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The Lucifer Project

Submitted by Terence Blackett

TBThe Rise of Satanic Super Soldiers – Death Cults, Subliminal Sublimation, #WW3 Indoctrination & Quasi-Biological Armageddon

And there was war in Heaven…And the great dragon was cast out, that old Serpent, […]called the Devil and Satan that deceives the whole world: he was cast into the earth… Rev.12:7,9

 

In a 2014 report by Reuters, it is suggested that a little known amphetamine called ‘Fenethylline’ under the USA Trademark ‘Captagon’ has been responsible for creating super-soldiers in Syria and wherever jihadists from the so-called Islamic State now operate.

Few are really prepared for the coming crisis and although countless millions desire a life of peace and safety, we know that sudden destruction is coming upon the world as men are gathered together for the “BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON”!

The historical ledger of human folly is bloated in ignominy and the tragedy of evil, wicked, hateful men have become the norm – damning our world into perdition. Much of what we are witnessing today is based on a transhumanist ideology which has been rifled with imperious evil, conspiratorial corruption and dangerous minefields, as more and more mass murder occurs, followed by human annihilation on an apocalyptic scale. As we’re griped in the quagmire of perpetual war, never-ending terror, distress of nations with perplexity, as men’s hearts are failing them for fear, knowing those things which are about to come upon the earth.

Some will argue that there’s nothing new under the sun and there is a modicum of truth and logic in that, but we must understand the concept of “Scale” when looking at history, prophecy and current trends on the ground.

At the ‘Genesis’ of mankind, polarising issues such as: – the fallen, apostate, sons of God (Bene ha Elohim/Nephilim) fought to destroy the pure sons of God, through exogenous transgenesis. Back then, evil had reached such a superlative degree, that God saw that the “Imaginations” of men’s hearts, were only “evil” continually. This primordial evil of transhumanism became so rampant on the earth, after the fall of Cain, that by the 10th generation of Noah, the Creator God had to issue a final ultimatum. The cup of evil had reached quasi-biological Armageddon. Mankind’s petulance had reached tipping point. The created “Image” of God in man had become so tarnished – marred by this evolutionary transgenesis into sub-human species that annihilation was the only last resort.

Today, the same “recyclical primordiality” of Adamic intrigue have reached down to our time. Like the antediluvians, we are dabbling in “Genetic Manipulation” as the Elites seek to create mankind in their own image – a superior race of super-beings and lifeforms capable of feats only seen in Hollywood movies.

Solomon – king of Israel, wrote in Ecclesiastes 3:15: “What is happening now has happened before, and what will happen in the future has happened before, because God allows the same things to happen over and over again.” We’ve seen this in the historical record of the Epic of Gilgamesh & the fall of ancient empires based on perpetual wars, divisive conquest, the mythology of Lost Atlantis, the search for the Golden Fleece, Egyptian Pyramidology, the gods of RA, the Anunnaki, Sun & Moon worship and the “Society of Jesus”(#Jesuits). There is also the invidious nature of royal blue bloodlines, blood-lust, blood-oaths, pagan blood-sacrifices, blood covenants, the empyreal god #ISIS and its modern spurious variant, geo-engineered climate change, hollow earth theses, synthetic humanoids and the quest for extra-terrestrial civilizations and life-forms. These and others are but a few of mankind’s on-going dark, lurid and sinister fascinations and preoccupations – harping back to a time in the unwritten, lost history of man’s sojourn upon the earth.

Scripture tells us in the ‘Genesis’ of Satanic super-soldiers, like Nimrod, (one of [16] grandsons of Noah), cited in (Gen. 10:11) and also chiselled into the paleo-anthropological record of the Epic of Gilgamesh – that he was a genetically engineered super soldier who hunted, ruled & built the civilizations of Babel & Assyria. (It is said that Babel’s Tower foundation circumference was literally 3 days walk). Today, ancient Assyrian monolithic structures are being destroyed and sold on by a new breed of Satanic super soldier in the Middle East – scrubbing history of pertinent artefacts and re-writing a sordid tale of lies and sophistry.

Many of these sociopathic dynasties cited in the prophetic dream of Nebuchadnezzar (interpreted in Daniel chapter 2) saw the rise and fall of Babylonia, Medo-Persia, Greece & Roman Empire – civilizations that propagated and prospered through perpetual war and territorial conquest, human subjugation, infamy and death. Each of them, collapsing under the weight of a Mighty “Invisible” Hand!

Prophetic history, cited in the written record, spawned such idiopathically blind rulers as Belshazzar, Alexander the great, Emperor Caligula and others who became quasi-living “gods” in human flesh – tortured by their own twisted sense of self-worth and “worshipped” as the Pope is today, by myopically challenged and fiercely ignorant subjects, who fall under the tyranny of deep, subliminal, mind control – spiritually carpet-bombed into mindless allegiance and puerile subservience.

Any careful, systematic study of bygone civilizations will show a lurid pattern of entrenched wars, virulent conquest, abject subjugation and subservience to the will of an Elite group of individuals who lacked creative or meaningful ways to live harmoniously with each other. There was neither insistence on strategic, creative or peripheral thinking in their approach to mother earth or sought ways to preserve ecological and planetary equilibrium.

As a result, the Roman Empire (of which we are an extension based on the toenails of the prophecy of Daniel Chapter 2) is today a loose confederation of “iron & clay” being held together by flimsy religio-political (church-state union), bio-racial amalgamations and socioeconomic intermarriages. Roman history, from which all our current evils flow, with all its warped vagaries produced avowed narcissistic rulers like Julius & Tiberius Caesar, Justinian, Constantine the great and Herod the tetrarch – all demanding worship through malignity, mass murder, repression, sophistry and infanticide – pushing the concept of subliminal, cognitive infiltration and blood-lust to whole new level. These men, whose satanically-induced, personality-neuroses left the bloodied pages of history without an equal. Yet, these few mere mentions are but stagnant drops in that vast ocean of pathologically, divisive characters that disgraced the annuals of world history. Sadly, Scripture cites past history as but a menacing shadow of what our future reality holds, given the ebb and flow towards the looming spectre of #WW3!

The harbingers epitomized by the evil prevalent in our world cannot be ignored. The lists of “actors” are vast and the theatre of engagement insurmountable.

For all of the 20th century until today, this is a snapshot of what has occurred:

#WW1 & #WW2; atomic bombs on Hiroshima & Nagasaki & rise of the Japanese military; IndoChina War; Korean war; Vietnam war; 2 Gulf Wars with added State-sponsored “Terror”; the rise of #ISIS aka #ISIL aka #IS; fuelling non-stop & perpetual wars; ‘shock & awe’ from launched ICMB cruise missiles & predatory drone strikes; indiscriminate land-mining; phosphorus cluster bombs, & barrel bombs; Iraq/Afghanistan depleted uranium bombs & its effects; US/Israeli biological & chemical weaponry stockpiles; terrorist watch-lists & labelled enemy combatants; US-created Mujahedeen/Taliban/Al-Queda/ISIS fighters; anti-Russian propaganda & nuclear brinkmanship; overt/inert full-spectrum dominance; 3-strikes-you’re-OUT; detention without trial & maximum-security detention; Black-OPS mercenaries aka US sponsored Blackwater paramilitaries & other shadowy defence contractors with targeted Black-OP assassinations; extraordinary rendition; political/military plausible deniability; intelligence-services sponsored torture (water-boarding & electrical shocks to human genitalia); indefinite Guantanamo Bay detention; neoNazis @Abu Ghraib; FEMA Nazi Auschwitz style death camps & undying Holocaust remembrance; a 20th & 21st century catalogue of genocidal atrocities; social/moral/economic apartheid in predominately Black nations; oil-rich Niger Delta Boko Haram Islamic State insurgents; 9-11/7-7 False Flags; Arab Spring; Orange & Umbrella Revolutions; Iraqi/Afghanistan/Libyan/Syrian/Yemen & possible Iranian regime change; Russian sanctions (East v West fractured détente); drug/human trafficking & socially engineered migration debacles; social flux & fragmentation; moral impunity; disguised fascists & neo-fascists; global poverty v global super-rich; megalomaniacs, plutocrats & insane kleptocrats; oligarchs & oligopolies; malicious political propaganda; racial science, #WhitePrivilege & pervasively sinister, Elitist ideological corruption; poverty profiteering; illegal offshore tax havens; HSBC/International banking money laundering scandals & arms contractors; predatory private bank bail-outs & bail-ins; too-big-to-save v too-big-to-fail; monopoly/predatory capitalism; systemic financialization; corporate personhood; golden parachutes & golden handshakes; whistleblowers; corporate mediazation; public relations SPIN; Elite wealth redistribution masked as austerity; IMF structural adjustment programmes and the increasingly austere moves toward global economic hegemony as the New World Order cements their physical, social, financial and religious exploitation of the rest of us; police brutality & license murder by COP; NSA surveillance & mass intrusion; lab-created diseases (EBOLA, SARS, H1NI, H5N1, MERS); TTIP & GMO foods; unexplainable ecological phenomena (mass fish, birds & animal die-OFFS); RFID/human chips; human cloning; issues over fracking & poisoned water tables; mountain-top removal; Canadian tar sands; Fukushima nuclear fall-out debacle; and a looming apocalyptically engineered New World Order crisis on our doorsteps.

Welcome to planet earth in the 21st century!

If these in your face references are not leading to the ultimate crisis called World War 3 – then the interpretation of the “handwriting” on the wall is misplaced. If all we’re seeing is but a storm in a teacup – should we not shudder to think what more is to come or will happen?

During the recent Papal Vaticano Encyclical “Laudato Si” by Pontifex Maximus Francis Mario Bergoglio aka Pope Francis (of Assisi) tweeted the following words from his Twitter handle @Pontifex: “The earth has become a pit of FILTH*.” Most commentators seemingly overlooked this malevolent quote and simply moved on to either take sides in the current debate on “Climate Change” scheduled to take place in France or to prop up their beleaguered counter arguments with more pseudo-scientific spin. What’s increasingly clear to many is that this world has not been built by caring human beings, but rather has been constructed and run by powerful, hollow, soulless, heartless, Godless individuals who are doing the bidding of their master Satan (Lucifer disguised as an angel of light).

Ancient history lessons allude to almost 6000 years of some of the most barbaric atrocities mankind have inflicted on the planet – leaving a legacy of such maleficent darkness that modern scientists believe that based on the reckoning of the “Doomsday Clock” and the proliferation of the current arms race – puts us within “3 minutes” striking distance of MIDNIGHT! Yet the scoffers, naysayers, soothsayers and deniers refuse to see the ‘handwriting’ on the wall – choosing denial over the obvious; choosing to be blindfolded by a ribbon of darkness, rather than to walk in the precious light of Biblical “Truth”.

Andrew Hessel, co-chair of Singularity University bioinformatics and biotechnology posits that: “We’re going to make synthetic human genomes and edit them, and we’re going to end up with IVF technologies that can boot them. It will make cloning look organic, and the ways we have babies today quaint.” This is not conspiracy – this is FACT!

Most are completely oblivious to the fact that this piece entitled “The Lucifer Project” was first coined in a book entitled: “Behold a Pale Horse” by William Cooper (1991:72) where it is stated that the Galileo probe would be directed into a controlled descent into Jupiter and at the end of its mission, its plutonium fuel rods would implode to create a nuclear fission bomb that would trigger the emergence of a new sun.

Cooper’s 1991 book presaged the Vatican’s subliminal role later exposed by Dr Malachi Martin( in the book ‘The Keys of This Blood’) as trying to merge astroscience with religion, recognizing the ramifications of astrobiology and specifically the discovery of advanced extra-terrestrial life-forms during the 1950’s from reports on Area 51(a detachment of Edwards Air Force Base, Calif.).

In 1997, when the Vatican began to heavily invest in the study of deep space science phenomena at the Mt Graham Observatory in Arizona using the acronym L.U.C.I.F.E.R. which stands for “Large Binocular Telescope Near-infrared Utility with Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extragalactic Research,” where a chilled instrument attached to a telescope would voyeur into deep space in search of the illusive “Emerging Star”.

Vatican scholars in astrophysics and astrocosmology actually believe that Jesus might have been the “Star-Child” of an alien race – when Monsignor Corrado Balducci, an exorcist, demonologist, theologian and member of the Vatican Curia said that “extra-terrestrial encounters are not demonic – they are not due to psychological impairment, and they are not a case of entity attachment, but these encounters deserve to be studied carefully.” Hence the Vatican’s search for an “extra-terrestrial saviour” as authors Putnam & Horn suggest remains a major penchant of Catholic theology as they expect in our lifetime, to see a visible manifestation of the “Star-Child” as Muslims cite that the MAHDI* will arise to lead a new breed of super-soldiers.

In conclusion, Fredrick Soddy – British Nobel Prize winning chemist who established isotopes in 1909 wrote: “I believe that there have been civilizations in the past that were familiar with atomic energy, and that by misusing it they were totally destroyed.” If nothing then is new under the sun, author R. A Boulay perfectly frames the mindset of most human beings today on the earth, where he opined: “Man has been conditioned for millennia to deny the truth of his ancestry and as a palliative; we have developed a convenient form of amnesia.”

The world is primed for implosion! The spirits of demons are set to be fully unleashed upon this planet. The bloodbath according to the prophetic record will reach the height of a horse’s bridle as the plagues fall – turning the seas into blood, along with the springs and fountains of water. Yet in all the mayhem and bedlam that will fill the earth; with the proliferation of evil at nebulous proportions – mankind will simply refuse to make any apology or REPENTANCE* for their evil deeds.

Global collapse disorder and subliminal sublimation fuelled by the precursors and praxis of Satanic super soldiers fomented by #ISIS aka #ISIL aka #IS; Boko Haram & others will give rise to the “chosen ones” – the “shock troops of antichrist”, the MAHDI* (false prophet), intent on the “Black Awakening” – hell-bent on global sabotage and the stifling fumes of darkness from the Bottomless Pit will result in the complete annihilation of one-third of mankind by #WW3.

Today, these Satanic super-soldiers are dirtying the world with the blood of the innocents through mass executions; beheadings similar to the #Dominicans and #Jesuit orchestrated French Revolution; wanton rape; savagery & human slavery; vile bondage and incessant pillage. This is not an “IDEOLOGY” as lying politicians would have us believe – this is the “new spirituality”: a diabolical form of “neo-transhumanism”, where as in the days of Noah when the ‘Nephilim’ apostate humans walked and ruled the earth and the imaginations of men’s hearts, were only evil continually – we are seeing a similar, almost identical pattern of primordial “EVIL” rampant in our world today.

Time to awake out of sleep folks! The “Valley of Achor” beckons. The time has come to choose a side…

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289 Comments on “The Lucifer Project”

  1. Zoe November 29, 2015 at 12:55 PM #

    Miller, you are a FOOL! Spiritually INEPT FOOL!

    “A fool has no delight in understanding, but in expressing his own heart.” Proverbs 18:2

    “The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: (He does this every DAY)
    The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee” (Yes, He IS always gracious to me, according to His Word)

    Now you decide who is this Yahweh making his face to shine.

    I KNOW who Yahweh IS* He IS* my Lord and my God! Not some Demonic deity like Horus, your sun god, or maybe Utu, then it might be Shamesh, who keeps you in your misery of DARKNESS!!!

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  2. Donna November 29, 2015 at 1:22 PM #

    Wait! Are you people humour challenged? Nobody likes my joke? I get it. You scroll past the simple lady to sink your teeth into the pompous male prig. Whatever your poison. Enjoy!

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  3. Zoe November 29, 2015 at 1:43 PM #

    The Bible: Its Wonderful Unity

    The Bible is more than just a book. It is a library of books. The books of the Bible are united in such a wonderful way that one is forced to the conclusion that it is more than a random collection of literary works.

    There is behind the Bible a hand that guides and controls it from its revelation to its preservation. The Greek term biblia originally meant “books.”

    The prophet Daniel was reading the prophetic writings of Jeremiah and the Scripture says that Jeremiah was included in “the books” (Dan. 9:2). Over the years, the plural came to be a singular and “the books” simply became the book. That is the Bible, a book of wonderful unity.

    To appreciate the wonderful unity of the Bible, one should look at its diversity first. The Hebrew writer tells us,

    “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son. . .” (Heb. 1:1-2a).

    The tense of “hath spoken” means that all that God has revealed to man has been revealed. It is complete.

    Down through centuries of revelation, these diverse ways were blended together by a common thread. The Bible is a record of the revelations of God to man in various times or ages, by different men and methods.

    The truth that God spoke through Christ is also affirmed by this statement.

    “In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: that in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him” (Eph. 1:7-10).

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  4. Zoe November 29, 2015 at 2:04 PM #

    No other World religion, has anything even remotely close, to the Prophecies declared in the OT, and exactly FULFILLED by Jesus in the New Testament.

    The empirical, factual, historical evidence, as fulfilled IN Jesus’ life, could ONLY come TRUE, as it HAS, by the Omnipotent Hand of Almighty God, who Inspired the writings of His Word, the Bible.

    Satan’s purpose has always been to obscure, and falsify the simplicity of the cross in its application to our sin problem.

    The Son of the Eternal Father’s substitutional death on the cross stands at the heart of all other salvation truths revealed in the Bible. Jesus willingly took our place in suffering the penalty for sin. The demands of the Law against the transgressor were fully satisfied by His voluntary acceptance of our punishment that holy day in Jerusalem, when hanging on the cross He said; “it is finished”.

    It was the Savior’s incarnate entrance into the human family which laid the foundation for the entire redemptive process.

    According to the Scriptures, He had to be born of a virgin in Bethlehem, live a sinless life, ride into Jerusalem on a foal of a donkey precisely on April 6, 32 A.D., exactly 173,880 days after the command to rebuild Jerusalem by the Babylonian king Artaxerxes.

    The Jewish Messiah also had to suffer and lay down His life for our sins. This is clearly shown in Isaiah 53. He did this for both Jews and Gentiles.

    There were over 360 prophecies foretold about the coming Jewish Messiah – hundreds of years before Jesus was born in Bethlehem.

    Jesus fulfilled all 365 of these prophecies. Of these 360+ prophecies, there are 109 that only Jesus (Yeshua) could have fulfilled. See complete list of 365 Messianic Prophecies here. http://www.bibleprobe.com

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  5. Zoe November 29, 2015 at 2:22 PM #

    Miller, that is why all of the dozens of OTHER so-called books of Scripture, were EXCLUDED from the Canon of God’s Word, the Bible.

    They ALL contained in one way or the other, some contradictory statements, re Salvation, prophetic issue, etc.,that were NEVER found in the Bible. and went totally AGAINST what Almighty God, had already Inspired in His Word.

    Satan was the force behind these SPURIOUS books, as he always WAS from the beginning, A LIAR, the FATHER of ALL LIES, and ‘spiritual’ DECEPTION, which he has presented in avast array of other ‘religious’ MYTHS and LIES, like the Annunaki, that you have bought INTO, that IS* FABLES, MYTHS, and LIES!!!

    Absolutely NO factual, historical evidence in this ANNUNAKI hogwash!!!

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  6. Zoe November 29, 2015 at 2:43 PM #

    Jesus the Good Shepherd.

    “Then Jesus said to them again, ‘Most assuredly, I say to you, I AM the door of the sheep.”

    “All who ever came before Me are THIEVES and ROBBERS, but the sheep did not hear them.”

    “I am the DOOR. If anyone enters by Me, he will be Saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.”

    “The THIEF (Satan) does not come except to STEAL, and to KILL, and to DESTROY. I have come that they may have LIFE, and that they may have it MORE ABUNDANTLY.” (John 10: 7-10) Emphasis added.

    ABUNDANTLY: ‘Perissos’ Means superabundance, excessive, overflowing, surplus, over and above, more than enough, profuse, extraordinary, more than sufficient.

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  7. Vincent Haynes November 29, 2015 at 2:56 PM #

    @Miller

    Duh energiser bunny still going….yuh cyan tek out duh battery?

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  8. David November 29, 2015 at 3:43 PM #

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  9. millertheanunnaki November 29, 2015 at 4:36 PM #

    @ Zoe November 29, 2015 at 2:04 PM
    “No other World religion, has anything even remotely close, to the Prophecies declared in the OT, and exactly FULFILLED by Jesus in the New Testament.”

    Isn’t that statement a paradox of complete contradictions?
    How can other World religions embrace and espouse the prophecies in the Judeo-Christian version of witchcraft and obeah? Isn’t that similar to a Toyota car dealer with an exclusivity contract selling Nissan cars and spares?

    Now what would you call, (if not witchcraft or obeah of which Bishop Granville would have been well pleased), the following:

    “And on the eighth day he shall take to him two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, and come before the LORD unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and give them unto the priest.”

    “According to the Scriptures, He had to be born of a virgin in Bethlehem, live a sinless life, ride into Jerusalem on a foal of a donkey precisely on April 6, 32 A.D., exactly 173,880 days after the command to rebuild Jerusalem by the Babylonian king Artaxerxes.”

    Now Zoe since you are the World renowned cut and paste expert on all matters biblical please inform the BU family where in the Bible can we find that date of April 6, 32AD, exactly 173,880 days after our the reincarnation of our own BU King Artaxerxes. Was that date a Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox?

    “Jesus willingly took our place in suffering the penalty for sin. The demands of the Law against the transgressor were fully satisfied by His voluntary acceptance of our punishment that holy day in Jerusalem, when hanging on the cross He said; “it is finished”.”

