirms, not only the Genesis account of Creations, but the demise of that Creation by the Global Flood!

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  6. ac November 1, 2016 at 8:06 PM #

    Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology

    Number 10: Where’s the Ark? Surely, the survivors of such an expedition would have remembered the location of the Ark. It’s hard to believe they wouldn’t have built a monument or something — perhaps not as elaborate as one of the Pyramids, or even Stonehenge, but surely they would have done something to mark the resting place of the vessel that preserved them and all life on Earth. But we’re expected to believe that they just walked away and let the thing fade into oblivion.

    Number 9: Why has Noah been forgotten? Except for those cultures that have been exposed to the tale of the Ark as found in the Old Testament, no other people on Earth remember the name of Noah — the father of us all. It is absurd in the greatest degree to think that nations which routinely preserve the names of their great kings, warriors, and heroes, have somehow forgotten about Noah, to the point where they don’t e

    Number 8: Who was Noah’s wife? Somehow, the mother of all mankind remains unnamed in Genesis. Not only that, but the wives of Noah’s sons are also unnamed. Again, this is an absurdity. There are non-scriptural texts that provide names for such people, but they are all in disagreement as to what those names were.

    Number 7: Conditions aboard the Ark were unsurvivable. We have previously estimated that they were at least ten times worse than the accommodations aboard a slave ship. See How Horrible Was Life Aboard Noah’s Ark? For our comparison of Noah’s waste removal problems with the similar task faced by Hercules in cleaning the Augean stables, .

    Number 6. Biogeography is all wrong. If every species of animal on Earth radiated out from the landing site of the Ark, today’s living varieties and their fossilized ancestors should reveal that pattern of dispersal. But as Darwin observed on his round-the-world voyage on the Beagle, the actual distribution of animal life is quite different. .

    Number 5: Where is the evidence of universal population bottlenecks? Except for a few species known to have recently recovered from near extinction, animal life on Earth shows far too much genetic diversity to be descended from only a pair of Ark-borne ancestors a few thousand years ago.

    Number 4: What about the water?All Water On Earth As Sphere Compared To Size Of Earth. Enough water to cover the entire Earth to the height of the tallest mountains would require a much larger sphere of liquid. Where did that extra water come from, and more importantly — where did it go?

    Number 3: What about Egypt? They have a written history that precedes, is co-existent with, and which continues uninterruptedly after the time of the Flood, yet somehow they were unaware of that catastrophic global event. The same is true for the Chinese and other cultures. How did a global Flood somehow ignore them, leaving their societies intact?

    Number 2: The Earth’s geology is all wrong if there were a recent global flood. Nevertheless, we know that it was the development of geology that caused belief in the Flood to be discarded. We once posted briefly about one bit of geological evidence that clearly contradicts the Flood myth.

    And the Number One reason the Flood is mythology is: It didn’t work! We’re told that the purpose of the ghastly planet-killing exercise is that mankind was wicked. That’s the reason everything was cruelly destroyed — except for Noah, his righteous family, and their chosen menagerie. Okay, fine, but there’s one little detail — the whole business was a colossal futility! There is still wickedness in the world, which means the planetary slaughter was not only cruel beyond imagining, it was also stupid. But even a creationist would agree that such behavior is incompatible with the nature of God, so the only rational conclusion is that the Flood is a childish myth.

    https://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/top-ten-reasons-noahs-flood-is-mythology/

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  7. Zoe November 1, 2016 at 9:02 PM #

    Are Fossils the Result of Noah’s Flood?
    by John D. Morris, Ph.D.
    Resources › Earth Sciences Resources › Fossil Record

    Fossils have been frequently cited as the main evidence for evolution. The evolution/uniformitarian worldview postulates that the slow and gradual processes we see operating today are responsible not only for the death and extinction of plant and animal types but their burial in sediments which will eventually harden into sedimentary rocks.

    Uniformity’s slogan, “the present is the key to the past,” reflects their view of the origin of the features in the rock and fossil record. I think the great Flood of Noah’s day is a better explanation.

