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Human Rights vs National Security Interests: An Uneasy Tension

by caribbeantradelaw France+Paris+Attacks_FranceIf we destroy human rights and rule of law in the response to terrorism, they have won. Joichi Ito (Japanese-American entrepreneur) In the best of times human rights and national security interests enjoy an uneasy tension.

In the darkest annals of human […]existence as in the aftermath of a terrorist tragedy like that

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127 Comments on “Human Rights vs National Security Interests: An Uneasy Tension”

  1. Bush Tea November 18, 2015 at 8:42 AM #

    Trust Bushie Lawson….
    Barbados will REAL good to you just now….

    …and what cancel what cricket what? …no need for that.
    The only people at these matches nowadays are the lousy players, the empires, and a few commentators….
    The stands are empty…..

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  2. Well Well & Consequences November 18, 2015 at 9:22 AM #

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/refugees-shouldn-turned-writes-syrian-n-article-1.2438386

    This might put things into perspective. I am not in the least bit enamored of Arabs, it has nothing to do with racism, because they are brown people, even if in denial. I have a problem with their culture, religion and attitudes to black people, in saying that, where will Barbados put Syrian refugees, they do not have jobs for their own people. Syrians are a business minded people and veyr ambitious. Barbados has enough business people who are parasites without conscience. I believe the same can be said of the whole Caribbean. Though I understand Cariblaws points, the leaders will have to ask themselves some hard questions.

    The current batch of refugees might only have a few terrorists sneaking in, but what about 20 years from now when their children and grandchildren become young adults and are seething with anger after learning of their history. What about the fact that North America and Europe are afraid of terrorism and are looking to protect themselves only, who will protect the Caribbean, a majority black region, just like unprotected Africa. I love to look ahead.

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  3. lawson November 18, 2015 at 9:35 AM #

    My son was bullied because he has autism?????????? so he has come to America where his son will be on doctors,medicines and aid for the rest of his life what??????? when vets and the poor cant even be looked after by the their govt .

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  4. M. Hutson November 18, 2015 at 1:22 PM #

    From caribbeantradelaw, two quotations:

    “Groups like ISIL prey on young persons who feel alienated from Western societies in which they were born but are never treated like equals. In this regard, it is incumbent on western nations to address some of these issues to help reduce the attractiveness of radicalisation to these youth.”

    “So are we saying that because it is alleged that one of the paris attackers may have pretended to be a refugee we should deny asylum to all Syrian refugees, contrary to the UN Convention re refugees? Isn’t that a retrograde step?”

    Can we glimpse here not just an “uneasy tension” but a flat-out contradiction?

    That’s to say, if Muslim youths in Western societies feel so alienated from those societies that they are easy prey for the psychopathic leaders of a Muslim-fascist nihilist death cult, then surely it is common prudence on the part of Western governments to pursue a more restrictive immigration policy, not a more liberal one.

    Otherwise those Western governments might simply be storing up trouble for the future by admitting even more people who will have a sense of cultural alienation and perpetual grievance, and who thus are easy prey for the psychopathic leaders of a Muslim-fascist nihilist death cult.

    Or is it that the governments of Western nations should reorder their whole societies, solely in order to accommodate the kind of mentality that is inherently susceptible to the siren song of Islamofascism?

    Let’s all be honest about this. Let’s all examine our consciences and our well-meaning hearts … Last week, in the first seconds that you heard the first scraps of news about the first explosions and shootings in Paris, how many of you immediately thought: “Damn, the Baptists are at it again. Or maybe the Methodists. Probably, this time, a particularly ultra-violent wing of the Jehovah’s Witnesses got their hands on some serious ammo.”

    How many of you thought ANYTHING like that?

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  5. M. Hutson November 18, 2015 at 2:33 PM #

    @millerthetwerp

    You asked me a direct question. Sorry for the late reply. Here’s the question:

    “Why do these so-called terrorists attack easy targets? Innocent ordinary people? Why not go after the people who are allegedly responsible for their plight? When will they take out the heads and the rich and famous instead of the innocent men, women and children?”

    Here’s the reply:

    I suspect (this is just a wild guess, a speculative shot in the dark) that they attack easy targets because it’s easy to attack easy targets. Maybe I’m wrong, but it’s my best so-called guess, allegedly.