    So if Jesus died for the sins of mankind why do you subscribe to the system of Capital Punishment by killing reflecting the OT principle of “an eye for an eye and a tooth for tooth”?

    How come you quote Jesus’s last words on the proverbial cross as “it is finished”?
    What about his other last words that the other playwrights concocted in complete contradiction?

    “About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “”Eloi, Eloi,” “lama” “sabachthani?””–which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
    ~ Playwrights using the pen names Matthew and Mark.

    “… for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two.
    46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last.” ~ Playwright using the pen name Luke.

    So Zoe which one of these versions of Jesus’s last words is inspired by “God” and is the ‘genuine ‘scripture or divine account of Jesus’s last words on the cross if you understand the real meaning of “Cross”?

    We will not even pursue the other contradictions and differences the various playwrights have made regarding the birth of your sweet baby Jesus.

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  10. Georgie Porgie November 29, 2015 at 5:46 PM #

    millertheanunnaki November 29, 2015 at 4:36 PM #
    @ Zoe November 29, 2015 at 2:04 PM

    You should take the time to read Arthur Pink”s Why four Gospels before talking rubbish on BU about a matter of which your ignorance abounds

    http://www.ccel.org/p/pink/gospels/cache/gospels.pdf

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  11. Zoe November 29, 2015 at 8:52 PM #

    Georgie Porgie November 29, 2015 at 5:46 PM #
    millertheanunnaki November 29, 2015 at 4:36 PM #
    @ Zoe November 29, 2015 at 2:04 PM

    You should take the time to read Arthur Pink”s Why four Gospels before talking rubbish on BU about a matter of which your ignorance abounds

    http://www.ccel.org/p/pink/gospels/cache/gospels.pdf

    Absolutely GP, Miller’s abounding IGNORANCE, is exceeded only by his abject ARROGANCE!!

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  12. Zoe November 29, 2015 at 9:23 PM #

    millertheanunnaki November 29, 2015 at 4:36 PM #
    @ Zoe November 29, 2015 at 2:04 PM
    “No other World religion, has anything even remotely close, to the Prophecies declared in the OT, and exactly FULFILLED by Jesus in the New Testament.”

    Isn’t that statement a paradox of complete contradictions?

    Miller, the context of my above statement, is, that NO other World religion has ANY prophecies relating to their supposed saviour’s, and historic fulfillment, as Christianity does.

    Because they are ALL MYTHS, whereas, Christianity IS* an Historically grounded FAITH!

    Regarding the alleged contradiction in the Bible; each and every one of them have been answered by scholars, in detail, and are far too extensive in scope, to carry here on BU.

    Further, Miller, I will NOT be dragged into the NONSENSE you post, and the IGNORANT, Red-herring distractives, you attempt at using, to take away from the undisputable, undeniable, facts and evidence of Historically based Christianity, which you nor those of your ilk, can EVER, and will NEVER be able to honestly refute.

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  13. ac November 29, 2015 at 9:36 PM #

    Still with all the bible translation and interpretations you still cannot explain Faith.

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  14. Zoe November 29, 2015 at 9:37 PM #

    David, Any so-called Priest, presumably, Catholic, I did not listen to the video, that the church invented Hell, to control people, is talking NONSENSE!

    However, as a Catholic Priest, he should know the myriad of INVENTED dogmas,and doctrines, Catholicism FABRICATED over the centuries, such as Purgatory, auricular Confession to Priest, etc, etc., in order to CONTROL their people.

    The LIE that the church invented Hell, is a wicked perversion of Biblical TRUTH; Jesus said more about Hell, and eternal damnation, than anyone else in the NT.

    BTW David, I know both Dictionary and Ph.D personally, and Ph.D is most certainly NOT Dictionary! Just for the record!

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  15. ac November 29, 2015 at 9:46 PM #

    ANOTHER question How is it that the disciples did not recognize Jesus after his resurrection Weren/t the disciples the closest people to Jesus and part of his missionary. Doesn/t the fact that the disciples did not recognize Jesus exposes a blatant contradiction while exposing what could be the hidden truth of a false claim to Jesus resurrection.

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  16. Georgie Porgie November 29, 2015 at 9:53 PM #

    YOUR QUESTION OUGHT TO BE HOW DID MARY RECOGNIZE JESUS AFTER HE CALLED HER NAME
    CHECK JOHN 10:3 FOR THE ANSWER

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  17. Zoe November 29, 2015 at 9:56 PM #

    The Church has seen dramatic and explosive growth in Asia, Africa and South America.

    The growth of the African Church in particular is jaw-dropping. In 1900 there were fewer than 9 million Christians in Africa. Now there are more than 541 million. In the last 15 years alone, the Church in Africa has seen a 51 per cent increase, which works out on average at around 33,000 people either becoming Christians or being born into Christian families each day in Africa alone.

    The testimonies of these wonderful African brothers and sisters, as they experience the Joy, Happiness and true purpose for their lives, in, by, and through Christ, has to be seen and heard; even some DEAD people are being raised back to life, in the Only Name, the Lord Jesus Christ, for HE, ALONE, as He declared, |”I AM the Resurrection and the Life.”

    Glory to God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, for EVER, and EVER, Amen!

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  18. ac November 29, 2015 at 9:58 PM #

    I do not expect an answer but the question is serious in nature and expecting a religious fanatic to answer is like expecting a dead person to rise fro a grave,
    The question attacks the root of conviction and delve into the evilness of man ability to connive and deceive.
    In all possibility there would have been one visible aspect of Jesus, character that would have given significant proof immediately of his identity without having to see the nail prints ,
    After all he was only dead for three days and nothing significant would have change,Then again why would Jesus want to change his identity to confound his disciples.

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  19. ac November 29, 2015 at 10:07 PM #

    24 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. 5 In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? 6 He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 7 ‘The Son of Man must be delivered over to the hands of sinners, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.’ ” 8 Then they remembered his words.
    9 When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others. 10 It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them who told this to the apostles. 11 But they did not believe the women, because their words seemed to them like nonsense. 12 Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away, wondering to himself what had happened.
    13 Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles[a] from Jerusalem. 14 They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. 15 As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16 but they were kept from recognizing him.

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  20. Georgie Porgie November 29, 2015 at 10:14 PM #

    BIRD BRAIN
    ASK YOURSELF THIS
    1 HOW DID JESUS LOOK WHEN TAKEN DOWN FROM THE CROSS AFTER THE BATTERING HE TOOK TO HIS FACE
    2 DID THE DISCIPLES EXPECT TO SEE HIM ALIVE THREE DAYS AFTERWARDS
    3 HOW DID MARY RECOGNIZE HIM?

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  21. Georgie Porgie November 29, 2015 at 10:17 PM #

    ZOE
    I WILL MAKE FOUR POSTS THAT YOU CAN DOWNLOAD AND KEEP AS COLLATERAL READING TO PINK’S WHY FOUR GOSPELS. I DOWNLOADED THIS IN 98 BUT CANT FIND A LINK NOW

    THE FOUR GOSPELS

    INTRODUCTION

    The four Gospels are the crux of the Bible. They are the historical focus of Old Testament prophecy, and the factual basis of New Testament theology. They are not the terminus of Old Testament prophecy, much of which runs on into times even yet future; but they are the mainline junction, on which all Old Testament branch-lines converge. All lines now become one main line in the historical JESUS OF NAZARETH. We change here from that which is distinctively Jewish to that which is distinctively Christian; from the old covenant and dispensation to the new covenant and dispensation; from Moses to Christ; from law to grace.

    Let us now look at the parallel which can be seen between the four Gospels and the “living creatures” or cherubim in the opening vision of the prophet Ezekiel. Ezekiel 1:10 describes them as thus: “As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side; and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.” The lion symbolizes strength, kingship; the man, highest intelligence; the ox, lowly service; the eagle, heavenliness, mystery,
    Divinity. These “living creatures” symbolically express the four basic social aspects of the Divine Nature; and it was inevitable that when the Divine Son Himself became incarnate the same four aspects should again conspicuously manifest themselves – as they do in the characteristic emphases of the four Gospels.

     In Matthew we see the Messiah-King (the lion). 
     In Mark we see Jehovah's Servant (the ox). 
     In Luke we see the Son of Man (the man). 
     In John we see the Son of God (the eagle). 
    

    It needs all four aspects to give the full truth. As Sovereign He comes to reign and rule. As Servant He comes to serve and suffer. As Son of Man He comes to share and sympathise. As Son of God He comes to reveal and redeem. Wonderful fourfold blending – sovereignty and humility; humanity and deity!

    Likewise Ezekiel’s vision shows – ‘!they four had one likeness” and two wings of every one were joined to another” – so it is with the four Gospels: amid their marked diversity they all portray “one likeness,” the same wonderful Person, and all the way through their “wings are joined one to another.”

    THE GOSPEL OF MATTHEW

    We know only four things about Matthew with certainty, but they are most revealing.

     He was a "publican" (10:3), a Jew who had become a tax collector for the hated Romans, which was regarded as  dishonorable. We read of "publicans and sinners", which indicates the general moral level. Matthew in a self humbling  reminder calls himself a publican (Matthew 9:9, 10:3) and places publicans in the group with harlots, (21:31). Matthew's  reporting of them reveals his self-abasing humility.  He became a disciple of Jesus (9:9). Mark and Luke tell that when he left the "receipt of custom" he opened "his own
    

    house” to our Lord; that he gave a “great feast’ for many other publicans to hear Jesus; and Ca hint of his considerable wealth) that “he left all.” Not one of these things does Matthew himself tell. His omissions also reveal humility.
    He was later appointed an apostle (10:3). In the three accounts, our Lord sent the apostles out two by two (Mark 6:7). In each account Matthew and Thomas go together and are given in that order by both Mark and Luke; but Matthew puts Thomas first, another token of humility.
    He became the writer of the Gospel which bears his name – of which it is said: “The book is probably the most useful ever written; it comes first in the New Testament collection, and has done more than any other to create the impression of Jesus that the world has obtained.

    THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN

    It is of primary importance as we approach the Gospel of Matthew that we know what is meant by the expression “kingdom of Heaven.” This expression is peculiar to this Gospel. It occurs 32 times. The word “kingdom” occurs 50 times. The kingdom of heaven was the main subject of our Lord’s preaching. A proper understanding of this phrase is essential to the interpretation of the Gospel of Matthew and the Bible.

    It is supposed by many that the “kingdom of heaven” is a spiritual kingdom, more or less identical with the Church – however, to identify it as the Church is to obscure the clear teaching of the Word.

    Both John and our Lord began by proclaiming, “The kingdom of heaven is at hand”; yet neither explained what that kingdom was. Why? Because the people knew, without need of explanation, that it meant the Messianic kingdom long-promised through the Old Testament prophets. A kingdom, which, was to be set up, by the coming Messiah from heaven, on this earth with heaven’s standards (Daniel 2:44; 7:14,27).

    That which is foretold is a visible kingdom, not a spiritual kingdom. The Messiah is to reign on the throne of David, over a reunited Israel and the Gentile nations, in a world empire. There are exalted ethical and spiritual aspects forecast of the kingdom, but the kingdom itself is to be visible, a physical kingdom here on earth.

    The kingdom was rejected and the King crucified. So the kingdom is withdrawn. “His blood be upon us, and on our children!” yelled the Jewish leaders. “How often would I!.. .Ye would not.. Ye shall not…” (Matthew 23:37,39). Israel would not see, and now cannot see. “Blindness in part is happened unto Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in” (Romans 11:25).

    The Church is not the kingdom; NOR IS THIS PRESENT AGE THE KINGDOM AGE. Judgment fell on Israel; THAT AGE ENDED: the kingdom of heaven was withdrawn for the time being; and now, meanwhile, there swings into view God’s further purpose, the wonderful new movement through the Church, in this present dispensation (age) of grace.

    The kingdom will be set up when the King returns and a repentant Israel says, ‘Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord.”

    THE COMPOSITION OF MATTHEW’S GOSPEL

    The structure of the Gospel of Matthew is quite simple. It is built around two geographical statements concerning Jesus. “Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, HE DEPARTED INTO GALILEE” (Matthew 4:12).

     "And it came to pass that when Jesus had finished these sayings, HE DEPARTED FROM GALILEE,
     and came into the coasts of Judea beyond Jordan" (Matthew 19:1). 
    

    Up to the first of these (4:12) all is introductory – and in Judea. After the second (19:1) all is culminative (moving toward! And preparing for the climax, the crescendo) – back in Judea. Between the two is the ministry in Galilee, which occupies the bulk of the book.

    I. INTRODUCTION, Chapters 1 – 4:11

    A. Genealogy and Record of Virgin Birth, chapter 1

    Genealogy (1:1-17) – Matthew’s genealogy identifies Jesus with the family of Abraham; thus he starts with Abraham, the progenitor of the covenant nation, and then shows the descent through David, head of Judah’s royal line in which the covenant promise of the coming Messiah-King. Because Matthew is writing primarily to the Jews, he must show that Jesus truly was the Son of Abraham and Heir of David.

    In verse 17 Matthew writes:

     "So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the
     carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto
     Christ are fourteen generations." 
    

    There are fourteen from Abraham to David, and from David to Jehoiachin; but only thirteen in the last list. Verse 11 says: “And Josiah begat Jeconiah (Jehojachin). . about the time they were carried away into Babylon.” Now Josiah did not beget Jeconiah, but rather was his grandfather. Josiah beget Jehoiakim, and Jehoiakim beget Jeconiah (I Chronicles 3:15).Thus there is an omission of Jehojakim between Josiah and Jeconiah (Jehoiachin). Some few Greek manuscripts do insert Jehojakim which then make the third of the fourteens.

    B. Visit of Wise Men – Flight into Egypt – Return to Nazareth, chapter 2

    C. John the Baptist, fore runner of the King, announces the Kingdom and baptizes Jesus, chapter 3

    D. Temptation in the Wilderness, chapter 4:1-11

    II. JESUS’ DETOUR IN GALILEE (THE GALILEAN MINISTRY), Chapter 4:12 – Chapter 18

    The ministry in Galilee is divided according to three groupings.

        1.First, in chapters 5-7, there is a grouping of our Lord's teachings, in what is commonly known as the Sermon on the  Mount. 
        2.Next, in chapters 8-10, there is a grouping together of our Lord's miracles. 
        3.Next, in chapters 11-18, there is a grouping of the various reactions to our Lord and His ministry, accompanied by  His own counter-reactions or verdicts. 
    

    These three groupings seem to run in tens.

    1.The Sermon on the Mount consists of ten principal components.
    2.The next three chapters bring ten miracles.
    3.And the next chain of chapters register ten representative reactions. Design or undesigned, this repeated ten-fold feature is helpful to the memory.

    What Jesus Taught – the tenfold message, chapters 5-7

    1.The Beatitudes (5:3-16). Or the subjects of the kingdom. 
    2.Moral Standards (5:17-48). Or Christ versus 'It was said." 
    3.Religious Motives (6:1-18). Alms; prayer; fasting. 
    4.Mammon Worship (6:19-24). Or earthiness versus godliness. 
    5.Temporal Cares (6:25-34). Or Anxiety versus trust in God. 
    6.Social Discernment (7:1-6). Censuring; indiscretion. 
    7.Encouragements (7:7-11). Prayer makes it all practicable. 
    8.Summary in a sentence (7:12). Such LIFE FULFILS Scripture. 
    9.The Alternatives (7:13-14). Two ways: broad versus narrow. 
    

    10.Final Warnings (7:15-27). False prophets; false profession; false foundation.

    Notice, the first three concern virtues, morals, motives.
    The next three concern things material, temporal, social.
    The next three give encouragement, summary, exhortation.
    Then the discourse closes with three solemn warnings.
    What Jesus Wrought – the ten “mighty works”, chapters 8-10.

    1.The cleansing of the leper (8:1-4). 
    2.The Centurian S servant: palsy (8:5-13). 
    3.Peter's wife's mother: fever (8:14,15). 
    4.The stilling of the storm (8:23-27). 
    5.Gergesene demoniacs healed (8:28-34). 
    6.The man cured of the palsy (9:1-8). 
    7.The women with hemorrhage (9:18-22). 
    8.The ruler's daughter raised (9:23-26). 
    9.Two blind men given sight (9:27-31). 
    

    10.The dumb demoniac healed (9:32-4).

    Additionally, in these three chapters which group the miracles there are also two generalizing statements that Jesus healed “all” and “every” sickness; yet, it remains that only the above-noted ten are mentioned.
    Moreover, the third of these chapters, chapter 10, narrates the most comprehensive miracle of all, namely, the imparting of this miracle-working power to the twelve apostles – yet, no particular exercise of that imparted power is recorded. Our gaze is still kept focused on the ten miracles described.

    Is there, then, something specially significant about them? There is. There is a representativeness and completeness about them.
    The first three belong together; then there is a break in which our Lord answers certain would-be followers who had become enthused by His mighty works.
    The next three also run together; then there is another break in which our Lord answers the Pharisees and John’s disciples.
    The remaining four also belong together; after which there is the comment: “And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, healing every sickness and every disease among the people.”
    The first three heal physical diseases which affect the whole body. The next three show our Lord’s power in other spheres. The final four concern local ailments of the body and the crowning power-display of raising the dead.
    The effect produced by the first trio was an eager desire of some to follow “whithersoever Thou goest.” The response after the second trio was that the multitude “marveled and glorified God.” The result after the third group was that “the multitudes marveled, saying, It was never so seen in Israel.”

    C. What People thought – the ten reactions, chapters 9-18.

    By this time we are wanting to know more definitely what were the various reactions to the wonder working Preacher and His exposition of the kingdom of heaven. In this new grouping Matthew gives us ten reactions. Incidental episodes intermingle with these, giving color and sequence to the on-moving story, but the spot light is now on these responses which were provoked. Here are the ten and Jesus counter-response:

        1.John the Baptist - undecided (11:2-15) (3). Jesus' reaction to the undecided John is an eye-opening explanation of the forerunner's prophetic identity and positional significance (11:7-15). 
        2."This generation" - unresponsive (11:16-19) (17). Jesus' reaction to the unresponsiveness of "this generation" is  sad resignation with the comment, "But wisdom is justified of her children"; although there had not been a worthy response either to ascetic John or to His own social friendliness, the fault lay in the hearers not in the approach (11:19). 
        3.Galilean cities - unrepentant (11:20-30) (20). Jesus reaction to the impenitent cities was to predict judgment, and turn away from them with a new message for the individual: "Come unto Me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden..." (23-30). 
        4.The Pharisees - unreasonable (12: 2,10,14,24,38). Jesus' response to the unreasonable Pharisees is an awesome warning against perverting the truth too far and perpetrating unpardonable insult to the Holy Spirit. (25-37). 
        5.The multitudes - undiscerning (chapter 13) (13-15). It is quite clear that in the parables of chapter 13, our Lord was summing up the results of His preaching thus far. The first of the parables shows that only a small number among the multitudes were "good ground" hearers. All through, He has the multitudes in mind; and His verdict on them is seen in verses 13-15. Jesus reaction to the undiscerning multitudes is that henceforth His kingdom teaching will be mainly by parable (13:10,34). 
        6.The Nazarethites - unbelieving (13:53-58) (58). Jesus reaction to the unbelieving people of His home town was the suspension of His might works among them (verse 58). 
        7.Herod the king - unintelligent (14:1-13) (2). Jesus' reaction toward Herod is silence and avoidance. 
        8.Jerusalem scribes - unconcilliatory (15:1-20) (2,12). Jesus reaction to the Jerusalem scribes is to charge them with hypocritically nullifying the very Scriptures of which they were professedly the custodians. 
        9.Pharisees, Sadducees - unrelenting (16:1-12) (16:1). Jesus' reaction to the unrelenting Pharisees and Sadducees  is rebuke and refusal. 
       10.The twelve Apostles - UNANIMOUS glad recognition (16:13-20) (16). Jesus reaction to the Twelve, who recognize and confess Him, is, "Blessed!...flesh and blood hath not revealed it.. and upon this rock I will build My church." After  this, until His departure from Galilee, our Lord no more addresses the public, but devotes instruction to His disciples alone (chapters 17 -18). 
    

    This, then, is the sum of all these factors and features: there is widespread, enthusiastic interest in the miracles, the message, the Man; but those who respond with spiritual sincerity and intelligence are a very small minority, while the religious and political leaders are hostile. Already, as the Galilean detour nears its end, our Lord sees Israel’s rejection of the King and Kingdom, and announces the coming new dispensational turning-point: “I will build My CHURCH.”

    III. THE CLIMAX IN JUDEA – Chapters 19 – 28.

    Chapter 19 begins:

     "And it came to pass that when Jesus had finished these sayings, He departed from Galilee, and came
     into the coasts of Judea..." 
    
