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Turning Water into Wine – The Anti – Embarrassment Miracle

Submitted by Heather Cole

Submitted by Heather Cole

Two thousand years ago the greatest revolutionary that ever lived walked on the earth. His name was Jesus Christ. He lived in a religious community of Jews where traditions of the law were manifest in every aspect of everyday life. At the start of his revolution, the people of Palestine must have thought he was mad because he did not preach the laws of the Moses. To the dismay of the Pharisees and Sadducees, he began to preach a strange doctrine that ‘the Kingdom of God was at hand’ and that he was ‘the way, the truth and the life.’

It was after his first miracle of turning water into wine that multitudes of people began to follow him. Jesus, his mother Mary and some of his disciples attended a wedding in Cana of Galilee. The most embarrassing situation occurred as there was not enough wine for everyone. One can imagine the embarrassment of the bride, the groom, their parents and the host of the wedding as well as imagine that whenever people saw the newly-weds together in the future, that this would be the first thing that would come to mind. Mary intervened on behalf of the wedding host and told Jesus about the problem. Jesus then miraculously changed six barrels of water into wine.

It was to prevent embarrassment that Jesus changed water into wine. Throughout his ministry not only did he do good deeds; he provided the needs of the people. He was just the start of the revolution and it took 3 years for his physical part in the revolution to be accomplished. The revolution did not die when he was crucified. Like a phoenix from the ashes of his death, it arose with his resurrection and grew and 2000 years later, the church that was built on the foundation of the Christ is still growing and providing the needs of the people.

What does this have to do with Barbados? It appears that the revolution that was started by Christ has come to a grinding halt in Barbados. The church has been silent throughout the last 8 years of social, economic and political disaster in Barbados. Isn’t it the role of the church to carry on Christ’s the revolution where he responded to the needs of the people? One wonders if the church still considers itself part of Christ’s revolution or if it is solely concerned with some of the traditions of men.

The most embarrassing situation to have occurred in Barbados in the 21st Century is on display in the parish of St. Joseph where people cannot get a drop of water from their taps. There was no hurricane, no tornado, no eruption of a volcano or a tidal wave to herald this onslaught. Yet for months the people of St. Joseph cannot get water to bathe, to brush their teeth, to cook, to wash their clothes; things that people in the other parishes are taking for granted. It is the height of human misery and the church has been silent. It has not said a word or brought water to quench thirst so one can hardly expect to see water being turned to wine.

We all know how valuable water is for life and the quality of life. Perhaps the church in Barbados does not understand what Jesus meant when he told the woman who he met at the well in Samaria that he was the ‘water of life.’

“Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” – John 4:13-14 (NIV translation). How can the Church profess to have the water of life yet remain silent when physical water is lacking to fulfil the basic needs in the lives of the people?

The people in St Joseph are not in need of wine, only water. The length and breadth of Barbados including the Church should be embarrassed that this situation is occurring in 2016 and press the government not for a temporary solution but a solution that is sustainable. 2000 years ago in Palestine, Jesus gave his life for a cause of supplying the physical and spiritual needs of mankind. To the church in Barbados, what will it take for you to take up this cross which now has a cause of providing water for the people of St Joseph? One is not asking the Church to give up the lives of any of its members but only to help provide water and raise its voice to preserve life and the quality of life to all residents of St. Joseph.

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145 Comments on “Turning Water into Wine – The Anti – Embarrassment Miracle”

  1. Bush Tea September 28, 2016 at 4:33 PM #

    It was Quakers who owned slaves that ran Barbados from the 1650’s on and it is generally agreed that Quakers treated their slaves well.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Are there some rapists who treat their victims well too John…?
    …or does that kind of thinking only apply to blacks…?
    Some shiite is seriously wrong with your head.

    BTW
    If Quakers owned slaves in Barbados from the 1650’s as you say, then the ‘Barbados Slave Code’ would be referencing their stewardship …would it not?

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  2. John September 28, 2016 at 6:27 PM #

    Facts are facts!!

    Slavery was an institution the Quakers came and found … fact.

    It was perfectly legal … and moral ….. to own slaves at the time of the code in 1661 … fact.

    It was the Quakers who changed all that ….. it took time …. till 1834 … but a short time compared with the millennia for which slavery was an institution … fact,

    You probably think the way you think about the abhorrence of slavery because your ancestors were shown another way … by the Quakers.

    Same with me and most people.

    In 1671 George Fox visited Barbados …. his comments are worth repeating.

    ‘… now I say, if this should be the condition of you and yours, you would think it hard measure, yea, and very great Bondage and Cruelty. And therefore consider seriously of this, and do you for and to them, as you would willingly have them or any other to do unto you…were you in the like slavish condition.’

    http://abolition.e2bn.org/people_21.html

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  3. Georgie Porgie September 28, 2016 at 6:39 PM #

    JOHN
    BOTH YOU AND BUSH TEA CANT BE RIGHT

    BUSH TEA ALWAYS RIGHT———OR SO HE THINKS
    SO THEN YOU MUST BE WRONG
    ALTHOUGH I DONT THINK SO

    IT IS HEART WARMING TO READ YOUR RESEARCH AND POST

    CARRY ON SMARTLY

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  4. Bush Tea September 28, 2016 at 6:49 PM #

    John
    Bribery is an institution that our politicians came and found too… it MUST be perfectly legal – none ever get prosecuted …. and moral – no church comes out against it – not even your Quaker remnants…

    So what do we do…?
    Give them a break?
    ..Wait for a 21st century Fox to come and tell them to ‘do unto others as they would like done unto them’…?
    Give them a few decades to stop it…?

    Be serious man!! SHIITE IS SHIITE.
    How can you seek to rationalise a set of so-called christians treating fellow humans as animals /chattel…AT ANY TIME IN HISTORY… then formalising it in ‘Law’ …and then you come on BU and talk shiite about ‘legal’ and ‘moral’…?

    When you say things like this, you let yourself down and confuse poor Vincent…
    …. not to mention piss Bushie off…🙂

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  5. Bush Tea September 28, 2016 at 6:54 PM #

    @ GP
    You just cuss the bushman real smart @ 6.39PM.
    In summary, you call Bushie a JA ….using complex grammatical constructs and inverted logic.

    If you want to jump in on John’s side of the debate feel free – just know that Vincent is in there on that side – so you are starting out as a loser…
    …and you already know that Bushie takes no prisoners ….
    ha ha ha

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  6. Vincent Haynes September 28, 2016 at 7:20 PM #

    Bush Tea September 28, 2016 at 6:54 PM #

    Chuckle……yuh getting desperate now.

    I always know when you know you have lost an argument…..not to further rub salt in your wounds suffice it to say facts are facts and the past cannot be changed…..accept it.

    What I have been trying to show you is that we can attempt to influence the present and the future instead of wasting time on fighting the battles of our ancestors…….the future is what has to be fought for and defended.

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  7. John September 28, 2016 at 7:22 PM #

    George Fox started his ministry in 1648.

    Quaker control of Barbados is beginning to take root by the mid 1650’s.

    By 1657 he is beginning to put his thinking on the institution into writing.

    Fox writes to Friends who own negro and indian slaves beyond the seas on their tratment.

    In 1661, the Barbados Slave Code is enacted legalizing the institution in Barbados.

    If you look at early wills you will see some Quakers freed their slaves.

    The will of Hanna Adcock written 27th August 1657 gives freedom to her negro servant, Sarah.

