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MARIA AGARD Vs. Mia Mottley and Jerome Walcott – The Maria Agard Matter Revisited

In the last report, we merely reported the allegations of Agard contained in her affidavit. We did not comment or editorialize. We also warned that we had not had sight or a bare recitation of any defence filed by the defendants Mottley and Walcott, that allegations of Agard were not proved in a court of law and we now reiterate our invitation to the defendants to provide us with a copy of their pleadings and undertake to publish them with the same prominence as those of Agard.

We deny that in publishing on these matters that we are taking a political position or breaching defamation laws or seeking to conduct a “trial by blog”. This is a matter that the traditional press should have reported as a matter of public interest – and has failed in its duty to so report.

We also want to make it clear that we are not taking any political position, B versus D, but merely giving voice to the concerns of many of the voters of the country who have no political affiliation, and no agendas, other than the well-being of Barbados and their rights.

Trimming the whole matter down to its barest essentials and with the 20/20 vision of hindsight, what have we actually gleaned from Agard’s allegations?

It is established that Agard was voted in as candidate for Christ Church West.

It is established that this met with the approval and support of the then leader of the BLP, Owen Arthur.

It is established that Agard went on to garner the majority of the vote of the constituency of Christ Church West and became its MP.

It is completely irrelevant and immaterial to voters whether a faction of the BLP members in Christ Church West approved of Agard or not. What is relevant is that: the majority of the electorate of Christ Church West are not members of the BLP, but simple voters; Agard, in winning the nomination to stand for Christ Church West, was chosen by the majority of the party membership; and in winning her seat, Agard was proved to have gained the approval of the majority of the voters in her constituency. If, therefore, Agard’s allegations are proved correct and there was indeed a faction of the BLP that sought to undermine her, then it must be concluded that this faction denies and actively works against the whole concept of democracy and by extension, denies the rights and wishes of voters in that constituency. And that is all we the voters need to know or to consider. And if that faction for whatever reasons, which are irrelevant and immaterial to us, found that they could not work with Agard, then their option was to either put up, or shut up and leave, but never to gang up and undermine the democratic process and the wishes of the electorate.

If Agard’s allegations of the roles of Mottley and Walcott are proved by a finding of fact, then they will have conspired to deny the constitutional rights of the constituent electorate, as well as having sought to deny and abrogate the constitution of the BLP and to betray the democratic process.

We are well aware, all of us, that the BLP is a dysfunctional party with a lot of infighting between factions supportive of Mottley and those supportive of Arthur. Arthur himself now sits as an independent, alongside Agard. We are also, all of us, aware that some of this infighting is the subject of legal proceedings, as in Payne vs Hinkson.

So while the BLP, the official opposition, tears itself to pieces in the public domain, we, the electorate, are the ones that suffer as our choice between a lacklustre government and an opposition apparently committed to the political party equivalent of civil war/suicide, does not offer the electorate of Barbados the choice to which we are entitled and that we must now demand of our candidates for Parliament.

Political posturing aside, under Owen Arthur there was a unified BLP, but the rot set in as soon as the BLP lost the last election and Owen Arthur, as is custom, resigned leadership of the party. It was up to his successor, Mottley, to step in and heal the divisions. Indeed, any person stepping in had the obligation to heal the breaches. But to do that, there would have been a necessity for give and take and a leader capable of compromise and accommodation within reason. Too long has passed and the fracture is now a gaping chasm, which suggests that Mottley lacks either the willingness or the capacity (or both) to heal the breaches or is herself leading the demolition. We note that Payne vs Hinkson is still outstanding and no successful mediation had been achieved or, as far as we are aware, even taken place, to resolve this peacefully, quietly and to the benefit of the electorate.

We were also treated to the unedifying spectacle of Owen Arthur, our longest-serving PM, being forced to either resign from the BLP or be expelled. A credible successor would have managed the change-over and diffused the explosive situation quietly and to the benefit of both party and country, not got hung up on a campaign of revenge against her predecessor and all who backed him. Egos that have no respect for the voters is what it comes across as.

Regrettably, this leads to the inevitable conclusion that Mottley is not fit for purpose as leader of the BLP and leader of the opposition and what the BLP has to do now, in the interest and expectation and demand of the electorate, is to find a leader who has the capacity and willingness to heal the breaches and bring it whole and unified into opposition and into the next general election. The electorate will expect no less. And there is time and more to do this, before we go to the polls and are asked to choose between a lacklustre government and a fractured party whose members are fully prepared to dump democracy and the self-evident rights and of voters in the trash can in a mindless rush to replace the present government wild boys feeding at the national trough and personal “supporters”, as opposed to supporters of the country and its voters’ rights.