     Thereafter, Matthew's narrative quite naturally forms itself around the three successive developments: 
    
        1.The Presentation - Jesus offered as King, chapters 19 - 25.
          By the 'Presentation" we mean, of course, our Lord's public presentation of Himself at Jerusalem as Israel's  Messiah/King. This part of the narrative runs in a fourfold sequence: 
             1.First is the journey to the city (19-20) we are to see that our Lord foreknew the outcome of His timed  appearance at Jerusalem before he ever entered its gates. "And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples, apart in the way, and said to them: Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and the scribes, and they shall condemn Him to death, and shall deliver Him to the Gentiles, to mock and to scourge and to crucify Him; and the third day He shall rise again"(20:17-19)."Even as the Son of Man came not to be ministered unto but to minister, and to give His life a ransom for many" (20:28). 
             2.Second, is our Lord's triumphal entry (21:1-17), we are meant to see that He DID offer Himself as Israel's Messiah-King, and that the Jewish leaders so understood. Knowingly and most deliberately He fulfilled  Zech. 9:9.  "Rejoice greatly, 0 daughter of Zion; shout, 0 daughter of Jerusalem: behold, the King cometh unto thee: he is  just, and and salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass" (Zech. 9:9).
               "Tell ye the daughter of Zion: Behold thy King cometh unto thee, meek and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass" (Matthew 21:5).  Jesus not only accepted from the multitude their continuous "Hosanna to the Son of David!" but, rebuked the chief priests, who provoked by the children's hosannas, asked, "Hearest Thou what these say?"  Jesus replied,"Yea, have ye never read: Out of the mouths of babes and sucklings Thou hast perfected  praise?'   Without a doubt, these Jewish leaders knew and understood the significance of the entry of Jesus into  Jerusalem "riding upon and ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass." It was no accident that a little later there was a superscription over His Cross: "THIS IS JESUS, THE KING OF THE JEWS." 
             3.Third, in the collisions which now ensued inside the city between Jesus and the Jewish sects (21:18 - chapter 23), we are meant to see not only that they had set themselves implacably to reject Him; but that He also had now rejected them. The barren fig tree which He cursed was His symbol of them (21:18-27). From the moment of His entry, the Herodians, Sadducees and Pharisees close in upon Him (22). But all the way through Jesus has the upper hand. They are not only answered, but they are humiliatingly silenced (22:46). Moreover, Jesus exposes them in parable after parable (21:28 - 23:14), and finalises His utter aversion in that public and deadly denunciation punctuated eight times with, "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocites!" (23:13-36). So now, the broken hearted Redeemer withdrew with that sob which was the sudden outgushing of an infinite deep: "0 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how  often would I have gathered thy children together even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings; but  ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth till ye shall say, Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord." 
             4.Fourth, is the Olivet Discourse (24-25), we first notice that it was given outside the city, by Christ who had  now withdrawn. Second, the predicted happenings were because He and His kingdom were rejected. The chapter break should not be allowed to obscure the connection between the last words of chapter 23 and the opening of chapter 24: ".. .Ye shall not see Me henceforth.. And Jesus went out.. There shall not be left here one stone upon another... When shall these things be?.. And Jesus answered..." Jesus' answer is the Olivet  Discourse. 
    
        1.The Crucifixion - Jesus Slain as a Criminal, chapters 26-27.
          We now come to the two chapters on the crucifixion. Again there is a fourfold sequence. Four scenes succeeding  each other to dramatic culmination. Once again we would see that there are certain main significances in these  four moving scenes which Matthew would have us grasp. These four settings are: 
             1.In the first, where our Lord is withdrawn with the twelve (26:1-56) the emphasized feature is that He perfectly foresaw every detail of that which was to come. When Mary anoints Him with the precious ointment  He says, "She hath done it for my burial" (26:12). When the twelve sit at supper with Him He tells them that it  is actually one of themselves who is about to betray Him, and indicates Judas (26:25). When Peter boasts,"Though all men shall be offended because of Thee, yet will I never be offended, Jesus tells him,  "Before the cock crow thou shalt deny me thrice."
               We also notice how this foreknowledge expresses itself as to the Cross. He links it with the Jewish Passover in such a way as to say that He is to be the Passover sacrifice (26:2). He links it with Jeremiah 31:31, etc.,  and designates His blood as "the blood of the new covenant" (26.28). He links it with the old Testament  prophecies of Isaiah 53, for His bloodshedding is to be substitutionary ("shed for many'), and propitiatory  ("for the remission of sins").
               In the Gethsemane agony the Father's sovereignty is recognized in it all, and the incarnate Son bows in total  yieldedness to the will of the Father. 
             2.In scene two, where our Lord is before the Jewish Sanhedrin (26:57-75), the big fact is that Jesus was  condemned specifically for claiming that He was Israel's Messiah. His silence, eventually, provoked the high  priest to cry out: "I adjure Thee by the living God, that Thou tell us whether Thou be the Christ, the Son of  God." Jesus' answer was, "Thou has said; moreover I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of Man  sitting on the right had of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven." That was all the Sanhedrin wanted.  They at once charged Him with "blasphemy" and declared Him "guilty of death" (verses 65-68). Jesus was  crucified for that, and for nothing else. 
             3.In scene three, Jesus is before the Roman Governor (27:1-26). Here we are meant to note that the Jews   handed Him over for claiming to be their Christ, only they had now twisted the charge to make it seem that  Jesus had proclaimed Himself King of the Jews in opposition to the Cesar of Rome. 
             4.And now, that fourth scene, that awe-inspiring, soul-abasing spectacle, the Crucifixion (27:27-66). 
                 1.There are two things which Matthew would impress upon about the crucifixion. 
                       1.First, as he describes (more fully than Mark, Luke, or John) the accompanying abnormalities  surrounding the actual crucifixion the midday darkness, the earthquake, the cleaving of the rocks, the disturbed graves - he would have us exclaim with the Roman Centurian. "Truly this was the Son of God!!" (verse 54). 
                       2.Second, as he reports the simultaneous rending of the temple veil into the Holy of Holies, not by  a human hand from below, but by a Divine "from the top to the bottom," he would have us see
    

    the profound Godward significance of that Gross. That Sufferer is “the Son of God”; and that the Cross has affected something tremendous between earth and heaven.
    2.The after details ensure that physical life became extinct, and that the corpse was really entombed. There could be no bodily re-emergence except by a miraculous resurrection.

        1.The Resurrection - Jesus risen as Savior, chapter 28.
          Just one short chapter of twenty verses given to the super-climax - to that event which of all "Christian evidences is the most basic and vital. Matthew's concern is to proclaim the resurrection miracle and to make the tremendous  pronouncement which now comes from the lips of the risen Christ, "All power (authority, speaking of Jesus' now,  administrative authority) is given unto Me, in heaven and in earth; teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. And, lo, I AM with you alway, even unto the end of the world (age)." Jesus! Israel's  rejected Christ, the world's Savior is now lifted up "far above all principality and power and authority,  and every name that is named" (Eph. 1:21) and crowned the Administrator of the whole universe!
    

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  22. ac November 29, 2015 at 10:18 PM #

    The above excerpt paints even a more puzzling picture as the two woman either forgot or never knew that Jesus was to be resurrected
    And further in the story Jesus is talking with two of the apostles and they do not recognize him even after being told he was resurrected
    Which also bears the Question again why was his identity after three days so hard to recognize by his disciples

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  23. Georgie Porgie November 29, 2015 at 10:20 PM #

    THE GOSPEL OF JOHN

    A well established early tradition, including such widely know pupils of the Apostle John as Polycarp, Papias, and Ignatius, states that the fourth Gospel was the work of John. Likewise, Christian opinion over the centuries, uniformly, has ascribed the authorship to him.

    When we first meet John in the Gospels Matthew, Mark, and Luke, he was a businessman, one of five partners with his father in a fishing establishment, prosperous enough to employ “hired servants.” When we first meet John in the Gospel of John, however, he and Andrew are with John the Baptist, on the east side of the Jordan in the vicinity of Bethany where John the Baptist was baptizing. On that very day Jesus passed by, and John the Baptist recognizing Him as the Messiah, introduced Him to Andrew and John in this manner, “Behold, the Lamb of God!” immediately, John and Andrew followed after Him. It was about ten o’clock in the forenoon, and they spent the remainder of the day with Him, where He was staying.

    Later, after perhaps several weeks when they, John, Andrew, Peter, James and others, were themselves convinced that Jesus, truly was the Messiah, Jesus called them, at their place of work, and they left everything and followed Him.

    Mark says that Jesus gave John and his brother James a nickname in Greek, Bo-anerges, which means “sons of thunder,” because of their impulsive and violent temperaments. [For instance, on one occasion when their master was rejected in a Samaritian village, they were ready to call down fire from heaven on the inhabitants. But soon their tempest-like natures were refined, and they were equally ready to face death for Him.

    John referred to himself as “the disciple whom Jesus loved,” a remark which he repeats five times in his book. Jesus and John became the closet of personal and spiritual companions. If Jesus loved John more than He loved His other disciple, it must be because John was the one who knew and understood Jesus, and His message, better than any of the others. It is thought that they, Jesus and John, were rarely, if ever, separated from each other during their three wonderful years as Master and disciple.

     Jesus chose John to be with Him: 
    
          at the raising of Jairus' daughter, 
          at he Transfiguration, 
          at the scene of agony in Gethsemane. 
    
     At the Last Supper, John occupied the place of honor on the right hand of Jesus (13:23);  John alone gives a full-length account of Jesus' Farewell Message to His disciples (chapters 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17). 
    
     John followed Jesus from Gethsemane into the palace of the high priest, to Pilate's judgment hall, and to the place of  Crucifixion.  And on the cross, Jesus commended His mother Mary to John's loving care, and John accepted the trust and took her that day to his home in (19:27). 
     When the tomb of Jesus was reported to him empty, by Mary Magdalene, John ran with Peter to investigate, and saw that  the Christ had risen (20:1-10).  And like the other disciples, John went to Galilee, as Jesus had directed them, and again saw the Lord (21:1-7). 
    

    After the Ascension, John was with the other Apostles in the Upper Room in Jerusalem (Acts 1:13). And after Pentecost, John became Peter’s colleague in active missionary work, in and out of Jerusalem during the persecutions that threatened to undermine the infant Church. Peter and John were still in Jerusalem when the Apostle Paul returned from his First Missionary Journey, about 50 A.D., the occasion being the Conference at Jerusalem to determine whether circumcision should be required of Gentile Christians and converts of Paul and Barnabas, and other Gentile evangelists (Acts 15:6).

    According to tradition, John made Jerusalem his home for many years after the Conference at Jerusalem, and continued to care for Mary the mother of Jesus until her death. John left Jerusalem about 70 A.D. or earlier moving to Ephesus from which he ministered throughout the whole Roman province of Asia Minor.
    John lived and labored here under the extreme persecution of the Roman government, and the confusion produced by the Gnostics and other false teachers, as well as the treachery and double-dealing of the unbelieving Jews, who fought the spread of Christianity among the Gentiles every step of the way.

    The Apostle became the head of the Church and overseer of the “Seven Churches of Asia,” and all the province, for the next quarter of a century. Some time in the latter part of the reign of the Roman Emperor Domitian (81-96 A.D.), about 95 A.D., John was exiled to the Isle of Patmos, in the Mediterranean, some sixty miles southeast of Ephesus. He was banished for preaching the Word of God, and for testifying concerning Jesus (Revelation 1:9).

    Domitian’s successor, Nerva, is said to have freed the Apostle and permitted his return to Ephesus, about 96 AD., where he composed the book of Revelation, according to the vision he had on Patmos. Bishop Irenaeus of the second century states that the Apostle John continued to reside at Ephesus until his death, in the reign of Trajan (98-117 A.D.) Assuming the accuracy of this statement, the Apostle John at the time of his death would have been in excess of one hundred years of age.

    During his later years, and presumably at Ephesus, John wrote the five important works which bear his name: The Gospel of John; I, II and III John; and the book of Revelation.

    JOHN’S GOSPEL – A COMPLETIVE NECESSITY

    Here we want to consider the relationship of the Gospel of John to the synoptic Gospels. The similarity of the synoptic Gospels, Matthew, Mark, and Luke, accentuates the dissimilarity of this fourth Gospel.

    This fourth Gospel completes the picture of Jesus which we have viewed in the other three Gospels. Thus it is a completive necessity. In the other three we have accompanied Jesus, learning what He said, what He did, what He felt. We have noted those seven peak-events: his supernatural birth, His baptism, temptation, transfiguration, crucifixion, resurrection, and His ascension.
    We have heard Peter’s announcement, avowal: “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Thus we have learned what He was rather than who He is.

     First of all, The Gospel of John, is a completive necessity in that it completes the others. 
          The earlier three are a presentation of Jesus; this fourth is an interpretation. 
          The other three show us Jesus outwardly; this fourth interprets Him inwardly 
          The other three emphasize the human aspects; this fourth unveils the Divine. 
          The other three correspond respectively with the lion and the ox and the man in Ezekiel's vision; this fourth parallels with the eagle. 
          The other three concern themselves mainly with our Lord's public discourses; this fourth gives larger place to His  private conversations, His verbal conflicts with the Jews, and His closer teachings in seclusion to His inner disciples. 
          The other three are mainly occupied with His Galilean ministry; this fourth is almost wholly devoted to His Judean  ministry. 
          The other three are purely factual; John is also doctrinal. 
          The other three begin with a human genealogy and a fulfillment of Jewish prophecy; John begins with a direct Divine  revelation of that which was altogether pre-mundane (earthly) and eternal. 
          All these features accord with John's interpretative purpose, which purpose is found in John 20:31. "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his  name." 
    
     Secondly, The Gospel of John, is a completive necessity in that it sheds light on areas in the other three that may be the source of questioning and confusion. Thus John throws a flood light on the other three. 
          For instance, when the synoptics tell of our Lord's "Follow Me" to Peter and Andrew, James and John, it would almost seem as though He had not met them before, which makes their immediate abandonment of all else to follow  Him so surprising as to seem almost artificial; BUT in this fourth Gospel we find that they had not only met Jesus earlier, at John the Baptist's gatherings along the Jordan, but had companied with Him both in Judea and in Gallilee  (1:40, 42, 43, 47). Before He ever started His preaching itineraries in Galilee there was a group called "His  disciples" (2:2,11), which certainly included Andrew, Peter, James and John and others who later would become  Apostles of the Lamb. Jesus' seashore "Follow Me," recorded by the other three, came later, and was a call to  full-time service with Him. 
          Again in the other three Gospels you could get the impression that from the minute Jesus began His public ministry,  "began to preach" (Matthew 4:17) He had vast crowds and wide spread fame and then wonder how could this be? But, here in John, we find that before He ever started His ministry in Galilee [which is the starting place of the other  three Gospels] , that He had worked miracles in Jerusalem (2:23), which had become big news in Galilee. 
    
          "Then when he was come into Galilee, the Galileans received him,having seen all the things  that he did at Jerusalem at the feast: for they also went unto the feast" (John 4:45).  There had also been the turning of the water into wine at Cana in Galilee, where He thus manifested forth His  glory, and the disciples believed on Him" (2:11). We know for a certainty that. all these things happened  before our Lord commenced His preaching circuit of Galilee, because "John (the Baptist) was not yet cast  into prison" (3:24) - and it was not until after John was imprisoned that Jesus began in Galilee (Matthew  4:12).          Furthermore, a noting of John's dates and places corrects certain misimpressions as to our Lord's  movements. Not only do we learn that after His Baptism our Lord was five or six months in Jerusalem and Judea, with goings to and fro between there and Galilee, before His main Galilean ministry began, But we find that there was also another time break between the end of His Galilean ministry, and His triumphal entry into Jerusalem. Were we to go only by the  synoptics we might assume that Jesus went from Galilee to His triumphal entry into Jerusalem without any  interruption of His Galilean ministry. 
    

    Perhaps, this is the point for a bit of Bible marking. Turning to Matthew 4:11,12, it might be useful to insert between verses 11and 12 : THE FIRST FIVE CHAPTERS OF JOHN ALL FIT IN HERE. (The same between Mark 1:13 and 14 also, between Luke 4:13 and 14.) Similarly, in John, it might be well to write between chapters 5 and 6: MOST OF GALILEE MINISTRY FITS FROM HERE UP TO 7:1. Next, in John 10, between verses 21 and 22, write; THREE MONTHS BREAK HERE JESUS BACK TO GALILEE, WHICH HE NOW FINALLY LEAVES AS PER MATTHEW 19:1 AND MARK 10:1. Also,
    you may note between Matthew 26:20 and 21: JOHN 13:2-30 FIT HERE; and between Matthew 26:30 and 31 that: JOHN 15,16,17 GO HERE.

             ORDER AND LENGTH OF OUR LORD'S MINISTRY
    
                  A. CONTACTS IN JUDEA - FOUR TO FIVE MONTHS IN DURATION 
    

    Jordan baptism and temptation in wilderness

    At Jordan again; meets Andrew and Peter

    Return to Galilee: Cana and first miracle

    At Jerusalem for the Passover; Nicodemus interview

    Interval of teaching, baptizing in Judea, near Jordan

    Galilee again: Sychar women;second Cana miracle

    At Jerusalern feast: Bethesda healing; Jews oppose
    Matthew 3:1-4:11; Mark 1:4-13; Luke 3:1-4:13

                                                             John 1:19-42 
    
                                                             John 1:43 - 2:12. 
    
                                                             John 2:13 - 3:21 
    
                                                             John 3:22-36 
    
                                                             John 4:1-54 
    
                                                             John 5:1-47
    
    
           B. CIRCUIT OF GALILEE - ABOUT ONE YEAR AND TENS MONTHS IN DURATION 
    

    The three synoptic accounts of the Galilean ministry

    Short break – to Jerusalem for feast of Tabernacles

    Slow, final exit-journey from Galilee

    Halt in Perea; visit to Jerusalem; feast of Dedication

    Perea again; then up to Bethany to raise Lazarus

    From “city called Ephraim” up to triumphal entry
    Matthew 4:12-18:35; Mark 1:14-9:38; Luke
    4:14-9:50.

                                                             John 7:2-10:21. 
    
                                                             Luke 9:51-18:14. 
    
                                                             John 10:22-39. 
    
                                                             John 10:40-11:54 
    
                                                             Matthew 19:1-23:39; Mark 10:111:11; Luke
                                                             18:15-19:44; John 11:54-12:19.
    
    
    
                   C. CLIMAX AT JERUSALEM - ABOUT ONE WEEK IN DURATION 
    

    Clashes with Jewish leaders in Jerusalem Matthew 21:12-23:46; Mark 11:33-12:44;
    Luke 19:45-21:4.

    Prophetic discourse on the Mount of Olives

    At Bethany: the anointing by Mary

    Last Supper:
    Discourse to apostles

    Gethsemane; the arrest; Peter’s denial

    Arraignment, crucifixion, and burial
    Matthew 24:51-25:46; Mark 13:1-37; Luke
    21:5-38.

                                                             Matthew 26; Mark 14; John 12. 
    
                                                             Matthew 26; Mark 14; Luke 22; 
                                                             John 13 - 17. 
    
                                                             Matt 26; Mark 14; Luke 22; John 18 
    
                                                             Matthew 27; Mark 15; Luke 23; 
                                                             John 18:28-19:42.
    

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    CONTENT OF THE GOSPEL OF JOHN

    Let us now examine the contents of John’s Gospel! and learn its main Message. At once we are struck by the different way of saying and seeing things from that of Matthew, Mark, or Luke. In Matthew we have impressionistic groupings; in Mark a rapid succession of camera-shots; in Luke a beautifully unfolding story. In John, everything subserves the developing of certain RECURRENT IDEAS. These recurrent ideas are assembled in the prologue, and then developed right through to the end. Not that these ideas are mere abstractions of John’s own producing; they are spiritual truths outgrowing from fertile facts. From a large
    store of available data John selects just those which demonstrate and develop these central truths of his treatise. Of which the central one is, ETERNAL LIFE BY BELIEVING ON JESUS AS SON OF GOD AND SAVIOR OF MEN, (John 20:30-31).

    However, before we consider these progressive themes in this forth Gospel we ought to glance at John’s own basic arrangement of his material as it really is:

     There is a prologue (1:1-18) 
     and an epilogue (chapter 21). 
    

    The intervening body of chapters fall as follows:

    1.The public ministry of Jesus to the Jews (1:19-chapter 12).
    2.The private ministry of Jesus to “His own” (chapters 13 – 17).
    3.The paschal climax of tragedy and triumph (chapters 18 – 20).

    The first of these chapter-groups is occupied with the miraculous “signs” which our Lord gave, of which John here records seven, culminating with the raising of Lazarus from death. Note how the early contacts quickly develop into later conflicts, and then issue in utter cleavage.

    The second group mainly concerns our Lord’s wonderful new disclosures about the coming Paraclete.

    The final chapters are the awful yet glorious outcome of the whole.

    A more detailed analysis of the arrangement of John’s material is not necessary for our present purpose. You would do well to fix in your mind the three main divisions and then continue with the content.

    As we stated the structural characteristic of this fourth Gospel is that of recurrent ideas, which are assembled in the prologue, and developed right through to the end.

    In the prologue there are four designations of our Lord

          the WORD, 
          the LIFE, 
          the LIGHT, 
          the SON. 
    

    Two of these declare His relationship to God the Father. The other two indicate function towards us human creatures.

     In relation to God, even the Father, He is the WORD and the SON. These terms are so vastly meaningful that human  thought cannot sound their depths. Yet they are illuminatingly significant as well as impenetrably mysterious. They are meant  to tell us something - and they do. 
    