    First note that very few fossils are forming today and then only in the case of rapid burial by water. For instance what happens to a fish when it dies? It either floats to the surface or sinks to the bottom where it decays and is eaten by scavengers.

    Yet many fish fossils are so exquisitely preserved that even the scales and organs are preserved. Obviously there was no time for decay and bacterial action. We can certainly say that something extraordinary happened to form the fossils.

    Furthermore, most fossils occur in huge fossil graveyards where things from different habitats are mixed together in a watery grave. The predominant type of fossil is that of marine invertebrates but these are found on the continents within catastrophically deposited rock units.

    Of the several different kinds of fossils, each one requires rapid burial and circumstances which are seldom, if ever, at work today. Processes of fossilization include:

    Mineralization: This happens by partial or entire replacement of an organism by minerals, usually one molecule at a time as the organism decays. Time is involved but not time before burial. Petrification occurs when the replacing mineral is silica.

    Carbonization: Living things consist of high carbon content, and under extraordinary circumstances only the carbon remains. This includes the thick coal bands as well as thin carbon residues left in the host rock. Rapid isolation and heating are required.

    Impressions: These common fossils occur when the entire organism is replaced by the same material as the host rock leaving only the form of an organism. The detail preserved indicates no time for decay.

    Ephemeral markings: These common markings include worm burrows, animal tracks, coprolites, and rain-drop impressions. All are extremely fragile and need rapid lithification to be preserved.

    Hard parts: Bones and shells are found but these are usually broken. For instance, limbs ripped from dinosaurs, found in fossil graveyards, are the rule.

    Soft parts: Obviously these will only last for a very short time without rapid burial. These include flesh, feathers, skin, scales, plant tissue, color, and even smell.

    Frozen parts: These imply extremely low temperatures which trapped and froze the organisms quickly. Certainly this is not happening now on any scale.

    These fossil types (and other subcategories could be mentioned) require extraordinary circumstances of a rapid and catastrophic nature. The great Flood of Noah’s day which destroyed a world full of life is the best explanation.www.icr.org

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  8. Pachamama November 1, 2016 at 9:07 PM #

    @ Zoe

    You are not our opposite number.

    Why do you not be taught by Bushie

    At least, though at times wrong, when he reflects on these matters he makes complete sense that one can follow.

    Whereas you are incapable of making contact with the simplest notions of common sense.

    If you really think the genesis account could to historically accurate. Or that the origins of mankind could be located 6000 years ago you are well worthy of the ‘shaking off’ which Pachamama will soon impose on us all.

    But we did enjoy the levity imbued @1:42.

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  9. Zoe November 1, 2016 at 9:18 PM #

    Why Don’t We Find More Human Fossils?
    by John D. Morris, Ph.D.
    Evidence for Creation › Evidence from Science › Evidence from the Earth Sciences › Fossils Reflect Life’s Original Diversity › Fossils Show Stasis and No Transitional Forms

    The fossil record abounds with the remains of past life. If the creationist interpretation of the fossil record is basically correct, most of the fossils were deposited during the Flood of Noah’s day, as “the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished” (II Peter 3:6). These organisms were trapped and buried in ocean-bottom mud, which later hardened into sedimentary rock, fossilizing the organic remains.

    But where are the pre-flood human remains? According to Scripture, the patriarchs lived long ages, and had large families and many years of childbearing potential. Where are their fossils?

    First, we must rightly consider the nature of the fossil record. Over ninety-five percent of all fossils are marine creatures, such as clams, corals, and trilobites—mostly invertebrates with a hard outer surface. Of the remaining five percent, most are plants. Much less than one percent of all fossils are land animals. This encompasses reptiles (including dinosaurs)— amphibians, mammals, birds, and humans.

    Land creatures have what we call a “low-fossilization potential.” As land animals die in water, they bloat, float, and come apart. It is very difficult to trap a bloated animal under water, in order for it to be buried. Furthermore, scavengers readily devour both flesh and bone. Seawater and bacterial action destroy everything. The scouring ability of underwater mudflows, common during the Flood, would grind bone to powder.

