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Turkey – Game Changer in the ‘Middle East’ – Central Asia?

Submitted by Pachamama

TurkeyThe critical thing about intrigues is that you never know who’s on whose side until the music stops. The music stopped for the globalist party goers in Turkey about a week ago.

On 15th July 2016, in the late evening, Caribbean Time, American government deep state forces, operating in Turkey activated a planned coup to remove the duly elected coalition government of Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, of the Justice and Development Party (AKP).

Erdogan and Putin had planned a summit in Moscow for the first two weeks of August. Ahead of the summit Erdogan had already apologized to Russia for downing its fighter jets and killing a pilot over Syrian territory and had offered compensation to the families in compliance with Russian demands.

At that summit, amongst another agenda items, will be The South Stream Gas Pipeline, running from Russia to Western Europe through Turkey. If the Americans cannot control Turkey, they cannot do what hegemons like best – have control over the resources going to Western Europe as a lever to ensure European compliance to the-every demand of Washington. Erdogan, at the same time, moved to normalize relationships with Israel. Israel will come to play a role in natural gas geo-politics, they hope.

In return, Russia had loosened some of the sanctions on Turkey whose annual revenues of over 10 billion dollars derived from Russians holidaying in Turkey had virtually disappeared.

At home, he removed prime minister Ahmed Davutoglu, a Gulenist having close ties with the American intelligence, and replaced him with an ally and leader of the ruling coalition in Parliament, Binali Yildirim.

Erdogan had also started to withhold support for the terrorists operating in Syria. He had come to see that mission as the failure of his misguided foreign policy. He now knows well that the current battle in Aleppo and that in Manbij will cut off supply lines and render the terrorists supported by the Americans and himself, defeated. American policy is to double down.

Erdogan was also concerned that the continued American military support for the YPK in northern Syria would extend their presence and lead to calls for a Kurdish homeland in Syria, as part of the American plot to divide and conquer.

With such a presence next to Turkish territory and under conditions where of Kurds within Turkey already are seeking autonomy, the best way out of this morass, he had been to led to, was no longer the revival of the Ottoman Empire, as he had hoped, but seeking some kind of peace with Syria. And by extension Syria’s allies.

These moves represented a 180-degree reversal of established policy. The ‘foreign affairs community’ in Washington watched in amazement, apoplectic, as all its Middle Eastern policy, developed over decades was crumbling before their very eyes.

In their minds an asymmetric response was warranted. It was felt necessary to remind Erdogan and his new found friends who was the indispensable nation. Who was hegemon. Who set the global agenda. It has been suggested that the events in Nice were to serve as a distraction and to lay the table for the real action elsewhere.

All war is about deception, says Sun Tzu.

The wars that Turkey had helped the USA to plan for the destruction of the Middle East, to break up countries for better control, was backfiring with catastrophic consequences at the nadir of a less than average president who though he could succeed with his ‘smart wars’, done on the cheap. The Americans then proceeded to take a reckless gamble, the costs of which, is too early to assess.

We will suggest the actors involved and the roles likely played; how they were set up; analyze the geo-strategic interests at stake. None of the forces we will implicate are nice people. There are however, several interests and counter-interests. We will argue that the orders of magnitude are large and will determined the distribution of global power for the foreseeable future. This is great game theory, in practice. Interests, and interests alone, served as primary guidance for all parties.

Before we roll out the cast of characters it is important to describe the pivotal nature of Turkey as the land bridge between Europe and Asia and how it would be impossible for the American imperium to control access to any of Central Asia and its resources without Turkey.

Turkey serves as the ‘key’ if empire is to disrupt or to seek to control the massive development plans which China, Russia and Iran have in the works. These projects will decisively and economically shift the balance of global dominance away from the West and towards the East unless they are brought under Washington’s control. It will mean that the whole post war international economic infrastructure on which America’s global supremacy lies will be no more.

Turkey’s airbase at Incirlik houses up to 100 American nuclear weapons, placed there, to threaten Russia, China and Iran away from planning such a seismic shift. Turkey has a high percentage of NATO troops under arms. NATO’s main fighting force, over 500,000 soldiers. What is at stake is what Brzezinski called the ‘stupendous prize’- the resources of Central Asia. They have the capacity to energize the global economy and thrust us into a new era of expansion – maybe the greatest of all times. We refer to the New Silk Road Project, the industrialization of Central Asian countries generally, massive gas pipelines to Western Europe for which Turkey is the indispensable pivot. Without these pipelines Western Europe will enter a Dark Age.