    As to when they will “take out … the rich and famous”, I’d have to make a so-called admission that I allegedly don’t know.

    Again, sorry about the tardy response but I had some vague recollection that I might have encountered your so-called thoughts before, so I had to consult the archives, allegedly.

    Lo and, indeed, behold, here you are on BU a mere nine months ago, in March 2015, announcing to the so-called world that “Jews first god is Ferengi Gold-Pressed Latinum with their desert Yahweh trailing far behind.”

    Man, millerthetwerp, you really are an equal-opportunity hater, aren’t you. I mean, so-called and allegedly.

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  6. caribbeantradelaw November 18, 2015 at 4:21 PM #

    Firstly, many of you intimate that I am solely speaking from a basis of emotion when from your comments and stereotypes it is clear that you yourselves are doing such, albeit from a different emotion, fear. This is evident from many of your statements which express a general fear of Muslims and of Arabs as terrorists. You see them as “trojan horses”. I see them as humans like all of us.

    Secondly, you assume that because the Syrian refugees are Muslims, ergo they are terrorists. Let me remind you that acts of terrorism are not confined to fundamentalist Muslims alone but to fundamentalists in all religions. The only difference is that when Christians commit acts of terror they are rarely highlighted. So for those of you who call yourselves Christians how would you like if someone stereotyped you based on the actions of the anti-abortionist Christians who bomb abortion clinics? Or the white supremacist who shot up and killed people in a Sikh temple because he was too stupid to realise the difference between a Sikh and Muslim.

    Thirdly, those of you who say you are immigrants I wonder if you realise that if certain right wing governments had their way neither you nor your families would have been allowed to immigrate to your present countries due to stereotypes of immigrants as job takers, criminals, drains on the social system or in the colourful words of one Republican presidential candidate in relation to Mexican immigrants “rapists and drug dealers”. Stereotypes aren’t so fun now are they?

    Fourthly, refugees are heavily screened and vetted. I am not sure how many of you are familiar with the refugee process but refugees undergo much more robust screening than would an ordinary migrant. They have to be registered with the UNCHR and go through a variety of processes before they can be finally admitted to a country for resettling.

    Fifthly, and on a point which really isn’t important to me but I’ll raise it anyway, I find it quite amusing some of the assumptions that I am too young to understand or have no stake in what goes on in western countries. None of you here knows me to be able to make such assumptions. I have lived abroad and also have friends and loved ones in these countries so I have every interest in what happens.

    Sixthly, I have no interest in swaying your opinions. What you think is your business. I am just here to defend my views as an author, which any author, particularly in regards to a topic like this which inflames passions, should be prepared and happy to do. I am happy that the majority of you, even in your robust disagreement with my views have managed to do so in a manner that is civil.

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  7. caribbeantradelaw November 18, 2015 at 5:26 PM #

    I also forgot to mention that the argument that Isis has been able to recruit supporters solely due to religion is flawed. Defectors and other research have shown that many join for monetary reward and because Isis is fighting Assad. Many had no idea what they were getting into and defected due to the killing of fellow Muslims and non Muslims. Also what many of you forget is that Isis victims includes fellow Muslims including the same Syrian refugees you demonize.

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  8. M. Hutson November 18, 2015 at 5:32 PM #

    Caribbeantradelaw

    All of that, agreed. Looking forward to that Little Port au Prince in Bim any day now. Brotherly African love is a wonder to behold. We can just see the BU family greeting all those creole-speaking refugees at the port and helping to settle them into their new Bajan home. Bajans, afterall, are famed globally for their welcoming disposition to immigrants, especially our African bretheren.

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  9. caribbeantradelaw November 18, 2015 at 5:56 PM #

    @m hutson
    For the record I have no problems with Haitians (I have haitian friends by the way) and should we need to take refugees from Haiti I would not be against it. The difference with me is that having lived abroad, being a frequent traveller, doing business with foreigners and and being conversational in several foreign languages I am a lot more open minded and tolerant than many people.

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  10. David November 18, 2015 at 6:00 PM #

    Other WordPress Blogs about Paris terrorist tragedy.

    “Don’t be who ISIS wants you to be”: Bloggers on Paris and Beirut

    by Michelle W.

    Telling stories has power; they connect us, help us work through the raw emotion, and give us a way to make sense of events. After last week’s devastating violence in Paris and Beirut, these nine bloggers shared theirs, helping us do just that. Reading their posts may not be easy — but it is important.