Agard is merely one instance of the dysfunction of the BLP. A major and historic political party should never allow itself to become a battleground between two factions – Mottley versus Arthur (one with no track record to speak of as a leader and the other the longest leader in our history). Because this demonstrates that the focus of the party is not on the well-being of the voters, but on the personal agendas of its leaders and wannabees. And we, the people, suffer for it. For if the BLP cannot solve its internal problems, how can it possibly manage to convince the voters that it can solve the problems of the country.

We therefore urge: the BLP to sort out its leadership so that the party’s fractured limbs can be set and healed and to provide us with a unified and credible opposition and possible unified and credible government where the denial of our democratic rights are not in doubt.

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55 Comments on “MARIA AGARD Vs. Mia Mottley and Jerome Walcott – The Maria Agard Matter Revisited”

  1. Anthony Davis April 7, 2016 at 8:14 PM #

    My question here is the role played by Duguid and his faithful in the downfall of Mrs. Agard. How come he can leave not only the party, but the island and return and just slip back into being the representative for that constituency? Was that election fair? Does that not smell of corruption?

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  2. Gabriel April 7, 2016 at 8:36 PM #

    A deservedly stinging rebuke of the ‘leadership’ of the Barbados Labour Party.Based on the performance of the LOO,the possibility of a ‘more of the same’ is likely when next the bell tolls.We appear to be in duck’s guts.

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  3. Sargeant April 7, 2016 at 9:36 PM #

    Has anyone seen Miller? Is he providing his counselling services to……

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  4. Prodigal Son April 7, 2016 at 9:55 PM #

    Would the matter of Barbados’ continual downgrades be a top topic for discussion? Isn’t that more important than Maria Agard’s impetuosity?

    Maria Agard decided that she was not going to be a team player so what the hell did she expect? Add to more “dysfunctional” as you say in the party? She was a problem…….what was the leader to do?….allow her to continually disrupt the already “dysfunctional” party? OSA and George Payne had the problem and just kicked the can down the road for Mia to now end up with all the blame.

    Whatever is the outcome of this, she cannot come back and think she would be welcomed after all she dragged the party through. The dems already told her that they have rules she would have to abide by.

    By the way, OSA resigned on his own after the plot that he and his henchmen were planning bombed when they ‘plotters” bailed out on him.

    The DLP is very dysfunctional……they are just waiting to get through this 50th celebration and we are only focusing on the BLP.

    Why are we not focusing on dem, they are the government and are destoying this country…..people are suffering, businesses are seeing hell, some are closing and we are worried about Maria Agard?

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  5. ac April 7, 2016 at 9:55 PM #

    expecting a fire starter to out fire is like pelting big rock at fire . Under Mottley the Blp has become the party of division ever since she has been leader her modus operandi is to attack ,,Attack any and everything that she regards as irrelevant even the country has receive some body blows from her futile attacks ,When one considers her actions no surprise in the way the Agard matter was handle in a nefarious and undermining actions resulting in a court battle between the party and agard .Rather than let the voters have their say she and Walcott becomes sharks with a bombast agenda to disregard the voters choice in agard .Then she gets up in parliament and attacks representatives as being bombast ,Now pray tell Mottley who is the real bombast

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  6. ac April 7, 2016 at 9:57 PM #

    this time of the year Miller goes into hibernation since he no longer holds the job of shining OSA boots

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  7. Prodigal Son April 7, 2016 at 10:36 PM #

    Why dont you talk about the civil war that is being hushed up in the DLP?

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  8. CHAUCER April 7, 2016 at 10:59 PM #

    This matter again, again! An attempt to bring back an outdated OSA. OSA , himself destroy the BLP with his politics of inclusion. Notwithstanding Mia limited leadership , she is better for the BLP than OSA. Stop the canvassing for OSA!

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  9. Raw Bake II April 8, 2016 at 1:45 AM #

    MAM and her how great thou art choir are hell bent on turning what should have beeen a foregone conclusion into anything but that. Woe unto us indeed.

    There is something wrong with an electorate that subjects itself to the whims and fancies of the political class but I know not what. People die and the next of kin inherit the constituency. A representative can quit, return whenever he feels like and is elected unopposed. This in a country that boasts about its highly educated citizens.

    The Dems ain’t worth wuh Paddy shot at and the Bees worth just as much. Woe unto us indeed?

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  10. David April 8, 2016 at 1:57 AM #

    The case concluded yesterday and the Judge promised to deliver his ruling sooner rather than later given its national interest.

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  11. Amused April 8, 2016 at 2:22 AM #

    @Prodigal Son April 7, 2016 at 9:55 PM. I think the BLP needs a better spin doctor than you.

