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The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – The Quirk of Democracy

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Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge. Isaac Asimov

I suppose that there is much to be said for a referendum as being highly representative of the democratic process. After all, it entails a direct decision of the majority of the electorate without the overt constraint or influence of the party whip, notional or otherwise, and usually on a matter of their governance. But, as Captain Hutt’s famous dictum concerning the woman in the bikini, while that which the process reveals may be interesting, what it conceals is vital!

This comment is owed to the outcome of Thursday’s referendum on the continuation of European Union (EU) membership by Britain, a result that ended in victory for those who clamoured for Britain’s departure from the grouping under the rubric of “Brexit” –or British exit. This development has prompted the resignation of the British Prime Minister, Mr David Cameron, itself a denouement that is as logical as it is surprising.

Logical, because Mr Cameron was in the vanguard of those who championed the vote that Britain should remain as part of the EU and as he put it, “ the country requires fresh leadership to take it in its new direction…” Admittedly, in spite of the inherent chameleon-like adaptation of the political view seemingly to suit any circumstance, it does appear patently incongruous for the newly exited jurisdiction to be led by someone who had expressly staked his political future on the country taking a different path.

Surprising, nevertheless, because it was just over one year ago that Mr Cameron assumed the Prime Ministership of the UK with a handy parliamentary majority. Could an electorate be so fickle as to change its collective mind as to the direction in which the nation should go? The recent referendum might suggest a “yes” answer to that query; in other words, an assertion that while we would want you to lead the country, we do not necessarily agree with your every measure. There should be a cautionary tale or in modern-speak, a teachable moment, in this hypothesis for all political leaders.

It may also be part of a larger contemporary theme, what I have chosen to call the quirk of democracy. Sir Winston Churchill is usually credited with the dictum “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others…” This aphorism would resonate with the populist who perceives the project of governance as a straight contest between an endowed political class and a powerless people who struggle mightily against the odds to eke out an existence.

Nevertheless, it masks the fact that too much democracy may itself mutate into tyranny and political anomie. For example, a report in yesterday’s Washington Post informs us that many British people were on Thursday evening frantically “googling” what the EU is, mere hours after voting to leave it. This caricature is symptomatic of many modern democratic choices where the popular lemming-like instinct to follow some herd rather than to undertake the essential civic discipline of seeking knowledge and thinking for oneself on an issue appears to predominate.

It is scarcely surprising therefore that Mr Donald Trump, the controversial presumptive Republican nominee for the upcoming presidential election in the US, confessed to loving the “poorly educated”. It would have been erroneous to read this simply as having to do entirely with academic ability or the lack thereof. Indeed, he was speaking of those who, like him, base their knowledge on what they have heard only- mostly on television- and whose reading is limited to tattler magazines such as the National Enquirer or the World News Daily Report, where it is boasted that all articles are “entirely fictional” and that any resemblance to the truth is “purely a miracle”.

Yet, the modern notion of democracy would accord as much value to such views as to any others. Isaac Asimov disputes this as “false” in the epigraph, but the constitutional reality states otherwise.

In a brilliant essay for the New York Times Magazine in May, Andrew Sullivan advanced the argument, borrowed from Plato’s Republic, that democracy contains the seeds of its own destruction and that democracies end when they become too democratic. According to this provocative thesis, “democracy is a political system of maximal freedom and equality, where every lifestyle is allowed and public offices are filled by a lottery. And the longer a democracy lasted, Plato argued, the more democratic it would become. Its freedoms would multiply; its equality spread. Deference to any sort of authority would wither; tolerance of any kind of inequality would come under intense threat; and multiculturalism and sexual freedom would create a city or a country like “a many-colored cloak decorated in all hues.”

It is this apocalyptic scenario, Sullivan argues, that might account for the stunning early popularity of Trumpism. He continues the nightmare; “as the authority of elites fades, as Establishment values cede to popular ones, views and identities can become so magnificently diverse as to be mutually uncomprehending. And when all the barriers to equality, formal and informal, have been removed; when everyone is equal; when elites are despised and full license is established to do “whatever one wants,” you arrive at what might be called late-stage democracy. There is no kowtowing to authority here, let alone to political experience or expertise”.

When we consider that one of the major casualties of this “end-time” is the establishment politician, the ascendancy of Trumpism in the US and the success of the Brexit campaign in the UK are scarcely cause for surprise. They may in fact be the obverse and inverse of the same coin.

Are there any lessons in this context for Barbados and the rest of the region? Certainly, we are not currently contemplating a Bar-exit from CARICOM, although I do not sense that in such an event there would be much difference in a local result from that on Thursday in Britain.

In any case, CARICOM’s relative weakness as a regulatory entity may be its greatest strength. One of the “Brexiters” beefs was that the European Parliament and Court were seen as intrusively over-regulating local practices. Here, contrastingly, CARICOM is not legislatively competent and the jurisdiction of the regional court, at least in its appellate division, has been ignored so far by more than half of the member states.

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134 Comments on “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – The Quirk of Democracy”

  1. Vincent Haynes June 27, 2016 at 7:29 AM #

    David June 27, 2016 at 7:10 AM #

    Correct……it is not in the interest of any politician to enfranchise us,as they would have nothing to do and be seen to be redundant.