The above briefly summaries the environments in which the cast of characters are operating.

Muhammed Fethullah Gulen is the titular head of a CIA- sponsored chain of schools operating internationally but with concentration in Turkey. He is a 75-year-old man with a meagre 5th grade education who over 30 years ago was inserted as an ‘Islamic scholar’ by a cabal which includes the likes of George Soros and David Rockefeller. These are but a few of the business people who back such projects. They form the nexus between intelligence operations and imperial or corporate hegemony.

Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, until recently, was a close allay to Gulen and the Gulenist Movement. They were (are) both in the same hegemonic structure built by the Americans. He has been well aware of the shadow government the Gulen Movement was (is), the spy networks, the terrorist networks, the funding networks. They supported Erdogan for years, until a falling out. The tens of thousands of people, over 50,000, Erdogan is now rounding up in his purges are all Gulen educated, Gulen affiliated, CIA sleeper cells, agents and networks.

They operate like lodges, with private communication systems, secret signs and so on.

Vladimir Putin is reported to have been the one whose intelligence gathering station in Syria first picked up an intercepted communication about the planned coup and informed Erdogan what was happening. And yes, Erdogan infiltrated the coup to make sure it would fail but also give himself the pretext to engage in the purges he’s currently conducting, further the restructuring of his foreign policy.

Iranian President, Hassan Rouhani, who also has military advisers in Syria, made a similar report, to Erdogan, before the plot was activated.

There are also reports that senior officials in Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the UAE played roles in the coup. None of these countries are listed as providing intelligence to Erdogan but there are other reports that money has been offered in exchange for forgiveness, by them. We judge that their own natural gas interests and the fear of being sidelined in this great game could explain tacit involvement, at least.

In war, Sun Tzu, foreknowledge must be obtained from the people who know the conditions of the enemy. The American empire has been overthrowing governments for hundreds of years. They are very good at this. More than expecting them to do such, the only things that can stop them is foreknowledge, planning, preparation.

Who benefits? The best evidence lies in the responses of parties after the attempted coup.

That Erdogan had signal, publicly, that the Americans should extradite Gulen must be interpreted as pointing an accusatory finger at the American intelligence agencies, the American government and Obama himself. We hardly think such a thing could have happened without Obama being informed, though presidents are often left in the dark. In these circumstances, we doubt any of the many intelligence agencies would, on their own, take such large risks.

The Americans themselves issued a delayed first statement. A statement which clearly withheld strong support for Erdogan’s government, it was nuanced. Only when it became clear that the coup had failed did the Americans make what could be called a statement of strong support. This has not gone unnoticed by Erdogan. It suggests guilt.

Turkey’s minister of labour, last Saturday, pointed directly to American involvement.

The initial diplomatic language from Turkey’s NATO allies followed the same course. When the purges started both the Americans and NATO sought to threaten Turkey about membership in the EU, human rights and the illegality of the death penalty. Actions aimed at protecting their spies, coup plotters in Turkey, these must be read as.

On the other hand, Turkey’s ‘new’ best friends Russia, Iran and China from first reports made strong diplomatic statements and condemned unconstitutional means of removing Erdogan. They all knew that this was an American plot.

Hassan Rouhani, Iranian president, assured Erdogan that despite differences, Iran could not support coups under any pretext and pledged support.

In the midst of the party atmosphere in the USA, as Hillary Clinton announces Tim Kane as her running-mate and as a madman, Donald Trump, seeks to get his hands on the nuclear button, conditions might have so changed by the 20th of January 2017 that an existential crisis could confronts the next president on his/her first day on the job.

We judge that the Americans are incapable to relinquishing hyper power status and are prepared to go to any lengths to so maintain. On the other hand, it is only a matter of time before the Russians and the Chinese come to the unavoidable conclusions, that they cannot coexist with a singular superpower constantly seeking to dominate every square inch of land, sea and space, that there is only one route to global dominance.

When this immovable object meets an irresistible force all parties will stop. The CIA sponsored coup in Turkey may not be the end of the beginning but the beginning of the end.