    William Pickering in his will 10 years later gives freedom to his negro man Tom.

    In 1695, Tobias Clutterbuck gave freedom and land in St. Lucy to his negro woman, Sarah, and her children, Phylis, Penelope and Bishnell. The land looks like it was close to Maddox.

    In 1699, John Mayre of St. Philip gives freedom to his black boy, John Mayre and his education is to be seen to by “my wife Elizabeth”. At Elizabeth’s death “my plantation” is to go to my black boy John Mayre and if he is dead, to his mother Moll, her mother Gitte and her son Cudjo with their freedom.

    … and in 1721, the owner of who I believe was one of my ancestors freed him.

    Most plantations were a matter of a few acres and their owners owned a few slaves.

    This looks like a good read.

    “The Power that Giveth Liberty and Freedom”: The Barbadian Origins of Quaker Anti slavery Rhetoric, 1657–76

    ariel.ucalgary.ca/ariel/index.php/ariel/article/download/25/22

    Go do some reading!!!!!

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  8. Pachamama September 28, 2016 at 7:24 PM #

    Where is the independent evidence, outside of the fiction that is the Bible, which shows anybody called Jesus Christ ever existed on this planet?

    It for the people who believe this lie to support their contention, not with that specious commodity called ‘faith’, but evidence.

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  9. John September 30, 2016 at 9:52 AM #

    In summary, the Quaker experience created a land where we all worked together, a land of milk and honey, where we sucked sugar cane at will ….

    …. an ordered land, a land of peace described as a garden in the March issue of National Geographic of 1951.

    More on the garden concept later!!

    Fifty years of independence have created a land of chaos and jungle where every year we routinely suck salt from our water wells and we live in constant awareness of crime and violence all around us.

    We have “progressed” from the functional to the dysfunctional!!

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  10. Zoe September 30, 2016 at 9:57 AM #

    Hopi September 27, 2016 at 3:30 PM #
    Wow! talk about a Preamble to a Ramble just to solve a SIMPLE water problem.

    @Zoeeeee. I read of heart problem, but you stay strong my dear and this song is for your heart. Take good care of it darling don’t put any stress on that heart.

    Thanks Hopi, that beautiful song by Cece, is right on, for Jesus had His hand in allowing my massive Heart Attack on April 18th, for out of it has COME wonderful blessings to my life, that only HIM could bring about!

    Yes, DEATH and LIFE came face to face, while I was in the midst of this severe HA, and DEATH, through Satan was trying yet again to take me away from my God given purpose here on earth!

    But, NO! NO! NO!, for He who declared “I AM THE RESURRECTION and THE LIFE…” (John 11:25a) would NOT allow me to die; I thank God for emergency medicine, and every one at Accident & Emergency whom He used in the initial process of saving my life physically.

    But, I’ve learnt that mainstream Medicine, Cardiology in particular, are NOT interested in any cure for Human Cardiovascular Disease, so they can keep my on (5) different medication for the REST of my life! No WAY, NO WAY!

    BIG Pharma IS BIG business, especially Statin Drugs, raking in over 30 BILLION $$$ yearly in sales, they treat the RESULT of Heart Attacks, NOT the cause of HA, keep people sick IS BIG BUSINESS!

    Well, I found out what causes Atherosclerosis in the first place, and what is the cure for it, and the nice female Cardiologist at QEH, don’t want to hear one WORD of it, she got vex with me, too bad, I came off the Statin drug I was on two months ago, and I’ve cut the three Blood Pressure Meds I am on in HALF, and I am DOING WELL, I am a new man, my heart is working better than every before, and it is ALL through 100% natural Organic things, thanks to the late Professor Linus Pauling, the father of modern day Bio/chemistry, who along with German doctor Matthias Rath, discovered what the primary causes of Cardiovascular Disease are, its primary Cause is Ascorbic Deficiency Leading to the deposition of Lipoprotein (a) and Fibrinogen/Fibrin in the Vascular Wall.

    Off course BIG PHARMA cannot patent natural nutrients, I.e., ascorbic acid, L-Lysine and L-Proline, so they HATE Linus Pauling, and would NOT publish his paper with Dr. Rath in 1991.

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  11. Zoe September 30, 2016 at 11:04 AM #

    Has anyone, recently, done any island-wide survey to see how much LAND, houses, real-estate, is owned by Black people? When I drive around the Island in many different areas, I notice, and gladly so, that much development, in housing, and these are not average low income properties either, are developed by Blacks! This is most certainly a good thing!

    The same is true with vehicles, the majority of which are owned and driven by Blacks!

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  12. Zoe September 30, 2016 at 11:30 AM #

    Pachamama September 28, 2016 at 7:24 PM #
    Where is the independent evidence, outside of the fiction that is the Bible, which shows anybody called Jesus Christ ever existed on this planet?

    It for the people who believe this lie to support their contention, not with that specious commodity called ‘faith’, but evidence.

    Pacha, there IS no other historical personage, that has as much solid PROOF to their existence, like JESUS does! This is FACT, historical EVIDENCE, both internal and external evidence.

    I have posted TONES of such evidence over the years here on BU, the scholarly criteria, examining ALL historical facts and evidence, for ANYONE of antiquity, must be used, and such facts and evidence concerning the historical person of JESUS CHRIST, are literally in a class by itself, NO other personage of antiquity, even comes close to the evidence that supports the LIFE, DEATH, and RESURRECTION of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Of course Pacha, those of your ilk, when they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the evidence cannot be accepted, it creates a feeling that IS extremely uncomfortable, it is called COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. And because it is so important to protect that core belief, they (you) will rationalize, ignore, and even deny anything that doesn’t fit in with your core belief.

    Pacha, you can scoff and laugh at the evidence, even deny it, BUT, you CANNOT refute it with any sound honest evidence to the contrary!

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  13. Vincent Haynes September 30, 2016 at 1:58 PM #

    Last night’s episode of Black-ish featured a welcome discussion about atheism in the black community. When daughter Zoey announces that she may not believe in God, her father Dre has no clue how to deal with it. He thinks he’s a bad father. Zoey’s
    grandmother tries to save her soul.

    https://www.facebook.com/friendlyatheist/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED&fref=nf
    In a medium where we don’t normally see positive, nuanced discussions of atheism, this show did an excellent job handling the issue.
    Last Night’s Black-ish Focused on Atheism (and the Pushback Against It) in the Black Community
    The writers handled the topic cleverly and with nuance.
    http://www.patheos.com|By Friendly Atheist

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  14. Colonel Buggy September 30, 2016 at 2:15 PM #

    Zoe September 30, 2016 at 11:04 AM #
    Has anyone, recently, done any island-wide survey to see how much LAND, houses, real-estate, is owned by Black people? When I drive around the Island in many different areas, I notice, and gladly so, that much development, in housing, and these are not average low income properties either, are developed by Blacks! This is most certainly a good thing!

    The same is true with vehicles, the majority of which are owned and driven by Blacks!
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
    This may appear to be a good thing,but when the s*** hit the fan with some of this black big house and big ride owners, the real owners in the Bridgetown banks and other lending institutions move in swiftly and repossess.

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  15. bajans September 30, 2016 at 2:44 PM #

    Why does anyone engage that deluded, brainwashed, mad man Zoe?

