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Vote Buying and Independent Monitors

Submitted by Hamiliton Hill

vote_buyingYesterday October 21st 2015 the Brass Tacks program on VOB generated quite an interesting debate as to whether or not election monitoring was necessary here in Barbados. […]The question posed and answered with varying degrees of skepticism was this.

Would the imposition of independent monitors curb the scourge of openly buying and selling ballots?

While Marsha Hinds-Layne offered a rather sober contribution, methinks that the pulse of the people is best tested here on BU. Anxiously I await the thoughts of Piece, of Bushie, of Artax, Gabriel, Well Well, Simple Simon, Prodigal and the rest of the family.

DO we continue to honour dishonesty?

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96 Comments on “Vote Buying and Independent Monitors”

  1. Dompey October 23, 2015 at 3:26 PM #

    Piece

    In what way would a third-party address the moral decadence of the ever declining Barbadian society? I am all for a third-party, but what good is it if the membership of that party are driven by the grossest of self-interest over the collective-interest of the majority? Come on now Piece, you’re thinking about this issue superficially and not fundamentally, because if we have a society that is driven by greed and corruption, one would think that the citizenry of such a society would be conditioned by such attitude?

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  2. Dompey October 23, 2015 at 3:39 PM #

    Piece

    When we are searching for the people to represent our interest in the epicenter of power, we must choose such persons on the basis of their proven and a tested public record. We must see to it that these people meet moral, intellectual and experiential criteria, before we even consider them to represent our interest in the epicenter of power.

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  3. ac October 23, 2015 at 5:52 PM #

    Searching for good people in barbados is akin to looking for a needle in a haystack well exemplified today when a well known and articulate blogger made not qualms about calling another blogger a thief just because a comment of disagreement was made
    In my mind the insult triggered a nauseating revolting feeling of disgust and cast my minds eye as to far and wide the evilness that lurks in the heart of mankind can be magnified from a simple disagreement,
    So then i supposed it leaves us like stuck wheels spinning effortlessly in the mud,

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  4. Well Well & Consequences October 23, 2015 at 7:01 PM #

    AC…..stop trying to distract from the real issues, the two gentlemen, Art and Walter settled their differences as they should, and as you clearly saw, like grown men.

    The issues remain the same, so deal withthem.

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  5. ac October 23, 2015 at 7:38 PM #

    Oh please WW& c get out of here who are you to talkor even opin on brawls only of recent you started lightning all kinds of fires across the landscape of barrbados with crazy allegations about people , go wipe yuh mout hypocrite

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  6. Well Well & Consequences October 23, 2015 at 8:08 PM #

    AC….the fires need to be lit, unlike the useless shit you are trying to create, my fires are positive, productive and true with a sense of purpose.

    If you think I have started lighting fires yet, just you wait. You betterbring a lot ofwater.

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  7. Donna October 24, 2015 at 8:17 AM #

    Unfortunately for me, I am sure, I have to agree with AC here that some unnecessary ugliness raised its head in the middle of a hot debate between two men who have impressed me with their submissions to BU. This was a serious accusation not just some rum shop cussing. If Arta had raised his concerns before in the many exchanges here on BU it would not have come across as the accusation that it ended up being. However they seem to be satisfied that it has been settled. Walter has given a believable explanation. Arta seems to have accepted such and now we can all let it drop.

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  8. pieceuhderockyeahright October 25, 2015 at 6:38 AM #

    The following recent article from no less a place like Canada might shed some light on the fact that this is not only a concern in this backwoods cvntry Barbados but that there are mechanisms available for our country’s use.

    “An international observer mission has set down in Ottawa to monitor and report on the federal election — including whether controversial changes to Canada’s election law help or hurt the democratic process.

    The six-person mission, deployed by the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), is the first to monitor a Canadian election in nearly a decade. It was prompted by widespread concern inside Canada over recent changes introduced by the Conservative government’s controversial Fair Elections Act.”