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28 Comments on “Turkey – Game Changer in the ‘Middle East’ – Central Asia?”

  1. David July 23, 2016 at 8:32 AM #

    Thanks Pacha for keeping the focus on this matter. There is hardly any local media chatter about geopolitics in this part of the world.

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  2. David July 23, 2016 at 8:47 AM #

    CIA Chief Hedges When Asked if U.S. Saw Turkey Coup Coming

    John Brennan says officials were well aware of sizable opposition to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan

     

    MCLEAN, Va.—Central Intelligence Agency Director John Brennan said intelligence officials were well aware of strains within Turkey and sizable opposition to PresidentRecep Tayyip Erdogan, but he wouldn’t say whether they foresaw an attempted coup last week.

    Mr. Brennan, speaking Tuesday evening to an audience at the Intelligence and National Security Alliance, described the setting U.S. officials were in Friday night when the attempted coup was unfolding.

    “The first thing you do when you have a situation like that is you try to ascertain the facts, and a lot of time…it’s very very difficult because a lot of information is coming in and it is hard to distinguish between rumors,” he said.

     

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/cia-chief-hedges-when-asked-if-u-s-saw-turkey-coup-coming-1469026725

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  3. Pachamama July 23, 2016 at 9:14 AM #

    @ David

    You’re welcomed.

    We deeply believe that though Barbados has to be the centre of our worlds we cannot make any plans for our futures unless we locate them into their proper context.

    If for example, we knew that there were Russian tourists, all of a sudden, needing warm weather destinations we, as a country, could have responded. Especially, if we knew in advance, as a possibility.

    We also know that people like ‘the Porgie that is Georgie’ will again say that these events have nothing to do with us.

    We were recently in Iran and met a Bajan teaching Farsi. Are we to forget all our people all over the world.

    We continue to fail to see how we can plan for the future by holding on to a myopic view as the only one there is.

    Yes, again, Barbados and the Caribbean are central but we have to know all the other forces around us.

    Lastly, we must admit that these issues are more challenging than the old humdrum BLP/DLP back and forth which our colleague GP would prefer. LOL

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  4. David July 23, 2016 at 11:14 AM #

    David Ellis would want us to give balance to the discussion.

    http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2016/07/23/turkey-coup-state-of-emergency-ibrahim-kalin-robertson-intv.cnn

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  5. Pachamama July 23, 2016 at 3:24 PM #

    @ David

    People who talk about ‘balance’ generally tend to mean gaming issues into two sides aimed at leading nowhere.

    We should try to see all sides. Not constantly assume that every issue has just two sides.

    That reasoning, by them, is artificial and a propaganda trick.

    Real balance requires more than just 2 sides.

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  6. former civil servant July 23, 2016 at 9:07 PM #

    Turkey government revokes 3213 ham radio licenses
    JUL 20, 2016by IZ0JOJin GENERAL POSTS

    Turkey government revokes 3213 ham radio licenses
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    It has been confirmed by Supreme Council of radio and television of Turkey (RTUK) the news that Mr. Erdogan – the president of Turkey has revoked 3213 national ham radio licenses. The HF radio in Turkey is now silent. No transmissions are allowed.

    turkcagr

    Following the coup d’etat – of July 5th – many things are changing in Turkey. TV , Radio licenses have been cancelled and this involved also our colleagues : ham radio amateurs. The number of amateur radio operators in Turkey is not too much, but according to the site TRAC.org it looks like that around 3000 licenses have been revoked. Who’s transmitting outside turkey without licence should be considered a pirate – said Mr Erdogan.

    The Supreme Council of radio and television of Turkey (RTUK) has cancelled the licenses of over 20 radio and television broadcasters as well ham radio operators.

    The Telsiz ve Radyo Amatörleri Cemiyeti (TRAC) is the national non-profit organization for amateur radio enthusiasts in turkey. The TRAC was founded in 1962 as the Türkiye Radyo Amatörleri Cemiyeti, adopting its current name in 1980. It’s located in Istanbul, with branches in 44 locations across Turkey. TRAC is the national member society representing Turkey in the IARU. Now, it has been closed down.

    We look forward to have news from Turkey ham radio league.