          Our Lord is the WORD, i.e. the expression of God, not only towards man, not only from pre-earthly (mundane)  antiquity, but before all the creation (1:2, 3), fundamentally, eternally, indivisibly. He was not merely from the beginning; He already was,"in the beginning"(verse 1). He was not only "with God"; He "was God" (verse 1). No exegetical juggling can really hide the force of the Greek here, especially when it is read honestly with its context.
          The Greek word Logos, here translated as "Word," is fuller than our English representative, yet even our noun "Word" is richly useful here. As a word may be distinguished from the thought which it expresses (for the two are not identical), so can the Second Person of the Godhead be distinguished from the First. Yet as there simply cannot  be a word apart from the thought behind it, so also "God" and the "Word" cannot be conceived of as ever having  existed without each other. They are distinguishable but inseparable. 
    
          Our Lord is also the SON. The concept of Logos in relation to Theos is warmed (made more personal) into that of  the Son in relation to the Father. At best human comparisons must fall short of the realities they seek to make humanly intelligible; yet even so, they are revealing. The Logos is simply "with" the God (verse 1), but the Son is "in  the bosom" of the Father (verse 18). There is a reciprocal fellowship of love inherent in the Deity; and it is one of the  ultimates, eternal as God, for there cannot be eternal fatherhood without eternal sonship. 
     Thus these two metaphors, the "Word" and the "Son," supplement and protect each other. Taken separately they might lead divergent thinkers to widely different and equally erroneous conceptions of our Lord; but when taken together, each  corrects the possible misuse of the other. 
    
     To think of our Lord only as the eternal "Word" might suggest merely an impersonal quality or faculty in God. To think of  Him only as the "Son" might falsely limit us to the concept of a personal yet created being. But the two terms combined  ensure both aspects of the truth to us, and at the same time guard us from error. Our Lord and Savior, the second Member  of the Trinity, is both eternal and personal. 
          Next, in relation to us human beings, He is the LIFE and the LIGHT. From Him all created beings derive life, physical and psychic (immaterial! moral, or spiritual). From Him comes all true illumination, both spiritual and intellectual (verses 4,9).The two terms are as equally suggestive of our Lord's deity as are the figures "Word" and  "Son."  Indeed, these two designations the "Life" and the "Light" correspond with the "Word" and the "Son." 
                    As the Word He is the expresser, the revealer, the illuminator, the Light. 
                    As the Son He is the personal executive, quickener, imparter, the Life. 
    

    And again, paralleling with these, there are the two words, “grace” and “truth,” – full of “grace” to redeem
    man, and full of “truth” to reveal God. He is the God-Man Revealer-Redeemer.

     Oh, this all-transcendent Savior of ours! "His name shall be called WONDERFUL!" In this first chapter alone there are no less than eight titles given Him. Eight titles which belong absolutely and exclusively to Him: 
          the WORD (verse 1), 
          the LIFE (verse 4), 
          the LIGHT (verse 7), 
          the SON (verse 18), 
          the LAMB (verse 29), 
          the MESSIAH (verse 41), 
          the KING (verse 49), 
          and the SON OF MAN (verse 51). 
    
     In addition to the four designations of our Lord in the prologue, The WORD, the LIFE, the LIGHT, and the SON, we  find, in the prologue, six additional emphases which are to be developed in the chapters to follow. These six additional  aspects, emphases are: 
          "darkness" (verse 5), 
          "witness" (verses 7,8, 15), 
          "believe" verse 7, 
          "power to become" (verse 12), 
          "born of God" (verse 13), 
          "fulness" (verse 14,16). 
    
     These ten emphases go right through the book, in five associated pairs and then give us the recurrent ideas around which the Gospel According To John is structured. They are: 
    
             1.The Word - becoming flesh as the incarnate truth (1:1, 14, 17, 8:40, 14:6, Verily, Verily," etc.). 
             2.The Light - shining in the darkness; "the darkness comprehended it not"; "His own received Him not" (3:19,12:46, etc). 
             3.The Life - imparting new birth and "power to become" (1:12, 13, 3:8, 15, 10:10, etc.). 
             4.The Son - coming forth "full of grace" and sharing His "fulness" (1:14, 16, 33, 4:10, 14:27, 15:11, etc.). 
             5.Witness - that all "might believe" (1:7, with frequent recurrence) and "have life." 
    
     To accomplish our purposes we are going to trace out number five of these recurrent ideas - the idea of life by  believing, because among these ideas which run through the book of John, this one carries John's main purpose  (20:31). 
    
     ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH BELIEVING
    
     John gives his practical purpose as "That ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that  believing ye might have life" (20:31). That word "believe" occurs in its several forms ninety-eight times; the words "life"  (zoe) and "live (zao) fifty-five times. When we pick out the principal references to eternal life (1:4, 3:14-16, 3:36, 4:10-14,  5:24-29, 6:35-55, 8:12, 10:28,29, 11:25,26, 17:3, etc.), we discover an unmistakable progress of doctrine. Each new reference reveals a further truth in such wise that to transpose any would spoil the order. Here we see the guidance of  the Holy Spirit upon the Apostle John in the writing of this Gospel. 
    
          We start with chapter 1:4 - So the first thing is that this life is in the Son and that its first action upon the soul is to  give light, the light which reveals spiritual realities, which "shineth in the darkness," revealing human sin and Divine  truth. 
          Second, in chapter 3:14-16 - Here we learn that the life is imparted to us through faith in the Calvary work of the  Savior-Son, and that it is eternal. 
          Next, in chapter 3:36 - It is that word "hath" which leaps to the eye here, telling us that this eternal life is the  present possession of the believer. There is nothing doubtful; it does not say "may have." Nor is it only future; for the word is "hath," meaning here and now. 
          Again, in chapter 4:14 - Here the life is not only a present possession but an inward satisfaction. We drink, and  the life-giving drought becomes a very fountain within the soul, ever springing, ever satisfying. 
          And now comes chapter 5:24 - The word "condemnation" here is krisis (judgment) and refers to the final judgment of Mankind, as shown in verse 29. The possession of eternal life through faith in the Savior gives exemption from  judgment. There has been a pass-over from "death" in sin to "life" in Christ. Once for all, Jesus bore the penalty due  to the believer's sin; and once for all, therefore, eternal life in Him delivers from penal judgment.  This brings us to chapter 6:35-55(40) - In His great discourse here our Lord is the Bread of Life. He becomes so  by giving His flesh and blood (verses 51,53).He also indicates that feeding upon Him is believing, and that the  sustenance is spiritual (verses 35,56,63). But the remarkable addition, which occurs like a refrain, is: "And I will raise him up at the last day" (verses 39,40,44,54). 
          Next, in chapter 8:12 - That the Christian walk is to be a walk of confident assurance, because he has the "light of  life." 
          Our next reference is chapter 10:27-29 - This picture of our Lord's saved ones being held secure in the  interlocked grasp of both the Son and the Father is the strongest possible assurance that eternal life means eternal preservation. 
          Now we encounter chapter 11:25,26 - Let us first see what Jesus is saying here. Martha has just said: "I know that he [Lazarus] shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day." Our Lord uses an aorist subjunctive in reply: "He  that believeth in Me, though he may have died [i.e. at "the last day"], yet shall he live [for I am the resurrection]; and whosoever is [then] living and believing in Me shall never die [for I am the life]." So all the possessors of eternal life  in Christ are to share in this promised age-end transfiguration. 
          Finally, in chapter 17:3 - To possess Jesus Christ and be possessed li Him is to find GOD - and the true life. All who accept Christ are drawn to Him by the Father. Those who through faith responding is the Father's gift to the  Son (seven times Jesus says so in this chapter). Verse 2 says that the Son imparts eternal life to "as many as" the Father has "given Him"; and this is crowned by verse 24. So the eternal life which believers posses through the  Savior is to be consummated in a heavenly glorification. 
    
     Thus we see a progression of disclosure: 
    
          First we see that this life is in the Son, and is an exposure-light on sin and darkness. 
          Next we see that the life is received by faith on the Calvary Sin-bearer. 
          Then, successively, it is a present possession, an inward satisfaction,  an exemption from judgment, 
          an assurance and preservation , it awaits age-end transfiguration, and is to be consummated in heavenly glorification. 
    
     John has all this in mind when he writes at the end of his Gospel: 
    
          "These are written that ye night believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing
          ye might have life through His Name." 
    
     Oh, how simple is the way into eternal life -"BELIEVE." 
    
     INCARNATE WORD, ONLY-BEGOTTEN SON
    
     Running right through from the prologue to epilogue is the developing presentation of Jesus as the incarnate Word and only-begotten Son. This is the center-glory of John's Gospel. Although we merely fringe the subject here, we can at least indicate features which invite further inquiry. 
    
     Twenty-three times we find our Lord's meaningful "I am" (4:26, 6:20, 35, 41, 48, 51, 8:12, 18, 24,28, 58, 10:7, 9, 11, 14, 11:25, 13:19, 14:6, 15:1,5, 18:5, 6, 8). 
    
     From these we pick out those in which He successively couples His "I am" with seven tremendous metaphors expressive of  His saving relationship toward mankind: 
    
               "I AM the Bread of life" (6:35,41,48,51). 
               "I AM the light of the world" (8:12). 
               "I AM the door of the sheep" (10:7,9). 
               "I AM the Good Shepherd" (10:11,14). 
               "I AM the Resurrection and the Life" (11:25). 
               "I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Life" (14:6). 
               "I AM the true vine" (15:1,5). 
    
     Fundamentally, the message Jesus brought, was Himself. 
    

    He did not come merely to preach a Gospel; He Himself is the Gospel.
    He did not come merely to give bread; He said: “I am the bread.”
    He did not come merely to shed light; He said: “I am the light.”
    He did not come merely to show the door; He said: “I am the door.”
    He did not come merely to name a shepherd; He said: “I am the shepherd.”
    He did not come merely to point the way; He said: “I am the way, the truth, the life.”
    He did not come merely to plant a vine; He said: “I am the vine.”

    Our Lord’s other utterances of “I am,” also, seem to carry a profound implication, though latently rather than apparently. In the Greek “I am” is ego eimi. Both ego and eimi mean “I am”; but the former emphasizes “I,” and the latter “am.” Thus, ego elmi expresses personal being in the strongest possible way. It is the Greek expression for the Divine name “I AM.”
    Here are the references again: 4:26, 6:20, 8:18,24,28,58, 13,19, 18:5,6,8.

     Lets take the first of them (4:26). Literally, what our Lord says to the Sychar women is not "I that speak to thee am He" (i.e. the Messiah) as translated in both Authorised and Revised Versions; but "I AM who am speaking to thee." In  some of these verses our translators have apparently felt difficulty in knowing whether to insert the "He" or not, so they give  it in italics only. We would not unduly press, yet it certainly does seem as though in some of these utterances our Lord uses  that EGO EIMI with maximum implication. 
    
     All this, of course, is given support by our Lord's claims and assumptions which find expression right through this Gospel. Take, for instance, the passage beginning at chapter 5:19. This public reply to the Jewish leaders is prefaced by the explanation: "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill Him, because He . . . said also that God was His Father, making  Himself equal with God" (verse 18). The question is at once provoked: Did Jesus really make Himself equal with God"?
     Yes, and following we see seven particular areas in which Jesus claims equality with God. 
        1.Equal in working (verse 19). 
        2.Equal in knowing (verse 20). 
        3.Equal in resurrecting (Verse 21 with 28,29). 
        4.Equal in judging (verse 22 with 27). 
        5.Equal in honor (verse 23). 
        6.Equal in regenerating (verses 24,25) 
        7.Equal in self-existence (verse 26). 
    
     Who can read claims like these without seeing in them the assumption of such oneness with the eternal Father as betokens  essential equality? The Jewish leaders rightly enough understood His claims, and John would have us clearly understand  them, too. (John 20:31) 
    
     Look, once, again at John 1:18. The Greek verb-form here translated as "declared" is exegesato, from which comes our  English word exegesis. It means that in the visible Jesus the invisible God is brought forth to view. The incomprehensible  concept, "God" is objectively illuminated before us. The very heart of the Eternal is livingly "exegeted," for the only begotten  Son comes even from "the bosom of the Father." 
    
     IN RETROSPECT
    
     So, now that we have picked our way through all four Gospels, let us glance back retrospectively and get the fourfold  focus in our hearts: 
    
      Matthew   The promised One is here;   SEE HIS CREDENTIALS
      Mark         This is how He worked;       SEE HIS POWER
      Luke         This is what He was like;     SEE HIS NATURE
      John         This is who He really was;    SEE HIS GODHEAD
    

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  24. Georgie Porgie November 29, 2015 at 10:21 PM #

    THE GOSPEL OF MARK

    There is no doubt about the authorship of this second Gospel. Right from sub-Apostolic days tradition firmly testifies three facts:

     that a record of our Lord's words and works was written by one called Mark; 
     that this record was what we now know as the Gospel according to Mark; 
     that this Mark is the John Mark who figures in the Acts and the epistles of the New Testament. Such has been the view  uniformly held. It is also the renewed verdict of present day scholarship. 
    

    We first come across Mark in Acts 12:12. His mother’s name, “Mary,” indicates that she was Jewish. Mark himself had a Jewish forename and a Roman surname, John” and “Mark”; indicating that his father was most likely a Roman. Their home was evidently large and used as a meeting place for the early Christians. They were presumably well-to-do, as also Marks’ uncle Barnabas seems to have been (Acts 4:37).

    In Acts 12:25 Barnabas and Paul take Mark with them to Antioch, and later take him on their first missionary journey (Acts 13:5). However, when they reach Perga, on the frontiers of the great heathen world, he decides to return home (Acts 13:13). When Barnabas would take Mark again at a later date, Paul and he so disagree that they separate; and Barnabas goes off with Mark to Cyprus (Acts 15:36-41).

    From that point we hear no more of Barnabas; but Mark reappears in the epistles, and most commendably so. Almost twenty years have past. Paul, now a battle-scarred veteran in the Lord’s army, is in prison at Rome. He sends a letter to some Christians believers in a faraway little Phryian town – the “Epistle to the Colossians.” In chapter 4:10 he says: “Aristarchus, my-fellow prisoner, saluteth you, and Marcus, sister’s son to Barnabas (touching whoa ye received commandments: if he come unto you receive him).) Thus we see that Mark is still alive, still active for Christ, and with Paul again and that he is purposing a missionary journey to Asia Minor, the very place from which he had once turned back. That seemingly, is why Paul tells the Colossians, whose town lay in Mark’s possible line of travel: “If he should call on you, receive him.” But even more interesting is what Paul adds to this, in verse 11: “These only are my fellow-workers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.” Only three Christians in Rome have remained actively loyal to Paul, and one of those three is Mark. Paul now speaks of Mark as a “fellow-worker” and “a comfort”. (See also Philemon 24.) So there is complete restoration between Paul and Mark.

    Again in his second letter to Timothy Paul writes: “Do thy diligence to come shortly unto me.. Only Luke is with me. take Mark,and bring him with thee, for he is profitable to me for the ministry.” Paul, still or once again in prison, was longing to have Mark by him again. Mark had now so proved his courageous devotion to Christ through the years that his early default at Perga was utterly erased.

    Once again we find mention of mark, this time by Peter (I Peter 5:13). “She that is elected with you at Babylon saluteth you, and so doth Marcus, my son.” This affectionate designation indicates that it was Peter who had begotten Mark as a convert to Christ: but it also shows that through all the years Mark had proved himself truly a “son” in the faith to Peter. There are clear evidences that there was a special bond between them, as we shall mention later.

    But what had Mark been doing all those years between that day at Perga and his reappearance in Paul’s later epistles? Tradition which there is no reason to distrust tells of his remarkable ministry in Egypt, his winning many converts, and his founding the first Christian church at Alexandria.

    Thus not only was Mark gratefully reinstated by the Apostles Paul and Peter, but the Holy Spirit came specially upon this man, and by supernatural inspiration used him as one of the four Gospel writers to whom we owe the priceless records of our Savior’s life on earth.

    Moreover, this young man, in deathless devotion to the dearest of all masters, gave himself to be dragged through the streets by exasperated Egyptians, flung bruised and bleeding into a dungeon, then burned to death.

    PETER’S INFLUENCE ON THE GOSPEL OF MARK

    As you read Mark’s Gospel one of the striking features that comes to your attention is the first hand familiarity with detail. Such familiarity presupposes them to have been related by one of the apostles or by someone directly transcribing for an apostle. Who but a personal observer, an apostle, could have given us this?

     "And the same day, when even was come, He saith unto them: Let us pass over unto the other side. And
     when they had sent away the multitude, they took Him even as He was in the ship; and there were also
     with Him other little ships. and there arose a great storm of wind, and the waves beat into the ship so that   it was now being filled. And He was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow..." (Mark 4:35-38). 
    

    In place after place, comparison of Mark with Matthew or Luke indicates the same first-handed familiarity with detail. Indeed, Mark’s first-hand familiarity does come from an apostle. There is a tradition, going back to sub-Apostolic days, that this second Gospel, although attributed to Mark, was, in reality, written by him as the scribe of Peter, or else as the translator and continuator of an original by Peter in Aramaic.

    The most important evidence for this is that of Papias, bishop of Hierapolis in Phrygia, a disciple and pupil of the Apostle John,writing about 130 A.D. Papias wrote a book in five volumes, long since lost, An Exposition of Oracles of the Lord. But Eusebius, at the end of the third century, quotes three excerpts from it in his Ecclesiastical History. Here are the first two:

     "Whatsoever I have at any time accurately ascertained and treasured up in my memory, I have received it from the  Elders, and have recorded it in order to give additional confirmation to the truth by my testimony... If I met with anyone who had been a follower of the Elders anywhere, I made it a point to enquire what were the declarations of  the Elders; what had been said by Andrew, Peter, or Philip; what by Thomas, James, John, Matthew, or any of the disciples of our Lord; what was said by Aristion and the presbyter John, disciples of the Lord; for I do not think that  I derived so much benefit from books as by the living voice of those that were still surviving. 
    

    Notice how close this excerpt from Papias comes to the days of the apostles. In the second excerpt, Papias is quoting and earlier “apostolic Presbyter”.

     "And John the presbyter also said this: MARK, being the interpreter of Peter, whatsoever he recorded he wrote  with great accuracy, but not however in the order in which it was spoken or done by our Lord; for he neither heard  nor followed our Lord, but as before said, he was in company with Peter, who gave him instruction as was  necessary, but not to give a history of our Lord's discourses. Wherefore Mark has not erred in anything, by writing  some things as he has recorded them; for he was carefully attentive to one thing: not to pass by anything that he  heard, or to state anything falsely in these accounts." 
    

    Ppias leaves no doubt as to the special influence of Peter on this “Gospel according to Mark”.

    As this truth soaks in and is appreciated, Mark’s Gospel comes alive with new interests. IT IS PETER’S STORY. Peter is everywhere in it. The narrative throbs with his energetic spirit. We can see why this second Gospel could be accurately concentrated into one sentence of Peter, as spoken to the household of Cornelius, in Acts 10:37,38.

     "That word . . . which was published throughout all Judea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism
     which John preached; how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who
     went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with Him." 
    

    We, also, can see why some things are included and other things excluded about Peter himself. It is noticeable how certain incidents which reflect honor on Peter are omitted from this Gospel, from a motive which we can admire, knowing that this Gospel is Peter’s account of things.

    There is no mention of his walking on the water; no mention of the grateful benediction pronounced upon him when he avowed on behalf of the twelve: “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.” (Compare Mark 8:29 with Matthew 16:16-19.) In the resurrection account we do not find here, as in Luke 24:34, “The Lord is risen indeed! and hath appeared to Simon!” No, the honorable distinction is given to Mary Magdalene (Mark 16:9).

    On the other hand, Peter’s denial of his Lord is told most fully in Mark, with the added circumstance that it was not until “the second time the cock crew” that Peter suddenly “called to mind” the sad prediction of Jesus. Both Matthew and Luke say that Peter “went out and wept bitterly.” In Mark it is only “And when He thought thereon he wept’, lest reference to the bitterness of his tears should seem to give the appearance of artificial humility.

    And, of course, there is that final touch which is found only in Mark, and which the once fallen but restored Simon must have thrilled to record and speak of, namely, the first message sent from the empty sepulchre on the resurrection morning,: “Go your way: tell His disciples, AND PETER, that He goeth before you into Galilee” (Mark 16:7). What those two little words “and Peter” must have meant to the brokenhearted Simon. With fond gratitude Peter makes sure those words are restored. These touches are like Peter’s initials to the narrative, showing us that this second Gospel is really “the Gospel according to Mark – and Peter”.

    MARK’S FIRST-INTENDED READERS

    Of equal interest is the question as to who were the first-intended readers of this second Gospel. It soon becomes plain that the writer has Gentiles in mind. If he had been writing to the Jews he would not have explained Jewish customs. For example:

     "For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of
     the elders" (7:3). 
    
     "And now when evening was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath . .
     ."(15:42). 
    

    Nor would he have explained that the Mount of Olives was “over against the Temple” (13:3), – or that the disciples of John and of the Pharisees “used to fast” (2:18). Other examples: he explains how John the Baptist was dressed (1:6); the meaning of the word Bo-anerges which Jesus used to describe the brothers James and John (3:17); and the Aramaic words Talitha cumi, used by Jesus (5:41). Other explanations of Palestinian places and Jewish customs and terms in such passages as Mark 7:4,11,34; 12:42;15:22.

