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Morality in the Absence of God

Submitted by Charles Knighton

PTSDIn the Nation of January 12, Mark Boyce in an article called Time We Let Go Of Flogging pointed to Sweden as a place that has abolished flogging and is a better society, with less theft, drugs, rape, murder and so on. But he didn’t mention that the Swedes have almost completely driven God out of their lives.” Be Our Guest column “In favour of corporal punishment by Daley Reneldo Reece, January 22.

We can always be sure of three things whenever a writer favours corporal punishment:

  1. The claim will be made that no causal effect exists between corporal punishment and subsequent aggressive behaviour exhibited by the victim of said punishment.
  2. We will be reminded of Proverbs 23:13-14.
  3. The writer will declare that despite the “hot licks” received as a youngster, he or she became a citizen of good character.

What these individuals seem unable to grasp is the known fact that similar stressors in life affect people differently. It has been estimated that approximately 23 percent of US military personnel who served in the Iraq and Afghan wars suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder. Even though experiencing similar stressors, about three-quarters don’t demonstrate PTSD symptoms and go on to lead productive lives. Knowing that, can we not assume that a percentage of those victims of corporal punishment will come to display deviant behaviour, while a large majority will not? If such an outcome is even possible, corporal punishment should cease.

As to the Eurobarometer poll cited in the same article, that just 18 percent of Swedes believe there is a god, I say bravo to their becoming doubly enlightened. I continue to read in the papers and hear on the radio good and anxious people asking how we would teach morality in the absence of God. This question has two implications. It first shows a lack of confidence among believers, as if they half know that faith is weak, and suspect that morality might also be so. Second, it insults unbelievers, as if we infidels might at any moment give ourselves over to slaughter and pillage.

The working assumption undergirding such a question is that we should have no moral compass if we were not somehow in thrall to an unalterable and unchallengeable celestial dictatorship. What repulsive nonsense. Such a question constitutes a radical attack on the very concept of human self-respect. It does so by suggesting that one could not do a right action or avoid a wrong one, except for the hope of a divine reward or the fear of divine retribution.

While the Swedes may seem avant-garde to many, they have actually reverted to the long-held belief of many philosophers: Human decency is not derived from religion. It precedes it.

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102 Comments on “Morality in the Absence of God”

  1. Zoe January 28, 2016 at 3:14 PM #

    Your appendix

    If you put your trust in evolutionary based publications like the 1997 Encyclopædia Britannica, you would think of your appendix this way:

    The appendix does not serve any useful purpose as a digestive organ in humans, and it is believed to be gradually disappearing in the human species over evolutionary time. 1
    However, even in 1976 medical textbooks were beginning to admit the appendix had functions:

    The appendix is not generally credited with significant function; however, current evidence tends to involve it in the immunologic mechanism.
    And in a 1995 medical textbook, the authors are emphatic about the function of the appendix:

    The mucosa and submucosa of the appendix are dominated by lymphoid nodules, and its primary function is as an organ of the lymphatic system.

    Despite this, many public school texts still continue indoctrinating people in the idea that the appendix is great evidence that man evolved. An evolutionist had the following testimony put into the record of the historic 1925 Tennessee Scopes Trial:

    There are, according to Wiedersheim, no less than 180 vestigal [sic] structures in the human body, sufficient to make of a man a veritable walking museum of antiquities. Among these [is] the vermiform appendix . These and numerous other structures of the same sort can be reasonably interpreted as evidence that man has descended from ancestors in which these organs were functional. Man has never completely lost these characters; he continues to inherit them though he no longer has any use for them.

    Thus, at one time evolutionists postulated there were 180 vestigial (functionless) structures (including the appendix) in the human body. Today this list has shrunk to virtually none. Imagine asking a doctor in 1925 to remove all these ‘functionless’ structures from your body!

    Sadly, those brainwashed by the evolutionary idea that the appendix (and other organs) had no function included many Christians. This is yet another example of Christians being influenced by man’s theories outside the Bible. As the Bible is a revelation from the One who is infinite in knowledge and wisdom, then all of our thinking in every area should start with God’s Word.