    Cultive le Web, "Attentats à Paris, j’étais rue de Charonne"

    A writer from Cultive le Web was out for an evening with friends Friday night when shooting began on the rue de Charonne. The staccato phrasing of this play-by-play post captures brings readers some tiny measure of the fear, panic, and disbelief. It’s an unvarnished outpouring we wish he had no occasion to write, but are glad he did.

    9:45 p.m. Noise, screams. A fight? A rowdy crowd there at the bar? They must be drunk, like on any Friday night in Paris, right? I come closer. A group of people has formed on the other side of the sidewalk. "Kalashnikov shots." "Casualties." "Dozens of casualties." "Broken glass, everywhere." There’s a gush of details — who to believe? What to make out of this? What are they talking about? A shoot-out? Settling scores like in Marseille? But thinking about it, why not a terrorist attack? I ask, naively. "Obviously it’s a terrorist attack!" answer the patrons who’d fled running, all at once.*

    *Translated from the French by WordPress.com editor Ben Huberman.

    The Seventy Fifth, "Sense and Senselessness"

    Patrick lives in Paris’ 11e arrondissement, a short walk from Le Bataclan. Waking up the morning after Friday’s attacks, he looks for patterns in the violence that might give him hints for staying safe  — but finds none.

    It makes sense, sadly, that an attack may occur at or near a French football match – the President was there, after all. We can avoid large displays of nationalism, sports, culture or otherwise. But must we also avoid all American rock bands? Was it something about the name Eagles of Death Metal? Do we stay inside on Friday the 13th? Never patronise Cambodian restaurants? How long is a piece of string?

    Hummus for Thought, "Beirut, Paris"

    Paris isn’t the only city in mourning; bombings in Beirut last week left over 40 people dead. Lebanese blogger Joey reflects on the lack of global attention on Lebanon, with sense of resignation tempered by the hope that we can do better.

    ‘We’ don’t get a safe button on Facebook. ‘We’ don’t get late night statements from the most powerful men and women alive and millions of online users.

    ‘We’ don’t change policies which will affect the lives of countless innocent refugees.

    This could not be clearer.

    I say this with no resentment whatsoever, just sadness.

    A Separate State of Mind, "From Beirut, This is Paris"

    On A Separate State of Mind, Elie reacts with more anger than resignation — anger at the world for caring more about Paris, but also at his countrymen and women for seeming to do the same.

    We can ask for the world to think Beirut is as important as Paris, or for Facebook to add a “safety check” button for us to use daily, or for people to care about us. But the truth of the matter is, we are a people that doesn’t care about itself. We call it habituation, but it’s really not. We call it the new normal, but if this [is] normality then let it go to hell.

    In the world that doesn’t care about Arab lives, Arabs lead the front lines.

    Everybody’s Talking at Once, "How Refusing to Be United Makes Us Stronger"

    Video game blogger Drew turned to more serious topics after the attacks on Paris, penning a thought-provoking post on whether being "united" against terror is a laudable goal, or a positive idea at all.

    It’s a sobering (and, it must be said, fundamentally French) thought: That the people killed in Paris “had declared war” on terrorism not because they imagined themselves conscripted into a fighting force, and certainly not because they marched in cultural and rhetorical lockstep, but specifically because they weren’t in lockstep. They were living out the messier, more joyful, less “united” way of life that terrorism seeks to undermine…

    We don’t have to be united. We don’t have to agree. We don’t always have to “stand together,” even. That’s precisely what makes us strong, and that’s precisely what makes our way of life worth defending.

    John Scalzi, "Paris"

    Author John Scalzi also veered from his regular bailiwick, science-fiction. His short but impassioned piece exhorts us to avoid giving credence to the Islamic State’s black-and-white worldview by refusing to conflate "Muslim" and "terrorist."

    Don’t do what ISIS wants you to do. Don’t be who ISIS wants you to be, and to be to Muslims. Be smarter than they want you to be. All it takes is for you to imagine the average Muslim to be like you, than to be like ISIS. If you can do that, you make a better world, and a more difficult one for groups like ISIS to exist in.