    It has been long held that Mark wrote his Gospel in Greek, at Rome, for Gentile Christians there. This may well have been so, though my on view is somewhat otherwise. No doubt Mark wrote his Gospel in Greek, but I am inclined to think that the place of writing was Palestine rather than Rome.29.For one thing, the narrative seems to assume throughout that the readers are familiar with the localities of Palestine. There are no topographical explanations such as you find in Luke (Luke l:39, 65; 2:4 etc.) and would expect in Mark if written for readers in Rome. Again, although the explanatory comments on Jewish practices indicate that the intended readers were not Jews, they seem equally to presuppose a degree of knowledge and experience with, especially the Jewish festivals and the Sabbath. For instance,the difference between the two closely connected feasts of Passover and Unleavened Bread is assumed known (14:1).References here and there to other Jewish festivals and the Sabbath are made without any such comment as might have been expected for readers entirely strange to Jewery.

    We might, also, note that there were many gentiles, Romans in Palestine. Many who no doubt, like “a certain man in Cesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band, a devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave alms to the people, and prayed to God alway” (Acts 10:1,2), and then also like, Cornelius, and his household, had gone the further step of becoming Christians, who had need to have in writing in their native tongue the gospel story and message which the Apostle Peter and the other apostles preached.

    Thus the Gospel according to Mark was a record for those persons, just as much as Matthew’s for the Jews, and Luke’s for the Gentiles. Somehow, those Palestine non-Jewish proselytes to Judaism and converts to Christianity seem to belong between out-right Jews and out-right Gentiles; and that is where John Mark seems to fit, too, if as seems likely he was both of Jewish and Roman parenthood. John Mark would have a dominant interest in those Palestine Gentiles, Romans, proselytes, Christians; and an aptitude to write the kind of record best adapted to them. If this is the case, that Mark wrote from Palestine and that his first intended readers were these Palestine Gentiles, Romans, proselytes, Christians; then how appropriate that Mark’s is the second Gospel. There are some who seem to think it a sign of scholarship to put Mark first and Matthew after it. No, Matthew must come first – “to the Jew first” – being the obvious first link-up of the New Testament with the Old. And Luke must come third – “also to the Gentile” – because Mark is the
    between Gospel for Gentile-Jews. Those who were Gentiles by birth and Jews by faith; and because it was moving out from Jewish exclusiveness, as in Matthew, to a universal outlook, as in Luke, we leave Mark were it is in its proper place between Matthew and Luke, being written in Palestine to these Gentile-Jews.

    THE LAST TWELVE VERSES

    Almost certainly someone asks: What about those last twelve verses of this Gospel? Are they genuine or spurious? The question is not easily answered. That Mark would end at verse 5, with the words, “for they were afraid” is unthinkable. This would be a strange anti-climax, leaving the resurrection finale incomplete and, even more so, this is unthinkable on grammatical grounds, (in the Greek) the final word is the little conjunction “for.”

    The Scofield” note in loco rightly says: “The passage from verse 9 to the end is not found in the two most ancient manuscripts, the Sinaitic and Vatican, and others have it with partial omissions and variations. But it is quoted by Ireneus and Hyppolytus in the second or third century.” It might have been added that the Vatican manuscript does have a space left after our verse 8, indicating a known absence of some completive portion. And, as the Angus Bible Handbook says: “The overwhelming mass of MSS., versions and Fathers are in favor of the verses.” Moreover, doubt concerning them does not seem to have been expressed until the fourth century.

    MARK’ S INTENDED PURPOSE

    Mark’s purpose in writing this Gospel account is quickly revealed. He wants us to see Jesus at work. It is as though he is saying: “Look! What Jesus did proves who He was. What He wrought authenticates what He taught. The mighty works verify the startling words. Watch Him at work, and marvel at this supernatural Wonder-worker! That will convince you.”

    So, there is no opening genealogy as in Matthew, no introductory account of what preceded and attended and succeeded the birth of Jesus. Right away we are at the Jordan, to hear John announce that “One mightier” is at hand. Forthwith Jesus is on the scene; the miracle-ministry begins; and by eager, graphic strokes Mark reaches in chapter one what Matthew takes eight chapters to overtake. He covers in nine chapters what Matthew covers in twice as many. Not that his account is skimpy, for, on the contrary, it is alive with detail; but he focuses on what Jesus did, and omits much of what Jesus said.

    Mark is distinctively the Gospel of what Jesus did. Even the “kingdom,” which filled our Lord’s preaching and is named over fifty times in Matthew, is on our Lord’s lips only fourteen times in Mark. It is clear as can be what Mark intends: we are meant to look and marvel at the “mighty works” – and well we may!

    This procedure of Mark’s, also, gives us his picture of Jesus. We recall the four faces of the cherubim in Ezekiel 5 vision – lion, ox, man, eagle; speaking respectively of kingship, service, manhood, Godhead. As we have noted, those four are paralleled in the four Gospel accounts. In Mark, our Lord is uniquely transcribed as the SERVANT. corresponding with the second of the faces.
    In Mark’s Gospel the Lordship is on every page, yet everywhere the Lord is the SERVANT. The Apostle Paul says it this way:
    “He took upon Himself the form of a servant… and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross” (Philippians 2:7,8).

    THE COMPOSITION OF THE GOSPEL OF MARK

    There are no designed groupings like Matthew’s. That is not Mark’s policy. he wants us to catch the wonder of this Mighty-One in Action. So, instead of specialized groupings or methodical sectioning, we have a purposely unhalting succession of astonishing doings. Mark is the camera-man of the four Gospel-writers, giving us shots of unforgettable scenes. There are certain main breaks in his story, as we soon see; but even they are not allowed to interrupt these rapid, one after another snapshots of breath-taking marvels. One mighty work follows another across the screen, sometimes with abrupt transition, until by force of cumulative impact we are compelled to exclaim – just as Mark intends – “Surely this was the Son of God!”

    We want to now look through the earlier chapters and see how this is so. Right away, in the short preface, four voices announce the Wonder-worker now being introduced.

          Mark - "Jesus Christ, the SON OF GOD" (verses 1). 
          Isaiah - "Prepare ye the way of THE LORD" (verse 3). 
          John - "There cometh ONE MIGHTIER" (verse 7). 
          God - "Thou art MY BELOVED SON" (verse 11). 
    

    Then at once the public ministry begins. Straightway we have a rapid series of astounding exploits:

          A demon cast out in the synagogue (verse 26). 
          A fever case healed in the home (verse 31). 
          Crowds of invalids cured at the door (verse 34). 
          A leper cleansed by the wayside (verse 42). 
    

    All this is in chapter one. The word euthios (straightway,” “immediately”) is everywhere. The people are “astonished” at His “doctrine,” and are “amazed” at His “authority.” His “fame” spreads “throughout all the region” and is “blazed abroad.”

    On the very heels of all this, chapter two beings a quick succession of hostile criticisms:

          The Scribes - "This man speaketh blasphemy. Who can forgive sins but God only?"verse 7". 
          The Pharisees - "How is it that He eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?" (verse 16). 
          John's disciples - "Why do the disciples of John and the Pharisees fast, but Thy disciples fast not?" (verse 18). 
          The Pharisees - "Behold, why do they (His disciples) on the Sabbath day that which is not lawful?" (verse 24). 
    

    And in each case we marvel at our Lord’s replies. He moves from one encounter to another in perfect control of every situation.

    Chapter three begins with “And” (out of sixteen chapters twelve begin with “And,” indicating the unhalting continuity of the narrative.) And the march of marvels continues –

          He healed many - 
          a man with a withered hand is healed -
          unclean spirits... fell down before Him. 
    

    Specimen parables follow briefly in chapter 4, but are quickly followed by even mightier miracles –

          the quelling of the tempest - 
          the expulsion of a whole demon "legion" - 
          the curing of the incurable - 
          and the raising of the dead. 
    

    Still more spectacular wonders follow in chapters 6, 7, 8 –

          the feeding of the five thousand by the creative multiplication of a few morsels - 
          the walk over the gale-swept sea - 
          demons cast out - 
          deafness and dumbness healed - 
          and the feeding of the four thousand with the seven loaves." 
    

    All this is so few chapters, with such energetic rapidity – and punctuated by references of the effect on the people:

          "They were astonished at His doctrine" (1:22). 
          "And they were all amazed" (1:27). 
          "His frame spread abroad throughout all the region" (1:28). 
          "They came to Him from every quarter" (1:45). 
          "Many were gathered together, insomuch that there was no room to receive them" (2:2). 
          "They were all amazed.. .We never saw it on this fashion (2:12). 
          "All the multitude resorted unto Him" (2:13). 
          "A great multitude from Galilee followed Him, and from Judea, and from Jerusalem and from Idumea, and from   beyond Jordan, and they about Tyre and Sidon; a great Multitude, when they had heard what great things He did"   (3:7,8). 
          "The multitude . . . lest they should throng Him" (3:9). 
          "And unclean spirits . . . fell down before Him, and cried, Thou art the Son of God!" (3:11). 
          "The multitude cometh together again, so that they could not so much as eat bread" (3:20). 
          "He began again to teach... and there was gathered unto Him a great multitude" (4:1) 
          "What manner of Man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?" (4:41). 
          "Much people gathered unto Him" (5:21). 
          "They were astonished with a great astonishment" (5:42). 
          "The people ran afoot out of all cities , and came together unto Him" (6:33) - verse 44 shows they were thousands. 
          "They.. ran through that whole region round about, and began to carry about in beds those that were sick, where  they heard He was. And whithersoever He entered, into villages or cities or country, they laid the sick in the streets,  and besought Him that they might touch if it were but the border of His garment; and as many as touched Him were  made whole!" (6:55,56). 
          "They were beyond measure astonished, saying, He hath done all things well!" (7:37). 
    

    So runs the incomparable story. The like had never been witnessed from the foundation of the world. THIS TRULY IS THE SON OF GOD, THE MESSIAH, THE CHRIST OF ISRAEL! At long last the KING had come. All are flocking to Him. The healed, the blessed, the grateful, the applauding are everywhere. Public acclaim has reached high-tide. SURELY THE KING will now take up the crown and septre which rightly belong to Him and establish the long awaited everlasting kingdom of which Daniel the prophet spoke. (Daniel 2:44; 714, 27).

    BUT NO; suddenly the light dims, the air chills, there is a sharp and distinct mood change; for at chapter 8:31 we read, with utter surprise if you have really gotten the feel of the story up to now.

     "And He began to teach then that the Son of Man must SUFFER many things, and be REJECTED of the
     elders and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be KILLED." 
    

    There it is, right after the open declaration of Peter on behalf of himself and the disciples: “Thou art the Christ” (verse 29). Just when it seems a peak-point is reached, hopes are dashed, and there comes this ABRUPT, ASTOUNDING TRANSITION. Instead of a throne waiting at Jerusalem, THERE IS A CROSS! Instead of royal purple, A CRIMINAL’S DEATH!

    That such a one as HE should be thus spurned, killed, shamed, and that SUCH a ministry of mighty works and gracious cures and super-wisdom should end in such a disgraceful and dishonorable way, is almost too hard to be believable. It is completely inconsistent with the direction things were going. It is the most tragic rejection and mystery of the ages.

    Thus in verse 32 we have Peter rebuking Jesus.

     "Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee" -Matthew 16:22. 
    

    The sudden change at chapter 8:31 is staggering. It is quite clear from the way Mark relates these events that we are meant to see it so, for there is no mistaking it – from that point onward the cross is uppermost in our Lord’s mind, and repeatedly on His lips (9:12, 31; 10:21, 32-34, 38, 45; 12:7, 8; 14:8, 18, 22-25). In Mark’s narrative it is (8:31) “THE GREAT DIVIDE,” so that the story falls into two vivid parts

     the MIGHTY WORKS WHICH HE WROUGHT (1:14 - 8:30), and 
     the TRAGIC ENIGMA OF HIS REJECTION (8:31 - 15:47). 
    

    We may see the whole of the Gospel of Mark in the following outline.

    OUTLINE OF MARK’S GOSPEL

     Key idea: Jesus Jehovah's Servant, the Mighty Worker. 
     Key verse: 10:45 - "To minister.. .and give His life." 
     Key word: Euthios , "straight," "immediately," etc. 
    

    Forward: Four voices Announce Him: Chapter 1:1-13. “Son of God,” “The Lord,” One Mighter,” “My Son.”

    I. The Mighty Works, Chapters 1:14 – 8:30.

        1.First message and disciples, 1:14-20. 
        2.First mighty works and effect, 1:21 - 2:12. 
        3.First critics - and replies, 2:13 - 3:6. 
        4.Crowds flock: Twelve chosen, 3:7-19. 
        5.Scribes warned: reply to same, 3:20-35. 
        6.Parables = few "good" hears, 4:1-34. 
        7.More mighty works and effects, 4:35 - 6:6. 
        8.The Twelve endued and sent out, 6:7-13. 
        9.Herod's idea: the twelve report, 6:14-31. 
       10.Still mighter works, 6:32-56. 
       11.Critics; sighs; final signs, 7:1 - 8:26. 
       12.Avowal: "Thou art the Christ", 8:27-30. 
    

    II. The Tragic Enigma, Chapters 8:31 – 15:47

        1.Strange new note: The Cross, 8:31 - 9:1. 
        2.Transfiguration: Cross again, 9:2-13. 
        3.Mighty miracle: Cross again, 9:14-32. 
        4.Apostles rebuked; counseled, 9:33-50. 
        5.Judea again: sayings, doings, 10:1-31. 
        6.To Jerusalem: Cross in view, 10:32-52. 
        7.The triumphal entry, 11:1-11. 
        8.Fig tree: Temple purge, 11:12-19. 
        9.Foes: Olivet discourse, 11:20- 13:37. 
       10.Bethany - and betrayal, 14:l:-ll. 
       11.Passover - Garden Trial, 14:12-72. 
       12.Pilate; Cross; Burial, 15:1-47. 
    

    Finale: Four fold triumph, Chapter 16.

        1.Risen (1-8). 
        2.Appearing (9-18). 
        3.Ascended (19) 
        4.Working (20)
    

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  25. ac November 29, 2015 at 10:25 PM #

    Oh so you want to say that the disciples never knew of jesus resseruction prior

    Jesus Foretells His Death and Resurrection

    21 From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.

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  26. Georgie Porgie November 29, 2015 at 10:28 PM #

    ZOE IT SEEMS I HAVE LOST THE PIECE ON LUKE

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  27. ac November 29, 2015 at 10:38 PM #

    i do respect and understand your fanaticism with the bible ,However modern man is more intelligent and those things that seem acceptable are now brought into question guided by knoweldge and understanding seeking for truth.,
    ”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    the above excerpt clearly alerts the disciples what to except with a clear than clear indication/ observation of what the disciples should expect before and even after his death
    Yet the disciples were confounded and wanted better proof, Amazing

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  28. Simple Simon November 30, 2015 at 1:17 AM #

    @Zoe November 28, 2015 at 4:22 AM “If baptism were necessary for salvation, Paul surely would have insisted that ALL who BELIEVE should be baptized.”

    But Zoe: I NEVER said that baptism [is] necessary for salvation,

    Why do you think that I think so?

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  29. Simple Simon November 30, 2015 at 1:32 AM #

    Dear Georgie Porgie and Zoe:

    If wunna two unbelievers choose to think that a first century household did not contain children then what can I say but guh ‘long.

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  30. Zoe November 30, 2015 at 6:02 AM #

    The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in one page of his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44.[1]

    The context of the passage is the six-day Great Fire of Rome that burned much of the city in AD 64 during the reign of Roman Emperor Nero.[2] The passage is one of the earliest non-Christian references to the origins of Christianity, the execution of Christ described in the canonical gospels, and the presence and persecution of Christians in 1st-century Rome.

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  31. Zoe November 30, 2015 at 6:04 AM #

    Thanks GP, this great exposition and teaching!

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  32. Simple Simon November 30, 2015 at 9:22 AM #

    But Georgie Porgie:

    I did not ask for the meaning of the Greek word for baptism.

    My question was/is about whether or not the word household include children.

    Just remember that most of us believers will never get a Barbados Exhibition or the international equivalent.

    So to save our poor simple souls from eternal damnation we need a simple explanation that simple people can understand.

    Simple Simon is the kinda fella who at age 11 put up he han’a and ask the science teacher “please teacher why you only pickin’ on the brown skin children to answer the science questions”

    That question got Simple thrown out of that teacher’s classes for life.

    More than 50 years on the teacher hasn’t answered the Simple’s simple question and still sharply averts head when meeting Simple in public.

    So my question to you is “DOES THE WORD HOUSEHOLD INCLUDE CHILDREN?”

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  33. millertheanunnaki November 30, 2015 at 9:40 AM #

    @ Zoe November 29, 2015 at 9:23 PM #

    “No other World religion, has anything even remotely close, to the Prophecies declared in the OT, and exactly FULFILLED by Jesus in the New Testament.”
    “Isn’t that statement a paradox of complete contradictions?”

    “Miller, the context of my above statement, is, that NO other World religion has ANY prophecies relating to their supposed saviour’s, and historic fulfillment, as Christianity does.”

    “Because they are ALL MYTHS, whereas, Christianity IS* an Historically grounded FAITH!”

    Now what can be more sanctimoniously arrogant than what you wrote above?
    Who are you to judge other people’s religions describing them as “ALL MYTHS”? Are you deputizing for your god? Nothing about the Jesus story is original; just a concoction of myths borrowed from other religions and cultures, especially Egyptian.

    Since you are so cocksure about your Christianity being the only True Religion, why don’t you take a trip to Saudi Arabia and publicly ‘acclaim’ Islam to a false religion based on MYTH and that the Prophet Muhammad is a fake?

    “You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.”

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  34. Zoe November 30, 2015 at 11:36 AM #

    Miller, Did you think before you WRITE; or are just plain downright INTELLECTUALLY dishonest!?

    “Now what can be more sanctimoniously arrogant than what you wrote above?
    Who are you to judge other people’s religions describing them as “ALL MYTHS”? Are you deputizing for your god? Nothing about the Jesus story is original; just a concoction of myths borrowed from other religions and cultures, especially Egyptian.”

    “….Nothing about the Jesus story is original; just a concoction of MYTHS BORROWED FROM other religions and cultures, especially Egyptian.”

    Miller, ….just a concoction of MYTHS BORROWED from other religions…” “…Myths BORROWED…” Really Miller, here you ADMIT that the other religions are MYTHOLOGICAL, as they WERE!!! As there WAS, IS NO historical basis in FACT, nor evidence, for these OTHER religions of mythological, FANTASY, lies and FABLES!!!

    So, IF the Jesus story, BORROWED these MYTHS, from other PAGAN religions, it is absolutely amazing, supernaturally AMAZING, that all of the MYTHS, (Borrowed) became a LIVING, FACTUAL, HISTORICAL, REALITY, IN* the LIFE, of The Lord Jesus Christ, confirmed beyond reasonable doubt, BY, internal EVIDENCE, and external EVIDENCE, through Roman Historians, et al, with NO other ancient DOCUMENTS, coming CLOSE, to the ATTESTATION of the New Testament manuscripts.

    The following is taken from GP’s submission on a portion of Mark’s Gospel; again, amazing TESTIMONY from those who WITNESSED Jesus ministry!

    All this is so few chapters, with such energetic rapidity – and punctuated by references of the effect on the people:

      "They were astonished at His doctrine" (1:22). 
      "And they were all amazed" (1:27). 
      "His frame spread abroad throughout all the region" (1:28). 
      "They came to Him from every quarter" (1:45). 
      "Many were gathered together, insomuch that there was no room to receive them" (2:2). 
      "They were all amazed.. .We never saw it on this fashion (2:12). 
      "All the multitude resorted unto Him" (2:13). 
      "A great multitude from Galilee followed Him, and from Judea, and from Jerusalem and from Idumea, and from   beyond Jordan, and they about Tyre and Sidon; a great Multitude, when they had heard what great things He did"   (3:7,8). 
      "The multitude . . . lest they should throng Him" (3:9). 
      "And unclean spirits . . . fell down before Him, and cried, Thou art the Son of God!" (3:11). 
      "The multitude cometh together again, so that they could not so much as eat bread" (3:20). 
      "He began again to teach... and there was gathered unto Him a great multitude" (4:1) 
      "What manner of Man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?" (4:41). 
      "Much people gathered unto Him" (5:21). 
      "They were astonished with a great astonishment" (5:42). 
      "The people ran afoot out of all cities , and came together unto Him" (6:33) - verse 44 shows they were thousands. 
      "They.. ran through that whole region round about, and began to carry about in beds those that were sick, where  they heard He was. And whithersoever He entered, into villages or cities or country, they laid the sick in the streets,  and besought Him that they might touch if it were but the border of His garment; and as many as touched Him were  made whole!" (6:55,56). 
      "They were beyond measure astonished, saying, He hath done all things well!" (7:37). 
    

    So runs the incomparable story. The like had never been witnessed from the foundation of the world. THIS TRULY IS THE SON OF GOD, THE MESSIAH, THE CHRIST OF ISRAEL! At long last the KING had come. All are flocking to Him. The healed, the blessed, the grateful, the applauding are everywhere. Public acclaim has reached high-tide. SURELY THE KING will now take up the crown and septre which rightly belong to Him and establish the long awaited everlasting kingdom of which Daniel the prophet spoke. (Daniel 2:44; 714, 27).

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  35. millertheanunnaki November 30, 2015 at 12:08 PM #

    @ Zoe November 30, 2015 at 11:36 AM
    “Miller, ….just a concoction of MYTHS BORROWED from other religions…” “…Myths BORROWED…” Really Miller, here you ADMIT that the other religions are MYTHOLOGICAL, as they WERE!!! As there WAS, IS NO historical basis in FACT, nor evidence, for these OTHER religions of mythological, FANTASY, lies and FABLES!!!”