    Thinking Biblically about the appendix

    Let’s assume that modern science knew of no function for the appendix. Would that show it was a useless left-over from our past evolution from the animals? Not at all. There would be at least two other possibilities, when our thinking is based upon the Bible:

    It had a created function in people originally, but as a result of the Curse (consequent upon Adam’s sin) on all creation, humanity has degenerated. Thus, our body has lost some functions which it once had. Evolution requires a gain in information—new structures, new functions.
    It has a created function, but we don’t know what it is yet.

    Why is the appendix so susceptible to disease?

    If the appendix is a specially designed organ with a function, why do so many people suffer from appendicitis, which requires the appendix to be urgently removed to prevent death?

    Answer:

    Death, disease, and degeneration from original perfection are all a part of the curse on a once-perfect creation. They do not reflect on the suitability of the original design.

    In addition, it is clear that appendicitis is only common in countries where a very highly refined modern diet is eaten. Where people eat a high proportion of vegetables, fruit and unrefined cereals, (in other words, have a high fibre diet), appendicitis is actually very rare. The original ‘Genesis diet’ for which we were designed7 was obviously much more like that.

    Today, the appendix is recognized as a highly specialized organ with a rich blood supply. This is not what we would expect from a degenerate, useless structure.

    The appendix contains a high concentration of lymphoid follicles. These are highly specialized structures which are a part of the immune system. The clue to the appendix’s function is found in its strategic position right where the small bowel meets the large bowel or colon. The colon is loaded with bacteria which are useful there, but which must be kept away from other areas such as the small bowel and the bloodstream.

    Through the cells in these lymphoid follicles, and the antibodies they make (see box below), the appendix is ‘involved in the control of which essential bacteria come to reside in the caecum and colon in neonatal life’.6 Like the very important thymus gland in our chest, it is likely that the appendix plays its major role in early childhood. It is also probably involved in helping the body recognize early in life that certain foodstuffs, bacterially derived substances, and even some of the body’s own gut enzymes, need to be tolerated and not seen as ‘foreign’ substances needing attack.

    But if it has a function, why can it be removed without ill effects?

    Our body has been brilliantly designed, with plenty in reserve, and the ability for some organs to take over the function of others. Thus there are a number of organs which everybody agrees have a definite function, but we can still cope without them. Some examples:

    Your gall bladder has a definite function—it stores bile from the liver, and squirts it into the intestine as required to help with the digestion of fat. However, it can be removed and the body will cope—for instance, by secreting more bile continuously.

    You can cope with having a kidney out, because there is still enough kidney tissue left in the other one. (In the same way, a part of the Gut Associated Lymphoid Tissue, which includes the appendix, can be removed, and the remaining lymphoid tissue will usually be enough to carry on the total function). You won’t suffer from having your thymus out (if you’re an adult), because this extremely important gland, which ‘educates’ your immune cells when you are very young, is then no longer required. This is likely to be very relevant to the appendix.

    1 Corinthians 8:2 says: ‘And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.’ Think about the questions God asked of Job: Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? … Where is the way where light dwelleth? … By what way is the light parted … ? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? After many other questions, we read that Job repented in ‘dust and ashes’ when he realized how much he didn’t know.

    We were not there to see Creation. We do not know everything. In fact, we know almost nothing compared to the infinite amount there is to know. So how could humans, with such limited knowledge, ever have dogmatically stated ‘the appendix is functionless’? It is impossible in principle to prove something has no function—without infinite knowledge.

    So-called ‘facts’ for evolution are continually being discarded (though sometimes only deleted from textbooks years later). Numerous people today still believe many of the outdated evolutionary ideas they were taught at school or college, not realizing that even the evolutionists no longer accept them.

    Making antibodies

    The appendix, in conjunction with other parts of the body which also contain cells called B-lymphocytes, manufactures several types of antibodies:

    A immunoglobulins, involved in surface or mucosal immunity. These are vital in maintaining the protective barrier between the bowel and the bloodstream.
    IgM and IgG immunoglobulins, which fight invaders via the bloodstream.