    “Maria Agard decided that she was not going to be a team player….” So, is Agard hired by the electorate to play on Team Mottley or Team Barbados? And you then go on to admit that the BLP is dysfunctional. Well done.

    “Whatever is the outcome of this, she cannot come back and think she would be welcomed after all she dragged the party through. The dems already told her that they have rules she would have to abide by.” What has she dragged the electorate through? That is what you should be asking. Also, the dems told her, you say, that they have rules she would have to abide by. Presumably these rules, like those of the BLP, are written down and, unlike the BLP, not subject to change at the whim and agenda of the leader. Might it be the unilateral changes mirrored in local constituency branches that Agard refused to accept?

    Personally, I do not think that OSA is a viable alternative to Mottley. He has already led the party into two election defeats. The thing is that Mottley is going to hang on like grim death no matter how much whipping and biting and unilateral rule changing it takes and no matter how much it fractures the BLP and denies the country a viable choice. Like Bushie, since the choice is between the devil and the deep blue……at least I respect FS and the way he handled the all-but-forgotten coup attempt inn his own party – it barely lasted two weeks and both it and FS’s handling of it are now not only things of the past, but all but forgotten.

    In the UK, I see there is a sort of parallel with the EU referendum. I see that some political commentators are saying that Cameron will have to go if the UK votes out. My take on it is that if the UK does vote out, Cameron’s party will rally behind him to carry out, not unilaterally change, the wishes of the electorate and that, even though he is not in favour of an exit, Cameron will lead the UK through the exit, because it is the wish of the majority of the people. So my questions are: In similar circumstances and given her record, could we expect Mia to do the same and not simply ignore the will of the people? Hell no! In similar circumstances, could we expect FS to do as Cameron is likely to? I say yes. And that decides for me which party I will vote for. Pity. I had high hopes of Mia. I thought she had grown out of adolescence. Apparently not.

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  12. David April 8, 2016 at 2:27 AM #

    Judge reserves ruling in Agard matter

    Tameisha Sobers,

    Added 08 April 2016

     

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    Maria Agard speaking to media yesterday after the five hour hearing, in background from left: Kara-Je Kellman and Hal Gollop QC. (Picture by Xtra Vision Photography)

    THE OUTCOME of Dr Maria Agard’s legal challenge to her expulsion from the Barbados Labour Party (BLP) will be known later.

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    Yesterday after submissions from both sides were completed, Justice Olson Alleyne reserved his ruling in the matter.

    The Christ Church West Member of Parliament is seeking damages from the BLP, and yesterday’s hearing lasted over five hours in the No. 11 Supreme Court. Agard, who now sits as an Independent in the House of Assembly, had been expelled by the National Council, which cited public utterances that were deemed harmful to the BLP, as well as her alleged refusal to acknowledge and work with her constituency branch executive as the reason for its disciplinary action.

    Since her expulsion in November, her predecessor Dr William Duguid was again nominated by the BLP to contest the seat after a three-year break. (TS)

    Please read the full story in today’s Weekend Nation, or in the eNATION edition.

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  13. Raw Bake II April 8, 2016 at 2:48 AM #

    National interest?
    I would have sworn that this was the typical bajan nine day wonder. What with proclaiming a new candidate and all, these people showing their intent. De Judge could seh wuh eva he feel like, dem ain’t going wid Owen….I mean Maria. Dem ain’t care how bad um look, a message has to be sent and it will be delivered.

    Anyhow, time still longer than twine. Who knows, perhaps a few more might grow a pair and we could finally get that elusive third party.

    I ain’t only my breath though.

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  14. David April 8, 2016 at 6:29 AM #

    @Raw Bake II

    This is not so much about Maria being selected to run again. It is about the respect for natural justice as exercise by political parties. Remember the case is about whether the BLP follow the tenet of natural justice in the expulsion of Agard. It is about an indivual’s right to challenge what he or she perceived as a wrong under our system.

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  15. David April 8, 2016 at 6:34 AM #

    Notorious American Hate Group Heads to Barbados

     

      HRC stands in solidarity with LGBT advocates and allies as anti-LGBT activists descended on Barbados for a regional gathering hosted by the World Congress of Families (WCF). Designated an anti-LGBT hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, WCF provides a platform for some of the most virulently anti-LGBT extremists from around the world.

      This WCF regional conference will take place in Barbados from April 8-9.

      “The World Congress of Families focuses on bringing in the most notorious anti-LGBT activists from around the world, leaving harm and discrimination in their wake,” said Ty Cobb, Director of HRC Global.  “Try as they might to hide behind flowery language, the World Congress of Families is a hate group that convenes thousands of extremists from around the globe to strategize about how best to further endanger LGBT lives."