    Bingo!! You got that right, alright! All religions are based on myths, legends and fables.
    Ask Zeus or Vishnu if you want to.

    Do you really feel you have a monopoly on the cut and paste art of an arrogant unthinking fool? Well here is your nemesis:

    “Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too inconsistent for practice, t renders the heart torpid or produces only atheists or fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of despotism, and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests, but so far as respects the good of man in general it leads to nothing here or hereafter. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

    “The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the sun, in which they put a man called Christ in the place of the sun, and pay him the adoration originally payed to the sun.”~ Thomas Paine

    “Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the author, on which only the strange believe that it is the word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and traditionary or invented absurdities, or of downright lies. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

    “Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistant that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel.” [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

    “All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.”

    “I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church.” [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

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  36. Vincent Haynes November 30, 2015 at 1:29 PM #

    @millertheanunnaki November 30, 2015 at 12:08 PM #

    Skippah……….like you want the twins to drop down dead from a heart attack.

    Chuckle……..If the truth was to slap them in the face they would not recognise it,as I said all that they spout is their crutch which they need in order to live.

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  37. ac November 30, 2015 at 2:00 PM #

    There are several rational reasons why Jesus was not ressurrected.1The last supper as a commemorative ceremony to remember him
    2. His identity which none of his disciples recognized aftermore than thirty years of being in his presence 3. His reply to the thief acknowledging that they would be in paradise with him.
    All of the above signify that Jesus death would have been a permanent state

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  38. Simple Simon November 30, 2015 at 3:01 PM #

    @millertheanunnaki November 30, 2015 at 9:40 AM “why don’t you take a trip to Saudi Arabia and publicly ‘acclaim’ Islam to a false religion based on MYTH and that the Prophet Muhammad is a fake?”

    Ahhh!!! Because Zoe don’t like the idea of being separated from his head…empty though it is.

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  39. Zoe November 30, 2015 at 3:52 PM #

    The Uniqueness of The Bible.

    Professor M. Montiero-Williams, former Boden Professor of Sanskrit, spent 42 years studying Eastern books and said in comparing them with the Bible:

    “Pile them, if you will, on the left side of your study table; but place your Holy Bible on the right side- all by itself, all alone – and with a WIDE gap between them. For…there is a gulf between it and so-called sacred books of the East which severs the one from the other UTTERLY, hopelessly, forever…a veritable gulf which CANNOT be bridged over by any science of religious thought. (EVIDENCE That Demands a Verdict, Historical Evidences For The Christian Faith, Josh McDowell, Chapter 1,p.15)

    UNIQUE IN ITS SURVIVAL

    “Being written on material that perishes (see p. 25), having to be copied and recorded for hundreds of years before the invention of the printing press, did not diminish its style, correctness nor existence. The Bible compared with other ancient writings, has MORE manuscript EVIDENCE than any 10 pieces of classical literature combined.”

    John Warwick Montgomery says that “to be skeptical of the resultant text of the New Testament books is to allow ALL of classical antiquity to slip into obscurity, for NO documents of the ancient period are as well ATTESTED bibliographically as the New Testament.” 64/29 (Ibid. p.19)

    Israel, covering about five centuries. The Cambridge Ancient History, (Vol.1, p.222) says: “The Israelites certainly manifest a genius for historical construction, and the Old Testament embodies the OLDEST history writing extant.”

    The distinguished archaeologist, Professor Albright, begins his classic essay, The Biblical Period:

    “Hebrew national tradition excels ALL others in its clear picture of tribal and family origins. In Egypt and Babylonia, in Assyria and Phoenicia, in Greece and Rome, we look in VAIN for anything comparable. There is nothing like it in the tradition of Germanic peoples. Neither India nor China can produce anything similar, since the earliest historical memories are literary deposits of distorted dynastic tradition, with NO trace of the herdsman pr peasant behind the DEMIGOD or king with whom their records begin. Neither in the oldest Indic historical writings (the Puranas) nor the earliest Greek historians is there a hint of the fact that both Indo-Aryans and Hellenes were once nomads who immigrated into their later abodes from the north. The Assyrians to be sure, remembered vaguely that their earliest rulers,whose names they recalled without details about their dead, were tent dwellers, but whence they came had long been forgotten.” 27/3

    “The Table of Nations” in Genesis 10 is an ASTONISHINGLY accurate historical account. According to Albright:

    “It stands ABSOLUTELY ALONE in ancient literature without a REMOTE parallel even among the Greeks…’The Table of Nations’ remains an astonishingly accurate document…(It) shows such remarkably modern understanding of the ethnic and linguistic situation in the modern world, in spite of all its complexity, that scholars never fail to be impressed with the author’s knowledge of the subject.” 7/70ff

    UNIQUE IN ITS INFLUENCE ON SURROUNDING LITERATURE.

    The Historian Philip Schaff ( The Person of Christ) American Tract Society, 1913( vividly describes its uniqueness along with its Savior:

    “This Jesus of Nazareth, WITHOUT money and arms, conquered MORE millions than Alexander, Caesar, Mohammed, and Napoleon; WITHOUT science and learning, He shed MORE light on things human and divine that ALL philosophers and scholars combined; WITHOUT the eloquence of schools, He spoke such words of life as were NEVER spoken before or since, and produced effects which lie beyond the reach of orator or poet; WITHOUT writing a single line, he set MORE pens in motion, and furnished themes for more sermons, orations, discussions, learned volumes, works of art, and songs of praise, THAN the whole army of great men of ancient and modern times.” (Ibid, pp. 23,24

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  40. Zoe November 30, 2015 at 5:20 PM #

    The Reliability of The Bible. Confirmation by Historical Text.

    C. Sanders in ‘Introduction to Research in English Literary History, list and explains the THREE basic principles of historiography. They are the BIBLIOGRAPHICAL test, the INTERNAL evidence test, and the EXTERNAL evidence test. 81/143 11.

    The Bibliographical Test for the Reliability of the New Testament.

    The bibliographical test is an examination of the textual transmission by which documents reach us. In other words, since we do not have the original documents, how reliable are the copies we have in regard to the number of manuscripts (MSS) and the time interval between the original and the extant copy? 64/26

    F.F. Peters points out that “on the basis of manuscript tradition ALONE, the works that made up the Christians New Testament were the MOST frequently copied and widely circulated books of antiquity.” 69/50.

    MANUSCRIPT EVIDENCE OF THE NEW TESTAMENT

    There are now more than 5,300 known Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. Add over 10,000 Latin Vulgate, and at least 9,300 other early versions (MSS) and we have more than 24,000 manuscripts copies or portions of the New Testament in existence today.

    NO OTHER Document of antiquity EVEN BEGINS to approach such numbers and attestation. In comparison, the ‘Iliad’ by Homer is second with only 643 manuscripts that still survive. The first complete preserved text of Homer dates from the 13th century. 58/145

    Sir Frederic G. Kenyon, who was the director and principal librarian of the British Museum and second to none in authority for issuing statements about MSS, says,”…besides numbers, the manuscripts of the New Testament differ from those of classical authors, and this time the difference is clear gain. In NO OTHER case, is the interval of time between the composition of the book and the date of the earliest extant manuscripts SO SHORT as in that of the New Testament. The books of the New Testament were written in the latter part of the first century; the earliest extant manuscripts (trifling scraps excepted) are of the fourth century- say from 250-300 later.

    “This may sound a considerable interval, but it is nothing to that which parts most of the great classical authors from their earliest manuscripts. We believe that we have in all essentials an ACCURATE text of the seven extant plays of Sophocles; yet the earliest substantial manuscript upon which it is based was written more than 1400 years after the poets death.” 48/4

    Kenyon continues in The Bible and Archaeology: “The interval then between the dates of the original composition and the earliest extant evidence becomes SO SMALL as to be in fact negligible, and the last foundation for any doubt that the scriptures have come down to us substantially as they were written has now been removed. Both the authenticity and the general integrity of the books of the New Testament may be regarded as finally established. ” 46/288

    F. J. A. Hort rightfully adds that “In the variety and fullness of the evidence on which it rest the text of the New Testament stands ABSOLUTELY and UNAPPROACHABLY ALONE among ancient prose writings.” 43/561

    J. Harold Greenlee states “…the number of available MSS of the New Testament is OVERWHELMINGLY greater than those of any other work of ancient literature. In the third place, the earliest extant MSS of the N. T. were written much closer to the date of the original writings than is the case in almost any other piece of ancient literature.” 37/15
    (EVIDENCE THAT DEMANDS A VERDICT, Vol. 1, pp. 39, 40, 41)

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  41. Georgie Porgie November 30, 2015 at 6:00 PM #

    zoe
    Seems you are hated on BU becuse you have had exposure to good literature
    You have cited some heavy hitters in your last post

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  42. Zoe November 30, 2015 at 6:11 PM #

    Miller, Paine, must be your twin-brother, in “The Age of Ignorance”!

    “Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the author, on which only the strange believe that it is the word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and traditionary or invented absurdities, or of downright lies.” (Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason)

    “The Table of Nations” in Genesis 10 is an ASTONISHINGLY accurate historical account. According to Albright:

    “It stands ABSOLUTELY ALONE in ancient literature without a REMOTE parallel even among the Greeks…’The Table of Nations’ remains an astonishingly accurate document…(It) shows such remarkably modern understanding of the ethnic and linguistic situation in the modern world, in spite of all its complexity, that scholars never fail to be impressed with the author’s knowledge of the subject.” 7/70ff

    I am only now warming up for you, Miller- NAKI, and the likes of your IGNORANT Thomas Paine, haters of TRUTH!

    Remember, Miller, when you first tried confronting me here on BU a few years ago, and I soundly REFUTED ALL of your baseless nonsense arguments…do you recall what you said to me in response to my REFUTATIONS? I’ll remind you Miller-NAKI,

    You said, “…You are one in a billion…” You got me feeling like a PYTHON that has swallowed a JACKASS…”

    Well, Miller-NAKI, you obviously have NOT done so well in DIGESTING that JACKASS, that’s why you are writing such ABJECT NONSENSE! It GONE to your BRAIN!

    Wheel and come again, Miller, I waiting for your Python-ated mind!

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  43. Exclaimer November 30, 2015 at 6:29 PM #

    @ GP,

    You do not seem to be contributing much these days.

    I use to appreciate your medical posts.

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  44. ac November 30, 2015 at 8:14 PM #

    Did Jesus Really Rise From The Dead?

    by Dan Barker

    During the 19 years I preached the Gospel, the resurrection of Jesus was the keystone of my ministry.[1] Every Easter I affirmed the Apostle Paul’s admonition: “If Christ has not been raised, then our proclamation has been in vain and your faith has been in vain.”[2] I wrote a popular Easter musical called “His Fleece Was White As Snow” with the joyous finale proclaiming: “Sing Hosanna! Christ is Risen! The Son has risen to shine on me!”[3]
    But now I no longer believe it. Many bible scholars[4] and ministers–including one third of the clergy in the Church of England[5]–reject the idea that Jesus bodily came back to life. So do 30% of born-again American Christians![6]
    Why? When the Gospel of John portrays the post-mortem Jesus on a fishing trip with his buddies and the writer of Matthew shows him giving his team a mountain-top pep talk two days after he died, how can there be any doubt that the original believers were convinced he had bodily risen from the grave?
    There have been many reasons for doubting the claim, but the consensus among critical scholars today appears to be that the story is a “legend.” During the 60-70 years it took for the Gospels to be composed, the original story went through a growth period that began with the unadorned idea that Jesus, like Grandma, had “died and gone to heaven” and ended with a fantastic narrative produced by a later generation of believers that included earthquakes, angels, an eclipse, a resuscitated corpse, and a spectacular bodily ascension into the clouds.

    to be continued

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  45. Georgie Porgie November 30, 2015 at 9:20 PM #

    R Exclaimer November 30, 2015 at 6:29 PM #
    @ GP,

    You do not seem to be contributing much these days.

    I use to appreciate your medical posts.

    APPARENTLY WHAT I USED TO CONTRIBUTE VIA MY PPTS CAN EASILY BE FOUND ON WICKEPEDIA I WAS TOLD

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  46. millertheanunnaki November 30, 2015 at 9:34 PM #

    @ Zoe November 30, 2015 at 6:11 PM
    You said, “…You are one in a billion…” You got me feeling like a PYTHON that has swallowed a JACKASS…”

    Well, Miller-NAKI, you obviously have NOT done so well in DIGESTING that JACKASS, that’s why you are writing such ABJECT NONSENSE! It GONE to your BRAIN!
    Wheel and come again, Miller, I waiting for your Python-ated mind!”

    LOL!!! I must say you do have a memory of an elephant.
    But it is yet to be established whether you are of the African variety or of the Asian species. both of which certainly could not have been in Noah’s Ark at the same time creating the first rumble in the jungle as the two bulls came into musk.

    Let us say to you that after much tortuous periods of agonizingly convoluted digestion the python’s intellectual gall has managed to transmogrify you into a reproductive mule of intellectual dishonesty and subterfuge.

    If ,as you assert with ‘factual’ conviction the book of Genesis is not a parody of tall tales, ‘stolen’ legends and unscientific ‘literary’ mutterings of Hebrew charlatans and conjurors out to make a fast buck (or should it be shekel), then we are still awaiting a ‘convincingly’ enunciated response to the query regarding the presence of the polar bear, the kangaroo and the penguin in Noah’s Ark.

    “…but the Bible is such a book of lies and contradictions there is no knowing which part to believe or whether any…” [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

    The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

    Zoe, you ought to thank your god you have been spared such a curse. For , unlike Jesus aka Horus aka Krishna you were born the ‘sun’ of a virgin from a black hole of intellectual naïveté.

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  47. ac November 30, 2015 at 9:55 PM #

    Can history prove a miracle?

    Philosopher Antony Flew, in a 1985 debate on the resurrection[7], pointed out that history is the wrong tool for proving miracle reports. “The heart of the matter,” said Flew, “is that the criteria by which we must assess historical testimony, and the general presumptions that make it possible for us to construe leftovers from the past as historical evidence, are such that the possibility of establishing, on purely historical grounds, that some genuinely miraculous event has occurred is ruled out.”
    When examining artifacts from the past, historians assume that nature worked back then as it does today; otherwise, anything goes. American patriot Thomas Paine, in The Age of Reason, asked: “Is it more probable that nature should go out of her course, or that a man should tell a lie? We have never seen, in our time, nature go out of her course; but we have good reason to believe that millions of lies have been told in the same time; it is, therefore, at least millions to one, that the reporter of a miracle tells a lie.”
    It is a fact of history and of current events that human beings exaggerate, misinterpret, or wrongly remember events. They have also fabricated pious fraud. Most believers in a religion understand this when examining the claims of other religions.
    A messiah figure coming back to life–appearing out of thin air and disappearing–is a fantastic story, by anyone’s standard, and that is what makes it a miracle claim. If dead people today routinely crawled out of their graves and went back to work, a resurrection would have little value as proof of God’s power. The fact that it is impossible or highly unlikely is what makes it a miracle
    And that is what removes it from the reach of history.

    to be contiued

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  48. Zoe November 30, 2015 at 11:30 PM #

    The New Testament Compared with other works of Antiquity.

    The Manuscript Comparison

    F.F. Bruce in The New Testament Documents vividly pictures the comparison between the New Testament and ancient historical writings: “Perhaps we can appreciate how WEALTHY the New Testament is in manuscript attestation if we compare the textual material for the other ancient historical works. For Caesar’s Gallic Wars (composed between 58 and 50 B.C) there are several extant MSS, but only nine or ten are good, and the oldest is some 900 years later than Caesar’s day. Of the 142 books of the Roman history of Livy (50 B.C – A.D.), only 35 survive; these are known to us from not more than 20 MSS of any consequence, only one of which, and that contains fragments of Books 111-V1, is as old as the fourth century. Of the 14 books of the Histories of Tacitus (ca A.D. 100) only four and a half survive; of the 16 books of his Annals, 10 survive in full and two in part. The text of these extant portions of his two great historical works depends entirely on two MSS, one of the ninth century and one of the eleventh.

    “The extant MSS of his minor works (Dialogus de Oratoribus, Agricola, Germania) all descend from a codex of the tenth century. The History of Thucydides ( ca. 460-400 B.C.) is known to us from eight MSS, the earliest belonging to ca A.D. 900, and few papyrus scraps, belonging to about the beginning of the Christian era. The same is true the History of Herodotus ( B.C. 488-428). Yet, NO CLASSICAL SCHOLAR WOULD LISTEN to an argument that the authenticity of Herodotus or Thucydides is IN DOUBT because the earliest MSS of their works are of any use to us are over 1,300 years later than the originals.” 16/16/17)

    In contrast with these figures, the textual critic of the New Testament IS EMBARRASSED by the wealth of its material. 62/34.

    F.F. Bruce continues, “There is NO BODY of ancient literature IN THE WORLD which enjoys such a wealth of good textual attestation as the New Testament.” 15/178.

    Bruce Metzger observes: “Of all the literary compositions by the Greek people, the Homeric poems are the best suited for comparison with the Bible.” 61/144 He adds: “In the entire range of ancient Greek and Latin literature, the ‘Iliad’ ranks next to the New Testament in possessing the greatest amount of manuscript testimony.” 61/144.

    E.G. Turner points out that Homer was no doubt the most widely read author in antiquity. 92/87.

    WORK WHEN WRITTEN EARLIEST COPY TIME SPAN NO. OF COPIES
    Homer (Iliad) 900 B.C. 400 B.C 500 Yrs 643
    New Testament 40-100 A.D. 125 A.D. 25 Yrs. Over 24,000

    Geisler and Nix make a comparison of the textual variation between the New Testament documents and ancient works. “Next to the New Testament, there are more extant manuscripts of the Iliad (643) than any other book. Both it and the Bible were considered ‘sacred’ and both underwent textual changes and criticism of their Greek manuscripts. The New Testament has about 20,000 lines.” 32/366.

    They continue by saying that “The Iliad (has) about 15,600. Only 40 lines (or 400 words) of the New Testament are in doubt., whereas 764 lines of the Iliad are questioned. This five percent textual corruption compares with one-half of one percent of similar emendations in the New Testament. 32/367

    Benjamin Warfield in Introduction to Textual Criticism of the New Testament, quotes Ezra Abbot’s opinion about nineteen-twentieths of the New Testament textual variations, saying that they: “…have SO LITTLE support…although there are various readings; and nineteen-twentieths of the remainder are of SO LITTLE IMPORTANCE, that their adoption or rejection would cause NO appreciable difference in the sense of the passage where they occur.” 100/14

    Warfield, boldy declares that the FACTS show that the great majority of the New Testament “has been transmitted to us with NO, or next to NO, variations; and even in the most corrupt form in which it has ever appeared, to use the oft-quoted words of Richard Bentley, ‘the real text of the sacred writers is competently EXACT;…nor is ONE article of faith or moral precept either perverted or lost…choose as awkwardly as you will, choose the worst by design, out of the whole lump of readings.” 100/14; 85/163

    Schaff quotes both Tregelles and Scrivener: “we posses SO MANY MSS, and we are aided by SO MANY versions, that we are NEVER left to the need of conjecture as the means of removing errata.”

    That the textual variations DO NOT endanger DOCTRINE is emphatically stated by Sir Frederic Kenyon (one of the great authorities in the field of New Testament textual criticism): ” ONE word of warning already referred to, must be emphasized in conclusion. NO FUNDAMENTAL DOCTRINE of the Christian faith rest on a disputed reading…It cannot be too strongly asserted that IN SUBSTANCE with the New Testament, of early translations from it, and of quotations from it in the oldest writers of the Church, is so large that it is practically certain that the TRUE reading of EVERY doubtful passage is PRESERVED in some one or the other of these ancient authorities. THIS CAN BE SAID OF NO OTHER ANCIENT BOOK IN THE WORLD.

    “Scholars are satisfied that they possess substantially the true text of the principle Greek and Roman writers whose works have come down to us, of Sophocles, of Thucydides, of Cicero, of Virgil; YET our knowledge of their writings depends on a MERE HANDFUL of manuscripts, whereas the manuscripts of the New Testament are counted by HUNDREDS, and even THOUSANDS. ” 49/23

    Gleason Archer, in answering the question about objective EVIDENCE, shows that variants or errors in transmission of the text DO NOT affect God’s revelation:

    “A careful study of the variants (different readings) of the various earliest manuscripts reveals that NONE of them affects a single doctrine of Scripture. The system of spiritual TRUTH contained in the standard Hebrew text of the Old Testament IS NOT in the slightest altered or compromised by any of the variant readings found in the Hebrew manuscripts of earlier date, found in the Dead Sea caves or anywhere else. All that is needed to verify this is to cjeck the register of well-attested variants in Rudolf Kittel’s edition of the Hebrew Bible. It is very evident that the vast majority of them are so inconsequential as to leave the meaning of each clause doctrinally UNAFFECTED.” 10/25

    Benjamin Warfield said, “If we compare the present state of the New Testament text with that of ANY other ancient writing, we MUST…DECLARE it to be MARVELOUSLY correct. Such has been the care with which the New Testament has been copied for its Holy Words- such has been the providence of God in preserving for His Church in each and every age a competently EXACT text of the Scriptures, that not only IS the New Testament UNRIVALLED among ancient writings in its PURITY of its text as actually transmitted and kept in use, but also in the abundance of TESTIMONY which has come down to us for castigating its comparatively infrequent blemishes.” 100/12,13

    Frederic G. Kenyon continues in The Story of the Bible: “t is reassuring at the end to find that the general result of ALL these discoveries (of manuscripts) and all this study is to strengthen the PROOF of the authenticity of the Scriptures, and our conviction that WE HAVE in our hands, in substantial integrity, the VERITABLE Word of God.” 50/113
    (EVIDENCE THAT DEMANDS A VERDICT, Historical Evidences For The Christian Faith, Vol/ 1, pp. 41-46).