    The appendix is in fact part of the G.A.L.T. (Gut Associated Lymphoid Tissue) system. The lymphoid follicles develop in the appendix at around two weeks after birth, which is the time when the large bowel begins to be colonized with the necessary bacteria. It is likely that its major function peaks in this neonatal period. http://www.creation.com

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  2. Georgie Porgie January 28, 2016 at 3:22 PM #

    VERY GOOD ZOE
    THIS WILL NOT HOWEVER BENEFIT THE FOOL BECAUSE HIS BIAS SUPERCEDES ALL

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  3. millertheanunnaki January 28, 2016 at 5:26 PM #

    @ Georgie Porgie January 28, 2016 at 3:22 PM

    We notice you are allowing your sidekick Zoe to be not only your religiously biased mouthpiece but also your leading general in the war of Science versus Ignorance hiding behind a façade of religious intolerance.

    Just be careful that Zoe, like Lucifer who was once the right hand man of Yahweh (Zeus), does not move to overthrow you in his in-depth knowledge of Anatomy, a branch of Biology.

    It is truly amazing when you can allow an intellectual punk to make the following statements on your behalf:

    “So-called ‘facts’ for evolution are continually being discarded (though sometimes only deleted from textbooks years later). Numerous people today still believe many of the outdated evolutionary ideas they were taught at school or college, not realizing that even the evolutionists no longer accept them.”

    Didn’t you Judeo-Christians believe in killing animals as sacrifices to Yahweh, keeping slaves and isolating menstruating women for 9 days deeming them to be unclean?
    Didn’t your friend Jesus come along to be the only intermediary and agent of sacrifice for those sinners instead of the bull, the ram, pigeons and turtledoves for those making offerings or seeking forgiveness through the priesthood?

    The same way you have your Jesus whom ISIS continue to make a mockery of, modern Evolutionists have carbon dating and DNA techniques to dismiss your Adam & Eve creation story as just that; stolen tales from yore long before the Legendary Moses ever dreamt of the Promised Land stolen from Egyptian mythology.

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  4. Georgie Porgie January 28, 2016 at 6:01 PM #

    millertheanunnaki January 28, 2016 at 5:26 PM #

    i like to discuss the Bible with serious people
    such people do not exist on BU

    I do not have Zoe’s patience but I can appreciate his contributions and respect his sources

    you are at liberty to continue in your vein

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  5. millertheanunnaki January 28, 2016 at 6:36 PM #

    @ Georgie Porgie January 28, 2016 at 6:01 PM

    OK GP. We can see you have learned nothing from the lessons of the Job story.
    Be that as it may let us agree on one thing:
    That is, the principles and practices of MEDICINE have changed or evolved from the days of Imhotep (Asclepius) and Hippocrates to Jenner and Lister or even Crick and Watson after whom, someday, a binary star system might be named.

    So to shall Evolution and Religion. You can never tell. One day some time in the 42nd Century your god might have morphed into a being from Alpha Centauri who finds Earth a desolate wasteland in need of reformation.

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  6. Zoe January 28, 2016 at 7:43 PM #

    @Miller, Is this how you answer to the CHALLENGES I issued you?

    Utterly unable to refute the sound science FACTS and EVIDENCE, you now come AGAIN, with more inept intellectual HOGWASH!

    NAKI, you are not just intellectually DISHONEST, but stupid, instead of keeping quiet, in your IGNORANCE, you OPEN your mouth, confirming AGAIN, what a FOOL you ARE, BIG TIME!

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  7. Gabriel January 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM #

    GP
    Explain how a lowly mosquito can evolve to resist various deadly repellents.
    Why is glaucoma controlled by a saline solution.
    Zoe
    Why with all the descriptive marvellous anatomical composition of the body human,whites murder and continue to seek out people of colour to murder them everywhere,on the corners of their own streets and in all corners of the planet earth.
    Why should I believe for one cotton picking minute that a jew has more reason to life than I do.Why did the man the greeks called jesus not write anything for his followers to think about.