    The BBC has spent the entire morning showing how politicians cannot be trusted as one by one leave MPs are backtracking on the immigration intent,money for NHS,no fall out and how easy it is to negotiate new deals………note the pound presently is at an all time low for 30 odd years at 1.32 vs USD.

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  2. pieceuhderockyeahright June 27, 2016 at 7:55 AM #

    @ Mr Haynes

    As with all my submissions this is purely speculation

    To kill the president of the United Nations takes resolve which is 10 times bigger than balls

    It is like Princess Diana, done in clear light of day, so to speak, and cannot implicate those who do not want the half brother to the British Throne to be an Arab.

    So, in these circumstances one must see the why.

    He sends out a letter to the world asking for money for his defence in a matter that implicates a billionaire.

    Several persons who are implicated in the same scandal plead guilty and he is next to be tried and convicted, given the unassailable amount of evidence.

    He broadcasts his predicament which is like a veiled threat, I need money to the ears of the possible source of the infelicities and for that he gets a dumbbell

    Pure speculation solely predicated by a Hollywood indoctrination like the gas leak on the Singapore airlines flight earlier today and the excluded engine which 222 passengers survived fortunately

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  3. pieceuhderockyeahright June 27, 2016 at 8:16 AM #

    @ Well Well and Consequences

    Many of my detractors here (by many I mean legion) have said that my “not one effing seat” meme is pure BLP propaganda

    Now you dun know that de ole man ent no BLP ite but I does still get lump together with them cause I am saying that it will be a clean slate.

    This quirk of Democracy and the astounding results of the Brexit should inform many what real or imagined discontent does even in the face of reason far less an inept government.

    Barring Mia M biting out, or reputed to bite out, or promoting the biting out of another female part, she will be PM.

    Oh I forgot death or The Rapture

    Look both sides are known to be corrupt but, you see inept, Fumbling & Corrupt? bajans ent going fuh dat.

    This is not going to be no quirk or oddity, Fumbles and he crew going home and no sort of iPad giveaways underwritten by Cost u More or housing bribes to poor people going save dem scvunt

    People going tek de iPad and de NHC house and vote dem out

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  4. Well Well & Consequences June 27, 2016 at 9:01 AM #

    Lol..Piece…Bajans better watch whats playing out in the UK woth the deceitful politicians and break fah deself…lol

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-what-is-eu-referendum-petition-david-cameron-a7105596.html

    Here is the newly resigned Cameron saying one thing.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-boris-johnson-banks-economy-rbs-barclays-consequences-project-fear-latest-news-a7105311.html

    And the prime minister in waiting, the dumb blonde saying another..both are quite adept at speaking out of both sudes of their mouth….at the same time.

    Bajans better focus on growing their own food, saving their money and keeping the money wuthin their population, buy food, poultry, vegetable, fruits, eggs…as much as they can, from each otherm curculate the money between each other and build an empire…ignore the jealous minded few, ya cant get rid of them…but brek fuh yaself.

    Leave Fruendel. ..chair of Caricom….to wait on UK while EU and UK make their back room deals which has nothing to do with the idiot Fruendel since he will never be invited and never know the content…neither will it have anything to do with the Caribbean, unless it can be unknowingly used.

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  5. David June 27, 2016 at 9:07 AM #

    @PUDRYR

    Donville will win his seat if elections were called tomorrow along with a few others Let us be realistic.

    Do forget that politicians dance to the beat of those who gather in smoke filled rooms. To condemn politicians alone is myopic.

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  6. Well Well & Consequences June 27, 2016 at 9:10 AM #

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/barclays-rbs-halts-trading-eu-referendum-brexit-ftse-100-stock-market-a7105196.html

    For all those who are hiding their money stolen from taxpayers, gun running and drug running money…laundered money…all secreted away in the UK…ha-ha.

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  7. Well Well & Consequences June 27, 2016 at 9:21 AM #

    And the british bloggers are doing dixie…..lol

    Dumbville only won his seat last time because he called for reinforcements when he saw he was losing,..read the bribe money to buy votes that Fruendel and Adriel told the world they saw…and did nothing.

    “Hang on a minute. The referendum result is not legally binding whichever way it went. As far as I am aware it is supposed to be an ‘advisory’ and as such needs debate in parliament before a final decision is made – even if the outcome is a foregone conclusion.

    Sorry – I forgot – our constitution doesn’t matter does it.

    So Cameron has come out of hiding now has he? Where are the rest of the chimps? We already know where chimp Boris is of course – but the rest?
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    5 minutes ago
    pavlovs canine

    Now Mervin king has insisted the treasury wind back their wild false predictions pre referendum, and Wall St. is usurping Obamas back of the Queue statement and insisting they advance trading negotiations.
    Now, the petition lovers on this forum were reasoning that they were lied to, as reason to request a revote.

    Well its all very revealing now just how much rubbish was spouted from the the other side.
    Not only did the leavers have enough nouse to consider it all , they did deeper research as to the real issue with the EU and its fiddling and anti democratic stance.