    Turkey’s coup in numbers

    21,000 private teachers have licences removed
    15,000 suspended from education ministry
    8,000 police officers detained or suspended
    6,000 soldiers detained
    1,500 staff at Ministry of Finance dismissed
    3213 ham radio operators with license revoked.
    2745 judges dismissed
    1,577 deans – Education board demands resignation
    492 sacked from Religious Affairs Directorate
    399 from Ministry of Family and Social Policies stripped of responsibilities
    257 fired from the prime minister’s office
    100 intelligence officials sacked
    47 district governors dismissed
    30 provincial governors dismissed
    20 news websites blocked

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  7. Hopi July 23, 2016 at 9:23 PM #

    “Our boys have done it” words from a CIA Chief back in 1980 after a similar coup there.

    Yes Pacha, Russia and Iran possessed that foreknowledge of which Sun Tzu spoke and it was Putin who saved the arse of this dirty, duplicitous donkey Erdogan who played both sides. And for XX the Zionist bankers who really controls the West, he is a marked man. For it was Israeli trained Saudi pilots who flew those planes and opened fire infront of the Turkish Parliament Bldg.

    Turkey was also moving away from NATO and toward the SCO. They were negotiating with Iran to create a true Caliphate with Shiite and Sunni quite unlike the Israeli sponsored bogus Caliphate under the ‘aegis’ of ISIS..Israeli Secret Intelligence Svc. whose sole purpose is to demonise ALL MUSLIMS while the zionist pigs kill them and steal their lands.

    Turkey doesn’t recognise the Armenian genocide so they hold that against them as a condition for EU membership, but who really wants to join a Union that’s in shits. Hungary and others are looking to exit while Italy’s banks are collapsing, and all the doomsday talk about Brexit, the UK seems to be doing fine.

    The US, working on the behalf of the Zionist Bankers is losing control all over this planet. She’s like a dog with all Bark and no bite. China ain’t scared of her neither is Russia, the two REAL super-powers in the world today.

    They’re so nasty they’ve now banned the Russian athletes from the Brazil Olympics. How nasty and petty can they be?

    Another hot-spot will be Indonesia.

    China issuing Green Bonds while the US (Goldman Sucks) is issuing Death Bonds.

    Donald Trump giving long talk against China but he’s in for a rude awakening.

    Hillary and her fugly, lip-less pick are DOA.

    America, now having come to the end of the road is eating her young ones alive.

    The old corrupt, blood-sucking system is dying while a new system is coming into existence and as usual, there will be birthing pangs. We can feel them!

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  8. chad99999 July 24, 2016 at 2:41 AM #

    Pacha, as usual, does an uneven job. His analysis conveniently fails to mention that at the same time Erdogan was restoring his relationships with Moscow, he was also renewing his ties to Israel. (Pacha doesn’t tell you this because it would blow up much of his case for American involvement in the coup attempt).
    Then, of course, he has to rubbish Donald Trump by calling him a madman. Virtually all of Trump’s policy positions are common sense positions supported by thousands of the best and brightest officers in the military high command in Washington, although they do not have majority support in the foreign policy establishment.
    There ‘s nothing “mad” about turning back a flood of nearly 20 million illegal immigrants. No other country has as many illegal immigrants as the US. Nothing “mad” about more rigorous screening of Muslim immigrants. They are killing Americans and western Europeans every month. And nothing mad about mercantilism. It works for China, Japan and Germany.

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  9. Exclaimer July 24, 2016 at 6:39 AM #

    @ Pachamama July 23, 2016 at 9:14 AM,

    Leave my pal alone ‘the Porgie that is Georgie’. He may be eccentric; I once used the words inimitable to describe him. However he is like gold dust to BU. He is no worse than a provocateur or a devil’s advocate.

    I would worry more about the Chad 9999’s of this world. Like me you probably would have noticed his comments @ 2.41am where he stated that Muslims were killing Americans and western Europeans every month. He forgot to add, conveniently, that this number pales into “insignificance” when compared to the enormous numbers of Black Africans who have died at the hands of Muslims. Nigeria and her neighbours would corroborate these facts. Let us not forgot the many thousands of Arabs who have been killed by Muslim terrorists and the far eastern region which has had to endure these monstrous terrorists for decades.