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  8. Zoe January 28, 2016 at 10:58 PM #

    Gabriel January 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM #

    Zoe
    Why with all the descriptive marvellous anatomical composition of the body human,whites murder and continue to seek out people of colour to murder them everywhere,on the corners of their own streets and in all corners of the planet earth.

    G, consider, and ponder this:

    Black Americans are 12.61% of the U,S, population. Yet, they commit 32.5% of all rapes; 34.1% of all Assaults; 54.9% of all Robberies; and 49.4% of all Murders; 91% of ALL Murdered Black Americans are Killed by other Black Americans.

    THE TRUTH ISN’T RACIST, ITS JUST THE TRUTH.

    Jews do NOT have more reason to life than anyone else; millions of Jews have gone to Hell, and will continue as long as they REJECT Jesus as Saviour and Lord, like anyone else.

    Jesus spoke many things for His followers to think about; its all there in the Gospels.

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  9. Gabriel January 29, 2016 at 7:47 AM #

    Zoe
    Does not your bible say hebrews are the chosen of all earthlings?How come you did not quote the number of rapes,murders,incest etc of those ‘chosen’.
    Once again,where is the written word of your white michelangeloed jesus.

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  10. Zoe January 29, 2016 at 9:07 AM #

    @Gabriel,

    Carry on in your racial bias and ignorance! So it be!

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  11. millertheanunnaki January 29, 2016 at 4:57 PM #

    @ Zoe January 29, 2016 at 9:07 AM
    “Carry on in your racial bias and ignorance! So it be!”

    How can you accuse Gabriel of racial bias and profiling when you have the gall to quote the following?
    ‘Black Americans are 12.61% of the U,S, population. Yet, they commit 32.5% of all rapes; 34.1% of all Assaults; 54.9% of all Robberies; and 49.4% of all Murders; 91% of ALL Murdered Black Americans are Killed by other Black Americans.’

    Why can’t you also mention that the “average” black American is a more god-fearing Christian than his white counterpart and deeply believes in his sweet white Jesus demonstrated by his regular attendance at his Baptist Church?

    Some of the sweetest music ever sung to the worship of your Yahweh and his white baby son Jesus can be heard in those melodious ‘Nigger’ Spirituals.

    Yes Gabriel is right in his reference to the pathological inclination of those self-appointed chosen ones to murder, rape and commit incest.
    What does the story of Lot and the ‘forced’ extraction of sperm from his loins by his very own daughters say about that lot called ‘the chosen ones’?

    Are you conveniently forgetting the unequivocal commandment to carry out the first case of ethnic cleansing and mass murder to make Hitler look like a white plantation owner in the days of Willie Lynch?

    Now if you think you have the ‘sole’ patent on the art of “Cutting & Pasting” here is what your sweet loving caring god called Yahweh the schizophrenic envious of other god racist lonely dictator had to say to his subjects among whom you would have fitted in nicely:
    Numbers 31:7-18
    7 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man.
    8 Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba—the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword.
    9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder.
    10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps.
    11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals,
    12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho.
    13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp.
    14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.
    15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them.
    16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the LORD in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people.
    17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
    18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    Not only is Yahweh the greatest overseer of murder rape and pillage but also the greatest warmonger and proponent of animal cruelty and their slaughter for fun but also the greatest terrorist to the very environment you claim he made in less than six days:

    Deuteronomy 20-

    Going to War
    20 When you go to war against your enemies and see horses and chariots and an army greater than yours, do not be afraid of them, because the LORD your God, who brought you up out of Egypt, will be with you. 2 When you are about to go into battle, the priest shall come forward and address the army. 3 He shall say: “Hear, Israel: Today you are going into battle against your enemies. Do not be fainthearted or afraid; do not panic or be terrified by them. 4 For the LORD your God is the one who goes with you to fight for you against your enemies to give you victory.”
    5 The officers shall say to the army: “Has anyone built a new house and not yet begun to live in it? Let him go home, or he may die in battle and someone else may begin to live in it. 6 Has anyone planted a vineyard and not begun to enjoy it? Let him go home, or he may die in battle and someone else enjoy it. 7 Has anyone become pledged to a woman and not married her? Let him go home, or he may die in battle and someone else marry her.” 8 Then the officers shall add, “Is anyone afraid or fainthearted? Let him go home so that his fellow soldiers will not become disheartened too.” 9 When the officers have finished speaking to the army, they shall appoint commanders over it.
    10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
    16 However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy[a] them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the LORD your God has commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God.
    19 When you lay siege to a city for a long time, fighting against it to capture it, do not destroy its trees by putting an ax to them, because you can eat their fruit. Do not cut them down. Are the trees people, that you should besiege them?[b] 20 However, you may cut down trees that you know are not fruit trees and use them to build siege works until the city at war with you falls.

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  12. Zoe January 29, 2016 at 9:59 PM #

    @Miller, Once again, you take the command of God, to kill, kill, kill, entirely out of the historic CONTEXT, of WHY He ordered this to be done.

    There WERE very specific reasons, WHY God had to order the total destruction of a certain sub-culture of the Midianites, plus the DEATH of large numbers of Israelites.

    A certain sub-culture of Midianites, planned a Seductive SEXUAL plot against Israel, as a weapon to destroy them. This simply could NOT be tolerated, as it would INFEST the entire nation, and bring God’s judgement on ALL of Israel. The utter perversion, and the rampant Idolatry HAD to be dealt with by the DEATH of those who did this EVIL thing.

    The following is a brief, but true and correct summary of why God had to deal with these Midianites, in this manner.

    Summary:

    1.The judgment scene in Numbers 31 has nothing to do with lewd ‘tests for virginity’

    2The judgment scene in Numbers 31 has nothing to do with ‘sex slaves’ or even slavery in the sense of New World Slavery

    3.The judgment scene in Numbers 31 has nothing to do with a religious war against the Midianites, “because they worshipped a different god than Israel”

    The Midianites were a tribal league of generally nomadic peoples, with a wide variation in orientation, ethics, and practices.
    They were known to engage in kidnapping and international slave trading, as well as raiding and pillage of sedentary peoples/villages.
    The Moabites, who start the chain of events leading to Numbers 31, are under no danger or threat from Israel, but nonetheless begin unprovoked attempts to vanquish the unsuspecting Israelites

    7.After the Mesopotamian diviner/sorcerer/prophet Balaam fails to curse Israel, he nevertheless advises the Midianite leadership on how to overcome Israel—by a sexual deception of a massive scale.

    8.Moab transports women into the area en masse, and Midian moves into the territory east of Shittim, to begin this initiative. Some 6,000-12,000 married women aggressively offer sex to the Israelite men (most of whom are married), and after having sex/adultery, convince them to participate in further acts (involving both sex and disloyalty to the Lord).

    Israel ‘falls for it’, and likely makes a ‘covenant’ with a Canaanite fertility god of vegetation (Baal Peor), and are judged by God (at least 24,000 Israelites die of a plague, most of which are males)
    The Moabite and Midianite women retreat out of the area, having successfully used their sex as a weapon (with full knowledge, consent, support, and encouragement from their husbands, fathers, and civic leaders).
    For this atrocity, God orders Israel to attack this specific group of Midianites (not the Moabites) and eliminate them.
    The Israelite force of 12,000 men travel east/southeast to where the Midianite sub-group is camping, and engage in combat. (They are NOT instructed to hunt “all the Midianites in the world down and kill them”—just this group that did the treachery at Baal Peor.) They kill almost all of the males in this battle, but return to the Israelite camp with the herds and property of the Midianites, as well as with the women and (mostly girl) children.
    Moses is shocked to find out that they spared the very women who used the sex-weapon against them, and even brought these women back to the Israelite camp! He orders them to execute the women, who had been involved in the treachery (but only the Midianite women—the Moabite women are spared), and any remaining males among the children.
    The remaining young girls—with an average age of 5 years—were spared and distributed throughout the people, into families. They would eventually be assimilated into Israel families, but from this moment on, they would care for them, feed them, train them, etc. for family life in Palestine.
    The 32,000 young girls could be assimilated into Israel, largely because of the death of the 24,000 adult Israelites.
    The judgment for the atrocity at Baal Peor fell both on Israel and Midian—both would have lost around 24,000 adult members of the population, and the consequences on the Midianite children (especially the boys) would have been a direct result of the choices of their parents and leaders.
    The realities of life in the ANE precluded absorption of the residual boys into the people—in keeping with realities of the time.