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  16. Colonel Buggy September 30, 2016 at 3:13 PM #

    We are being fed with the notion that Barbados is a water scarce country, which at present is experiencing a severe drought. Somethings just do not add up.
    In the above photo we see a Poison tree, which fell during the passage of tropical storm ,Matthew, a few days ago. Years ago a poison tree was classified as Bush, a big weed,easily hewed or hoed down. A great big tree like the one above in BWA’s pipe water deprived,St Bernard’s village in the heart of St Joseph, must have been fed a hearty and constant supply of water to become so obese.
    Are these not the same Water-Agriculture people who took the advice of some so-called experts , from over and away, to plant a special breed of Wild River Tamarind, as our local variety does not reach the preferred size?

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  17. John September 30, 2016 at 3:25 PM #

    Colonel, we have exchanged one form of slavery for another ……. one slave owner for another.

    But life goes on and it has always been and will always be worth living, if only just to see what will happen!!

    I am sure modern day slaves will not complain of their modern day enslavement!!

    No doubt one will say, ah, yes, we are mortgage slaves but we can hop a plane to Miami any time we feel like!!

    Those old time slaves were stuck on a plantation where they could only drink milk, eat honey and suck cane!!

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  18. John September 30, 2016 at 3:41 PM #

    I don’t have a clue what a Poison tree looks like.

    Someone showed me a picture of a leaf from one and it seemed to have a small prickle in it.

    Difficult to believe one could be that size when the leaves I believe are what did me in Castle Grant Gully.

    Maybe they fell on the vines I had to push through.

    One thing is sure if that is really a Poison Tree, they must really like water bad to be living in St. Joseph which has so much rain.

    That tree just looks to big for what I would imagine to be a Poison Tree, but I really don’t know.

    Probably access to all that abundant St. Joseph water.

    If it is a Poison Tree I don’t think it will be moved in any hurry!!

    Cow Itch is so called because it would run a COW and Poison Tree is much times worse!!

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  19. Colonel Buggy September 30, 2016 at 9:57 PM #

    St Bernard’s chalky soil structure helps in absorbing water,and does not give tall trees a good footing. Coconut trees will easily tumble during a storm.

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  20. John October 1, 2016 at 8:32 AM #

    Colonel, where is Cooper Bottom?

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  21. Colonel Buggy October 1, 2016 at 2:04 PM #

    At the base of Airy Hill , where the gully leads to Bushy Park plantation. The name was adopted from the expatriate priests who served at St Annes. Prior to that it was Mannings Bottom. This practice stopped when Rev Gatherer came to St Anne’s,around 1953. Cooper was a Scotsman.

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  22. John October 2, 2016 at 8:27 AM #

    Thx

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  23. John October 2, 2016 at 9:25 AM #

    “And, first, in regard to the impulse invariably given to the extension of the Church system by the appointment of a Bishop, it may be affirmed, without fear of contradiction, that the results of Bishop Coleridge’s exertions far exceeded the most sanguine expectations. Every portion of his scattered Diocese (consisting of thirteen islands and British Guiana) enjoyed; in turn, the benefits of his personal superintendence; for he was usually out on his Visitation-tours during three months of every year. The entire result of his labours cannot be understood without the help of voluminous statistics, but it may be sufficient here to insert an extract from the Address of the Clergy of Barbados on his retirement, which certifies, that in that island alone, since the Bishop’s arrival, the number of Clergy had increased from 15 to 31; the places of worship from 14 to 35; the sittings in Church from 5,000 to 22,500; the schools from [5/6] 8 to 83, and the children receiving their education in those schools from 500 to 7,000”

    ………………………..

    There were two churches existing in Barbados at the time of emancipation, the Anglican Church and the dominant Quaker “church”

    The Anglican Church received its first bishop in 1824 and at the time had 14 places of worship, 11 parish churches, All Saints and two others which I do not know.

    Only three parish churches withstood the 1831 hurricane showing I believe, that the other 8 were of flimsy construction, in keeping with my thinking that the Anglican Church was secondary to the Quaker “church”

    Bishop Coleridge rebuilt the 8 destroyed parish churches and increased the number of places of worship to 35, from 14. St. Anne’s was built between 1853 and 1855, 100 years before father Gatherer came. It was built after Coleridge had retired, probably by the second Bishop of Barbados, Bishop Parry.

    The sittings when Coleridge came were 5000, a fraction of the “white” population. My thinking is the majority of that was Quakers.

    The sittings in the Anglican Church increased to 22,500 by 1842 and the church building programme proceeded under Bishop Parry … St. Anne’s is an example.

    Perhaps the most striking statistic was the 10 fold increase in schools, from 8 to 83 and the more than 10 fold increase in the numbers of children who received their education, from 500 to 7000.

    Small wonder that the Coleridge and Parry school in St. Peter is so named.

    The Quaker “church” was quite different from the Anglican Church, it existed within the hearts of its members, it was invisible.

    The Anglican Church after 1824 on the other hand was “in your face”, physical buildings all over the landscape.

    … but it was if you like a necessary evil for it changed the Barbadian landscape for the good most definitely through education in the three R’s and also by the religious instruction it provided to many freed slaves!!

    Some might say the Anglican Church brainwashed the slaves who had been freed through the efforts of the Quakers,

    I think back to my religious instruction received in confirmation classes and Church attendance and I can’t fault it.

    I am born and bred an Anglican!!

    I think it is easy to miss the message of the Gospel when placed in a structured environment of religious instruction but for me, the religious instruction helped me to more fully understand the message of the Gospel as I started to ask more and more questions of myself.

    I knew where to look thanks to that instruction.

    It seems like Barbados is into building Churches and sometimes I wonder whether this is not as a result of the Church building programme of the two first bishops …. kind of like people have been brainwashed into believing that a Church can only exist as a physical building.

    Maybe the flaw in the Anglican Church was while it educated and instructed Bajans which is beyond doubt for the good many of its members never got the simple message it was also disseminating.

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  24. Zoe October 2, 2016 at 10:37 AM #

    @John. October 2, 2016, 9:26 AM

    “The Quaker “church” was quite different from the Anglican Church, it existed within the hearts of its members, it was invisible.”

    Yes John, this is precisely my point, for the ‘True’ Church of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, is NOT in a physical building, but in the HEART of every Saved, Born again, Justified believer.

    “The Anglican Church after 1824 on the other hand was “in your face”, physical buildings all over the landscape.”

    “… but it was if you like a necessary evil for it changed the Barbadian landscape for the good most definitely through education in the three R’s and also by the religious instruction it provided to many freed slaves!!”

    While this was a good thing, it does not necessarily follow that religious instructions leads one to a Saving relationship with Christ!?

    “Some might say the Anglican Church brainwashed the slaves who had been freed through the efforts of the Quakers,”

    If the Quakers lead the slaves to a personal relationship with Jesus, then the Anglicans brainwashed them with ‘Religion’ rituals, sacramentalism, etc, etc, which takes away from a personal relationship with Christ!

    “I think back to my religious instruction received in confirmation classes and Church attendance and I can’t fault it.”

    “I am born and bred an Anglican!!”

    But John, are you a Born Again, Saved, Justified Christian? Baby baptism and confirmation, as taught in Anglicanism, Catholicism, Methodism, is NOT scriptural, it does not make one a Christian. A baby cannot repent! Repent and be baptized is the commission given by Jesus, and declared by Peter on the day of Pentecost!

    “I think it is easy to miss the message of the Gospel when placed in a structured environment of religious instruction but for me, the religious instruction helped me to more fully understand the message of the Gospel as I started to ask more and more questions of myself.”

    “I knew where to look thanks to that instruction.”