    Certainly if someone from ovah and away were to record and there afterwards make evidence of these practices available for appropriate review this might be of possible use but then again…

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  9. ac October 25, 2015 at 6:56 AM #

    And if Barbados apply such a mechanism to monitor elections have any one given thought that those mechanisms when employed are costly
    At what price would thegovt /taxpayers seized the opportunity and be willing to foot the bill to monitor elections to stamp out vote buying

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  10. Well Well & Consequences October 25, 2015 at 7:33 AM #

    How much did Thompson’s funeral cost the bajan voter/taxpayer AC, now tell me if the same voter/taxpayer does not have the right to have their funds spent on mechanisms to prevent vote buying/selling and at any cost, since to this day, they do not know what it cost them to bury Thompson.

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  11. ac October 25, 2015 at 7:56 AM #

    Have you yardfowls given thought that the 3.3 million might have been used to bury him
    Now there you have it fool !,also if you doubt me check his dry bones lying in the St. John cementary for the evidence

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  12. Artaxerxes October 25, 2015 at 8:04 AM #

    ac October 23, 2015 at 5:52 PM #

    “In my mind the insult triggered a nauseating revolting feeling of disgust and cast my minds eye as to far and wide the evilness that lurks in the heart of mankind……..”

    Oh please, AC, stop being “melodramatically hypocritical.”

    One or two contributors agreed with your initial responses, so you decided to “ride your high” and continue “trying to rub salt in a wound,” forgetting that your “fruits are hanging extremely low.”

    A similar “nauseating revolting feeling of disgust and cast my eyes as to far and wide the evilness that lurks in the heart of mankind” was how (and many BU’s contributors) felt when the DLP’s “alter ego, “Douglas,” was able to get information from former Transport Board employee Lisa Marshall’s PERSONAL FILE, and post it to BU in an attempt to besmear Lisa’s character, simply because, 7 months after being retrenched and not receiving her severance payment, she used VOB 92.9’s “Brass Tacks” program to ask government for this payment that was rightfully hers.

    Rather than think Lisa’s “character is sacrosanct and should be guarded and protected against persons who seek ulterior motives to destroy,” you jumped on the “band wagon” and had no “qualms about calling Lisa a THIEF”, in the absence of any evidence to suggest she actually stole money, and only because it served the purpose of defending the DLP.

    “ac September 1, 2014 at 2:03 PM #: a thief demanding her fair share,,,,enough to make dog stomach sick,,but the BLP yardfowls seem to be O,k, with that not a picking teet about this criminality,,,,”

    Recently, BU posted a number of articles that exposed CAHILL for the scam it is. E-mails and various other documents were also presented as proof that certain members of this administration were involved in this fraud. Each member of the AC consortium questioned the authenticity of those documents and expressed disgust that this information was LEAKED into the public domain.

    However, not one member of the legion of demons had any problem with information from Lisa’s PERSONAL FILE being LEAKED on BU.

    “ac August 31, 2014 at 8:44 AM #: are u blp yardfowls really angry that the files where exposed, if so ,this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black, cause the blp operatives have never by pass an opportunity to release sensitive govt documents in the public domain when the opportunity arise,,,,”

    Perhaps we can express similar sentiments as it relates to the CAHILL correspondence, because it is definitely “a case of the pot calling the kettle black.”

    Chris Sinckler made no “qualms about calling” BIPA’s president, June Fowler, as “being as ignorant as a bald pooch cat,” “just because a comment of disagreement was made.” And you were on BU supporting Sinckler’s comments.

    “Searching for good people in Barbados is akin to looking for a needle in a haystack,” is a true statement, especially when the consortium defended Richard Byer for charging the Caves of Barbados $766,855.24 as legal fees to give an opinion on a loan. These demons also defended the positions taken by Lowe and Kellman for not reprimanding Byer for his actions and the subsequent termination of the Cave’s CEO, Joann Grant.