    Idiot Joy Showland, "How to Politicise a Tragedy"

    Analyses of tragic situations are quickly followed by calls to stop politicizing tragedy — i.e., to stop analyzing at all, and allow people space to grieve. Idiot Joy Showland‘s Sam Kriss rejects that request, explaining why in this cogent piece.

    When it’s deployed honestly, the command to not politicise means to not make someone’s death about something else: it’s not about the issue you’ve always cared about; it’s not about you. To do this is one type of politics. But there’s another. Insisting on the humanity of the victims is also a political act, and as tragedy is spun into civilisational conflict or an excuse to victimise those who are already victims, it’s a very necessary one.

    Natalia Antonova, "In Paris they ask the right questions"

    Natalia’s poem was written well before last week’s events but published this week, a fitting tribute to the city of love.

    In Paris they ask the right questions:

    “Cognac, armagnac, or calvados?”

    And, “Why are your eyes so blue?”

    “Do you know how to get back home?”

    “Is it finally time to kiss you?”

    Pascale Guillou, "Restoring Hope and Innocence"

    Illustrator Pascale, a Frenchwoman living in the Netherlands, reacted with pen and ink. Her lines are simple but heartbreaking, reminding us of something we all want but can’t have — whether we’re in France, Lebanon, or anywhere else.

    pascale_guillou_innocence_2015_11_15

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  11. David November 18, 2015 at 6:16 PM #

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  12. Alvin Cummins November 18, 2015 at 6:31 PM #

    @Well Well,
    RE: Saudi Arabia. It is THEIR law. Why should or must they adhere to Western dictates. And they are also black people.

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  13. M. Hutson November 18, 2015 at 6:42 PM #

    Dave asks:

    “How many read books by local authors?”

    Good question, Dave. When you read “In the Castle of My Skin”, what do you think was Lammings most perceptive insight? You’ve read it, obviously. What do you think was his most perceptive insight?

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  14. Well Well & Consequences November 18, 2015 at 7:32 PM #

    Alvin….go telling the Saudis they are black people and they will behead you….lol

    You keep forgetting something called international human rights Alvin, people have the right to expect better from their governments. Most of us know your DBLP would love to practice human rights abuses and more violations on the vulnerable in Barbados, the only thing stopping you is that you would have your asses hauled off to the Hague to stand trial for human rights abuses, hence the reason you are still so subtle with brutality. Ha!!!

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  15. Alvin Cummins November 18, 2015 at 8:16 PM #

    @Well Well.
    What do you think of Boko Haram, They are Africans and Black, kidnapping torturing and killing Blacks

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  16. millertheanunnaki November 18, 2015 at 8:22 PM #

    @ M. Hutson November 18, 2015 at 2:33 PM
    “Man, millerthetwerp, you really are an equal-opportunity hater, aren’t you. I mean, so-called and allegedly.”

    Equal opportunity hater alright, I am! Yes indeed!
    Hater of liars and hypocrites who hide behind the shield of religion to exploit and kill others.
    You know alirght; like financing the slave trade; RC paedophiles; abuse of women and honour killings in the name of some prophet; beating and killing homosexuals and discriminating against people because of their racial or ethnic background all in the name of their almighty gods.

    As far as I am concerned ISIS falls squarely into that list with their motto: “To embarrass a few and promote our political agenda of evil why not kill the innocent”. Just like the story in the Judeo-Christian book of myths and cultural outrage; why not kill all boy children under 2 years to get at one; a perfect story of mass murder.
    I would like to see you or anyone putting a spin on that one to justify the “alleged” slaughter of the innocent.

    Your friendly neighbourhood hater, miller the twerp.

    Ps: Oh, BTW, Twerp Miller happens to be a Buddhist. Better make that a Taoist.

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  17. Well Well & Consequences November 18, 2015 at 8:30 PM #

    So Alvin…..because these boko haram are black you feel they have some given right to rape, pillage and rampage through Africa like monsters. What I think is that the right cluster bomb has not been invented for them yet, to obliterate the dark forces that consume them.

    What you incessantly show is because the Saudis rule, they own the people, and that they should also be free to rein terror on and abuse their own people, where did you get that god complex Alvin.

    Because black governments are given a mandate by the people on the island, does not mean they are given free rein to abuse their positions. You have been on here acting as though governments when elected automatically assume ownership of the people and should then suppress any and all freedoms as they see fit, which does not fit into their greed and secret keeping. What is up with that Alvin, Bajans ought to be glad that you never pursued a political life, what’s with the massa mentality?