    It seems like Barbados is into building Churches and sometimes I wonder whether this is not as a result of the Church building programme of the two first bishops …. kind of like people have been brainwashed into believing that a Church can only exist as a physical building.

    “Maybe the flaw in the Anglican Church was while it educated and instructed Bajans which is beyond doubt for the good many of its members never got the simple message it was also disseminating.”

    John, this is the core problem with Anglicanism, it got the CART before the horse. You cannot manufacturer Christians like condoms and panties!

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  25. Vincent Haynes October 2, 2016 at 11:10 AM #

    Estwick’s say on water soon
    MINISTER OF WATER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT Dr David Estwick will soon speak to the nation on Barbados’ extended water woes.When he does, Estwick said he will be dealing…

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/87611/estwick-water-soon
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    Hmmmm………interesting.

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  26. David October 2, 2016 at 11:51 AM #

    @Vincent

    Read it with interest as well. He appeared to be very deliberate in his communication the water management challenge currently being experienced is a national one.

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  27. Vincent Haynes October 2, 2016 at 12:49 PM #

    David October 2, 2016 at 11:51 AM #

    That it is a national challenge has been known for decades…….what we want to know is what is being done……who is being consulted……why are we not recycling water…….why in an ocean Bim has no water…….why are the streams in the scotland district never dry……international funding exists for national projects like these and road works.

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  28. David October 2, 2016 at 12:55 PM #

    Why are we not fixing the damn leaking pipes?

    Why have we not retrofitted the Pumping Stations to power with solar/wind?

    >

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  29. Vincent Haynes October 2, 2016 at 1:02 PM #

    David October 2, 2016 at 12:55 PM #

    ……and solve the 50% leakage…..the list goes on.

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  30. John October 2, 2016 at 3:01 PM #

    If the Quakers lead the slaves to a personal relationship with Jesus, then the Anglicans brainwashed them with ‘Religion’ rituals, sacramentalism, etc, etc, which takes away from a personal relationship with Christ!
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    There is a place in St. Andrew called “The Choyce” and a plantation in St. George called Prerogative, both I think, named according to Quaker values.

    To become a Christian you have to make a choice.

    No one can make it for you.

    An infant can’t make that choice, but still, infant baptism is a sacrament offered in the Anglican and Roman Catholic Church.

    It will always be so because it was always so.

    I don’t think it is as easy as leading someone to Christ.

    The best Quakers, or for that matter Anglicans, could have done would have been to make the message of the Gospel available to the slaves, and to each other.

    There is no question that Quakers did so because there was a law passed in 1676 prohibiting and fining Quakers for allowing slaves to attend their meetings.

    In the periods when Quakers were persecuted it was applied.

    By 1689 when the Act of Toleration was passed, Quakers were no longer persecuted.

    But I can find an example easily of one such instance.

    I suspect that it was common practice for Quakers to have had slaves present at their meetings.

    There are fields in some plantations called Room Field and I think that is just where at times, a Meeting Room came into being.

    The Anglican Church, like the Roman Catholic Church make the message of the Gospel available to anyone who cares to listen, but there is a lot of baggage that comes with it.

    People tune out or prefer a simpler approach.

    It is the simplicity that fools people into walking by and not stopping and taking a good listen.

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  31. Bush Tea October 2, 2016 at 3:15 PM #

    We can just picture it now John…

    You Quakers…
    The very people who owned the slaves during the exact period of the embodiment of the ‘Barbados Slave Code’ ….were such great and caring ‘christians’, that the great USA imported their ‘world class code’ for the management and control of black people.

    One suspects that these Quakers were ‘world class’ in their management of Blacks precisely because, they actually believed – like you obviously do, that they would be judged by their condescendingly hypocritical rhetoric …rather than by the fruits that fell from their actions.

    …but not by stinking Bushie…..

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  32. Zoe October 2, 2016 at 3:55 PM #

    Quakers & Slavery

    The Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) was the first corporate body in Britain and North America to fully condemn slavery as both ethically and religiously wrong in all circumstances. It is in Quaker records that we have some of the earliest manifestations of anti-slavery sentiment, dating from the 1600s. After the 1750s, Quakers actively engaged in attempting to sway public opinion in Britain and America against the slave trade and slavery in general. At the same time, Quakers became actively involved in the economic, educational and political well being of the formerly enslaved.

    The earliest anti-slavery organizations in America and Britain consisted primarily of members of the Society of Friends. Thus much of the record of the development of anti-slavery thought and actions is embedded in Quaker-produced records and documents. Friends Historical Library at Swarthmore College and the Quaker Collection at Haverford College are jointly the custodians of Quaker meeting records of the Mid-Atlantic region, including Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, New York and Vermont and these records illuminate the origins of the anti-slavery movement as well as the continued Quaker involvement, often behind the scenes, in the leadership and direction of the abolitionist movement from the 1770s to the abolition of slavery in the United States in 1865, and beyond. http://www.trilogy.brynmawr.edu

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  33. John October 2, 2016 at 4:12 PM #

    You miss the simple fact that slavery was an institution … legal and moral … for millennia.

    No one had to hide and own slaves

    It is the Quakers ultimately who changed that …. simple historical fact … and I like facts so I will keep stating them.

    This is unlike bribery which may be an institution but which is both illegal and immoral so people have to hide and practice it … and bear the consequences if they are caught!!

    Slavery exists to this day, in fact if you actually go and do some reading, there are supposed to be more slaves today than there were when the Emancipation Proclamation was proclaimed.

    If you are as anti slavery as you claim to be, that is what you should be screaming about, not depending on falsehoods, wallowing in untruths and getting shown up again and again.

    Slavery is no longer an institution, and is no longer legal, nor moral and people have to hide to practice it

    … and bear the consequences if they get caught.

    By the way, did I ever tell you about the reparations that both Spain and Portugal are offering me for the injustices they meted out to my ancestors after 1492?

    Probably not, I am still researching them, but if you are able you should be use google and see for yourself!!

    I have to admit though that I am minded to give them a pass!!

    Who knows, maybe you may qualify for them too … but you only got 3 years and the clock is ticking!!

    If you figure it out and you ask nice, I will explain the history behind it.

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  34. John October 2, 2016 at 6:45 PM #

    Quakers could not be members of parliament,

    Wilberforce was not a Quaker, but he was an evangelical Christian!! Have a read on Wilberforce in Wikipedia.

    The Quakers (Clapham Sect) spoke through him to the highest people in the realm!!

    Through him they were connected to Pitt, the PM!!

    Check wiki on Pitt the younger ……”While at Cambridge, he befriended the young William Wilberforce, who became a lifelong friend and political ally in Parliament”

    Pitt the younger, PM from 1804-1806 when Wilberforce did his major work in getting the slave trade abolished.

    The first Quaker became an MP in 1832 and that was only because the law was changed to allow an affirmation to be made, Quakers would swear no oaths so could not and would not swear the oath of allegiance!!

    The first Quaker to be voted into parliament was in the late 1600’s …. but … he could not take his seat because he would not swear an oath of allegiance!!

    So I asked a question of someone who would know, how did the parliament in Barbados function with Quakers who would not make an oath of allegiance?

    Jury is still out but I am finding a 1732 Barbados law which allowed an affirmation to be made … 100 years before England … still digging.

    The kwokager MPs we got here always making noise about being independent and having to swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen.

    All they have to do is become Quakers …. but that would mean the clowns actually have to stand for something good and believe in it!!