    This action/atrocity by the Midianites is an intensely sordid and depressing tale, of greater scale than even that of Sodom and Gomorrah, and of greater anti-Hebrew malice and calculating treachery than even that of the Amalekites…

    The removal of this exact sub-culture (without impacting the Moabites or the rest of the Midianites—for good or ill), while mercifully sparing a very large number of innocent young girls, yet without sparing the guilty Israelites, seems neither cruel nor unfair nor unwarranted, given the horrendously dehumanizing character of this crime, and given the unavoidable consequences of conflict upon children in the ancient world… http://www.christianthinktank.com

    Miller, here again, God had to command the destruction of the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites…”…OTHERWISE, they will TEACH you to FOLLOW all the DETESTABLE things they do in worshiping their (FALSE, Pagan deities)
    and you will SIN against the LORD your God.”

    ALL of these ancient civilizations, who practiced CRASS, EVIL Idolatry came to utter ruination, as I’ve pointed out time and again.

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  13. Alvin Cummins January 30, 2016 at 7:43 AM #

    @Zoe,

    You are a brainwashed nut!!

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  14. Alvin Cummins January 30, 2016 at 7:51 AM #

    @Zoe,
    Joshua Chapter 4. Why would YOUR
    god, a supposedly loving God, order Joshua th invade the land of Ai, and kill every man, woman and child in the city? And you wantt me to worship this nebulous entity? As I said, you are a nut.

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  15. Bush Tea January 30, 2016 at 9:20 AM #

    @ Alvin
    What exactly is it that leads you to think that it is important to anyone that you worship God? BBE would have to be REALLY ‘scrunting’ to be concerned about being worshipped by a raving idiot.

    Why would God order the killing of an entire city…country ,or even planet..?

    If you were not a confirmed idiot then the answer would be obvious…. Forget BBE – you will never be able to grasp the concept… let us consider a basic everyday farmer – like Lowdown Hoad (one of Bushie’s top-drawer men)…..

    What do you think Lowdown would do if, having invested time, energy and love in his farm of goats, he noticed that a particular herd were all developing the initials ‘AC’ ….. and exhibiting traits that have become synonymous with BU’s AC clan of morons…?
    Imagine you have goats exhibiting symptoms of dementia, brassbowlery, yardfowlery, shiite-talkery and abject ‘ignorancy’ …..

    Shiite man Alvin … EVEN YOU would destroy their stupid asses before they contaminate and cause the destruction of the whole damn farm….
    or perhaps you would not….
    ’cause you are a REAL REAL goat.

    What people like you and Miller fail to recognise is that in the overall scheme of things wunna (we all) are ‘not worth shit when the gully out’…. We are EXACTLY like sheep in BBE’s farm. This is a farm designed with a PURPOSE, ..a Goal. ….and with specific objectives in mind – IN THE FARMER’S MIND – not in the mind of the shiite sheep…

    Wunna brass bowls are just lucky that BBE is a LOVING, TOLERANT AND LONG-SUFFERING farmer, cause for example, if it was up to Bushie …the whacker would have been in your ass LONGGGG time…

    You would have been a lamb stew right after your Cawmere days…. LOL ha ha ha

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  16. Zoe January 30, 2016 at 9:49 AM #

    @Alvin, If we think mankind bad in today’s world, those ancient EVIL, Idolatrous civilizations, if they were not destroyed, as God instructed, we would ALL be EATING one another literally, and WORSE!