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  18. Alvin Cummins November 18, 2015 at 8:34 PM #

    @Well Well,

    Bull!!

    I have lived and worked among them. Your perceptions are wrong .
    The concept of International Human Rights is not universally and innately applicable or acceptable to everyone. As I said, try telling that to the members of Boko Haram and see where it will get you. And don’t equate Barbadian civilization with any of these people, we don’t come nowhere close. What brutality are you talking about? Where is it?

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  19. millertheanunnaki November 18, 2015 at 8:42 PM #

    @ Alvin Cummins November 18, 2015 at 8:16 PM
    “What do you think of Boko Haram, They are Africans and Black, kidnapping torturing and killing Blacks”.

    For one, they certainly can’t use the alibi of being alienated in the ghettoes of Western cities and being deprived of opportunities to advance to what or wherever so they can become radicalized to wage jihad against the Western pork-loving, homosexual-embracing, gender equality non-believers.
    Neither have Western countries bombed their African villages.

    Maybe they (the Europeans) bought oil and minerals (even people) for next to nothing or for mirrors and trinkets with most of the proceeds from the trade ending up in Western banks in the names of native elite political and otherwise.

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  20. Well Well & Consequences November 18, 2015 at 8:52 PM #

    Alvin……you are never going to get sane people with experience agreeing with you that ignorant men with a god mentality and a diseased superiority complex, once they get political or some other form of brutal power over their people, should then brutalize, rape, kill and blatantly sell out, steal from and keep secrets from the same people who pay their salaries. That is mentally defective thinking.

    Dictators have been dragged out of their countries, the most brutal ones have been executed and assasinated for that type of behavior. Some had to run to other countries seeking exile. What sickness consumes you that you believe other humans should be brutalized and victimized by their leaders, maybe you slept too close to those boko haram animals.

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  21. Alvin Cummins November 18, 2015 at 8:52 PM #

    @Well Well,

    What massa mentality are you talking about? You blamed the reactions of extremists, among the blacks, on the slave trade. Now I draw your attention to Boko Haram, inhabitants of darkest Africa, untouched by the slave trade, and show they are no different, you are talking about rights and mass mentality. I never even hinted that they were right in what they do. And don’t make it personal. I refuse to -as the older people used to say- hold people up in my mind because of the past. Neither will I hold a grudge against anyone because of past indiscretions. Dark forces are found everywhere, among all peoples, and ethnic origins. I think it is time you change your outlook and rein in your hatred and dislikes. Don’t see people of certain ethnic, financial, political or colours as automatically denizens of the dark.

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  22. Alvin Cummins November 18, 2015 at 9:02 PM #

    @Well Well,
    If I believed the creation story, as written in the Bible (Genesis) I would have to direct you to the story of Cain and Abel, the first two offspring of the first two people created and ask you what happened to them. Why did Cain kill Abel? Why did the creator cast his two creations out of the Garden knowing they had nowhere to go. Why did he place the angel Gabriel at the entrance to ensure they did not get (sneak) back; he did not just put him at the entrance, he gave him a flaming sword.
    My approach to life may not attract the approval of sane people; if they don’t wish to agree with me, no big deal.

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  23. Well Well & Consequences November 18, 2015 at 9:03 PM #

    Alvin….maybe you have not lived long enough and you have not been free spirited enough. Which part of Africa you know was not touched by the slave trade, name one country you know.as to likes and dislikes, I tell you upfront how I feel, you don’t like it (pun intended) too bad..lol

    You always seem to think governments are right in everything wrong they do and citizens should accept, grin and bear yet, that is mental defect, a disease called denial, don’t like that….pun intended, too bad. People are not chattel or are not supposed to be, not in this era. You have to learn to accept reality…..Alvin.

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  24. Well Well & Consequences November 18, 2015 at 9:09 PM #

    Yeah, yeah, none of that can buy a cup of coffee. Mankind has always been evil, more so when people were unaware. People’s eyes are open now, there is no turning back.

    Alvin….by the way, you were supposed to get back to me re HPV vaccine you and your government were hot to inject into the veins of young vulnerable children on the island because some white man and a few doctors told yall there was an HPV epidemic, you never got back to me when it was exposed as a scam…what happened?