    Slavery was an institution … thousands of years old …. no man could undo it …. there had to be God’s hand working and directing people … and a lot of them … to bring about its downfall.

    More on that later!!

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  35. Bush Tea October 2, 2016 at 8:46 PM #

    OK John
    We should be eternally grateful that your Quaker do-gooders were able to dismantle slavery through God’s divine guidance…. Pity it took a few centuries to accomplish this – while 10 generations of Bushie’s ancestors enriched these ‘christian men and women’ with their labour, sweat and blood.

    Obviously it was also a clear coincidence that the industrial revolution came along and made slavery redundant as a primary means of doing work. We all know that, had slavery continued to be as lucrative as it was in the 16th and 17th centuries Your Quaker gems would still have hastily terminated the scourge…..don’t we…?

    Well at least we know that – should you and your ilk ever be enslaved and dehumanised in the worse possible way, wunna will patiently await for a couple centuries…while the”christian-minded” among your captors manage to get around to freeing you physically…. even if not mentally…

    Oh wait – that will never happen. The ONLY race with the capability to survive such an awfully dehumanising ordeal has already undergone that trauma…ain’t it….? Every other case that even came close – ended in effective extermination….

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  36. Zoe October 2, 2016 at 9:29 PM #

    The most destructive, all inclusive, deceiving form of SLAVERY to ever captivate the human heart and soul, IS SIN* it permeates the entire human family, BAR NONE!

    SIN has NO COLOUR, class or creed, and the ONLY ONE, that paid the complete redemptive price to ransom anyone, who sincerely repents, IS* God of very God, God Incarnate, The Lord Jesus Christ.

    “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is NO OTHER Name under heaven given among men by which we MUST BE SAVED.” (Acts 4:12) Emphasis added.

    Choose this day whom you will serve!

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  37. Zoe October 3, 2016 at 7:25 AM #

    Bush Tea October 2, 2016 at 8:46 PM #
    OK John
    We should be eternally grateful that your Quaker do-gooders were able to dismantle slavery through God’s divine guidance…. Pity it took a few centuries to accomplish this – while 10 generations of Bushie’s ancestors enriched these ‘christian men and women’ with their labour, sweat and blood.

    Obviously it was also a clear coincidence that the industrial revolution came along and made slavery redundant as a primary means of doing work. We all know that, had slavery continued to be as lucrative as it was in the 16th and 17th centuries Your Quaker gems would still have hastily terminated the scourge…..don’t we…?

    Well at least we know that – should you and your ilk ever be enslaved and dehumanised in the worse possible way, wunna will patiently await for a couple centuries…while the”christian-minded” among your captors manage to get around to freeing you physically…. even if not mentally…

    Oh wait – that will never happen. The ONLY race with the capability to survive such an awfully dehumanising ordeal has already undergone that trauma…ain’t it….? Every other case that even came close – ended in effective extermination….

    “Every other case that even came close- ended in effective extermination.”

    No BT, The Jews were enslaved to the Egyptians for over 400 years, they endured the Babylonian and Assyrian captivity, then in AD 130 were banished from their ancient homeland, ISRAEL for 2,000 years, and that is just scratching the surface of the HELL they went through, NO OTHER ETHNIC group of people from ANTIQUITY, have survived and retained, KEPT their distinct cultural and religious IDENTITY like the JEWS, and their survival since becoming a NATION again in May, 1948, is NOTHING SHORT of Miraculous.

    Because Almighty God swore an Unconditional Covenant with their forefathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and NO ONE or any circumstances can EVER annul or invalidate that, the evidence of which historically, empirically, and factually confirms that the BIBLE, IS* God’s divinely INSPIRED Word! AMEN & AMEN!!!

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  38. Vincent Haynes October 3, 2016 at 8:01 AM #

    Religion and Myth

    Folklorists, anthropologists, ethnologists and linguists have long puzzled over why complex mythical stories that surface in cultures widely separated in space and time are strikingly similar. In recent years a promising scientific approach to comparative mythology has emerged in which researchers apply conceptual tools that biologists use to decipher the evolution of living species. In the hands of those who analyze myths, the method, known as phylogenetic analysis, consists of connecting successive versions of a mythical story and constructing a family tree that traces the evolution of the myth over time.
    Scientists Trace Society’s Myths to Primordial Origins
    Analyzing how stories change in the retelling down through the generations sheds light on the history of human migration going as far back as the Paleolithic period
    scientificamerican.com|By Julien d’Huy

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientists-trace-society-s-myths-to-primordial-origins/

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  39. Bush Tea October 3, 2016 at 8:34 AM #

    Steupsss @ Zoe
    Wait … you recover enough to deal with Bushie though..?

    Look boss…. the people in the bible referred to as the ‘Jews’ are the same black-ass peoples Bushie is talking about ok? The brass bowls keep repeating their idiocy over and over…

    Bushie already tell you that if you cannot understand SIMPLE things like ‘the trinity’ and why Jesus ‘spoke in parable’, then you should think twice about your ‘understanding’ of complex matters….

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  40. John October 3, 2016 at 9:08 AM #

    God’s hand is clear in all three examples.

    God acted through Moses

    God acted through His Son Jesus Christ

    …. and then He acted through the Quakers.

    In the first case his intervention and the result ties in with what we read of his Covenant with the Jews in the Bible.

    In the second case, there is a New Covenant with all mankind to free us all from the bondage of sin.

    In the third case, the Quakers I believe were motivated by the New Covenant and God used them to end a different kind of slavery.

    If man gets to understand the free gift God has given there is bound to be a change in his heart.

    But that is a choice he has to make.

    God intervened in the third instance by changing man’s heart.

    So BT, it is the time He took to change man’s heart you need to look at.

    The Quakers and other non conformists and dissenters come out of the Reformation.

    These groups arose because the Bible which was the preserve of the Roman Catholic Church and written in one language, became available translated into many languages.

    A lot of blood was shed over the translations!!

    Google The Forbidden Book.

    All of the various groupings of non conformists and dissenters have as their root the Bible and the interpretation the instigators formed in their minds and their ability to convince others to follow them.

    Slavery existed all through the Reformation.

    Slaves had been routinely marched out of Africa through the Trans Sahara route from the 8th or 9th century, long before the Reformation came along.

    Your ancestors and my ancestors, but that does not seem to bother you, but you are excused because I know the thought never crossed your mind!!!

    Trans Atlantic slavery was ended by a group of non conformists/dissenters with their interpretation of what they understood from the Bible.

    England happened to be the dominant maritime power in the world and the thinking spread to all the world …. which is not to say England was any sweetbread … it was simply used as a channel, a conduit.

    … a bit like how Christianity first spread … through the Roman Empire, …. long before it was described as Holy!!