    Conversely, what land fossils are found were mostly laid down during the Ice Age— a land-oriented event following the Flood, which had the ability to bury animals in land-derived deposits. (And, by the way, there are human fossils in those sediments.)

    But the purpose of Noah’s Flood was to destroy the land communities—not preserve them—especially humans. Some creationists even postulate the pre-Flood continents were subducted down into the mantle, totally annihilating all remnants of the civilizations. In any scenario, what land fossils were preserved would be buried late in the Flood, near the surface, and would have been subject to erosion and destruction once again as the Floodwaters rushed off the rising continents.

    Furthermore, we mustn’t over-estimate the pre-Flood population, by considering the patriarchal lives and families as typical, for “the earth (was) filled with violence” (Genesis 6:13). Bloodshed would no doubt have terminated many family lines in both humans and animals.

    For purposes of discussion, let us assume 300,000,000 people died in the Flood, and that each one was preserved as a fossil evenly distributed in the sedimentary record, which consists of about 300,000,000 cubic miles. The chances of such a fossil intersecting the earth’s surface, being found by someone, and then being properly and honestly identified is vanishingly small.

    On the other hand, if evolution is true, and humans have lived on Earth for three million years, many trillions have lived and died. Where are their fossils? This is the more vexing question.www.icr.org

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  10. millertheanunnaki November 1, 2016 at 9:29 PM #

    @ The Rev. Larry Buddier November 1, 2016 at 6:03 PM #
    “Zoe where did that flood happen — the one that eliminated all human life, apart from the six people who created all humankind? Where was that flood?”

    Don’t expect an answer from Zoe; only attacks on your right not to swallow the piffle he quotes.
    Up to this very day the same Zoe is unable to state whether or not two polar bears along with two kangaroos were in the same Ark as the black mamba or Komodo dragon monitor.
    Zoe likes to use pseudo science when it suits him but refuses to accept that the same DNA evidence he is referring to also confirms that humans share approx. 98% genetic similarity to apes both of whom were in the same Garden of Eden somewhere in Göbekli Tepe.
    Don’t be surprised if Zoe were to proffer “scientific” evidence that white people are descended from Adam & Eve via Noah and his incestuous lineage but blacks are the brothers and sisters of apes.

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  11. Vincent Haynes November 1, 2016 at 9:32 PM #

    Zoe

    When will you understand that all the degrees in the world does not make you knowledgeable or able to know the un-knowable?…….it is so ordained in your language.

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  12. ac November 1, 2016 at 9:51 PM #

    The flood as stated in the bible destroyed the whole world but how fair was it that those people living in other parts of the world who never heard of Noah preaching of doom and gloom and preparedness would have never had a ghost of a chance for revival
    The story is so far fetched and out of reach of logical thinking that it can only be believed if one has immeasurable faith.

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  13. Alvin Cummins November 1, 2016 at 9:52 PM #

    Zoe,
    Who wrote the biblical writings you and your ilk, refer to?. Where and on what materials were used? What was the original language that’s used? We know that the AZTECS, The INCAS, and who were inhabitants of this sphere of the earth, lived thousands of years before we populated this area. Who is to say that your Judeo/Christian God is the correct God. It is only your presumption that makes this postulate. Showing the idiocy of your concepts. They were only wiped out because of the atrocities committed against them by the so called Christians who crossed the sea to “convert” them, but evidence shows that their worship was a purer form of worship than the Christians because they revered all forms of life.
    Who did the interpretations from what language (in the Bible) to what languages? who did the editing, if there was any? Assuming; as is often said by you creationists and others of the Judeo/Christian persuasion, that the first five books were written by Moses; while others maintain that he wrote 7 books, why are the other two(the sixth and seventh books of Moses) not made available? What are their contents? Have you any conception; like your conception of creation, of the end of this world? All you have to go on is your belief and your faith, however misplaced it may be. You still have not answered my earlier question, What is the ultimate objective of the so called creation? Is your God only one who creates so as to be worshiped?forever and ever? With what other purpose?
    Does not compute? The question; Why can be asked into eternity without a logical answer.