      WCF works closely with a dangerous group of activists spreading anti-LGBT rhetoric and promoting laws and policies that criminalize LGBT people and the speech of those who support them.  HRC’s report on the group, Exposed: The World Congress of Families, makes clear that the organization and many of its affiliates are laser-focused on promoting policies and rhetoric that put LGBT people and their families at incredible risk. 

      The conference speakers include Theresa Okafor, who has compared LGBT people to Boko Haram, and notorious exporter of hate, Brian Brown.  Brown is the president and co-founder of the National Organization for Marriage (NOM), a once-prominent anti-LGBT equality group. In 2011, Brown said, “When you knock over a core pillar of society like marriage, and then try to redefine Biblical views of marriage as bigotry, there will be consequences. Will one of the consequences be a serious push to normalize pedophilia?”

      “WCF  has honored a Nigerian activist who claims LGBT advocates conspire with terrorists with a “Woman of the Year” award, and lauded  Vladimir Putin’s ‘morality,’” said Cobb.  “The work of WCF  supports positions and policies that harm LGBT people around the world. Their advocacy abroad incites hatred against LGBT people from Russia to Nigeria and beyond.”

      In October 2015 HRC worked with with LGBT advocates and allies in Salt Lake City as 2,500 anti-LGBT activists descended on the Beehive State. As part of its larger effort to call out WCF and its allies for their nefarious activities, 14,000 HRC members signed their names to a two-page advertisement in Sunday’s Salt Lake Tribune. HRC also sponsored the Inclusive Families Conference in Salt Lake City in advance of the conference, which gathered local leaders, citizens, and advocates and promoted a positive vision of LGBT people and their families.  On the eve of the gathering, HRC gathered local advocates and international witnesses of the exportation of anti-LGBT venom abroad in a press conference inside the Utah State Capitol. HRC also hosted a screening of Hunted: Gay and Afraid, a brand-new documentary that shows in vivid detail both the efforts and impact of WCF’s advocacy abroad.

      In 2013, WCF forcefully advocated for the draconian anti-LGBT Russian “anti-propaganda law,” met with the law’s author in the Russian Duma, and released a public letter in support of the measure. As a HRC report documented last year, harassment, investigations, arrests, and acts of violence against LGBT Russians have followed in the wake of the law’s passage.  When a Mother Jones reporter asked WCF Managing Director Larry Jacobs if the organization had contributed to the Russian crackdown on its LGBT citizens, Jacobs said, “Yes, I think that is accurate.”  Additionally, WCF may be in violation of U.S. sanctions against Russia because of the organization’s dealings with two Russian officials who appear on the Treasury Department’s Specially Designated Nationals and Blocked Persons List.

      Active across five continents, WCF has organized large international “pro-family” conventions that bring together a wide range of vehemently anti-LGBT activists. WCF’s activities range from holding conferences in Nigeria focused on denying rights to LGBT people to working to silence the Russian LGBT community.

      WCF affiliate Scott Lively, who may also be attending the conference, traveled repeatedly to Uganda, claiming that LGBT people are responsible for the Holocaust, the Rwandan genocide and the spread of HIV and AIDS.  Some Ugandan officials credit Lively with the idea of introducing new legislation to further criminalize homosexuality in the country, and prominent Ugandan LGBT activists say that the bill "is essentially his creation."

      LGBT people throughout the Caribbean face immense challenges. Eleven countries in the Caribbean retain laws that criminalize sexual acts between men. In Barbados LGBT people can face life in prison, while in Jamaica they can face hard labor while in prison. Even in countries without this form of state-sponsored discrimination, LGBT people are often targeted and face discrimination and harassment.

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    • pieceuhderockyeahright April 8, 2016 at 6:37 AM #

      @ Amused.

      I agreed with the part where you spoke Of not grow ing out of adolescence but as to the ignoring the will of the people, in similar construct, I believe, and verily they both have shown, that they each would ignore the people’s will and implement their own.

      One through belligerence the other through a warped sense of the privilege of birth

      The Bajan version of this Jane Austen Book is “Power Foolish and Po’ Great”

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    • David April 8, 2016 at 6:43 AM #

      @CHAUCER

      Some of you are happy when the blogs are critical of the government then along comes a BLP blog doing the same and we see the true colours. Is anyone or entity above being criticised? What is wrong with advocating a position over and over and over until there is redress? It is the same on talk radio, to satisfy rating/popularity calls are encourage to bring new ideas or discussion points, never mind matters remain outstanding. Where is the logic!