    To be honest with you Pachamama I have given up on your region. You hold international views and are knowledgeable of geopolitics; unlike so many of your dumb-arsed, “wuk-up” country men and women. The coup in Turkey viewed from the “parochial” and backwards Caribbean region is an irrelevance.

    The clip below should be of great interest to all those countries such as Barbados who had to endure colonisation, slavery or both. I hope that our dear fellow blogger Chad 9999 will take 45 minutes out of his busy schedule to watch and assimilate the message from this programme.

    We need to, collectively, study our history to ensure that such events are never repeated within our life time and beyond.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/specialseries/2013/08/201387113131914906.html

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  10. Pachamama July 24, 2016 at 6:51 AM #

    @ chad99999999999999999999

    Well, on your first point you are wrong.

    You have obviously not read this piece.

    More generally, we always approach issues by identifying, measuring all or the significant forces involved. There is no other way to analyse, synthesize.

    Thirdly, a populist authoritarianism always has a certain appeal to a brutalized public. If you were to consult the political science literature you will quickly learn this. The truth is that most people tend to believe that populism is a left or communist ideology alone. No, it can be at the left or right, especially, or anywhere in-between.

    There is little doubt amongst people who watch these things that Trump follows the ‘principles’ of Adolf Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin. These were friends with the military as well so we would not be surprised if what you said was true. We expect their misguidance ,as they are, by ignorance

    Separately, we lack respect for any military which can consistently be used to brutalize people of colour around the world serving as the gangsters for corporate interests. We are very familiar with their day-to-day criminal activities.

    On your third point about illegal immigration. The political maturity is yet to be attained to read Trump’s case about illegal immigration as a mere ‘dog whistle’. In other words, a stand-in for an otherwise racist intent. There are significant Europeans in the USA ‘illegally’ and neither Trump nor no other politician speaks to that. More fundamentally, all the USA belongs to the ancestors of the people you called ‘illegal immigrants’.

    We are no psychiatrists nor psychologist. We have used the judgments made by growing numbers of them. They happen to be allied with common sense, personal judgement.

    What you should be concerned about is how 2 highly challenged people could be thrown up by the system. This should speak to such a systemic failure of western ‘civilization’ that you should start to estimate the larger problems coming down the pike.

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  11. Pachamama July 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM #

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2016/07/24/476637/Turkey-Recep-Tayyip-Erdogan

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says last weekend’s failed military coup against the government has opened a “new era” in the country, stressing that all coup plotters would be prosecuted.

    “With the failure of this armed coup attempt, Turkey has entered a new era,” Erdogan said in a pre-recorded address broadcast on national television Saturday………………………………..

    He added that so far, 934 schools, 109 student dorms, 15 universities, 104 foundation, 1,125 charity organization, 35 health institutes and 19 unions are shut down, amid the government’s sweeping crackdown on those believed to have played a role in the abortive July 15 putsch.

    He also went on to say that the process has begun to discharge the civil servants who have links to Fethullah Gulen, the US-based cleric accused by Ankara of orchestrating the coup attempt; a claim “categorically” rejected by the opposition figure.

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  12. David July 24, 2016 at 1:45 PM #

    @Pacha

    Looks like you have a dictator-in-chief going about his business.

    How was he able to identify offending citizens and entities so quickly?

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  13. David July 24, 2016 at 2:16 PM #

    Looks like the Bernie supporters plan to create some ruction at the DNC this week.

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  14. Pachamama July 24, 2016 at 3:32 PM #

    @ David

    He was (is) part of the small networks of the CIA-Gulen

    Lists were prepared beforehand.

    Remember Sun Tzu, foreknowledge.

    Bernie’s supporters will keep some noise and so forth

    But at the end of the day 80-90 percent gine vote for Clinton.

    We wouldn’t pay too much attention to that.

    But the Bernie Revolution is going on.

    He is trying to have a longer term view making it more possible for a real ‘progressive’, in the future, by changing party rules etc. And that maybe a good thing, though we lack confidence that the corporates, who control both parties, are unlikely to release their grip.

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  15. Victor July 24, 2016 at 9:14 PM #

    Built into Turkey’s Constitution by its founder, Kemal Ataturk in the 1920s, was the role of the army to maintain a secular state. Over the years, whenever secularism seemed to be in danger there have been a series of army led coups.