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  49. ac December 1, 2015 at 12:29 AM #

    History is limited; it can only confirm events that conform to natural regularity. This is not an anti-supernaturalistic bias against miracles, as is sometimes claimed by believers. The miracles may have happened, but in order to know they happened, we need a different tool of knowledge. Yet except for faith (which is not a science), to make a case for the resurrection of Jesus, history is the only tool Christians have
    Examining a miracle with history is like searching for a planet with a microscope.
    David Hume wrote: “No testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle unless that testimony be of such a kind that its falsehood would be more miraculous than the fact which it endeavours to establish.”[8] Carl Sagan liked to say, “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” Such evidence is exactly what we do not have with the resurrection of Jesus.
    At best (or worst), this should convince us not that the resurrection is disproved, but that disbelief in the resurrection is rationally justified. The incompatibility of miracles with the historical method is persuasive, especially to those not committed a priori to the truth of religious scripture, but we still need something more than this if we are to say with confidence that the bodily resurrection did not happen.

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  50. Zoe December 1, 2015 at 12:30 AM #

    millertheanunnaki November 30, 2015 at 9:34 PM #
    @ Zoe November 30, 2015 at 6:11 PM

    You said, “…You are one in a billion…” You got me feeling like a PYTHON that has swallowed a JACKASS…”

    Miller, I’m sure, you are NOT man enough to ADMIT that the above, said to me, WAS in fact a Compliment from you, that’s why I remember it so well; and the latter part,

    “You got me feeling like a PYTHON that has swallowed a JACKASS…”,

    Was obviously in reference TO MY Refutations to all of your attempts at stumping me, which you simply could NOT get around, hence, the CONTENT of my sound refutations, had you “…feeling like a PYTHON that has swallowed a JACKASS.”

    Here, you NOW come with MORE ‘STERILE intellectual DISHONESTY; and utterly PARALYZED Mythical orthodoxy’

    When ARE YOU going to come and present something of SUBSTANCE, historical FACTS and evidence, NOT the vacuous, venomous, and malignant EMPTINESS, and SHALLOWNESS, that you come here with!!

    Any FOOL , with a modicum of intelligence, can WRITE the nonsense you post, BUT, to post sound, well founded, factual and historical truth, is an entirely different matter, that you are clearly and obviously NOT capable of doing re THIS vitally important subject matter!

    You know why you CANNOT do it, Miller, it is simply NOT possible to REFUTE, the FACTS and EVIDENCE I have presented!

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  51. ac December 1, 2015 at 5:22 AM #

    Naturalistic explanations for the resuurection

    Some critics have offered naturalistic explanations for the face-value New Testament stories of the empty tomb. Maybe Jesus didn’t actually die on the cross; he just passed out, and woke up later–the “swoon theory”[19]. Or perhaps the disciples hallucinated the risen Jesus. (They and “five hundred” others.) Or Mary went to the wrong tomb, finding it empty, mistaking the “young man” for an angel. Or perhaps the body was stolen–the “conspiracy theory,” an idea that boasts a hint of biblical support in that the only eye-witnesses (the Roman soldiers) said that was exactly what happened[20]. Or perhaps Jesus’ body was only temporarily stored in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea (possibly with the two thieves) and was later reburied in a common grave, the usual fate of executed criminals.[21] Or perhaps someone else, such as Thomas, was crucified in Jesus’s place.[22]
    These hypotheses have various degrees of plausibility. In my opinion, none of them seem overly likely, but they are at least as credible as a corpse coming back to life, and they fit the biblical facts.
    If a believer asks, “Why have you ruled out the supernatural?” I will say I have not ruled it out: I have simply given it the low probability it deserves along with the other possibilities. I might equally ask them, “Why have you ruled out the natural?”
    The problem I have with some of the natural explanations is that they give the text too much credit. They tend to require almost as much faith as the orthodox interpretation. Combined with the historical objection and the mythicists’ arguments (above), the existence of a number of plausible natural alternatives can bolster the confidence of skeptics, but they can’t positively disprove the bodily resurrection of Jesus.

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  52. ac December 1, 2015 at 5:34 AM #

    Internal Discrepancies

    The resurrection of Jesus is one of the few stories that is told repeatedly in the bible–more than 5 times–so it provides an excellent test for the orthodox claim of scriptural inerrancy and reliability. When we compare the accounts, we see they don’t agree.

    What time did the women visit the tomb?
    Matthew: “as it began to dawn” (28:1)

    Mark “very early in the morning . . . at the rising of the sun” (16:2, KJV); “when the sun had risen” (NRSV); “just after sunrise” (NIV)

    Luke: “very early in the morning” (24:1, KJV) “at early dawn” (NRSV)

    John: “when it was yet dark” (20:1)

    Who were the women?
    Matthew: Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (28:1)
    Mark: Mary Magdalene, the mother of James, and Salome (16:1)
    Luke: Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and other women (24:10)
    John: Mary Magdalene (20:1)

    What was their purpose?
    Matthew: to see the tomb (28:1)
    Mark: had already seen the tomb (15:47), brought spices (16:1)
    Luke: had already seen the tomb (23:55), brought spices (24:1)
    John: the body had already been spiced before they arrived (19:39,40)

    and there are more

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  53. Zoe December 1, 2015 at 7:54 AM #

    Quotations and Observations on the Reliability of The Old Testament.

    Robert Dick Wilson’s brilliant observations take the VERACITY and TRUSTWORTHINESS of Scriptures back to Old Testament times: “In 144 cases of transliteration from Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian and Moabite into Hebrew, and in 40 cases of the opposite, or 184 in all, the EVIDENCE shows that for 2300 to 3900 years the text of proper names in the Hebrew Bible has been transmitted with the MOST MINUTE accuracy. That the original scribes should have written them with such close conformity to correct philological principles is a wonderful PROOF of their thorough care and scholarship by copyists through so many centuries is a PHENOMENON unequaled in the history of literature.” 102/71

    Wilson adds: “There are about forty of these kings living from 2,000 B.C to 400 B.C. Each appears in chronological order…with references to the kings of the same country and with respect to kings of other countries…NO STRONGER evidence for the substantial accuracy of the Old Testament records could possibly be imagined, than this collection of kings,” Mathematically, it is one chance in 750,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, that this accuracy is mere circumstance.” 102/70/71.

    F.F. Bruce states that “the consonantal text of the Hebrew Bible which the Massoretes edited had been handed down to their time with CONSPICUOUS fidelity over a period of nearly a thousand years.” 15/178

    William Green concludes that “it may safely be said that NO other work of antiquity has been so accurately transmitted.” 36/181

    Concerning the accuracy of the transmission of the Hebrew text, Atkinson, who was Under-Librarian of the library at Cambridge University, says it is “LITTLE short of MIRACULOUS.”

    The Internal Test for the Reliability of the Scriptures

    BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT

    On this test John Warwick Montgomery writes that literary critics still follow Aristotle’s dictum that “the benefit of the doubt is to be given to the document itself, NOT arrogated by the critic to himself.”

    Therefore, “one must listen to the claims of the document under analysis, and not assume fraud or error unless the author disqualified himself by contradictions of known factual inaccuracies.” 64/29

    “…Difficulties do not constitute objections,” adds Robert Horn. “Unresolved problems are not of necessity errors. This is not to minimize the are of difficulty; it is to see it in perspective. Difficulties are to be grappled with and problems are to drive us to seek clearer light; but until such time as we have total and final light on any issue we are in no position to affirm, ‘Here is a proven error; an unquestionable objection to an infallible Bible. It is common knowledge that countless ‘objections’ have been FULLY resolved since this century began.” 43/86.87 (EVIDENCE THAT DEMANDS A VERDICT, Historical Evidences For The Christian Faith, Vol. 1, pp. 55,60, 61).

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  54. Zoe December 1, 2015 at 9:03 AM #

    PRIMARY SOURCE VALUE

    They wrote as EYEWITNESSES or from first-hand information.

    Luke 1: 1-3 – “Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among US, just as those who from the BEGINNING were EYEWITNESSES and servants of the Word have handed down to us, it seemed fitting for me as well, having INVESTIGATED everything CAREFULLY from the BEGINNING, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus.”

    11 Peter 1:16 -“For we DID NOT follow cleverly devised tales when we made KNOWN to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were EYEWITNESSES of His majesty.”

    1John 1:3 – “…What we have SEEN and HEARD we proclaim to you also, that you also may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ.”

    Acts 2:22 – “Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man ATTESTED to you by God with MIRACLES and WONDERS and SIGNS which God performed through Him in your MIDST, just as yourselves KNOW…”

    John 19:35 – “And he who has SEEN has borne WITNESS, and his WITNESS is TRUE; and he KNOWS that he is telling the TRUTH, so that you also may believe.”

    Luke 3:1 – “Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea, and Herod was tetarch of Galilee, and his brother Phillip was tetarch of the region of Ituraes and Trachonitis, and Lysanias was tetrarch of Abilene…”

    Acts 26: 24-26 – “And while Paul was saying this in defense, Festus said in a loud voice, ‘Paul, you are out of your mind: Your great learning is driving you mad.’ But Paul said, ‘I am not out of my mind, most excellent Festus, but I utter words of sober TRUTH. For the king KNOWS about these matters, and I speak to him also with confidence, since I am persuaded that NONE of these things escape his notice: for this has NOT been done in a corner.”

    F.F. Bruce,k the Rylands Professor of Biblical Criticism and Exegesis at the University of Manchester, says, concerning the ‘primary-source value of the New Testament:

    “The earliest preachers of the Gospel knew the value of…first-hand testimony, and appealed to it time and again. ‘We are WITNESSES of these things,’ was their constant and confident assertion. And it can have been by no means so easy as some writers seem to think to invent words and deeds of Jesus in those early years, when so many of His disciples were about, who could remember what had and what had not happened.”

    “And it was not only friendly eyewitnesses that the early preachers had to reckon with; there were others less well disposed who were also conversant with the main facts of the ministry and death of Jesus. The disciples could not afford to risk inaccuracies (not to speak of willful manipulation of the facts). which would at once be expossed by those who would be only too glad to do so. On the contrary, one of the strong points in the original apostolic preaching is the confident appeal to the knowledge of the hearers; they not only said, ‘We are WITNESSES of those things,’ but also, ‘As you yourselves also KNOW’ (Acts 2:22). Had there been and tendency to depart from the FACTS in any material respect, the possible presence of hostile witnesses in the audience would have served as a further corrective.” 16/33, 44-46 (Ibid, pp. 61,52)

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  55. ac December 1, 2015 at 10:42 AM #

    Intellectual dishonesty is the worst of all evils. It denies the mind the freedom to express itself and breeds and cultivates in baren soil

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  56. millertheanunnaki December 1, 2015 at 12:16 PM #

    @ Zoe December 1, 2015 at 12:30 AM
    “Here, you NOW come with MORE ‘STERILE intellectual DISHONESTY; and utterly PARALYZED Mythical orthodoxy’

    When ARE YOU going to come and present something of SUBSTANCE, historical FACTS and evidence, NOT the vacuous, venomous, and malignant EMPTINESS, and SHALLOWNESS, that you come here with!!
    Any FOOL , with a modicum of intelligence, can WRITE the nonsense you post, BUT, to post sound, well founded, factual and historical truth, is an entirely different matter, that you are clearly and obviously NOT capable of doing re THIS vitally important subject matter!
    You know why you CANNOT do it, Miller, it is simply NOT possible to REFUTE, the FACTS and EVIDENCE I have presented!”

    Well my python-swallowed enemy of Reason and History here is the antidote to your own venomous of spiel of lies and contradictions you refer to as “FACTS and EVIDENCE” with further doses to come to stop the cancerous spread of brainwashing and deceit of the innocent and intellectually naïve:

    “The sun-god Horus was worshipped nearly 1,000 years before the story of Jesus. Check these parallels:”

    Both were conceived of a virgin.
    Both were the “only begotten son” of a god (either Osiris or Yahweh)
    Horus’s mother was Meri, Jesus’s mother was Mary.
    Horus’s foster father was called Jo-Seph, and Jesus’s foster father was Joseph.
    Both foster fathers were of royal descent.6.Both were born in a cave (although sometimes Jesus is said to have been born in a stable).
    Both had their coming announced to their mother by an angel.
    Horus; birth was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star). Jesus had his birth heralded by a star in the East (the sun rises in the East).
    Ancient Egyptians celebrated the birth of Horus on December 21 (the Winter Solstice). Modern Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25.
    Both births were announced by angels (this is the same as number 7).
    Both had shepherds witnessing the birth.
    Horus was visited at birth by “three solar deities” and Jesus was visited by “three wise men”.
    After the birth of Horus, Herut tried to have Horus murdered. After the birth of Jesus, Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.
    To hide from Herut, the god That tells Isis, “Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child.” To hide from Herod, an angel tells Joseph to “arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt.”
    When Horus came of age, he had a special ritual where his eye was restored. When Jesus (and other Jews) come of age, they have a special ritual called a Bar Mitzvah.
    Both Horus and Jesus were 12 at this coming-of-age ritual.
    Neither have any official recorded life histories between the ages of 12 and 30.
    Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus. Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan.
    Both were baptized at age 30.
    Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.
    Both Anup and John were later beheaded.
    Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set. Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Satan.
    Both Horus and Jesus successfully resist this temptation.
    Both have 12 disciples.
    Both walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind.
    Horus “stilled the sea by his power.” Jesus commanded the sea to be still by saying, “Peace, be still.”
    Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave. Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.)
    Osiris was raised in the town of Anu. Lazarus was raised in Bethanu (literally, “house of Anu”).
    Both gods delivered a Sermon on the Mount.
    Both were crucified.
    Both were crucified next to two thieves.
    Both were buried in a tomb.
    Horus was sent to Hell and resurrected in 3 days. Jesus was sent to Hell and came back “three days” later (although Friday night to Sunday morning is hardly three days).
    Both had their resurrection announced by women.
    Both are supposed to return for a 1000-year reign.
    Horus is known as KRST, the anointed one. Jesus was known as the Christ (which means “anointed one”).
    Both Jesus and Horus have been called the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, and the winnower.
    Both are associated with the zodiac sign of Pisces (the fish).
    Both are associated with the symbols of the fish, the beetle, the vine, and the shepherd’s crook.
    Horus was born in Anu (“the place of bread”) and Jesus was born in Bethlehem (“the house of bread”).
    “The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: ‘Out of Egypt have I called my son.'”
    Both were transfigured on the mount.
    The catacombs of Rome have pictures of the infant Horus being held by his mother, not unlike the modern-day images of “Madonna and Child.”
    Noted English author C. W. King says that both Isis and Mary are called “Immaculate”.
    Horus says: “Osiris, I am your son, come to glorify your soul, and to give you even more power.” And Jesus says: “Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once.”
    Horus was identified with the Tau (cross).

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  57. ac December 1, 2015 at 8:03 PM #

    Did Jesus stay on earth for more than a day?

    Mark: No (16:19[23]) Compare 16:14 with John 20:19 to show that this was all done on Sunday
    Luke: No (24:50-52) It all happened on Sunday
    John: Yes, at least eight days (20:26, 21:1-22)
    Acts: Yes, at least forty days (1:3)

    Where did the ascension take place?
    Matthew: No ascension. Book ends on mountain in Galilee
    Mark: In or near Jerusalem, after supper (16:19[23])
    Luke: In Bethany, very close to Jerusalem, after supper (24:50-51)
    John: No ascension
    Paul: No ascension
    Acts: Ascended from Mount of Olives (1:9-12)

    It is not just atheist critics who notice these problems. Christian scholars agree that the stories are discrepant. Culver H. Nelson: “In any such reading, it should become glaringly obvious that these materials often contradict one another egregiously. No matter how eagerly one may wish to do so, there is simply no way the various accounts of Jesus’ post-mortem activities can be harmonized.”[24] A. E. Harvey: “All the Gospels, after having run closely together in their accounts of the trial and execution, diverge markedly when they come to the circumstance of the Resurrection. It’s impossible to fit their accounts together into a single coherent scheme.”[25] Thomas Sheehan agrees: “Despite our best efforts, the Gospel accounts of Jesus’ post-mortem activities, in fact, cannot be harmonized into a consistent Easter chronology.”[26] The religiously independent (though primarily Christian) scholars in the Westar Institute, which includes more than 70 bible scholars with Ph.D or equivalent, conclude: “The five gospels that report appearances (Matthew, Luke, John, Peter, Gospel of the Hebrews) go their separate ways when they are not rewriting Mark; their reports cannot be reconciled to each other. Hard historical evidence is sparse.”[27]
    I have challenged believers to provide a simple non-contradictory chronological narrative of the events between Easter Sunday and the ascension, without omitting a single biblical detail[28]. So far, without misinterpreting words or drastically rearranging passages, no one has given a coherent account. Some have offered “harmonies” (apparently not wondering why the work of a perfect deity should have to be harmonized), but none have met the reasonable request to simply tell the story

    this is one of the most detail and sterile articles to uncover the story of the resurrection. If one really wants to know the truth and Facts before and after the resurrection this is a must read, ‘
    Unfortunately too long to put here

    https://ffrf.org/legacy/about/bybarker/rise.php

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  58. Zoe December 1, 2015 at 10:12 PM #

    How to Quickly Debunk the Horus-Jesus Myth

    Broadly speaking, the story of Horus is as follows:

    Horus was born on December 25th of the virgin Isis-Meri. His birth was accompanied by a star in the east, which in turn, three kings followed to locate and adorn the new-born savior. At the age of 12, he was a prodigal child teacher, and at the age of 30 he was baptized by a figure known as Anup and thus began his ministry. Horus had 12 disciples he traveled about with, performing miracles such as healing the sick and walking on water. Horus was known by many gestural names such as The Truth, The Light, God’s Annointed Son, The Good Shepherd, The Lamb of God, and many others. After being betrayed by Typhon, Horus was crucified, buried for 3 days, and thus, resurrected.

    These attributes of Horus, whether original or not, seem to permeate in many cultures of the world, for many other gods are found to have the same general mythological structure.1

    Richard Carrier also believes that resurrection stories were “wildly popular among the pagans” and begat a something akin to the standard trope, with the Gospels simply following in this tradition:

    Among pagans, genuine sons of god who had to be murdered, buried, and then miraculously resurrected from the dead in order to judge and rule from heaven on high as our divine saviors were actually a common fad of the time, not a shocking novelty at all.

    Osirus and Romulus were widely worshipped to the tune of such sacred stories demonstrably before the rise of Christianity, and similar stories surrounded other dying-and-rising gods long before such as Zalmoxis, Adonis, and Inanna.2

    The Horus-Jesus Myth: Be Critical

    Just like the stolen kidney story, the Horus-Jesus connection myth has much of what makes an urban legend appealing: a moral tale that shows how one’s gullibility can result in one being taken in with serious consequences, the authoritative yet undefined source, a set of facts that on the surface are seemingly plausible, and the ability to shock others with a sensational revelation. Yet, just like the stolen kidney story, all you need to do is to think a bit and the paper-thin claims of Jesus’s stolen resurrection will quickly melt away. Here are five points to consider:

    1) Loaded Language

    Notice in the Zeitgeist story, all the terms used are ones taken from Christianity. Horus is called a “messiah” and was “baptized.” He had “disciples” and a “ministry.”

    All of these terms bias the listener because they are Jewish or Christian concepts. The Egyptians would never use these words to refer to their religious rites.

    The word messiah had a very specific meaning to the Jews, including being a descendant of David. It wasn’t any political figure. Christianity teaches that believers are baptized only once, not simply a pre-religious washing ceremony.

    By mislabeling other deities with Christian terms, the listener is deluded into believing the similarities are closer than they really are.

    2) “Can I read the source of these myths?”

    The single easiest way to debunk these supposed parallel accounts of Jesus and Horus are to simply ask for the source text of the myths themselves.

    Just as the stolen kidney tale can’t be verified since it comes from “a friend of a friend,” so you’ll find that the ancient tales that supposedly parallels the life of Jesus are an extended form of hearsay.

    In fact, all these claims are usually committing the same sin many atheists claim the Gospels commit: they are more like a game of telephone than real texts.

    Interestingly, if anyone actually bothers to look up the source texts, a very different picture arises.

    For Horus, there’s NO MENTION AT ALL of twelve disciples, three king visitations, and death by crucifixion and the three day entombment.

    In fact, Horus was stung by a scorpion and a magic incantation by the god of wisdom, Thoth, purges the venom from his body. This all happens while Horus was a young child, well before his adulthood and battle for the throne. It’s nothing like Jesus’s resurrection at all.3

    3) “What do you mean by “resurrection?”

    There’s a significant difference between Jesus’s resurrection and what you read in the ancient myths.