    They SACRIFICED their LITTLE Children to their Satanic gods, can anything be more EVIL?

    BT’s analogy is DEAD ON!

    Moses had said, ‘God brought us out of Egypt. He will bring us in and give us the land’ (Deuteronomy 6:23).

    The Book of Joshua is all about this. God brought the *Israelites out of Egypt to take them into the *promised land. The *Israelites did not know completely the goodness of God until they entered the *promised land.

    When we read the Book of Joshua for the first time, it appears to be all about unpleasant wars. The *promised land already had its own inhabitants. God said that they were evil people because

    · they *worshipped false gods (Deuteronomy 20:18);
    · they *sacrificed their children to their gods (Deuteronomy 12:31);
    · they practised magic (Deuteronomy 18:9-11).

    The inhabitants did not want the *Israelites to live in the *promised land. So, the inhabitants would oppose the *Israelites. The *Israelites would have to kill the inhabitants before they could enjoy the promises of God.

    If a LOVING God, did NOT DESTROY these EVIL, wicked people, NO ONE would be left on planet earth, to experience His plan of Redemption, which IS* His LOVE, Grace and Mercy extended to ALL who are willing to REPENT, be forgiven, in, by, and THROUGH, The Lord Jesus Christ, and have the Gift of Eternal Life, with HIM, in His glorious Kingdom, of PEACE, JOY, and HAPPINESS, with NO MORE SIN!

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  17. millertheanunnaki January 30, 2016 at 12:22 PM #

    @ Zoe January 30, 2016 at 9:49 AM
    “Alvin, If we think mankind bad in today’s world, those ancient EVIL, Idolatrous civilizations, if they were not destroyed, as God instructed, we would ALL be EATING one another literally, and WORSE!
    They SACRIFICED their LITTLE Children to their Satanic gods, can anything be more EVIL?
    BT’s analogy is DEAD ON!”

    Why don’t you stop portraying your desert god Yahweh as some megalomaniac and mass murder who has no compunctions in slaughtering innocent babies?

    If that is the way your god operates then he is really not that omniscient and omnipotent. Didn’t he know (given his supreme prescience as assigned by you Zoe the Zeus of BU) that his frail and evil creations would do exactly as he intended them to do?
    He, your god Yahweh, comes across more like a dictatorial evil puppeteer of a bully manipulating his little subjects for some kind of dark deep wicked satisfaction. He is no better than his other evil creation called the Devil.

    Why didn’t he destroy the Aztecs (who regularly practicsed human sacrifice) around the same time he punished those tribes in your book of myths and legends? Or did he send the Christian Spaniards to do his dirty work?

    How come your god Yawheh has not seen it fit to “destroy” the Hindus and other Eastern religious sects who worship multiple gods and do all sorts of ‘evil and dirty’ things contrary to what your god Yahweh instructed his chosen people to do?

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  18. Vincent Haynes January 30, 2016 at 12:24 PM #

    Bush Tea January 30, 2016 at 9:20 AM #

    I thought better of you…..siding with Zoe to justify past genocide is bad enough but to justify present day genocide of 30% of Bim because they think like the ACs is realy beyond the pale…..then of all things introduce this nebulous thing called god/bbe to justify it……have you no shame….I shall have you read out…….not sure out of what yet.

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  19. Zoe January 30, 2016 at 2:55 PM #

    @Miller, Cummins, Haynes, the BU ‘Trinity’ of foolish, ignorant God-Haters, you all can scorn, mock, deride, scoff and and laugh all you want NOW, but, the time is coming when you will HAVE to BOW your knees to the ONE you willfully CHOSE to reject, this is NO joking matter either!

    Philippians 2:10-11

    “So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    Romans 14:11

    “For it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.”

    Philippians 2:9-11

    “Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”

    Isaiah 45:23

    “By myself I have sworn; from my mouth has gone out in righteousness a word that shall not return: ‘To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance.’