    Juncker won’t last much longer …… they are all starting to circle.
    Things are looking pretty stable with this vote now so you remainers, either send yourself crazy with the continuing vitriol, bigotry and small mindedness that you accused all the leavers of , or get the hell on board.

    I remain very impressed that even though the scare tactics still carry the leavers hold fast.
    Freedom is not free …. no one ever said that.
    I think the realisation that if another referendum takes place it will have the very polarised dynamic of a clear vote for democracy being rolled over in to tyranny or the clear route to democracy ….. ”
    Be careful what you wish for remainers.
    One thing we all have to do is keep Blair out of this .
    Maybe that task will bond us all again.
    Cameron knows there would be riots if he tried it on and that would be his legacy Its already a bad one.
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    7 minutes ago
    sgszeta
    How dare you Mr Cameron lead us into this disastrous situation and then desert the ship you have run aground (to use your sad analogy), while your ‘passengers’ are in danger of ‘drowning’…

    Man-up for gods sake!

    Stop hiding and feeling sorry for yourself.

    Initiate a parliamentary bill to debate whether or not to implement the (doubtful) preferences indicated by the referendum….. this is a decision for parliament to take, they are the law makers, not the general population.”

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  8. ac June 27, 2016 at 9:21 AM #

    PDYR. You have made two predictions both of which would not see the light of day. Trump has out trumped himself the past events in Britain does not show a britain on a fast track of helping the disenfranchise or poor but a britain on a fast track of dislocation and the poor either having to pull themselves up by the boot straps or fleeing the country seeking greener pastures as social,and economical as well as political upheaveal raise its ugly head .The transition would be difficult with the poor getting the brunt.This is not good news for Trump and the american people have already taken their que fromvthe fallout and not from Trump
    Beliving that Mia would benefit from the brixit is folly as Mia has a blp baggage with would haunt and dogg her political future which she is accountable to the voters .furthermore just like many of those that Mia had crticised and judge for eating off the trough of privilege so has also done same and will be rightfully remided as voters make their ongoing decisions on matters pertaining to character and leadership
    Barbados and britains politics are two different ball games last time i checked i never noticed an influx of unfethered immigrants awash on our shores PDYR time to get off your seat. Do not get all that has happened across the globe all twisted in your feeble mind as gainsake for Mia or Trump.Never gonna happen

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  9. Hopi June 27, 2016 at 9:43 AM #

    And David Cameron to the world: Assad has to go, the Syrian dictator has to go! Vraiment? When his masters called his arse to the Floor and chastised him for his incompetence in not being able to deliver, he just remembered that “when you did one hole for me did one for yaself too” Assad must be laughing at the Cartel’s little Errand Boy. Jokers!

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  10. Hopi June 27, 2016 at 9:44 AM #

    ‘DIG’

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  11. Well Well & Consequences June 27, 2016 at 10:21 AM #

    AC pimps…is Fruendel still waiting for UK to invite him over to tell him what to do….let him wait, i hope it’s you and him and you lot of useless politicians, political pimps, yardfowls and parasites end up in shackles and chains…lol

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  12. pieceuhderockyeahright June 27, 2016 at 10:30 AM #

    @ AC

    Good morning to you all.

    Trump? I did not speak about trump and Brexit

    Nor did I speak of Mia and Brekit purposely misspelled.

    The substantive top is referendum which I extrapolated against vote/general election.

    You and I often get tied up in Mia’s baggage and sexual exploits but what the referendum should inform on is how a people who are saying “enough is enough” will shift radically irrespective of what is logical or reasonable.

    I call Mottly Prime Minister by Default since it is not because she will win it is because the incumbents will loose.

    Have you or anyone else seen or heard any exploits of the LoE ? She has become like Billie, squeaky clean and keeping that aspect of things out of the public eye considering how we bajans are quick to castigate a feller for biting out a ting.

    It is in the absence of having good governance the default position will be the shoe in of the opposition.

    @ the Honourable Blogmaster

    Sweet Boy Leroy Sisnett was one BLP Minister who got people in his constituency nuff jobs yet Brathwaite, an incompetent replacement swept him out like the backdraft of a riptide

    Donville going have to have the Lord as his campaign manager cause he dun gone

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  13. David June 27, 2016 at 11:09 AM #

    @PUDRYR

    Have you observed the work Donville has been doing in his constituency? He has been working very hard.

    Regarding the volatility in the financial markets this will correct with time. It is expected markets in the circumstances will be in the state it is in.

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  14. Well Well & Consequences June 27, 2016 at 11:20 AM #

    A very entertaining take on Brexit.

    http://ow.ly/7p8Z301G9c2

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  15. Vincent Haynes June 27, 2016 at 11:22 AM #

    Chuckle…..read all about the unravelling.

    European diplomats have dismissed claims from Boris Johnson that the UK could negotiate access to the EU single market without obeying any of the rules.

    “You cannot have your cake and eat it,” said an EU diplomat, echoing a phrase the former mayor of London used during the campaign and which looks set to come back to haunt him.

    In a further blow to the leave camp’s credibility, Germany’s leading business group distanced itself from Johnson’s suggestion that German business expected Britain’s free trade with Europe to continue seamlessly………..

    http://gu.com/p/4mmet/fb

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  16. David June 27, 2016 at 11:24 AM #

    @Vincent

    What do think will happen when the UK leverage the strength it has in the military sector?