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    • Frustrated Businessman aka Republic my ass. April 8, 2016 at 7:13 AM #

      And DLP lackie Hal Gollop gets his picture taken with Agard. Looks to me like she is not only no BLP team player but possibly a DLP wannabe. I suspect her removal from the team was necessary to start the healing process within the party.

      We all know the DLP cabinet members do not communicate with each other and none communicate with the PM. The asinine decisions coming out of gov’t and the drivel coming out of Fumble’s mouth confirm this fact for even the most detached among us. No connected group of intelligent, reflective people could make their decisions so either there is no intelligence, no reflection or no group.

      It would be a tragedy for our country if our next cabinet attempted to function like the DLP cabinet does(n’t).

      There will be no economic recovery under Fumble’s Fools, the best we can hope for is survival.

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    • Hamilton Hill April 8, 2016 at 7:48 AM #

      @ Prodigal son. …..Perhaps you should write and submit to BU a blog about the downgrade.Fear not cause we all know that wunna , just like dem perfect the art of deception. Try and let we talk bout what ever we want to talk bout do!

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    • David April 8, 2016 at 8:27 AM #

      @Frustrated Business

      Imagine you hold the same view towards Hinkson and Payne. Why not boot them as well.

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    • Raw Bake II April 8, 2016 at 9:37 AM #

      Mr. David BlogMaster,

      I have no quarrel with what you are saying, but we all know that there is no justice and even less respect to be had in political parties. Dem doan really operate so.

      When it comes to political parties, it is all about who knows who, whose pockets are deeper and who can convince more members that they can provide the bacon. Possess these things and ideals like natural justice become subjective and secondary. Coupled that with enough friends in the right places and the masses will even clamour for Barabbas.

      Let me clarify my earlier post; dem doan care wuh we think bout natural justice. How then do we, the ordinary voters, make them think otherwise? They actions to date in said constituency suggest that ordinary voters are powerless against the party. No?

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    • pieceuhderockyeahright April 8, 2016 at 9:44 AM #

      @ Frustrated Businessman

      Are you fuh real?

      “And DLP lackie Hal Gollop GETS HIS PICTURE TAKEN with Agard…. Looks to me like she is not only no BLP team player but possibly a DLP wannabe….”

      Where do these ignorant statements come from? What sort of idiocy are we raising in Barbados?

      Is Gollop behind the camera?

      Does it not make sense for the Barbados Nation, reporting lies, or whatever to sell newspapers, to take a shot with the woman AND HER LAWYERS one of whom is in the centre of a contentious ERT waste foop as well as a suspicious matter of murder of Marcelle Smith where he and the woman’s brother in law seem to possibly be persons of interest? (Note all the verbs of disclaimer utilised)

      NO LAWYER IN BARBADOS, mindful of the coming of the TROIKA, led by MIA AMOR MOTTLEY, would be so idiotic to represent Maria Agard and thereby estrange the leader of the Troika?

      Barring the Blogmaster, Bush Tea, Raw Bake, WW&C, my gf SSS, and a few others that de ole man cant remember right now, very few come out and say, THIS SHYTE IS WRONG when it is Mia Mottley.

      And there is one who is Faithful who I watch and pray for …but soft anon…enough of that tangent

      Why is that? Why do men like you with big wallets, and big balls, why do you have such unbridled fear? We don’t fear Fumbles, or THompson, he dead now, but look how evident our fear is of Mottley!!

      So Owen, by your reasoning, having been cast out of the BLP, or removed himself, he too must be a DLP wannabee.

      Putin is not an elected politician any more, he is Russian President FOR LIFE, and any dissent WILL BE REMOVED

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    • millertheanunnaki April 8, 2016 at 9:45 AM #

      @ ac April 7, 2016 at 9:57 PM #
      “this time of the year Miller goes into hibernation since he no longer holds the job of shining OSA boots..”

      Just like your friend the sleeping giant Lord Fumble I am resurrected from a ‘coma’ of political somnambulating. While walking in the light of day I had a dream of nightmarish proportion that the foreign reserves were back at their 1991/92 levels and the King of Lies was on his knees begging the IMF for a loan but without the Devaluation string attached.

      Guess what the Inspector from the Monetary Force (IMF) said? The same thing the Trinidadian Police Inspector said to the Smart Bajan by the name of Three Gold Coins in the Fountain Cephus (Granville Williams): Not this time! No, Not this Timeeeeee!!

      Now the bet is on: One Million pre-devaluation Bajan dollars to your one US$ that the Bajan dollar will not “Devalued” (because that has already taken place) but the exchange or trading relationship between it and its United States of American counterpart is formally adjusted to reflect the reality on the ground. The question is the percentage of the adjustment. If you use Stinkliar’s arithmetic you might just end with a 0.5 adjustment; or why not call it 50 cents.