    Philippians 2:10

    “So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth”

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  20. David February 3, 2016 at 6:11 PM #

    Religion!

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  21. Vincent Haynes February 3, 2016 at 6:39 PM #

    Zoe January 30, 2016 at 2:55 PM #

    Skippah….Ah only now come back to this blog to see what David post….ah good one by the way…but after reading the opening para yuh got muh confused,according to your many previous copy&paste the knee belongs to god,so effen it bow it would be his doing plus all of my doings would be with his permission…….dis religion/copy&paste ting real confusing doh…..

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  22. Exclaimer September 8, 2016 at 6:01 PM #

    Finally the church speaks out!

    Below is a story from today’s Nation.

    http://www.nationnews.com/IMG/357/69357/nuala-menezes-and-jason-gordon2551-450×303.jpg?1473364040

    “Atheism a concern for Catholic church”

    THE CATHOLIC CHURCH is trying to get young people interested in church again.

    This was revealed today by Bishop of Barbados Jason Gordon who said more young people were becoming atheists.

    “In Barbados in the last census in 2010 there are 49 000 people now who say they have no religion and that for Barbados is a very high number,” he said.

    Gordon was speaking at the Living Water Community in St David’s, Christ Church during the 9th Annual General Meeting of SIGNIS Caribbean, a Catholic communications organisation.

    “We are finding a generation growing up in households where they have no reference to God and then we find that atheism is completely normal,” the bishop said.

    The meeting which focused on training Catholic leaders from the Caribbean in the area of technology will end today.

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  23. Georgie Porgie September 8, 2016 at 6:11 PM #

    wHEN WE WERE TEENAGERS WE WENT TO CHURCH AND SUNDAY SCHOOL

    WE DID NOT DO DRUGS OR SELL THEM
    WE HAD A SENSE OF RIGHT AND WRONG BECAUSE WE HAD BEEN TAUGHT ABOUT GOD

    THE ONLY GUNS WE PLAYED WITH WERE HANDMADE TO SHOOT CRABEYES OR WE HAD CAP GUNS

    WE WERE HOME AND IN BED AT UNGODLY HOURS OF THE WEE HOURS OF THE MORNING

    I AM GLAD THAT I GREW UP IN CHURCH

    I HAVE HAPPY MEMORIES OF BOYS AND GIRLS AS PART OF MY SOCIALISATION AT CHURCH ACTIVITIS

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  24. Exclaimer September 8, 2016 at 6:28 PM #

    @ GP,

    I was being sarcastic!

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  25. Georgie Porgie September 8, 2016 at 6:53 PM #

    THATS OK SIR

    MY POINT IS THAT THOSE OF US WHO WERE RAISED IN THE 50’S 60’S BEHAVED A LITTLE BETTER

    IT IS SAD THAT THE CHURCH IS NOW RECOGNIZING THE OBVIOUS

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  26. Anonymouse - The Gazer September 8, 2016 at 7:23 PM #

    Why wunna summonsing up the Zoe??
    Hope he is ok…

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  27. Bush Tea September 8, 2016 at 9:10 PM #

    Even putting aside the interests of the Church, any government with intelligent intent would see the value to society in general – of exposing its young people to a value system that is rooted in LOVE. Religion was even thought in schools…
    The churches of the 60s and 70s probably had no better understanding of BBE’s plan than do the present churches, but they at least played an IMPORTANT socialisation role in building a far more cohesive, respectful society with common, uplifting values.

    Present day children CLEARLY are at a disadvantage in this respect. They find themselves far more susceptible to the destructive temptations of life such as drugs, illicit sex, crime and violence.
    So now, instead of the trusty dependable (and inexpensive) village pastor /priest, we employ school counsellors, psychologists and psychiatrists at great expense …and with piss poor results compared to the old days.

    We just seem to follow whatever our albino masters dictate – even when we can see the disastrous results in THEIR societies. Brass bowls just do not think for themselves.

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