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  17. Well Well & Consequences June 27, 2016 at 11:44 AM #

    “A third EU diplomat said the Brexit side had “no clue” what was going on and did not have a plan.

    The Brexit camp’s claims of support from German industry also began unravelling when the country’s leading industry group distanced itself from Johnson’s rose-tinted scenario.”

    Lol…

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  18. Vincent Haynes June 27, 2016 at 12:04 PM #

    David June 27, 2016 at 11:24 AM #

    The military sector is not in good shape……the harsh reality is that UK is a bankrupt country which will go further into debt now……it is a paper tiger,which is why the EU membership was a must.

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  19. David June 27, 2016 at 12:37 PM #

    @Vincent

    It is in better shape than the others no?

    Have you listed to Governor Carney and also what Exchequer Osborne have had to say?

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  20. ac June 27, 2016 at 12:45 PM #

    Pdyr check your older comments on the subject of Brexit on another blog you made an anology to the Brexit outcome being in similarty to Trump political mouthings in America as one of making Trump president

    WW&C dont you get tired of repeating the same constipated shit .u are in dire need of wash out.

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  21. Vincent Haynes June 27, 2016 at 1:58 PM #

    David June 27, 2016 at 12:37 PM #

    As you are aware the UK has a spiralling debt a bit like Bim,they were hoping prior to brexits win to have RBS&Lloyds banks looking healthy to sell of their shares.

    After Osbornes pep talk today those banks fell by around 30% in value and the pound dropped to 1.32………..you tell me what in better shape means to you.

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  22. David June 27, 2016 at 2:05 PM #

    @Vincent

    Are you aware that unlike Barbados England reduce the deficit from 11% to 3%?

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  23. Vincent Haynes June 27, 2016 at 2:55 PM #

    David June 27, 2016 at 2:05 PM #

    ……..the facts are that Moodys on friday and S&P today have downgraded them,their debt levels are riseing presently and the pound is dropping,this will continue when Ireland&Scotland start to pull out,moreso when the EU members refuse to give them a seat at the single market table a la the meeting today with Italy,France&Germany,etc,etc……..it is looking bleak.

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  24. Donna June 27, 2016 at 2:58 PM #

    Pieces is correct. That’s exactly what I meant when I said last week that it will be difficult to get Barbadians off their backsides to protest because most of them can now afford comfortable chairs. We have been given enough to make us wonder if it is worth our while to fight for more.

    It is also quite true that we have been educated just enough to believe what we have learnt but not enough to question it. Those free-spirited enough to question have to be prepared for the backlash of “madman” labeling which will occur both from the teacher and the other students. Most people parrot the saying that “Fifty million Frenchmen cannot be wrong.” But if we really thought about it we would realize that they can be and have quite often been. Progress has always come out of the minds of madmen who could see beyond what they had been taught.

    I myself agree with Churchill that democracy with all its weaknesses is still the best system we have. Perfect government is beyond man in his current state. So while I believe Plato is correct in his prediction of democracy’s end path I believe when such chaos arises true leaders will emerge who will again with the peoples’ consent (because they eventually discover they don’t like chaos) restore order for a while until the cycle starts again.

    We cannot cede all power to make decisions to any group, intelligentsia or otherwise because history has shown that man’s intelligence is often overpowered by his selfishness and therefore decisions will be made in the interests of those who decide. Even limited democracy such as we have in Barbados where after elections all decisions are made by the elected end up where we are now with the masses oppressed and the minority enjoying the fruits of the majority labour. At this stage the masses become disenchanted with authority and if they become disenchanted enough they arise and there is the inevitable chaos for a while. This is the cycle we will be trapped in until there is an intervention from outside. (My belief)

    And so the cycle continues until… But in the meantime-

    “Give me [ real democracy] or give me death!”

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  25. Well Well & Consequences June 27, 2016 at 3:14 PM #

    AC..pimps, yall going the way of Brexit….lol

    I know ya cant take it.

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  26. David June 27, 2016 at 3:24 PM #

    @Vincent

    Ireland and Scotland cannot ‘pullout’ form the Kingdom just so. They have to apply for membership in the EU but first the parliament of England have to approve because as a unitary state this is the authority England has over Wales, N.Ireland and Scotland. Bear in mind if the EU accepts membership from the three there is Spain to manage.

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  27. Vincent Haynes June 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM #

    S&P said ‪#‎Brexit‬ could lead to “a deterioration of the UK’s economic performance”.

    http://bbc.in/295BFp1

    David June 27, 2016 at 3:24 PM #

    The point is that while the grass is growing(i.e. negotiations with EU and discussions with Ireland and Scotland) the Cow is starving(Investor confidence is suffering,deals will be delayed untill agreements are reached)……time is of the essence…….both parties have to get their acts together in a hurry as elections are looming before year end.

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  28. Vincent Haynes June 27, 2016 at 3:35 PM #

    The European Union will not hold informal talks with the UK until it triggers Article 50 to leave, Germany, France and Italy have insisted.

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel hosted talks with French President Francois Hollande and Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi in Berlin.