    Bushy, All o we is one! Dudley Brooker,Maths: “Things that are equal to one another, are equaL.” UP AND ON! Hear the guys had a fantastic week and reunion.

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  14. Zoe November 2, 2016 at 10:19 AM #

    To Cummins, Mama, Nnaki/Monkey et al of the same ilk of ignorance of TRUTH.

    Truth, by definition is absolute.

    Truth is the ultimate certitude, regardless of who ever denies this reality; Truth does NOT need anyone’s approval or acceptance, to be truth. Reality is synonymous with Truth; and Truth is unyielding, one can choose to ignore it, scorn it, or even curse it, but all to no avail; in the end Truth impassively stands its ground in the face of the most overpowering emotional, verbal and intellectual onslaughts.

    Moreover, absolute Truth, conforms to the three fundamental Laws of Logic, which are themselves absolute truth.

    The Historic Judeo/Christian Worldview, as well as its rivals, essentially contain claims about reality, which are either True or False. Competing ‘truth claims’ especially those at the core of competing Worldviews, often have different consequences for life.

    Laws of Logic.

    The following three fundamental laws of logic, as mentioned earlier, are themselves, absolute truths, and are universal, regardless of culture, race, creed or ethnicity, and apply to ALL men ALL the time.

    1) The Law of Identity
    2) The Law of Non-Contradiction
    3) The Law of Excluded Middle.

    Assessing ‘Worldviews’ bears out the utterly fundamental grounding of logic for thinking critically, objectively, coherently, about Truth and Worldviews. These logical laws point us toward truth.

    Reason is Necessary for Revelation to be Coherent.

    Without these ‘laws of logic’ NO rational thought would be possible. To reject these basic laws of logic, one would have to utilize these very laws to reject them, thereby refuting one’s own argument. As G. K. Chesterton writes:

    “The man who begins to think without proper first principles goes mad; he begins to think at the wrong end.”

    Anyone who disparages or belittles logic must use logic in his attack, thus undercutting his own argument.

    Basis Laws of Reason, which by the way PACHAMAMA, are ALL the CORE principles of COMMON SENSE, which escapes you ENTIRELY!

    The Law of Identity

    The law of identity is basic and foundational for the other basis laws of logic. L1 asserts that a particular entity or object IS precisely THAT particular object. For example, ‘The Red pen is the red pen, it is not the Blue pen.

    The law of identity implies that if you can find something TRUE of ‘X’ that is NOT true of ‘Y’ then X and Y are not identical.

    The Law of Non-Contradiction

    That is, A cannot be -A in the same respect or same time. In other words, two competing Truth Claims, CANNOT be both right, in the same respect or the same time. They can both be wrong, BUT they cannot both be right.

    The Law of Excluded Middle.

    That a statement is true, is one that corresponds to reality. If statement ‘X’ is true, corresponding to reality, then this implies not -X is FALSE. In other words, if something is TRUE, this must exclude something, namely FALSITY. We are left with two exhaustive options – TRUTH or FALSITY. The LEM entails no third was is possible. For example, Almighty God either exist or He does not exist. There is no other alternative.

    The Historic Judeo/Christian Worldview

    This Worldview essentially contains claims about reality, which are either True of False.

    Therefore, any Worldview, must be subjected to, and must sustain (3) test in order to be considered valid.

    1) Logical Consistency
    2) Empirical Adequacy
    3) Experiential Relevancy

    The only religious Worldview, across comparative difficulties, premised on warranted credible facts and evidence, that meet and sustain all three of these test, is the Historic Judeo/Christian Worldview.