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  41. Vincent Haynes October 3, 2016 at 9:29 AM #

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=19&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwihvaHF3b7PAhVFpR4KHRKJCHMQFgh6MBI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ijhssi.org%2Fpapers%2Fv2(3)%2Fversion-4%2FE232634.pdf&usg=AFQjCNEYmDjELuZKE4rP0vfRSjeHgU3aAQ&sig2=XhYBtnUQr4Dp8BMs6CCUnw

    International Journal of Humanities and Social Science Invention
    ISSN

    The Heritage Of The Mouth: Oral Sources And The Study Of
    African Traditional Religion
    George I.K. Tasie
    (University of Port Harcourt, Nigeria).
    ABSTRACT:
    This paper primarily addresses the controversy among scholars on whether oral traditions such
    as
    myths, songs, wise sayings, incantations, invocations, legends, etc. constitute sources to understanding
    African traditional religion. The paper attempts to demonstrate the vast potentials of oral tradition as a vehicular
    access to understanding African be
    liefs and practices. It then highlights the urgent need, in the face of a rapidly
    changing world, where values are shifting fast, to document for posterity a religion whose tenets have been
    seriously battered by agents of modern change.
    I.
    INTRODUCTION
    Afri
    can Indigenous religion is unlike other world religions in very many respects. It has no historical
    founder, it is not a missionary religion
    per se:
    there is no messianic expectation or apocalyptic warnings of the
    end of the world (see J. S. Mbiti, 1969:
    5; J. O. Awolalu, 1976: 275). Most importantly, for our purpose here,
    there are no sacred scriptures or written literature of any kind. The religion is largely oral and its beliefs and
    practices are preserved in the memory of living persons

    cultic functi
    onaries, elders, opinion leaders and other
    custodians of cultural and religious traditions

    and passed on by word of mouth from generation to generation.
    This feature of African indigenous religion has left it much disadvantaged, exposing most of its doct
    rines and
    dogmas to “additions and subtractions, modifications and distortions, exaggerationsand confusions, so that it is
    difficult to separate the truth from the fiction” (Awolalu and Dopamu, 1979: 29).

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  42. Zoe October 3, 2016 at 9:38 AM #

    Bush Tea October 3, 2016 at 8:34 AM #
    Steupsss @ Zoe
    Wait … you recover enough to deal with Bushie though..?

    BT, I can deal with you anytime, even from my bed @ QEH!

    Look boss…. the people in the bible referred to as the ‘Jews’ are the same black-ass peoples Bushie is talking about ok? The brass bowls keep repeating their idiocy over and over…

    That is NONSENSE BT, if that were so, the Jews who came from all of the world from 1948 to today, to their ancient homeland Israel, would be BLACK people. Yes, they are Black Jews, as they are White Bajans, but as the majority of Bajans are of African/Black ancestry, so too the majority of Jews who reside in Israel and elsewhere are not from African/Black ancestry, but are a mixture of peoples as reflected in the state of Israel.

    The most prosperous democratic State in the world IS* ISRAEL, the most brilliant people in the world are JEWS, these are most certainly NOT “The brass bowls (that) keep repeating their idiocy over and over again…”

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  43. Vincent Haynes October 3, 2016 at 9:45 AM #

    How the Racial Hoax of the Jews Was Finally Exposed – Texe Marrs
    http://www.texemarrs.com/042013/racial_hoax_exposed_article.htm
    The newest DNA scientific studies, showing that the people known as the Jews are in fact of Khazar, and not Israelite origins.

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  44. John October 3, 2016 at 9:49 AM #

    “Two thousand years ago the greatest revolutionary that ever lived walked on the earth. His name was Jesus Christ.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What does this have to do with Barbados? It appears that the revolution that was started by Christ has come to a grinding halt in Barbados. The church has been silent throughout the last 8 years of social, economic and political disaster in Barbados.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The most embarrassing situation to have occurred in Barbados in the 21st Century is on display in the parish of St. Joseph where people cannot get a drop of water from their taps. There was no hurricane, no tornado, no eruption of a volcano or a tidal wave to herald this onslaught. Yet for months the people of St. Joseph cannot get water to bathe, to brush their teeth, to cook, to wash their clothes; things that people in the other parishes are taking for granted. It is the height of human misery and the church has been silent. It has not said a word or brought water to quench thirst so one can hardly expect to see water being turned to wine.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The author does not understand what constitutes the church!!!

    For 300 plus years people in Barbados existed without the BWA!!

    … but then there were two churches!!!

    The Anglican Church was “established” to educate and instruct not to supply water

    IF what the author is trying to say is that people no longer cooperate and don’t act as though the church lives within them … well …. then she may have a point.

    Its all about making a choice!!

    But whose fault is that?

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  45. John October 3, 2016 at 10:22 AM #

    BT, Spain and Portugal are offering citizenship to anyone who can show they are descendants of the Sephardic Jews they expelled after 1492 … reparations for their past injustices.

    I can and BT, perhaps you can too!!

    The offer also extends to Muslims.

    England expelled its Jews but in 1290 I believe, 200 years earlier.

    Where did the ones from Spain and Portugal go when they were expelled?

    Not to England or Barbados you might say but then how come there is a Synagogue in Barbados … and London from the mid 1600’s?

    … and how come I can say I have Jewish ancestors and suggest maybe you do too?

    The expelled Jews went to Holland and other places.

    Those that stayed in the Iberian peninsula converted to Christianity … became “good Catholics” ….. and were known as conversos, or marranos (dogs)!!

    After a time the Catholic Church in Spain wanted to know just how good the “good Catholics” were so they asked them nicely at first ….. and then through the inquisition!!

    Conversos and marranos left.

    The puritans first urged the English Government to lift its ban on Jews which it did under Cromwell, himself a puritan, in the mid 1650’s.

    So why were the Puritans so keen on having Jews back in England?

    The Quakers were also keen … check Margaret Fell’s writings.

    Why were the Quakers keen on having Jews back in England?

    It is clearly something to do with their beliefs and how they interpreted the Bible.

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  46. Zoe October 3, 2016 at 10:27 AM #

    The claim that today’s Ashkenazi Jews are descended from Khazars who converted in the Middle Ages is a myth, according to new research by a Hebrew University historian.

    The Khazar thesis gained global prominence when Prof. Shlomo Sand of Tel Aviv University published “The Invention of the Jewish People” in 2008. In that book, which became a best seller and was translated into several languages, Sand argued that the “Jewish people” is an invention, forged out of myths and fictitious “history” to justify Jewish ownership of the Land of Israel.

    Now, another Israeli historian has challenged one of the foundations of Sand’s argument: his claim that Ashkenazi Jews are descended from the people of the Khazar kingdom, who in the eighth century converted en masse on the instruction of their king. In an article published this month in the journal “Jewish Social Studies,” Prof. Shaul Stampfer concluded that there is no evidence to support this assertion.

    “Such a conversion, even though it’s a wonderful story, never happened,” Stampfer said.
    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/1.601287

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  47. John October 3, 2016 at 10:56 AM #

    It has not said a word or brought water to quench thirst so one can hardly expect to see water being turned to wine.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    This has to be the most ridiculous part of the article!!!

    Three days is all it takes for lack of water to kill a human.

    Clearly, no one in St. Joseph is dying form thirst!!

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  48. John October 3, 2016 at 10:58 AM #

    …. most of the other uses for water in a household can be supplied from the rain!!

    St. Joseph always has rain!!

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  49. Zoe October 3, 2016 at 11:04 AM #

    Facts become credible facts when they are warranted to the relevant degree of certainty, as the facts below show.

    Also, Shlomo Sand, displays and confirms that “Arrogance without foundation is a manifestation of PROFOUND and chronic IGNORANCE.” (T. S. Elliot)

    Breaking Israel News spoke to Bennett Greenspan about the genetic aspect of Judaism and how it relates to the Jewish claim to the Land of Israel. Greenspan founded Family Tree DNA, the first American company to offer genealogical DNA testing directly to the general public, and his conclusions are based on a database of hundreds of thousands of genetic samples .