      Barbadians needs to remove the now broken-down financial Mercedes-Benz vehicle from ‘in front of’ the rotting chattel house and live within their means. You have regional friends as examples to learn from and follow.

      It is not the broken-tip political arrows fired by Mottley and poisoned with the placebo effect of the Maria Agard affair or even the imaginary third coming of OSA heralded by the likes of Bushie and Gabriel but the looming spectre of devaluation about to descend on poor Barbados that would be the imminent downfall of your deceitful lying party as the government of your once proud and effectively functioning country once the envy of the developing world.

      BTW, ac how is the privatization programme coming along? Are your intellectual horses finally hitched to the privatization bandwagon?

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    • pieceuhderockyeahright April 8, 2016 at 9:48 AM #

      @ Raw Bake

      Ordinary voters ARE NOT POWERLESS!!

      That is why they have to cowtow to us and bribe us with IPADS and the cutchy houses at Landcaster and tweedside road.

      The problem is that us “ornery voters” do not know our power to bring them to their knees and to change the system and replace the inept with the competent and those who love country and fellow citizen.

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    • Frustrated Businessman aka Republic my ass. April 8, 2016 at 10:16 AM #

      David April 8, 2016 at 8:27 AM #
      @Frustrated Business

      Imagine you hold the same view towards Hinkson and Payne. Why not boot them as well.

      Indeed. As you wrote earlier, the entire aquarium is in chaos, not just the fat fishes feeding in it.

      It’s every man for her/himself, damn the rest of us.

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    • Raw Bake II April 8, 2016 at 10:20 AM #

      But cuddear pieceuhde,

      How you mean we are not powerless?
      Wuh effin I got money put down and I ent know dat I got um put down; I, fuh all intents and purposes are broke and I gine operate like I are broke. Rong or rite?

      So wen yuh seh A doan fuhget tuh seh B. Dem noh dat we doan noh, so dem cud do as dem like fuh as long as dem like and yuh noh why? Far too many do not care anymore.

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    • David April 8, 2016 at 3:09 PM #

      Mia plans to bring a no confidence motion against the government next week.

      Never a dull moment.

      http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2016/04/08/opposition-to-bring-a-motion-of-no-confidence-against-government/

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    • Frustrated Businessman aka Republic my ass. April 8, 2016 at 3:40 PM #

      David April 8, 2016 at 3:09 PM #
      Mia plans to bring a no confidence motion against the government next week.

      Never a dull moment.

      We should all go to parliament to vote on that motion. But we won’t, we’ll sit on our comfortable asses in front of our PCs and complain that no-one is doing anything.

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    • David April 8, 2016 at 3:52 PM #

      @Frustrated Businessman

      This is exactly what will happen and exposes why real change (whatever that is) will never occur unless ordinary people participate in our system of government.

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    • Well Well & Consequences April 8, 2016 at 4:12 PM #

      Something is very wrong in Barbados. Iceland’s population is 330,000…..or there abouts, they were able to singlehandedly unseat their premier within days for his involvement in Panama Leaks, why cant the opposition in Barbados organize and unseat a government that is so careless. I will not answer my own question.

      http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2016/04/08/opposition-to-bring-a-motion-of-no-confidence-against-government/

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    • Well Well & Consequences April 8, 2016 at 4:14 PM #

      Amused…Cameron might not survive Panama Leaks.

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    • Hants April 8, 2016 at 4:25 PM #

      @ David re “no confidence motion”.

      How many DLP’s will vote with Mia ? We already know that her exes (Owen and Maria ) will not vote with her.

      Will this be just another waste of time ?

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    • David April 8, 2016 at 4:28 PM #

      @Hants

      And this is the point, should they not vote on the issue talked and that is all?

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    • Hants April 8, 2016 at 4:52 PM #

      The DLPhas 16 seats. Mia has 12 ( +Owen and Maria ) = 14

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    • Prodigal Son April 8, 2016 at 4:53 PM #

      Hants

      She said the issues need to be debated…….she knows she does not have the numbers. At this point in our continous slide down into the bottom less pit neither OSA or Dr Agard is relevant.

      Barbados is the only thing that is relevant.

      It is surprising that only now we are hearing people wanting OSA’s advice (like David Ellis today) when between 2006-2008, the likes of David Ellis engaged the services of every dem he could find to hammer the BLP………..now they think his words are so important.

      Bloody hypocrites!

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    • ac April 8, 2016 at 5:12 PM #

      Well here she goes again up to another political hat trick. But the question is.how much confidence does her party ministers have ina her. Does she care to take a vote. If mia is so concerned about making things for the better she ought to start housecleaning with in her house

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    • David April 8, 2016 at 5:12 PM #

      @Prodigal Son

      The downside is that Mia will open herself and team to attack.