    Secondly, and intricately connected to the above criteria for validity, every system must also demonstrate and deal with the following questions:

    1) Origin
    2) Meaning
    3) Morality
    4) Destiny

    Again, the theistic Judeo/Christian Worldview is* the ONLY one that convincingly demonstrate and sustain to, the above questions, unparalleled with any other religious Worldview.

    Facts become credible facts, when they are warranted to the relevant degree of certainty.

    The structure of justification/warrant, in defending any propositional Truth Claim, is coherence. Coherence is our sole criteria for TRUTH.

    Coherence is found throughout God’s Word, the Bible from beginning, Genesis, to the end, the book of Revelation.

    ‘To say of what IS* that it IS*, or of what is NOT* that it is NOT* is TRUE.” (Aristotle, Metaphysics 1077b 26)

    Let the scoffers and LIARS continue in their ignorance of TRUTH, which an never be refuted with LIES and IGNORANCE!

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  15. Dompey November 2, 2016 at 10:22 AM #

    Zoe, the fissol record does in fact provide us with an abundance of information regarding life on earth, but by what measuring stick do with ascertain any information regarding our planets?

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  16. Piece Uh De Rock Yeah Right - INRI November 2, 2016 at 11:01 AM #

    Whuloss de donkey brayeth!!

    Steupseee

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  17. Vincent Haynes November 2, 2016 at 11:44 AM #

    Zoe

    Pack it in……..absolutes do not exist……even death we do not know what it entails.

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  18. The Rev. Larry Buddier November 2, 2016 at 12:07 PM #

    Thanks for that, Zoe.

    So, if the flood covered the whole planet and there were only six human survivors world-wide, and those six people are the originators of all humans living today, can you tell us which of the adults on the ark was black, which was white, which was Asian, which was Aborigine, which was Olmec, and which was Inuit?

    Thanks for the help.

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  19. The Rev. Larry Buddier November 2, 2016 at 12:52 PM #

    Sorry to push you on this one, Zoe, but I’m sure you grasp why it’s important (given that only six people spawned all living humans).

    First, lions, for example, are wholly carnivorous. What did they eat during their time on the ark? Did Noah have a store of dead antelope, in addition to the two live antelope? Or did he somehow make the lions vegan for the duration?

    Second, how did a crew of six deal with the indescribably huge volumes of manure produced by such a large number of animals every single day? Were they carrying it up from the lower decks and shovelling it over the side?

    Thanks for your help on this.

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  20. Piece Uh De Rock Yeah Right - INRI November 2, 2016 at 1:17 PM #

    One day when the Garden of Eden and The Flood are understood we will all laugh at these puerile explanations which, given the length and breadth and depth or our ken, allow our dimwitted selves to be content with slithering serpents and floods and Arks built of wood and the consciousness that the dove (ba) symbolizes but until then let us all be happy with hissing serpents and these simplistic interpretations augments by tomes written by even more simplistic writers, Selah….

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  21. Bush Tea November 2, 2016 at 3:22 PM #

    Well said Piece.
    Shiite man…. Jesus HIMSELF said that he went to pains to ensure that the brass bowls, who were following him about, COULD NOT understand what he was talking about – because THEY DID NOT HAVE THE NEEDED SENSES (capability) to grasp such things any damn how…
    …. and yet we have modern brass bowls – equally lacking in ‘eyes to see’ or ‘ears to hear’ (in other words, LACKING the sixth and other additional senses needed to assimilate spiritual matters, …arguing about words and concepts THAT WERE MEANT FOR THEM NOT TO UNDERSTAND.

    It is almost funny….

    Vincent takes the cake however….. Vincey must have irish, blonde genes….
    He says “absolutes do not exist……even death we do not know what it entails” or put another way, if we are unable to ‘know what it entails, then it cannot be an absolute’

    So Vincey boy….
    …for a blind man, colours cannot possible exist.
    …for a deaf man, there is no such an absolute as ‘melody’
    …and for the spiritually blind, there can be no God.
    Is that what you are saying?

    Bushie suggests that you look closely ..and you will see that “the fault, dear Brutus, is not in the stars…. it lies with thee.