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  25. millertheanunnaki November 18, 2015 at 9:26 PM #

    @ Alvin Cummins November 18, 2015 at 9:02 PM
    “Why did Cain kill Abel? Why did the creator cast his two creations out of the Garden knowing they had nowhere to go. Why did he place the angel Gabriel at the entrance to ensure they did not get (sneak) back; he did not just put him at the entrance, he gave him a flaming sword.”

    That explains everything that is “evil” in the world today, right Alvin?
    It’s in our genes from Adam & Eve or Flip Wilson’s devil made us do it and god allowed it to happen.

    Adam & Eve disobedience into the underworld of sex and Cain’s parthenogenesis of murder are responsible for the evil acts of mankind through the ages.

    Does that fairy tale of murder also explain the brutal exploitation of the Chinese people by the Japanese during World War 2? What about the reason why one group of chimpanzees would raid, rape, pillage and kill another group of chimps?
    Maybe its all in our genes, all 98% of them!

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  26. Well Well & Consequences November 18, 2015 at 9:44 PM #

    Alvin is a head case…lol

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  27. Dompy November 19, 2015 at 7:32 AM #

    I have an observation that I find quite troubling and it involves the question regarding our enslavement as an African people.

    Now much have been said regarding European genacidal colonization of the African people, but it is important to note the Sir Arthur Lewis pointed out in one of the two books he has written, and of which I have read that prior to the European slavement of the African population, the Arba slave trade was in full force on the African continent, but not to the same extent as the European slave trade.

    And what is interesting about this historical fact, is the fact that most West Indians, whether they know it or not, rarely make any mention of it to the extent that they do with respect to European slavery.

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  28. Bush Tea November 19, 2015 at 7:51 AM #

    Don’t overdo it now Dompey.
    You made a good point about the unexplainable ability of demonic groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda to recruit well educated youths from around the world via the internet.

    …you next good point is not due before Christmas Boss…. tek it easy…🙂

    What is it you want to happen?

    For Brass bowls to write songs about all the various peoples who have pissed on them? Even complete idiots do not go around bragging about how they have been raped and beaten repeatedly …. especially when they are busily doing the SAME THINGS that got them pissed on in the first place….
    …namely, selling off all their assets to get some cash (FOREX), and then borrowing heavily from all and sundry for their BASIC needs.

    Just as INEXPLICABLE as it is to understand why otherwise normal Trinidadians would up and go to Syria to become suicide bombers, so it is to explain how the REAL ORIGINAL people that God created in his own image have become the piss-takers of this world.

    It is ALL about those SPIRITUAL laws that all of wunna play that wunna would like to ignore… but which will DOMINATE events in this world to an extent that will be IMPOSSIBLE to ignore from now on…..

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  29. M. Hutson November 19, 2015 at 6:30 PM #

    Right, millerthetwerp, I see you is wid me!!!!

    Is you looking forward, as I are, to Richard “Dick” Head’s thoughts in de Nation tomorrow?

    “In olden daze … Homos … Joos … CMSE …. Goats …. Milk … Veoma above me …. Feeble 1973-era joke about limp dicks … More 1973 jokes about dicks … Mention sister-in-law, curiously … Europe giving we so much money but asking that we don’t hang the homos …. Or de joos … Er, sister-in-law …. Grandson …. National treasure … Er, that nuff? Now we get the cash, right? Er …. Tony Webster.

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  30. David November 19, 2015 at 6:45 PM #

    Jack you are getting closer to the line.

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  31. M. Hutson November 19, 2015 at 7:22 PM #

    Dave,

    I fear you might be confusing me with someone who gives the slightest shit what you think.

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  32. David November 19, 2015 at 8:33 PM #

    The 23 US governors who have rushed legislation to block/screen Syrian refugees, What about Europeans? Weren’t most of the Paris terrorists Europeans?

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  33. Well Well & Consequences November 19, 2015 at 9:52 PM #

    Born and bred, but their descent would be ME….they would be either 2nd or 3rd generation Europeans, locally grown, except those of Caribbean origin.

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  34. Green Monkey November 20, 2015 at 11:53 AM #

    DAVID ICKE – Manipulation Techniques – Problem Rection Solution

    This “Problem-Reaction-Solution” technique is not just used to create and control wars, it can be applied to any situation where you want to produce a particular outcome. For example, this technique is currently being used to centralize power in the financial world. It can also be used to introduce new laws that restrict our civil liberties.