    The leaders called for a “new impulse” to strengthen the EU.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36644211

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  29. Observing June 27, 2016 at 3:39 PM #

    @pudryr

    you seem to be reading the wrong tea leaves.

    just observing

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  30. Gabriel June 27, 2016 at 3:54 PM #

    John Oliver and his Brexit aftermath

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  31. de pedantic Dribbler. June 27, 2016 at 3:58 PM #

    @David June 27, 2016 at 3:24 PM reasonable men and women can argue that Scotland should rightly be given special status to remain in the EU because of their current status as a member who has been derailed from the union through no fault of their own.

    But of course as you said the British parliament has to approve their secession/Independence.

    And the question then has to be answered why or how can the Brits refuse Scotland’s request to leave when they themselves were able to exercise their free will.

    Democracy and anarchy…back to that we go.

    Brexit could become the ideal case study for the perfect MBA course project paper on Management: The Importance of Strategic and Effective Decision Making.

    This is a whopper of a poorly thought out action!!!

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  32. Vincent Haynes June 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM #

    Listen to Scotland on this video.

    “We have no intention whatsoever of seeing Scotland taken out of Europe.”

    Scottish National Party (SNP)’s Angus Robertson says that he refuses to be part of a “diminished little Britain”.

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  33. Hants June 27, 2016 at 4:13 PM #

    De gamblers gettin brek.

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/27/investing/barclays-rbs-stock-suspended-brexit/

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  34. pieceuhderockyeahright June 27, 2016 at 4:54 PM #

    @ AC

    I see what you mean as per the Donald and my comments.

    I have to admit that I do not have too much admiration for the man.

    My grandfather used to say “that man is so stupid if you were to transplant his brain in a blackbird it will fly backwards”

    But having said that I fear the lemmings syndrome that the majority of the US population represents.

    @ Observing

    Discernment by tea leaves used to be a proper job in Rasputin times lolol.

    There are intrinsically more DLP supporters in Barbados than BLP and or should I say AND more of them believe and have drunken deeply from the jug of cool aid that advocates that the DLP is for the average man.

    You are from the “timbre or your tone” as if a man can see through writings, not a Q in the community man, nor a fellow wh frequents Banks Limes or the Guiness Rumshp hours and the five banks for the price of fours.

    Relief for we poor people comes in 20 banks, soberly shared out between your drinking buddies.

    Let de ole man give you a lesson in poverty in de ghetto.

    When things tight you doan left the Johnny Walker bottle without tightening the cap and a guard gets posted buy the unfinished bottles of Alleyne Arthur

    Chicken wing portions being sold decrease and the price increases.

    Pretty girls stand up with their bittle dry all night while men drinking their selfish beers and not offering a looker a drink DEM is my tea leaves of poverty in and among the people who going vote Donville out.

    What you and the rest of the passers by see is not whu a gwan in we ghetto, it rough my man, it rough.

    Go into Mia Mottley constituency office and sit down a day go int the opposition party’s offices and what you see/hear there is the actuality of a people, tired with the empty promises of the party in power, using their street smarts an going to the opposition party’s offices and tacitly saying “I went to the other efforts and the could not hep me, now I heah”

    “If you give me a job I going vote for you”

    Dat is my tea leaves my man

    De DLP gone and going lef you to ruminate pun which Q in de community you feel safe to go to befo 6p.m. And de gun shots to test de ole man ramblings.

    “Eyes Wide Shut”

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  35. Well Well & Consequences June 27, 2016 at 4:55 PM #

    Here is a lesson for us all …what don’t happen in 800 years can happen in a nanosecond….mankind’s fantasies and delusions of grandeur can only stretch so far and no further.

    The leaders who have intelligence sees this is as plain as day and will move forward to real progress, the idiots will wait to see what UK does, UK don’t know what to do but they will break fir themselves.

    ……Scotland and Ireland needs to stay with EU..well away from UK, but they have to fight, but it’s a fight which will be well worth it. As it stands UK has way too many fires to put out.

    ACs and Alvin…what’s Fruendel doing, still waiting…lol

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  36. pieceuhderockyeahright June 27, 2016 at 5:00 PM #

    Not efforts I typed effers steupseee dis IPad getting me tired

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  37. Gabriel June 27, 2016 at 6:30 PM #

    David Cameron gambled and lost.The pound sterling is at its lowest peg in 32 years,against the US dollar.The United Kingdom is about to break up,Moody’s,S&P and now Fitch have all downgraded the economic outlook of the U.K. and Iceland put England out of the European Cup.Both Cameron’s and Hodgson’s ships are sinking.
    There is a way out.Cameron can dissolve parliament and call new elections.The new government can ignore the referendum and life with the EU continues.Lessons will be learnt in all the EU.When you allow a referendum to determine a fundamental issue like maintaining a Federal Government or membership in a Common Union of like minded States,forget the referendum.The lumpen proletariat,which is usually the majority do not know a right decision from a wrong one.Sometimes an attractive candidate or the colour of a currency note,or an iPad,a radio,a smartphone or brand name gear,might sway an outcome that is the determinant of life or death for development decisions and a country’s prosperity.