    I lived there during several of these coups; I have to say the results led to a return to secularism. In one case, when General Evren took over, the electorate were wild for him to become President but under the Constitution, that’s not allowed. Once the army has decided its safe for democracy again, normal democracy resumes.

    The army in Turkey is composed of conscripts as every male is obliged to do military service. This works well as it offers all young men a chance to further their education, learn a trade etc. There area very few options to abstain. eg if one is on a national sportsteam but even then, time has to be spent on a military base. Most Turkish males respect their military service as a duty to Turkey.

    The country’s borders adjoin states which are not friendly to Turkey. That’s why Turkey has the 4th largest standing army in the world.

    Erdogan’s agenda is to make Turkey more Islamist. He has relentlessly deprived the army of its constitutional powers, crippled the Judiciary and welcomed Saudi cash to supply remote villages with radical Islamist mosques and schools. Erdogan has progressively taken more and more power to rule to himself and is now a virtual Dictator, having removed the power to oppose Dictatorship by gagging the press, prosecuting and jailing lawyers and academics and crushing the army.

    This is NOT the leader we need for a modern Turkey.

    We hear in the Western press about those who died in the recent coup but what about the many dissidents he wiped out before the coup and his avowal that he will reintroduce the death penalty to punish the estimated 7,000 people now in Turkish jails he’s imprisoned?

    We are all familiar with the concept of army takeovers being right wing but the Turkish army has always been liberal and left of centre.

    I watched the attempted coup all night on TV and my hopes that Turkey could get back to a proper democracy were disappointed when the coup was foiled and I fear for my eminent journalist friends there who are probably now in prison. I;ve tried to phone them but straight to voicemail.

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  16. chad99999 July 24, 2016 at 11:46 PM #

    @Victor

    You are a good example of what’s wrong with most people in the Western world.
    You want a coup in Turkey so the country can get back to a proper democracy? Who are you to define what democracy should mean in Turkey?
    Erdogan has been in power for over a decade because he keeps winning elections even though German, French, British and Italian elites hate him and have used their influence to undermine his regime. His appeal is to less affluent Turks who live outside the biggest cities. The overwhelming majority of the country’s population want an Islamic state, not the “modern” secularism favored by you and your friends in Istanbul and Ankara. Respect the arithmetic of one man one vote.

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  17. Pachamama July 25, 2016 at 6:55 AM #

    @ Chad999999999

    On these points we can agree.

    Whereas the opposition parties hold (held) a more sensible foreign policy, that those aims could be achieved through Erdogan should not be dismissed.

    Moreover, on the matter of coups the major opposition parties are with the government. And they were from the time they learnt about the coup.

    Separately:

    What we have to do it to try to see how a drastically changed foreign policy will mean for us.

    How come officials or former officials from foreign ministries in the Caribbean have no opinions about these matters?

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  18. Pachamama July 25, 2016 at 1:06 PM #

    Obama is a liar!

    Poor fellow, he as the mascot for empire, has to come out to make us believe that Satan is God.

    Even when the mountain of evidence clearly says that that is a lie.

    That the USA government tried and failed to overthrow Erdogan

    We live in strange times.

    They beg for an other-earthly intervention.

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  19. David July 30, 2016 at 10:44 PM #

    @Pacha

    What is happening, matter still simmering?

    Some 7,000 armed police in heavy vehicles surrounded the Incirlik air base used by NATO forces in Adana in what a Turkish minister called a “security check.” With no official explanation, speculations have arisen about a new coup attempt or VIP visit.

    https://www.rt.com/news/354042-turkish-police-incirlik-nato-coup/

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  20. Pachamama July 31, 2016 at 7:44 AM #

    @ David

    Yes.

    What is playing out is the determination by Erdogan to refashion a relationship with the West constructed over decades.

    And since the days of the USSR the Americans have made Turkey into a satellite state to confront them, control Europe and Asia.

    Now Erdogan is doing a house cleaning. Turkey doesn’t what to be a client state anymore, seemingly.

    In the coming days when Erdogan goes to Moscow a lot more will be revealed.

    Meanwhile, the foreign policy establishment in Washington are on tenterhooks.

    Obama continues to lie in public but in reality they are very worried.

    The BBC, and all these media are influenced by intelligence agencies, on the 21 of July were calling Erdogan ‘ruthless’.