    So, whenever you see some big news story – whether it be an alleged terrorist attack, a run on a currency, an accidental loss of people’s personal data, an assertion that everyday people are causing “global warming”, or an allegation that some poor country has developed nuclear weapons – the first question you need to ask yourself is this: “Who benefits from me believing this story?”

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  35. Green Monkey November 20, 2015 at 11:55 AM #

    Too many people still living in the matrix and too scared to take the red pill.

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  36. M. Hutson November 20, 2015 at 1:43 PM #

    “The 23 US governors who have rushed legislation to block/screen Syrian refugees, What about Europeans? Weren’t most of the Paris terrorists Europeans?”

    They were all Arabs, and they were all Muslims. “European” is a geographical concept, not an anthropological one, much less a religious one.

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  37. M. Hutson November 20, 2015 at 1:49 PM #

    So, for example, when I heard the first scraps of news from Mali this morning, like millions of others My first thought was “Damn, those African Presbyterians are at it again.”

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  38. Bush Tea November 20, 2015 at 2:07 PM #

    @ Green Monkey
    Icke’s video on ‘What is really going on in Syria” is a real MUST SEE too…

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  39. M. Hutson November 20, 2015 at 4:58 PM #

    You is right, Bushy. Dave Icke be one of BBE’s own guys. Tremendous when he went on national television to announce that he’s the son of god:

    Dave Shayler, too, a former MI5 officer and doubtless one of BBE’s guys, has de troot — even though these days Dave prefers an orange wig and a leather miniskirt:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200089/Call-Delores-says-MI5-whistleblower-David-Shayler.html

    Why are all these people with obvious mental health problems called “Dave”? Are it because they didn’t take the red pill?

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  40. M. Hutson November 20, 2015 at 5:53 PM #

    “Icke’s video on ‘What is really going on in Syria” is a real MUST SEE too…”

    Oh dear sweet lil baby jeebus, the fun we’re going to have with this, we and BBE’s boys. All in time. All in BBE’s and lil baby jeebus’s sweet, sweet time.

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  41. M. Hutson November 20, 2015 at 5:59 PM #

    Please correct we if we is wrong, but isn’t the son of BBE recommending an Icke video the same mofo with the 10-point plan fo we guvnance?

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  42. Green Monkey November 21, 2015 at 12:11 AM #

    American Journalist Murdered By NATO member and Western Ally For Exposing ISIS Ties

    In this video Luke Rudkowski of WeAreChange brings up a very important underreported story of an American Journalist that was murdered for exposing the Turkish government assisting ISIS. This story is a year old and we are making sure no one forgets the name Serena Shim. Obviously this story hits home since Serna was Luke Rudkowski’s age and reported on the same topic of western state’s supporting ISIS

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  43. Green Monkey November 21, 2015 at 1:05 AM #

    42 FALSE-FLAG ATTACKS OFFICIALY ADMITTED TO

    Presidents, Prime Ministers, Congressmen, Generals, Spooks, Soldiers and Police ADMIT to False Flag Terror

    In the following instances, officials in the government which carried out the attack (or seriously proposed an attack) admit to it, either orally, in writing, or through photographs or videos:

    (Here are a few examples /GM)

    (6) The British government admits that – between 1946 and 1948 – it bombed 5 ships carrying Jews attempting to flee the Holocaust to seek safety in Palestine, set up a fake group called “Defenders of Arab Palestine”, and then had the psuedo-group falsely claim responsibility for the bombings (and see this, this and this).

    (7) Israel admits that in 1954, an Israeli terrorist cell operating in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including U.S. diplomatic facilities, then left behind “evidence” implicating the Arabs as the culprits (one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to identify the bombers, and several of the Israelis later confessed) (and see this and this).

    (8) The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950’s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister.

    (11) The former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former head of Italian counterintelligence admit that NATO, with the help of the Pentagon and CIA, carried out terror bombings in Italy and other European countries in the 1950s and blamed the communists, in order to rally people’s support for their governments in Europe in their fight against communism. As one participant in this formerly-secret program stated: “You had to attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security” (and see this) (Italy and other European countries subject to the terror campaign had joined NATO before the bombings occurred). And watch this BBC special. They also allegedly carried out terror attacks in France, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Greece, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, the UK, and other countries.