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  38. Observing June 27, 2016 at 6:33 PM #

    @pudryr
    While I agree with lofty lyrics of libation and poetic prose on poverty the realities of an electorate the likes of which elected Trump and Brexited Cameron tells me that nothing is written in stone nor can familiarity and fickleness be underestimated.

    Had “we” a stronger opposition. I may wax solemnly with you on the demise of DEM but alas those on the other side are too BEEtwixt, BEEtween and BEEwitched for my leaves to encircle Mi Amor with any confidence.

    Tis a long time before the bell tolls. Time will thus tell the tall tale then.

    Just observing

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  39. David June 27, 2016 at 6:36 PM #

    @PUDRYR

    An indication how well positioned is Donville is to answer the following question. Has anybody been canvassing the constituency on behalf of the BLP?

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  40. ac June 27, 2016 at 6:44 PM #

    Britian is in hot doo next a race war on the horizon.News out of the BBC seems to be getting worse for Britain. Who would reign in the mad horse now it is out of the barn.plenty feathers flying. Investors futures on all to time low .credit rating agencies using the black pen.people asking what next

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  41. ac June 27, 2016 at 6:55 PM #

    A rise in racism

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36634786

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  42. Georgie Porgie June 27, 2016 at 7:11 PM #

    lofty lyrics of libation and poetic prose on poverty

    GOOD ALITTERATION!

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  43. balance June 27, 2016 at 7:19 PM #

    “Surprising, nevertheless, because it was just over one year ago that Mr Cameron assumed the Prime Ministership of the UK with a handy parliamentary majority. Could an electorate be so fickle as to change its collective mind as to the direction in which the nation should go? The recent referendum might suggest a “yes” answer to that query; in other words, an assertion that while we would want you to lead the country, we do not necessarily agree with your every measure. ”

    Surprising to me as well because I did not view the outcome of the referendum as a test of his mandate to lead the country. True he has only himself to blame for the pickle in which he finds himself having resurrected an issue about which the British electorate was prepared to grumble but bear.

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  44. Exclaimer June 27, 2016 at 7:24 PM #

    This is why so many people in the UK have lost faith in politics. A coup is being planned against the current leader of the main oppostion party by his fellow MP’S. Two thirds of his shadow cabinet bench have just resigned.

    Never mind that this man was given the biggest ever mandate of any Labour leader in history to lead his party.

    Yes, we are living in a very interesting period.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36638041

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  45. Well Well & Consequences June 27, 2016 at 7:46 PM #

    ACs…yall starting to be afraid, then ya better be careful they dont get up the nerve to go down to the Caribbean and tell ya go back to Africa.., yall like kissing ass in Barbadod so anything can play.., brace for more.

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  46. Sargeant June 27, 2016 at 9:34 PM #

    @Gabriel
    There is a way out.Cameron can dissolve parliament and call new elections.
    ++++++++++
    Not gonna happen, Cameron has already declared that he is leaving any attempt to dissolve Parliament would be seen as a naked grab to retain power.

    Cameron is out, the front runners for the job are Boris and Theresa May.

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  47. Sargeant June 27, 2016 at 9:49 PM #

    @David
    Have you listed to Governor Carney and also what Exchequer Osborne have had to say?
    +++++++++
    There is a phrase for that is called ”whistling past the graveyard”.

    BTW if Boris becomes PM Carney is out, he was on the “Remain” side and the PM will not have a Gov of the Bank of England with such a fundamental difference in economic approach, also Carney is seen as a creature of Osbourne another “Remain” politician. Carney is Canadian who came to the job from the Bank of Canada and it is easy to jettison a Colonial.

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  48. Gabriel June 27, 2016 at 9:52 PM #

    Sargeant
    There is another possibility according to the constitutional experts…..

    http://standard.co.uk/news/politics/it-s-not-over-yet-top-legal-expert-says-brexit-vote-has-no-force-whatsoever-and-mps-will-try-to-a-3282071.html

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  49. Hants June 27, 2016 at 10:11 PM #

    Sealy stated that although the United Kingdom (UK) is Barbados’ biggest source market, “that is the case now, it was the case last week, and it will be the case next week, whether they are part of the EU or not”.

    Then there is this more measured but logical opinion.

    ““Every aspect of Caribbean life will be adversely affected by this development; from trade relations to immigration, tourism to financial relations and cultural engagements to foreign policy,” Sir Hilary said in a media release yesterday.

    “There will be a significant redefinition and reshaping of CARICOM -UK engagements. The region’s fragile economic recovery is threatened,” he said further.”

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  50. Bush Tea June 27, 2016 at 10:40 PM #

    LOL @ Hants
    Bushie was wondering if it was Sealy who briefed Froon for his CBC interview on Friday. Sealy was saying the same shiite about how basically nothing has changed – and ‘we will monitor the situation and respond as needed’.

    Respond shiite!! ….they will probably hire Maloney and Bizzy via a BOLT project, to build a road to London so that their ‘long-term regulars’ could just walk over…
    ….another $100M down the drain..

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  51. Well Well & Consequences June 28, 2016 at 6:02 AM #

    http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2016/06/27/what-fallout/

    Sealy is a jackass, he knows why he is lying. Listening to lying politicians got UK people in that mess. The pound is falling to the US dollar…that never happens, people do not travel in times of uncertainty.