    Osirus, according to a late tradition recorded in the first century AD by the Roman Plutarch, was cut into fourteen pieces by his nemesis Typhon and they were scattered all along the Nile.

    Osirus’s wife Isis was able to gather thirteen of those to reassemble her husband. The tale tells us that unfortunately Osirus’s sexual organ was eaten by fish and so Isis assembled another out of gold in order for Osirus to impregnate her with Horus. Osirus, since he will never be a complete being again, now resides as the god of the underworld.4

    4)”What do you mean by virgin birth?”

    Certainly, given the events above, calling Horus’s conception a virgin birth strains the idea to its breaking point.

    Other fables, such as Zeus impregnating Semele with Dionysus. He had physical relations with her even though she couldn’t see him. Zeus took Dionysus ads a fetus and sewed him into his thigh and from there Dionysus was born. To say the virgin birth stories should be considered comparable is itself laughable.

    5) “Just which calendar were they using in ancient Egypt?”

    Lastly, the claims of December 25th are completely erroneous.

    Many myths don’t specify any date at all for the birth of the deities (again, read the originals!) For Horus, Plutarch tells us he was born “about the time of the winter solstice… imperfect and premature.” Beside the fact that Plutarch mixed many Greek ideas with the Egyptian myths, it is a huge stretch to assume an exact date for Horus’s birth. Taking Plutarch’s account, the term “about the time of the winter solstice” can be a swing of weeks in either direction.

    But if the Egyptians wanted to be more precise and attach Horus with the solstice, then his birthday would be the 21/22 of December in the modern calendar, not the 25th. As I’ve explained before,

    Jesus’s actual birth is not known, and celebrating Christmas on December 25 has nothing to do with the winter solstice whatsoever.

    But it should be evident by now that the supposed evidence of Christianity’s plagiarism of earlier myths is itself based on MYTHS and contrivances. Those that offer such views attempt to paint a picture that doesn’t exist. Don’t let these organ thieves steal your brain. Challenge them to think. http://www.apologetics-notes.com

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  59. Zoe December 1, 2015 at 10:51 PM #

    “The EVIDENCE points unmistakably to the FACT that on the third day Jesus rose. This was the conclusion to which former Chief Justice of England, Lord Darling, came. At a private dinner party the talk turned to the TRUTH of Christianity, and particularly to a certain book dealing with the RESURRECTION. Placing his fingertips together, assuming a judicial attitude, and speaking with a quit emphasis that was extraordinarily impressive, he said, ‘We, as Christians, are asked to take a very great deal on trust; the teachings, for example, and the miracles of Jesus. If we had to take all on trust, I, for one, should be sceptical. The crux of the problem of whether Jesus was, or was not, what He proclaimed Himself to be, must surely depend upon the truth or otherwiseof the RESURRECTION. On that greatest point we are not merely asked to have faith. In its FAVOUR as LIVING TRUTH, there exist such OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE, positive and negative, FACTUAL and CIRCUMSTANTIAL, that no intelligent JURY in the world could fail to bring in a verdict that the RESURRECTION story is TRUE.” 19/53,54.

    Armand Nicholi, of Harvard Medical School, speaks of J.N.D. Anderson as “…a scholar of international repute and one eminently qualified to deal with the subject of EVIDENCE. He is one of the world’s leading authorities on Islamic law…He is Dean of the faculty of law in the University of London, chairman of the department of Oriental law at the School of Oriental and African Studies, and director of the Institute of Advanced Legal Studies in the University of London.” 3/4

    This outstanding British scholar who is today influential in the field of International jurisprudence says: “The EVIDENCE for the HISTORICAL basis of the Christian faith, for the essential validity of the New Testament WITNESS to the person and teaching of Christ Himself, for the FACT and significance of His atoning death, and for the HISTORICITY of the empty tomb, and the apostolic TESTIMONY to the RESURRECTION, is such as to provide an adequate foundation for the venture of faith.” 2/106. (EVIDENCE THAT DEMANDS A VERDICT, Vol. 1, p.194) Emphasis added.

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  60. millertheanunnaki December 1, 2015 at 11:15 PM #

    @ Zoe December 1, 2015 at 10:12 PM
    “Jesus’s actual birth is not known, and celebrating Christmas on December 25 has nothing to do with the winter solstice whatsoever.”

    We can see you have spent a lot of time researching the whole Horus/Jesus similarities and which have brought some shock to your “belief” system.
    So if Jesus birth is not known how do you account for his death? Was he crucified on a Good Friday and rose on the Sunday following the first full moon after the vernal equinox?
    How do you know that the same Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey on the 6th April 32 AD.? What does your “AD” stand for ‘After Death’?

    So Jesus is not Horus. Ok, then he must be Krishna:

    Krishna was miraculously conceived and born of the Virgin Devaki (“Divine One”) as a divine incarnation.
    He was born at a time when his family had to travel to pay the yearly tax.
    His father was a carpenter yet Krishna was born of royal descent.
    His birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds, and he was presented with gifts.
    He was persecuted by a tyrant who ordered the slaughter of thousands of infants who feared that the divine child would supplant his kingdom.
    His father was warned by a heavenly voice to flee the tyrant who sought the death of the child. The child was then saved by friends who fled with them in the night to a distant country. When the tyrant learned that his attempt to kill the child failed, he issued a decree that all the infants in the area be put to death. Writing about Krishna in the eighteenth century, Sir William Jones stated, “In the Sanskrit dictionary, compiled more than two thousand years ago, we have the whole history of the incarnate deity, born of a virgin, and miraculously escaping in infancy from the reigning tyrant of his country.” (Asiatic Researches, Vol. I, p. 273).
    The Bible states that Jesus and family fled to Egypt afterward to escape from King Herod. According to the Christian apocryphal text “the Gospel of the Infancy,” the family traveled to Maturea, Egypt. Krishna was born in Maturea, India, hundreds of years earlier.
    He was baptized in the River Ganges.
    The missions of Krishna and Jesus were the same – the salvation of humanity.
    Krishna worked miracles and wonders such as raising the dead and healing lepers, the deaf and the blind.
    Krishna used parables to teach the people about charity and love.
    Jesus taught his disciples about the possibility of removing a mountain by faith. According to tradition, Krishna raised Mount Goverdhen above his disciples to protect his worshipers from the wrath of Indra.
    “He lived poor and he loved the poor.”
    Krishna washed the feet of the Brahmins and transfigured before his disciples.
    Krishna’s teachings and Jesus’ teachings were very similar. The celebrated French missionary and traveler, Evarist-Regis Hucv, who made a journey of several thousand miles through China and Tibet, stated, “If we addressed a Mogul or Tibetan this question, ‘Who is Krishna?’ the reply was instantly ‘The savior of men.” According to Robert Cheyne, “All that converting the Hindoos to Christianity does for them is to change the object of their worship from Krishna to Christ.” Appleton’s Cyclopedia says this about the teachings of Krishna: “Its correspondence with the New Testament is indeed striking.”
    There is an extra-canonical Hindu tradition which states that Krishna was crucified. According to some traditions, Krishna died on a tree or was crucified between two thieves.
    He descended to hell, rose bodily from the dead, and ascended to heaven which was witnessed by many.
    Krishna is called the “shepherd god” and “lord of lords,” and was considered “the redeemer, firstborn, sin bearer, liberator, universal Word.”
    He is the second person of the trinity, and proclaimed himself the “resurrection” and the “way to the Father.”
    He was considered the “beginning, the middle and the end,” (“alpha and omega”), as well as being omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.
    His disciples bestowed upon him the title “Jezeus,” meaning “pure essence.”
    Krishna is to return again riding a white horse to do battle with the “prince of evil,” who will desolate the Earth.

    “How, if you hear that the man newly dead is, like the man newly born, still living man – one same, existent Spirit – will you weep? The end of birth is death; the end of death is birth: this is ordained!” – Bhagavad Gita (The Song Celestial: 2)
    “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again …
    no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
    Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be
    surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going.
    So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” – Jesus Christ (John 3:3-8)

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  61. Zoe December 1, 2015 at 11:35 PM #

    The Testimony of History and Law

    When an event takes place in history and there are enough people alive who were EYEWITNESSES of it, or had participated in the event, and when the information is published, one is able to VERIFY the VALIDITY of an historical event (circumstantial evidences) William Lyon Phelps, for more than 40 years Yale distinguished professor of English literature, author of some 20 volumes of literary studies, public orator of Yale, says:

    “In the whole story of Jesus Christ, the most important event, is the resurrection. Christian faith depends on this. It is encouraging to know that it is explicitly given by ALL four evangelist, and told also by Paul. The names of those who SAW Him after His triumph over death are recorded; it may be said that the HISTORICAL EVIDENCE for the Resurrection is STRONGER than for any other miracle anywhere narrated; for as Paul said, if Christ is not risen from the dead then is our preaching in vain, and your faith is also vain.” 57/18

    Ambrose Fleming asserts that there is nothing in the Gospels that would cause a man of science to have problems with the miracles contained therein, and concludes with a challenge to INTELLECTUAL HONESTY, asserting that if such a “…study is pursued with what eminent lawyers have called a WILLING MIND, it will engender a deep assurance that the Christian Church is NOT founded on fictions, or nourished on delusions, or, as St. Peter calls them, ‘cunningly devised fables, ‘ but on HISTORICAL and actual events, which, however strange they may be, are indeed, the GREATEST EVENTS which have ever happened in the history of the world.: 60/427.428

    Many impartial students who have approached the RESURRECTION of Christ with a JUDICIAL spirit have been compelled by the WEIGHT of the EVIDENCE to belief in the resurrection as a FACT of HISTORY. An example may be taken from a letter written by Sir Edward Clark, K.C. to Rev. E.L. Macassey:

    “As a lawyer I have made a prolonged study of the EVIDENCES for events of the first Easter Day. To me the EVIDENCE is conclusive, and over and over again in the High Court, I have secured the verdict on evidence not nearly so compelling. Inference follows EVIDENCE, and a truthful witness is always artless and disdains effect. The Gospel EVIDENCE for the RESURRECTION is of this class, as a lawyer I accept UNRESERVEDLY as the testimony of truthful men to FACTS they were able to substantiate.” 63/47 (Ibid, pp.189,190).

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  62. millertheanunnaki December 2, 2015 at 12:20 AM #

    @ Zoe December 1, 2015 at 11:35 PM

    I see you are unable to give a Bible reference to corroborate the date of 6th April 32 AD when Jesus rode on a jackass into Jerusalem. The same obese jackass carrying the three (Horus, Krishna & Yeshua) on one bare back equus africanus asinus called ac the Dompey (which btw, was swallowed by Python Miller on Palm Sunday for lunch).

    A good secular precept for the moral zeitgeist is that you should never kick a man when he is down and out. As such, I will leave alone to be swallowed whole not by the python Nanki the Nuksie Chimpanzee but by any one of those two Australian salt-water crocodiles that escaped from Noah’s Ark before the flood subsided.

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  63. Zoe December 2, 2015 at 12:28 AM #

    Miller, Man, you just WASTING your time, give up, and go and get a Bush- Bath, from Bushie, then you maybe, will have a Demonic visitation from Horus, or Utu, or Rah, or even NAKI-NAKI!!!

    Jesus & Krishna Parallels – A Christian Response

    It should be noted that a few of these claims originate with Louis Jacolliot (1837-1890), a Frenchman who lived in India. His claims have not been supported with any external evidence. If he is to be believed, we are taking only his word for it.

    No actual Buddhists in India appear to have ever professed the beliefs Jacolliot claimed. And even if, hypothetically, there were 19th century Buddhists who believe the things he claimed, it’s likely their beliefs were influenced by Christianity, since there is no record of these beliefs pre-dating Christianity.

    I’ve heard from a couple of followers of the Hindu religion (one named Manali, the other who will remain unnamed) who have provided much-appreciated feedback.

    Born of a Virgin on December 25

    Since, according to legend, Krishna had seven older siblings, it’s unlikely his mother, Devaki, was a virgin (and there’s no tradition saying she was). According toKrisna World, Krishna was born on the “8th day of the dark half of the month of Sravana. This corresponds to July 19th 3228 BC.”

    I’ve seen other sites say he was born in August. Skeptic Acharya S makes the claim that Krishna was born of a virgin in the book “The Christ Conspiracy”, but her footnotes for this merely say that “The orthodox legend of Krishna is that he was born of a married woman, Devaki; but like Maya, Buddha’s mother, she was considered to have had a miraculous conception.” How does having a miraculous conception equate to her being a virgin?

    Manali says “The reason this gets mentioned as a point of similarity, I guess, is not to point that mothers in both cases were a virgin. And its not said anywhere that Devaki the mother of Krishna was a virgin. I think the point of similarity is that like Jesus, Krishna was not Devaki’s child, but son of god, whom she conceived miraculously.”

    I agree that their both being conceived miraculously is a point of similarity, but the Christ-myther claim of Krishna being “born of a virgin on December 25” is still not true on either point.

    His human father was a carpenter

    No, his human father (his only father, for that matter) was a man named Vasuveda. I have found no sources suggesting that he was a carpenter. I even did internet searches on the combination of “Vasuveda” and “Carpenter” in Google, Yahoo and Infoseek, and got no hits except for articles written about Krishna by people whose last names were ‘Carpenter’. In fact, he was most likely a dairy farmer.

    Father was off paying taxes when Krishna was born

    No, his father, Vasuveda, was in prison with his mother when Krishna was born.

    Birth was signaled by a star in the East

    I’ve found no mention of this in any Krishna story.

    Birth was attended by angels and shepherds, was presented with spices

    I found this site, written by a follower of Krishna, which gives the story of the birth of Krishna, and even makes some general comparisons between Krishna and Jesus (that they were both born of a woman, born in this world and were ‘God-on-Earth’), yet it mentions nothing about angels, shepherds, or spices. I haven’t found such comparisons anywhere else, either. Manali points out that Krishna was visited by cowherds after his birth, since his family was in the dairy business.

    A ruling tyrant ordered the slaughtering of thousands of infants upon hearing of Krishna’s birth

    While there is a parallel here, it’s not the one the critics claim. Devaki’s brother, Kansa, was told by a voice from Heaven that Devaki’s 8th child would kill him. So he put Devaki and Vasuveda in a cell, so that he would be able to kill their children as they were born. Krishna is freed from prison through divine intervention, and Devaki tries to track him down. According to Manali, “after Kansa failed to kill Krishna, and came to know that the baby has been born and is living somewhere, he called upon his army to search the entire city of Mathura and its suburbs, to find and kill all the infants born in the same period as Krishna. Thus he ended up killing several infants, and there are several stories of how miraculously Krishna as a baby escaped the killings.” So it was “several” infants, not thousands. However, the earliest version of this story in the Krishna tradition probably dates from the 4th to 6th century A.D., well after the Jesus story had been in circulation. Some date the Krishna story as early as 2nd century A.D., but even this is after the Gospel accounts were written.

    Was anointed with oil on the head by a woman he healed

    I can’t find any such incident in any version of the Krishna story.

    Was depicted as having his foot on the head of a snake

    Again, this cannot be found in any version of the story.

    Worked miracles: raised the dead, healed lepers, healed the deaf, healed the blind

    He worked miracles, but I have yet to find any references to his raising the dead, or healing lepers, the deaf or the blind. Acharya S has no footnotes for this claim, so apparently she can’t find the references, either.

    Taught in parables

    One of the Hindu followers who responded says he knows the Krishna story very well, and he says that Krishna did not use parables.

    Krishna lived poor and loved the poor

    The two Hindu followers who responded to this page disagree slightly on this. The first one said that “Krishna never lived as a poor person. The Yadav Caste (of which Krishna was a member) are dairy farmers, and, since milk is an important commodity, they have always been quite wealthy by Indian standards”.

    The second responder, Manali, says that “Krishna did live poor during parts of his childhood, when he was under the care of foster parents. When Kansa’s reign ended and he was welcomed back into the royal family, he never lived poor again.”
    But when we say that Jesus “lived poor”, we’re talking about his entire life, childhood and adulthood, so this isn’t a comparison.

    Besides that, many people throughout history have lived poor and loved the poor, it’s not hard to believe that Krishna and/or Jesus may have been among them.

    Castigated the clergy and charged them with hypocrisy and ambition.
    Again, not found in any version.
    Was transfigured in front of his disciples
    Again, not found in any version
    Gave his disciples the ability to work miracles
    Ditto.
    Krishna’s path was “strewn with branches”
    Ditto.
    Some traditions held that he was crucified between two thieves

    Critics claim this, but never back it up. The only method of demise that I can find is his being shot in the foot by a hunter’s arrow, and then either died or disappeared. If anyone out there can give me an example of a tradition in which he is crucified, please let me know.

    Acharya S’s footnote on this one makes claims about other MYTHOLOGICAL figures being crucified, but makes no mention of Krishna being crucified.

    The forementioned Jacolliot does make the claim of Krishna being affixed to a tree with arrows after he was killed, but doesn’t mention anything about two thieves, and since Krishna was already dead and no crucifix was involved, this was hardly a crucifixion. And no one has ever been able to back up Jacolliot’s claim, anyway, making it likely fraudulent. And even if not fraudulent, this story postdates Christianity by over 1800 years and was thus certainly influenced by Christianity.

    Was killed around 30 yrs old and the sun darkened at his death

    According to tradition, Krishna was 125 when he died. Only off by 95 years! And there’s nothing about the sun darkening at his death.

    Rose from the dead and ascended to heaven

    The closest parallel comes in some later versions in which Krishna’s body turned into a log-like image which floated around the East coast of India, finally ending up in a temple in the town of Puri. But he neither rose from the dead or ascended to Heaven.

    Was depicted on a cross with nail-holes in his feet.

    Only in post-Christian times.

    Was called: Shepherd of God, Redeemer, Firstborn, Sin-Bearer, Liberator, and Universal Word

    He was called the “Shepherd God” (though not “Shepherd OF God”), only because, unlike Jesus, he actually WAS a shepherd. Jesus was a shepherd only metaphorically. I cannot find any record of the other names.

    Was deemed: Our Lord and Savior and Son of God, who came to earth to die for the salvation of man

    He was never referred to by these titles.

    Was the second person of a trinity

    Sort of. The first Hindu follower who responded to this site states, “That Krishna is an avtar of Vishnu would make him the second god of the Hindu threesome”. However, he also acknowledges that the form of the threesome has changed over the years, and besides that,

    “The Hindu threesome cannot be equated even remotely with the Christian trinity.” The Hindu trinity is three separate beings, not the three-in-one of the Christian trinity.

    Was called: Jezeus/Jeseus by his disciples

    The source for this appears to be the forementioned Jacolliot, and thus postdates Christianity. Besides that, remember that Jesus’ Hebrew name was Yeshua. Jesus is only the English pronunciation. So even if true, this one is essentially meaningless.

    Krishna will return to judge the dead and will do battle with the “Prince of Evil.” The Earth will be desolated.

    This is another claim originating with Jacolliot and cannot be dated to earlier than the 19th century. Nor is it backed up by any evidence besides Jacolliot’s claim.

    Manali pointed me to these two passages in the “Bhagvad Gita”:
    “whenever there is a fall of sustenance; when it goes down, the righteousness falls off, to kill, to destroy these horrible negative forces: to save and sustain the saints, I come in every age in human form.”

    “To deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I Myself appear, millennium after millennium.”

    Manali says that Krishna is born into a new body in order to return (reincarnation), so this does not compare to Jesus, who is said to be returning in the same body He had in the 1st century.

    Links:
    Hare Krishna Home Page
    Encyclopedia Mythica: Krishna
    Indian Mythology
    Investigating The Similarities
    http://www.kingdavid.com

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  64. Zoe December 2, 2015 at 2:32 PM #

    Professor Thomas Arnold, cited by Wilbur Smith, was for 14 years the famous headmaster of Rugby, author of a famous three volume History of Rome, appointed to the chair of Modern History at Oxford, and certainly a man well acquainted with the value of evidence in determining historical facts. This great scholar said:

    “The EVIDENCE for our Lord’s life and death and RESURRECTION maybe, and often has been, shown to be satisfactory; it is good according to the common rules for distinguishing GOOD EVIDENCE from bad. Thousands and tens of thousands of persons have gone through it piece by piece, as carefully as every JUDGE summing up on a most important cause. I have myself done it many times over, not to persuade others but to satisfy myself….and I know of NO OTHER FACT in the history of mankind which IS PROVED by a BETTER and FULLER EVIDENCE of EVERY SORT, to the understanding of a fair inquirer, than the GREAT SIGN which God hath given us that Christ DIED and ROSE again from the dead.” 60/425,426.

    Wilbur Smith writes of a great LEGAL authority of the last century, He refers to John Singleton Copley, better known as Lord Lyndhurst (1772-1863), recognized as one of the greatest legal minds in British history, the Solicitor General of the British government in 1819, Attorney General of Great Britain in 1824, three times High Chancellor of England, and elected in 1846, High Steward of the University of Cambridge, thus holding in one lifetime the highest offices which a judge in Great Britain could ever have conferred upon him. When Chancellor Lyndhurst died, a document was found in his desk, among his private papers, giving and extended account of his own Christian faith, and in this precious, previously unknown record, he wrote: “I KNOW pretty well what EVIDENCE IS; and I tell you, such EVIDENCE for the Resurrection has NEVER broken down yet.” 60/425,584 (EVIDENCE That Demands a Verdict, Historical Evidences For The Christian Faith, Vol 1, p.191) Emphasis added.

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