    (See also the book NATO’s Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe by Swiss historian Daniele Ganser, available on Amazon)

    (15) In 1963, the U.S. Department of Defense wrote a paper promoting attacks on nations within the Organization of American States – such as Trinidad-Tobago or Jamaica – and then falsely blaming them on Cuba.

    More at: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/42falseflags.php

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  44. Green Monkey November 21, 2015 at 6:11 AM #

    Lew Rockwell Interviews former FBI translator and now whistleblower Sibel Edmonds: “ISIS IS Us”

    Her blog is boilingfrogspostDOTcom

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  45. ac November 21, 2015 at 6:37 AM #

    The world has become so friggin upside down that WE the people have given up .It is a FIGHT no normal mind can absorb.
    Beyond the weakening of Mans psychological strength is govts policy and terrorist activity to control

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  46. Bush Tea November 21, 2015 at 6:41 AM #

    Well said AC🙂

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  47. David November 21, 2015 at 7:20 AM #

    Muslims Against ISIS's photo.

    Muslims Against ISIS

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  48. ac November 21, 2015 at 7:37 AM #

    i have come to the conclusion that govts have given birth to all this terrorist activity, these terrorist would never give up until outside influence leave well alone and let these countries fight their own battles on their home battle fields till the last man dies,
    There would be no winners for the Western govt, their people would continue to be innocent by standers of policies of exclusion.
    The terrorist have already won a psychological battle of sort, the question remains. How will western govts fight and win a psychological and physiological WILL of terrorist who are determined to die for their causes
    Until Western govt can answer that question death and mayhem would be a continual fight on their hands left behind on the doorsteps of innocent bystanders WE THE PEOPLE .

    signed Given UP

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  49. Green Monkey November 21, 2015 at 9:12 PM #

    U.S. Congresswoman introduces bill to stop “illegal” war on Assad; says CIA ops must stop

    Last month, US Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard went on CNN and laid bare Washington’s Syria strategy.

    In a remarkably candid interview with Wolf Blitzer, Gabbard calls Washington’s effort to oust Assad “counterproductive” and “illegal” before taking it a step further and accusing the CIA of arming the very same terrorists who The White House insists are “sworn enemies.”

    In short, Gabbard all but tells the American public that the government is lying to them and may end up inadvertently starting “World War III.”

    Well, in the wake of the attacks, Gabbard has apparently had just about enough of Washington vacillating in the fight against terror just so the US can ensure that ISIS continues to destabilize Assad and now, with bi-partisan support, the brazen Hawaii Democrat has introduced legislation to end the “illegal war” to overthrow Assad.

    Gabbard, who fought in Iraq – twice – has partnered with Republican Adam Scott on the bill.

    SNIP

    Perhaps if the clueless masses won’t listen to “lunatic” fringe blogs or Sergei Lavrov, they’ll listen to a US Congresswoman who served two tours of duty in Iraq and who is now telling Americans that The White House, The Pentagon, and most especially the CIA are together engaged in an “illegal” effort to overthrow the government of a sovereign country and in the process are arming the very same extremists that are attacking civilians in places like Paris.

    Good luck Tulsi, and thanks for proving that there’s at least one person inside that Beltway that isn’t either dishonest or naive.

    https://www.intellihub.com/u-s-congresswoman-introduces-bill-to-stop-illegal-war-on-assad-says-cia-ops-must-stop/

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  50. Green Monkey November 21, 2015 at 9:28 PM #

    The One Thing You Need to Know About ISIS

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  51. M. Hutson November 22, 2015 at 9:54 PM #

    “the question remains. How will western govts fight and win a psychological and physiological WILL of terrorist who are determined to die for their causes.”

    Nuke the motherfuchers. Is this hard to understand? Worked for the fascist Japs, who immediately stopped being fascists and started building your car and your DVD when the grown-ups showed them what anger really is.

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  52. millertheanunnaki November 23, 2015 at 6:40 PM #

    The Chinese have now joined the fight against ISIS or IS.
    We wonder what the “caribbeantradelaw” grouping and the other IS apologists have to say about that.

    How would they go about rationalizing’ the senseless killing of Chinese nationals?
    Because they, the Chinese, are not able to recite passages from the Koran and eat pork or because of their materialistic greed similar to the Western societies?

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