    The same lying government ministers told bajans that the worldwide recession could not affect that is despite the credit rating agencies and IMF repeatedly warning to the contrary…just see how that turned out.

    Do not listen to politicians. People in the Caribbean now have to be mindful and very vigilant…particularly in Barbados, that these same lying politicians dont sell them into something worse than slavery, it is not beneath them, they would sell their mamas.

    Selling out their people and waiting on the UK is the only thing black politicians know…ask Fruendel.

    Do not listen to politicians.

    Do not trust politicians.

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  52. Well Well & Consequences June 28, 2016 at 6:16 AM #

    “22 minutes ago

    Farage tells MEPs they have mostly “never done a day’s work in their lives”

    Nigel Farage has spoken at the special session of the European Parliament. He appealed to MEPs for a “grown up” approach to Britain’s vote to leave, while also taking great joy in insulting his colleagues.

    At one point in his speech, the Ukip leader suggested a failure to reach a new trade agreement would hurt the EU more than it would hurt Britain – at which point his fellow MEPs openly laughed at him.

    Here is the full transcript of what Mr Farage had to say:

    You all laughed at me – well I have to say, you’re not laughing now, are you. The reason you’re so upset, you’re so angry, has been perfectly clear, from all the angry exchanges this morning.

    You as a political project are in denial. You’re in denial that your currency is failing. Just look at the Mediterranean!
    As a policy to impose poverty on Greece and the Mediterranian you’ve done very well.

    You’re in denial over Mrs Merkel’s call for as many people as possible to cross the Mediterranean – which has led to massive divisions between within countries and between countries.

    The biggest problem you’ve got and the main reason the UK voted the way it did is because you have by stealth and deception, and without telling the truth to the rest of the peoples of Europe, you have imposed upon them a political union.

    When the people in 2005 in the Netherlands and France voted against that political union and rejected the constitution you simply ignored them and brought the Lisbon treaty in through the back door.

    What happened last Thursday was a remarkable result – it was a seismic result. Not just for British politics, for European politics, but perhaps even for global politics too.

    Because what the little people did, what the ordinary people did – what the people who’d been oppressed over the last few years who’d seen their living standards go down did – was they rejected the multinationals, they rejected the merchant banks, they rejected big politics and they said actually, we want our country back, we want our fishing waters back, we want our borders back.

    We want to be an independent, self-governing, normal nation. That is what we have done and that is what must happen. In doing so we now offer a beacon of hope to democrats across the rest of the European continent. I’ll make one prediction this morning: the United Kingdom will not be the last member state to leave the European Union.

    The question is what do we do next? It is up to the British government to invoke article 50 and I don’t think we should spend too long in doing it. I totally agree that the British people have voted, we need to make sure that it happens.

    What I’d like to see is a grownup and sensible attitude to how we negotiate a different relationship. I know that virtually none of you have never done a proper job in your lives, or worked in business, or worked in trade, or indeed ever created a job. But listen, just listen.

    You’re quite right Mr Schultz – Ukip used to protest against the establishment and now the establishment protests against Ukip. Something has happened here. Let us listen to some simple pragmatic economics – my country and your country, between us we do an enormous amount of business in goods and services.

    That trade is mutually beneficial to both of us, that trade matters. If you were to cut off your noses to spite your faces and reject any idea of a sensible trade deal the consequences would be far worse for you than it would be for us.

    [Laughter from MEPs]

    Even no deal is better for the United Kingdom is better than the current rotten deal that we’ve got. But if we were to move to a position where tariffs were reintroduced on products like motorcars then hundreds of thousands of German works would risk losing their jobs.

    Why don’t we be grown up, pragmatic, sensible, realistic and let’s cut between us a sensible tariff-free deal and thereafter recognise that the United Kingdom will be your friend, that we will trade with you, cooperate with you, we will be your best friends in the world.”

    And am sure they will enslave you if they see themselves going to broke, yhen they will see themselves as the best slave masters in the world, be careful of the politicians, do not trust politicians. .

    Do that, do it sensibly, and allow us to go off and pursue our global ambitions and future.

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  53. pieceuhderockyeahright June 28, 2016 at 9:01 AM #

    @ observing

    I too endorse your use of and pertinence with your alliteration

    I just came back here and read all the intervening comments to make sure I got them all

    That was indeed a low blow using what I constantly say about the BLP against me.

    I concur that they are equally bereft of the skills necessary to run our country but I will borrow this line from the UKIP leader

    “Because what the little people did, what the ordinary people did – what the people who’d been oppressed over the last few years who’d seen their living standards go down did …”

    While I am stating the obvious per the universal similarities in five year tenures, what I am relying heavily on is what I see people doing when given the chance to change? Their perceived oppressors.

    In responding I would extend my cliche? answer and hypothesis to you to include the Honourable Blogmaster and submit that based on the prevalent state of disgruntled citizens island wide, BLP canvassing, while not so overtly evident in Donville s constituency, really, for now, does hot have to be employed because people are under serious pressure and if the BLP goes out there openly they are going to have to pull their pockets now, as opposed to when the bell rings

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  54. David June 28, 2016 at 9:10 AM #

    @PUDRYR

    You are wrong. There is no interest in St.James South because the BLP has surrendered the seat.