    That was always true but now his ruthlessness is being used against the West and they are indicted of plotting a coup he can be described as such.

    In these “Games of Thrones’ it’s amazing how old empires influence the new, the declining

    The stakes are still high and we imagine all types of negotiations are going on behind the scenes to temper Erdogan’s zeal with real politique

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  21. Colonel Buggy July 31, 2016 at 9:04 PM #

    The Turkish Army appears to be a load of crap anyway. Over the years they seem to have concentrated on numbers rather than quality.
    Imagine 178 Generals , along with a high number of Colonels and other field officers, who could not stage a successful coup, were arrested.
    It only takes a couple of Sandhurst trained fellows, well prepared , to topple most governments,as well as individuals with the determination of Flight Lieutenant Jerry Rawlings.

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  22. Pachamama August 2, 2016 at 4:28 PM #

    @ David:

    If there were any residual doubts as to the mastermind behind the coup, that the West supports terrorism as instruments of and for imperialism Erdogan has left no space about the obvious.

    This is a very significant departure and must mean that the greater project will be to, at least. have a more balance foreign policy or at most a realignment with the Brics.

    http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/08/02/478152/Turkey-Erdogan-West-terror-

    …………..President Recep Tayyip Erdogan accused the West on Tuesday of “supporting terror” in Turkey and backing those who masterminded the abortive coup of July 15.

    During a speech at the Presidential Complex in Ankara, the Turkish president lashed out at the country’s Western allies, saying the failed coup was a “scenario written from outside,” in an apparent reference to the involvement of foreign powers.

    “Unfortunately, the West is supporting terror and standing by the coup plotters.”

    “This coup was not just an event planned from the inside. The actors inside acted out a scenario for a coup written from the outside,” the Turkish president stated.

    The Turkish president had previously hinted at the potential involvement of foreign powers in the coup attempt, but the Tuesday remarks saw some of the strongest allegations raised by him against Turkey’s Western allies. Erdogan also denounced “those who we imagined to be friends.”………………………..

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  23. David August 2, 2016 at 4:35 PM #

    The geopolitics use to be more simple to follow when there was the USSR, USA and (NATO).

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  24. Bush Tea August 2, 2016 at 8:19 PM #

    LOL @ David
    The geopolitics use to be more simple to follow when there was the USSR, USA and (NATO)
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    New times….
    The REAL players in the game know full well that time is short …and are pulling out all the stops… Most of us do not even understand the game being played …or what is at stake…
    Look for even more complexities ….even more chaos ….even more madness …as zero hour draws near..

    The problem is that the fight is NOT one of flesh and blood (human issues which would follow our regular rules of war and of rational thinking), but of principalities and powers (SPIRITUAL ISSUES related to the very reason that mankind was created in the first place) that few of us understand ..or are even AWARE of…

    TOTAL CONFUSION…will reign.

    The best analogy would be like trying to imagine how animals in the Mekong Delta jungle of Vietnam would have rationalised the conduct of Vietnam war, …carpet bombing and agent orange included …. from THEIR natural, limited, animalistic perspective.

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  25. Pachamama August 7, 2016 at 6:41 PM #

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  26. Pachamama August 9, 2016 at 6:31 AM #

    David

    Erdogan in Moscow today, as promised

    The Game is up.

    We are now satisfied that the coup, like they say in diplomatic circle, gave rise to ‘a re-balancing of relations’

    This whole ‘smart war’ strategy by Obama has led to the lost of the Great Game – the fight for Central Asia.

    It’s the beginning of the end for Western global dominance!

    Erdogan is satisfied that he can never trust the West and he intends to turn his back on them.

    Of course, we can expect other vicious intrigues by Western intelligence agencies

    they will not give up a centuries old ambition easily

    to insist on hegemony in the region will mean not covert but overt wars

    and confronting Russia

    And any WW111 scenario must now mean confronting Russia

    Some say we are already in a WW111 scenario

    Russia has shown that it will not back down

    That it will not allow the West to surround them, make their nuclear arsenal ineffective by stationing nuclear capable ‘defensive’ missiles in Poland and Slovakia.

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  27. Pachamama August 9, 2016 at 7:12 AM #

    St. Petersburg

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  28. David August 9, 2016 at 7:46 AM #

    The geographical machinations in the ME!

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