    “On the Y-DNA test that tracks the paternal line, 75-85% of Jews have a Semitic ancestry, that is to say they are from the Middle East. ‘Semitic’ may also include Turkey and Northern Syria, going back 3,000 years,” Greenspan explained.

    He said that according to the genetic results, “I am a Jewish Arab. The world has Christian Arabs, Muslim Arabs, and Jewish Arabs. The difference is that 2,000 years ago, the Muslim Arabs didn’t yet have a religion, and the Jewish Arabs did. Our Temple was defiled, the Jews revolted, and we got beat. The Jews were exiled from our land by the superpower of the day.”

    “Shlomo Sand is wrong when he says that Jews are no more related to other Jews in other places in the world than to Christians or Muslims,” Greenspan stated unequivocally to Breaking Israel News. “The genetic facts do not at all support that theory, and do support the opposite. The genetic evidence is strikingly clear.”

    Sand’s premise, even when he wrote the book, was outlandish to many critics. His reason for taking such an untenable stance was that he believed a common ethnic basis for Judaism “nourishes anti-Semitism”. However, by denying Jewish ethnicity in an attempt to prevent anti-Semitism, Sand’s thesis has become a battle cry for haters of Israel.

    The creation of the modern State of Israel has once again made Judaism a national identity and not just a religion limited to the occasional visit to the synagogue. The scattered children of Abraham have gathered together as an unmistakeable result of God’s covenant. Science has proven this to be undeniably true.

    Read more at http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/62154/jews-today-really-descendants-abraham-who-should-inherit-land-jewish-world/#xOtYDj361b5So3rG.99

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  50. millertheanunnaki October 3, 2016 at 12:26 PM #

    @ Zoe October 3, 2016 at 9:38 AM
    “The most prosperous democratic State in the world IS* ISRAEL, the most brilliant people in the world are JEWS, these are most certainly NOT “The brass bowls (that) keep repeating their idiocy over and over again…”

    And yet these are the same people whose alleged ancestors not only sold out your friend to those dastardly brutal Romans and to help crucify your dear friend Jesus but even to this day fail to recognize the son of man as their God.

    Why did your god of the desert allow his “chosen” people with white skin and blue eyes to be enslaved by an ‘inferior’ race for ‘400’ years in a country with temperatures in the 80’s dominated by people of brown skin and pagan beliefs. is it because they fail to recognize Jesus in the form of Abraham?

    According to you and your master in fabricated religious dogma GP, how can Jews get to heaven if they knowingly and deliberately fail to recognize and to accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour?

    Now how do you reconcile these blatant contradictions?

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  51. Vincent Haynes October 3, 2016 at 12:43 PM #

    millertheanunnaki October 3, 2016 at 12:26 PM #

    Chuckle…….by now you would have realised that believers do not operate on logic.

    I am still to understand how a group whose origins were in the area of present day Ethiopia lack melanin and a number of them posses the mutant gene allowing blue eyes can be deemed to be jews in the true sense of that wandering tribe.

    It is plain for those who wish to see that the present occupiers of the place called isreal are of Khazar stock from eastern europe who ended up there after ww2…..none so blind…..

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  52. Bush Tea October 3, 2016 at 3:07 PM #

    @ Vincent
    Zoe is still unwell … forgive him….
    Anyone who classifies the ‘Jews’ as the most democrats, prosperous and brilliant people in the world would have to be ill….

    These people are subsidised to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars annually by their sponsor, the great Babalon whose feet are of iron and clay…. They live in the most autocratic police state on earth – where practically every citizen is a soldier…and they do indeed exemplify the ultimate in albino-centric greed, spite and selfishness where ever they exists…. So perhaps Zoe is measuring them by albino-centric standards.

    In terms of community-centric love, peaceful intent, and global well-being however, these people are best measured by their treatment of the Palestinians who they now hold in the identical position in which they claim Hitler had them 75 years ago…. and they seem to be outdoing Hitler himself….

    Perhaps Zoe would care to explain to us how – as Vincent says, a people who originated in the heart of Africa turned out to be …. so albino-centric…🙂

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  53. John October 3, 2016 at 4:04 PM #

    I guess there may be hope for me to win a Nobel Prize too given my Jewish heritage!!

    Seriously though, my Jewish ancestors were being treated badly by Spain and Portugal long before there was any transatlantic slavery that brought my African ancestors here.

    I am looking forward to the day when Guinea and Gambia and all the other African countries who expelled my ancestors and sold them into slavery offer me citizenship too!!

    I am not exactly holding my breath but you never know!!

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  54. millertheanunnaki October 3, 2016 at 4:25 PM #

    @ John October 3, 2016 at 4:04 PM #
    “I guess there may be hope for me to win a Nobel Prize too given my Jewish heritage!!
    Seriously though, my Jewish ancestors were being treated badly by Spain and Portugal long before there was any transatlantic slavery that brought my African ancestors here.”

    The major difference here, dear John, is that your “Jewish” ancestors had the option of either remaining as “genuine” Jews and migrate to places like Amsterdam to continue their Shylock ways or convert to become solid upright Christian citizens with their god-given right to carry on or benefit from the same trade in the sub-human species in the Americas.

    West African blacks were never offered that ‘privilege’ of choice.

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  55. Georgie Porgie October 3, 2016 at 4:48 PM #

    ZOE

    WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO WASTE YOUR TIME WITH THE MORONS ON BU

    I AM SURE YOU CAN FIND AVENUES WHERE FOLK WANT TO LEARN THE TRUTH ABOUT GOD’ WORD AND GOD’S PEOPLE

    THE DEVIL HAS HIS ACOLYTES ON BU BIG TIME. I HAVE NEVER MET MORE EVIL HEARTED FOLK IN MY LIFE AS ARE HERE ON THIS FORUM

    THESE IDIOTS HAVE NOT STUDIED THE WORD

    THEY CERTAINLY DONT UNDERSTAND THE TRUTHS OF ROMANS 9 TO 11

    THEY KNOW NOTHING OF THE HISTORY OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE NOR DO THEY KNOW

    ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT IS IN STORE FOR THE JEWS IN THE GREAT TRIBULATION
    PERIOD OR IN THE MILLENNIAL KINGDOM

    ALL THE BOOKS YOU HAVE READ ON THIS TOPIC CANT BE ALL WRONG AND A FEW THEOLOGICAL IDIOTS ON BU BE RIGHT. HILARIOUS

    WATCH NOW

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  56. John October 3, 2016 at 4:51 PM #

    From my research I believe my first Jewish ancestors in Barbados on my mother’s side were Abraham and Jaell, born probably 1665.

    They begat as far as I can see six children, four boys and two girls.

    I think one of the sons was Eleazar.

    Eleazar is named in a 1712 will and described as a friend suggesting he may have been a Quaker, converted to Christianity.

    I suspect he had coloured children but it is only a guess at the time for there is an Abraham who is described as a Free Mulatto who might also have been his half brother.

    Some of my cousins who can also claim a Jewish heritage would be for example Ras Ikael Tafari, aka Michael Hutchinson and members of families such as Seon, Grell, Smitten, Ashby, Barrow, Wiles, Pemberton, Mapp, Dummet, Harrison etc etc etc!!

    So the Abraham in my line has many, many descendants, like the original Abraham!!

    My father also had Jewish ancestry but don’t know much about that line, different country.

    I get it from both sides!!