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  55. pieceuhderockyeahright June 28, 2016 at 3:36 PM #

    @ Honourable Blogmaster

    I once recall a resident in Bush Hall saying “dem cud run a dog through heah, we gine vote it in”

    It is true that we have to wait until the Bell Rings to know what these fellers going do, i.e. the opposition, but as it relates to the general ambience among Bajans, one does not have to go too far to hear what is being said.

    And one does not need to be a rocket scientist to extrapolate what that is going to mean.

    But time, not tea leaves will tell.

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  56. Well Well & Consequences June 28, 2016 at 4:14 PM #

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/82382/barbados-near-debt-darkness

    The lying government ministers are not saying a word about this…not one word.

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  57. Colonel Buggy June 28, 2016 at 9:35 PM #

    Mia has chided the Prime Ministers over his remarks relating to the worrying gun issue in Barbados, that “guns do not fly and guns do not swim”
    The Prime Minister is in a prime position to comment on the inability to Fly or to Swim…………….being a Lame Duck Prime Minister himself.

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  58. Well Well & Consequences June 29, 2016 at 7:01 AM #

    Donna…this should answer your question whether acceptance of liability was given in writing or not or if in wtiting can be ignored. They did offer a settlement, but knowing how some very nasty lawyers operate on the island and she has had 6 of them, I suspect either some or all of the other 5 did what they usually do, make sure they were the ones benefited from her injury, am sure most if not all of them or now dead.

    Adriel Brathwaite should not get one seat in the elections regardless of how many votes he buys, voters should be jntelligent enough to see that both governments would do the same to any citizen or noncitizen who got injured on the island, as they have been doing for decades.

    “Not our fault
    AG insists Gov’t not liable to ailing nurse

    Added by Neville Clarke on June 29, 2016.
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    Government is not liable and therefore cannot be forced to pay any compensation to injured former Queen Elizabeth Hospital nurse Coral Wilkinson.

    However, Attorney General Adriel Brathwaite reminded today the Solicitor General’s Office was prepared to make an “ex gratia payment” to Wilkinson, who fell down a flight of stairs in the antenatal clinic in April 1981 and sustained a slipped disc in her neck and damage to the bone in the lower back which supports her body weight.

    It’s the latest in the near 35-year long battle between Government and the ailing former medical professional.

    Brathwaite spoke briefing to Barbados TODAY on the matter during the luncheon break of today’s sitting of Parliament after Wilkinson’s failed attempt last week to get an audience there with either the AG or Prime Minister Freundel Stuart, complaining that her case was simply dragging on for way too long and she had now reached the end of her tether.

    However, the Attorney General, who is named in a lawsuit which Wilkinson filed against the State a year after her injury, reiterated that even though Government did not accept liability, the former nurse was still offered a sum of money so she could go to England and have the required surgery.

    When the matter was first raised with him last December, Brathwaite had also noted that Wilkinson, through her attorney Sir Richard Cheltenham, QC, had rejected the offer.

    “I see the pain she is going through. I spoke to the attorney and asked him to take a second look at it [the matter of payment] and see how quickly he can get rid of it,” the Attorney General said then.

    It was back in February, 2015 that Crown Counsel Roger Barker, the Government lawyer handling Wilkinson’s case, had written on behalf of Solicitor General Jennifer Edwards offering the injured nurse an ex gratia payment of $145,159.70 for the surgery in the United Kingdom.

    However, Wilkinson’s attorney replied in correspondence dated March 12, 2015 rejecting it on the grounds that the sum offered was insufficient; therefore to accept it was “virtually to condemn her to remaining in her presently helpless condition”.

    Sir Richard’s counter-offer was $400,000, which he contended would cover air travel to and from the UK, accommodation, the expenses of the surgical team, physiotherapy and all other incidentals.

    He argued that Government’s offer did not even cover the cost of the medical team in England whose maximum fee was 33,000 pounds sterling at the time.

    Sir Richard had also asked Government to reconsider its offer, but in a comment on the matter last week the Prime Minister accused the prominent attorney of playing games and of not wanting to see an end to the case.

    Stuart, who confirmed he had listened to the former nurse’s plight as recently as three weeks earlier when she called him at home, said he had first heard of her in 2008 when he served as Attorney General.

    However, the Prime Minister insisted Wilkinson’s lawyer should get a judge to settle the matter.

    “If they are not so happy with the judge’s settlement, appeal it. If they are not happy with what the Court of Appeal says, carry it to the Caribbean Court of Justice. That is how we do business in Barbados.

    “This whole business of not doing anything, or not doing enough, and having her out there believing that somebody has wronged her, or somebody is delinquent in not responding to her [is unfortunate],” Stuart said.

    Sir Richard, who is currently off island, is yet to respond to the Prime Minister and the AG’s latest pronouncements on the matter.

    In the meantime, Wilkinson’s physical health continues to deteriorate. The St Thomas resident said in addition to her mental anguish, in recent months headaches had become a normal part of her existence, while her entire left side was smaller and her right side was getting weaker as she awaited surgery.”

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