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  22. The Rev. Larry Buddier November 2, 2016 at 3:34 PM #

    Interesting thread, this. Recently I was listening to a recording of a Brass Tacks call-in with famed Bajan cleric the Rev. Buddy Larrimer, who had zero interesting or useful things to say about the flood, even when he was asked directly. Oddly, one caller said she’d been told that biblical Adam was white because of “the pictures in the Bible”.

    Does anyone know which particular church conferred the priesthood on Rev. Bud, and the requirements to be a clerical adept in that church?

    Many thanks,
    Rev. Larry Buddier

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  23. The Rev. Larry Buddier November 2, 2016 at 3:37 PM #

    Erratum: Larrier

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  24. 555dubstreet November 2, 2016 at 3:51 PM #

    Brother Noah
    40 days and 40 nights means a very long time

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  25. millertheanunnaki November 2, 2016 at 5:53 PM #

    @ The Rev. Larry Buddier November 2, 2016 at 12:07 PM
    So, if the flood covered the whole planet and there were only six human survivors world-wide, and those six people are the originators of all humans living today, can you tell us which of the adults on the ark was black, which was white, which was Asian, which was Aborigine, which was Olmec, and which was Inuit?”

    Rev. Buddy, you will not get an intellectually honest response to your question(s) on the causes of racial diversity.

    It comes up against the same brick wall as to whom was Cain married and had children to carry on the genetically defective murder-inclined human race. Well, according to the story, Cain had to have had sex with either his unmentioned baby sister or his old mother Eve, the illicit lover of the wily elongated serpent.

    But why are you omitting the other two characters in the story of the Flood?
    What about Noah and his nameless wife (call her Naamah the incestuously beautiful descendant of Cain for storytelling purposes).

    That should give you a clue as to the origins of the black race. While that pisspot Noah was getting plastered day after day from the many bottles of wine he had previously stored on his Ark, Naamah was having a wicked Oedipus affair with her son Ham. That race since then has been cursed by Yahweh.

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  26. The Rev. Larry Buddier November 2, 2016 at 5:56 PM #

    Anyone any clearer on why the Reverend Buddy Larrier is in fact a reverend? He’s wearing the Anglican collar in many photos. Which church gave the title “reverend” to Rev. Buddy? Anyone know? Anyone?

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  27. The Rev. Larry Buddier November 2, 2016 at 6:46 PM #

    Important, this. Does anyone have even the slightest clue as to why Rev. Buddy Larrier is reverent? Which church conferred the priesthood on Rev. Bud? And why the Anglican collar in the photos?

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  28. Vincent Haynes November 2, 2016 at 7:42 PM #

    Bush Tea November 2, 2016 at 3:22 PM #

    Vincey must have irish, blonde genes….

    So Vincey boy….
    …for a blind man, colours cannot possible exist.
    …for a deaf man, there is no such an absolute as ‘melody’
    …and for the spiritually blind, there can be no God.
    Is that what you are saying?
    ………………………………………………………………………………..

    Chuckle….all correct on the above….county Cork one side and west Africa the other…..you are getting close,do not be suprised when shortly the eureka moment arrives,always thought you had sense though a bit misguided at times but you will get there.

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  29. Vincent Haynes November 3, 2016 at 8:06 AM #

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  30. Bernard Codrington. November 3, 2016 at 9:34 AM #

    @ Bush Tea

    You have been shouting Eureka for some time now. It seems as though we have a lot of deaf people about here. Including me.
    Soldier on.

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  31. Larry T. Buddier November 3, 2016 at 2:22 PM #

    @ miller

    Good question re. omission of two characters. See, Noah was about 600 years old at the time of the flood. I’m going to assume his missus was roughly the same age. They must have been members of LARP, the Levantine Association of Retired Persons. I’m nowhere near to 600 years old, but I’d be stressed having to cart such a monumental amount of shite every day from the lower decks to shovel it over the side.

    So I left them out of my considerations, what with them being real, real elders and everything.

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