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    • ac April 8, 2016 at 5:40 PM #

      not only is MIA foolish to start a political rumble but common sense should dictate that she cannot win and further more the public would be forced to ask the blp party what are your solutions

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    • Heather April 8, 2016 at 5:49 PM #

      One wonders if there maybe something in the Panama Leaks that may have caused the rise to action at this time.

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    • are-we-there-yet April 8, 2016 at 5:49 PM #

      Prodigal Son;

      By my count MAM has brought 2 No-confidence votes against members of the DLP. The first one was punished with laughter by Freundal Stuart, The second one he punished with silence, Those two strategies will not work this time if Mia uses the vote strategically to inform the general public of the case against the Government with clear and focused inputs from all her members.

      She may be a glutton for punishment but I don’t think she is an idiot which would be the case if she had no or little support from her side, but the short BT report suggests that she does have the support of the current membership of the BLP. If that is so they could ignore the laughter and silence while noting that none of the Government members are willing to defend themselves and bring a comprehensive case of absolute loss of confidence in the current government.

      There is copious evidence, from continuing poor management of the economy to the apparent optics of rampant corruption, that could be systematically brought against this Government.

      Actually, a vote of no confidence at this time is obligatory. MAM can do no less and continue to call herself Leader of the opposition.

      She must bring this vote against the Government if she and the Opposition are to be taken seriously.

      Now is also the time to see, which of the Government members, are willing to allow the various sins of omission and commission which would be itemized against them to be recorded in Hansard for posterity and for use in any upcoming election. or to see and possibly hear the contributions of the ones who think they have a political future.

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    • David April 8, 2016 at 5:59 PM #

      @Are-we-there-yet

      This can’t be about winning a no confidence, more about making noise to win hearts, minds and goodwill with a very frustrated public.

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    • ac April 8, 2016 at 6:04 PM #

      then what?

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    • ac April 8, 2016 at 6:07 PM #

      Mia had seven years to win hearts body and souls if she did not in the seven years it would be almost impossible to do so in a year and half

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    • are-we-there-yet April 8, 2016 at 6:18 PM #

      David;

      Perhaps I wasn’t clear in my above post.

      I didn’t try to intimate that I felt that Mia would or could win a no-confidence vote at this time. All I was trying to intimate was that a no-confidence vote at this time was perhaps the best strategy for getting structured and possibly sensitive information on all types of possible misfeances by this Government out to the public.

      It would be just one step in the ultimate legal removal of this Government.

      It wouldn’t be “just noise”. It would be a deluge of facts delivered by most of the members of the opposition, which if uncontested by the Government members of parliament, would be eminently usable in a future election or other event.

      Even OSA and Maria Agard might be shamed into speaking.

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    • David April 8, 2016 at 6:21 PM #

      @are-we-there-yet

      Thank you for the clarification. Given the government’s almost 8 year strategy of secrecy in how it communicates with the public, there is little hope it will flip that approach when the no confidence motion is debated. Mia needs to share licks a la Cahaill revelations last year.

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    • CHAUCER April 8, 2016 at 8:34 PM #

      Mia needs to a vote of confidence from the electorate, her leadership rating is falling. Will the debate in parliament do the trick? After the Agard crisis, the recent poor public meeting and the confusion in St Michael central: Haynes vs Holder( Sunday 10th April )

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    • Well Well & Consequences April 8, 2016 at 9:36 PM #

      Mia would be more credible, if she states all she knows about all the damage done to the country and taxpayers by the ministers, their friends and business partners, since Owen refuses to say why he knows Mia is unsuitable to be PM….everyone holding secrets, but they will come out.

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    • Bush Tea April 8, 2016 at 10:02 PM #

      Wunna talking, but some of those DLP members may well be smart enough to know a sinking boat when they see the horizon tilting badly…..
      …added to that, the pension money is now secured and they can now focus on the next ten years pickings….

      Perhaps two or three DLP members will now take the opportunity to stand on principle and tell Froon to eff off….

      How hard could it be for Mia to offer ministries to Kellman, Estwick and Paul in exchange for them voting on ‘principle’?
      Lowe is also an option as he appears to be off the Allard and Cowan payrolls at this time and on the market for a new owner…

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    • Vincent Haynes April 9, 2016 at 7:25 AM #

      Bush Tea April 8, 2016 at 10:02 PM #

      Wishfull thinking….nothing wrong with dreams but the egos at play will never allow for such crossing/stand on principle to happen.

      The no-confidence vote has to be done,win/lose/draw in order to maintain the credibility of the opposition.