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  57. Georgie Porgie October 3, 2016 at 6:24 PM #

    ZOE
    WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHT ON THE FULFIILMENT OF THE PROPHESY AGAINST DAMASCUS AS GIVE IN ISAIAH 17

    WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHT ON THIS ARTICLE BELOW

    https://www.raptureready.com/featured/gillette/Isaiah_17.html

    DO YOU THINK THAT THE PROPHESIED DESTRUCTION IS OCCURRING NOW OR AT A LATER DECISION

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  58. Zoe October 4, 2016 at 9:37 AM #

    @GP, Here’s a good summation of “When the Lion Roars”, yes, it certainly does appear that all the signs are converging within and around Syria, leading up to Damascus becoming a “heap of ruins, Isa 17:1-3; Jer 49:23-27, with God setting “fire to the walls of Damascus.”

    BTW, I do not believe in a Pre-trib Rapture, I’m convinced its going to be Mid-Trib Rapture!

    “The declarations of the Word of God are literally leaping off the pages of the Bible and landing directly in today’s news announcements,” he argued. “The frightening thing is that most of the world has no idea what it is seeing in regards to prophecy. Sadly, neither does most of today’s church which is often consumed by watered down preaching, attracting big crowds and obtaining fancy facilities rather than preaching the truths of Scripture.”

    In “When the Lion Roars,” Gallups describes what he calls the “prophetic linking between Syria, Russia, China, Iran and Turkey.”

    Gallups also noted the repeated warnings of an imminent world war from a huge variety of prominent world figures, including Pope Francis and even a Democratic Party congresswoman.

    The pastor observed there are two biblical passages that appear to point directly to Syria, specifically to the utter destruction of the Syrian capital of Damascus as being a sign of the last days.

    Isaiah 17:1-3 speaks of Damascus becoming a “heap of ruins,” and Jeremiah 49:23-27 speaks of God setting “fire to the walls of Damascus.”

    Gallups believes both of these passages refer to future events, not prophecies that have already been fulfilled. And he argues with the active involvement of almost every great power in the current Syrian civil war, the destruction of Damascus and a global conflict that will eventually involve Israel seems not just plausible, but likely.

    “Geopolitics has ebbs and flows, and so it is always dangerous to make certain predictions,” said Gallups. “But few statesmen thought the local conflicts and grievances that preceded the two world wars were going to spiral out of control the way they did.

    Whether one is a believer or not, the Bible provides many clues about the future of us all. In “Final Warning,” beloved pastor and bestselling author Carl Gallups explores the stunning visions of the Apostle John as found in the seven trumpets of Revelation and overlays them on major events in the 20th and 21st centuries. Final Warning: Understanding the Trumpet Days of Revelation.

    “So it seems obvious to ask whether the time Jesus spoke of when he warned of ‘wars and rumors of wars,’ and ‘nations rising against nations and kingdoms rising against kingdoms’ has arrived. Was He referring to our historical generation? We are the only historical generation in history that could be called the ‘generation of world wars.’ Additionally, only our generation has seen the re-establishment of Israel. We see the Jewish state surrounded by enemies. And now, in the very locations where it was prophesied, we see every major global power on the brink of war in the Holy Land.

    “Many world leaders, and ordinary people, seem to be possessed by a kind of angst that we are not far at all, short of a miraculous intervention, from a horrific conflict. And I have to count myself among them.

    “Indeed, we are living in the most profoundly prophetic times since the first coming of Jesus Christ. Right now, the ‘Lion of Prophecy’ is roaring in Syria. But, does anyone hear its warning?” http://www.mail.google.com

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  59. Georgie Porgie October 4, 2016 at 9:54 AM #

    WHY DONT YOU BELIEVE IN A PRE= TRIB RAPTURE
    HOW DO YOU SUPPORT YOUR POSITION

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  60. Zoe October 4, 2016 at 12:19 PM #

    @GP, I was an adherent to the Pre-Trib Rapture school of thought, especially having studied under those great scholars at Dallas TS, Walvoord, Ryrie, and Pentecost, who convincingly, put forward the Pre-Trib argument!

    But, about ten years ago, I was ‘raptured’ by Robert Van Kampen’s, ‘The Rapture Question Answered, Plain & Simple, who systematically and coherently, from Scripture, like I’ve never seen it done before, settled this question for me. GP, get a copy of this well written book, and read his well presented Scriptural argument, for a Mid-Trib Rapture!

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  61. Georgie Porgie October 4, 2016 at 12:25 PM #

    Zoe
    can any of the idiots who would challenge you or I on Bible issues say they have read those great scholars at Dallas TS, Walvoord, Ryrie, and Pentecost?

    give me some of the tenets of his thesis on a mid trib rapture

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  62. Vincent Haynes October 4, 2016 at 1:33 PM #

    Chuckle……start wrong end wrong……..

    Debating a thesis that lacks a foundation……..what idiot(s) would do that.

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  63. Zoe October 4, 2016 at 1:37 PM #

    Bush Tea October 3, 2016 at 3:07 PM #
    @ Vincent
    Zoe is still unwell … forgive him….
    Anyone who classifies the ‘Jews’ as the most democrats, prosperous and brilliant people in the world would have to be ill….

    Bush Tea, You go WAY beyond being ILL, or deranged, or even Ignorant , when someone, as YOU DID, right here on BU, DECLARED “I WILL BE GOD” that’s PRIDE and ARROGANCE, personified, even more So than your FATHER, the DEVIL!

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  64. Zoe October 4, 2016 at 2:31 PM #

    Vincent Haynes October 4, 2016 at 1:33 PM #
    Chuckle……start wrong end wrong……..

    Debating a thesis that lacks a foundation……..what idiot(s) would do that.

    Haynes, you’re a Past-Master at this art form, as MLK Jr, said, “The most dangerous thing in the world is, sincere IGNORANCE, and conscientious STUPIDITY.”

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  65. Zoe October 4, 2016 at 2:43 PM #

    millertheanunnaki October 3, 2016 at 12:26 PM #
    @ Zoe October 3, 2016 at 9:38 AM
    “The most prosperous democratic State in the world IS* ISRAEL, the most brilliant people in the world are JEWS, these are most certainly NOT “The brass bowls (that) keep repeating their idiocy over and over again…”

    And yet these are the same people whose alleged ancestors not only sold out your friend to those dastardly brutal Romans and to help crucify your dear friend Jesus but even to this day fail to recognize the son of man as their God.

    Why did your god of the desert allow his “chosen” people with white skin and blue eyes to be enslaved by an ‘inferior’ race for ‘400’ years in a country with temperatures in the 80’s dominated by people of brown skin and pagan beliefs. is it because they fail to recognize Jesus in the form of Abraham?

    According to you and your master in fabricated religious dogma GP, how can Jews get to heaven if they knowingly and deliberately fail to recognize and to accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour?

    Now how do you reconcile these blatant contradictions?

    Nnaki/Monkey, There is NO blatant contradictions here, there CAN’T be, as you in your adept IGNORANCE, as usual, have completely TWISTED, convoluted, the biblical narrative, as you will NEVER be able to understand, nor ever correctly INTERPRET God’s Word, as you ARE a son of DARKNESS, where there is NO LIGHT, period!

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  66. Vincent Haynes October 4, 2016 at 5:30 PM #

    Zoe October 4, 2016 at 2:31 PM #

    MLK Jr, said, “The most dangerous thing in the world is, sincere IGNORANCE, and conscientious STUPIDITY.”
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………

    Chuckle….totally agree with you and I am happy that you and your ilk have recognised your faults,hopefully you will correct them.

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