      The crash and the domino effect will come like a thief in the night as circumstances come together and dictate the situation.

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    • Bush Tea April 9, 2016 at 7:35 AM #

      What are you talking about Vincent…?
      What did Darcy Boyce do…?
      What ego what?
      You are talking about the ‘political class’ here skippa….. where a PM could side with a big-time crook and continue to be PM…. Where FOUR ministers can sign up with CAHILL …and them clam up…

      Imagine the Doc given a chance to be ‘Pitbull’ again ..as MoA.
      … to execute his dreams that were crushed by the Stinkliar…

      …and Mia could afford to do it …cause when the BLP wins,
      she will be running ALL the ministries any damn how….

      A glock trumps that little shiite gun he pulled….

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    • David April 9, 2016 at 7:36 AM #

      Maria Agard is quoted in the press dousing the nomination of William Duguid. As you know the process to boot her from the BLP has been challenged and we wait Justice Alleyne’s ruling.

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    • are-we-there-yet April 9, 2016 at 8:36 AM #

      Vincent;

      FWLIW, I totally agree with your 7:25 am post especially your last sentence. “The crash and the domino effect will come like a thief in the night as circumstances come together and dictate the situation.”

      We don’t know at this time what will trigger the inevitable crash. It might be the effects of the Moody devaluation; Some northern constituent taking matters into his own hand about his water situation; Two or three DLP members recognizing that they have absolutely no political future if they don’t speak out now against Fumble and Sinckler and Worrell; An inescapable development in the Cahill and DelMastro scams; The publication of some cheques related to any of the numerous scandals; The Government’s attempt to privatise the SSA coming into the public domain; etc. etc.

      No one knows which incident will trigger the domino effect but the experience throughout the world indicates that much less than the above have triggered total changes in Governments. Barbados is not exempt and if this Government attempts to implement further draconian measures, as they have been hinting, the sheet will surely hit the fan somehow. In fact that is why I think that an election is in the offing. Even Fumble cannot fight the wisdom of strategically withdrawing from Government now that his loved political class has qualified for their pensions and most of his Ministers have presumably feathered their nests against the coming storm.

      Not raising a vote of no-confidence against the current government at this time would indubitably confirm that the Opposition approves and is in sync with the numerous examples of poor governance demonstrated by this Government over the past 8 years.

      What win that NC vote what! That is of miniscule importance in the overall scheme of things at this time. It is the future effects of that small seed that are important.

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    • are-we-there-yet April 9, 2016 at 2:03 PM #

      I forgot to mention above that the timing of the coming elections will be dictated more by the Government’s recognition that postponement of draconian IMF type measures is no longer an option than by the PM’s customary intransigence and that as a result the Government has to be surrendered to a reluctant BLP to let them be the face on the trials related to the implementation of those measures.

      I suspect that such elections will be called within this quarter as foreign reserves decline and the NIS milch cow is further weakened.

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    • millertheanunnaki April 9, 2016 at 3:31 PM #

      @ David April 9, 2016 at 7:36 AM
      “Maria Agard is quoted in the press dousing the nomination of William Duguid. As you know the process to boot her from the BLP has been challenged and we wait Justice Alleyne’s ruling.”

      It’s a pity that ‘used and abused’ darling of the sensationalist Press was unable to attract a vote of confidence from her previous Ch Ch West Constituency branch Executive who are now firmly behind Dr. D.
      If Dr. A problems were solely with the National Executive and the top leadership of the BLP then out of sheer loyalty and in faith in Dr. A’s leadership and moral commitment to the constituency they, the branch executive, would have rallied behind her and told Dr. Duguid to piss off back to Canada.

      Poor woman, a self-made simpleton to the real world of politics who allowed herself to be used by OSA in his vindictive quest to hurt MAM’s chances of ascendancy to PM.

      OSA, instead of focusing in a true statesmanship manner to prevent Fumble and his gang of fools and corrupt goons from making Barbados a basket case of an economic wasteland and social hellhole his children and grand-children will now be inheriting the wind to be generated by the shit that is about hit the proverbial fan.

      Of all people he, OSA, knows full well the exact nature of the beast of the current leadership of the DLP and its modus operandi in government. Just a bunch of ‘wild boys’ that have surreptitiously invaded and taken over a “poor-rakey” parliament.

      Why doesn’t OSA start his own party with the disgruntled lot from both sides of the political class in order to save Barbados from imminent collapse?

      Now, come on people, in the absence of any viable alternative you all know any jack or jenny ass can replace Lord Fumble to do a less “worst” job than is being performed.
      Why not give the sting-removed queen of the Bees a chance the same way the Americans are about to create history with H. Clinton ?

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