    You saw this incident as an opportunity to get back at me because I always expose your ignorance and weaknesses…… and have you failed. Leave Walter and I to deal with our problems, while you check yourself for all the “hypocritical double standards” you exhibit on BU.

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  13. Artaxerxes October 25, 2015 at 8:08 AM #

    @ Walter

    Thank you and I also encourage you to continue your good work on BU as well.

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  14. ac October 25, 2015 at 8:21 AM #

    Artexeres why take my comments personnel unless you know what I said is the truth
    I believe after four days of banter you would have”let the despicable act of demeaning Walter character “go” since he forgiven you
    But no in your typical demeaning and selfloathing character you brings the subject up again
    But it is easy to understand since you had hoard the occurrence for twenty years and seized an opportune moment of digust to publicly huminalate Walt ! Hypocrite and a two faced one to boot

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  15. Bush Tea October 25, 2015 at 8:50 AM #

    @ AC
    One cannot ‘demean’ the character of a good man….That is an oxymoron.

    Good men can easily handle all kinds of vile accusations …and often do so with grace and charm.
    Actually, it is how you can REALLY tell a ‘good’ man.

    See how Walter was able to explain the situation in a way that actually ENHANCES his already good reputation…?
    See how Artax was able to explain his motivation for raising the matter…?
    See how they BOTH have gone UP in the estimation al all wise bloggers …. (don’t check yourself..🙂 …Bushie said ‘wise’ )

    Remember when Caswell was accused of cheating the Government out of a car…?
    Recall his calm and rational explanation…?

    Those are GOOD men…. the kind of men who should be leaders…
    Now compare and contrast with some other ‘larmers’ in the BU rumshop…. such as those know for making girls cry with a kiss…
    …compare with your fumbler, accused of protecting a non-leper-thief of biblical proportions…
    …compare with your froon who said he ‘knew nothing’ of CAHILL … now we have that letter…

    While your DLP jokers DEMEAN themselves, and all Barbados, daily with their vile and crooked ways, try as you may, you CANNOT demean the few good men we have found who are swimming against the tide in Barbados.

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  16. Artaxerxes October 25, 2015 at 9:02 AM #

    I saw your comments this morning and responded accordingly.

    Unlike you, I have a LIFE other than being on BU, since you can find the time to be logged onto to this site 7 days a week, 24 hours per day, commenting EVERY issue, even on those subjects of which you DO NOT have the requisite knowledge or training.

    But, AC, “why take my comments personnel unless you know what I said is the TRUTH?

    You have proven beyond any reasonable doubt that you are not only ignorant, but the BIGGEST HYPOCRITE on BU.

    But I guess you are an expert on defining a “typical demeaning and selfloathing character” since you have constantly exhibited this characteristic on BU, by doing such to EVERY contributor to BU (well… with the exception of your fellow DLP trolls).

    Ask Lisa Marshall. I just hope you “have let the despicable act of demeaning her character “go”..” as well.

    Imagine, you attempting admonish me. Now, does that not make you “Hypocrite and a two faced one to boot?”

    I’ll bet anything you will waste no time in responding to this, but take a good look in the mirror before you do.

    You can carry on in your usual childish banter.

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  17. ac October 25, 2015 at 9:42 AM #

    oh wise owl bush shit thanks for your intervention

    One.s character is a representation of one self demonstrated through words and deeds (action
    However if what you say is true that a person character when dragged through the mud cannot be stained or blemish
    How is it that Those whose character has been assassinated publicly and who have provided sufficient proof to defend, that the humiliation brought( about) has caused emotional pain and at times scorn with the inability to erase or eliminate the souring of the peoples mind.
    BTW the example of Caswell one can easily say is only tempered but not necessarily forgotten all because of his ability to cast shadows on other peoples failures but not because public perception has changed about the allegations towards him
    Therfore one must be cautiuos in the attempt to ignore the damages brought about and not to fooled into a false sense of security that when nasty allegations are hurled towards a individual that the long term damage is erased by a simple explanation
    You can look right across this landscape and find examples of those who were accused falsely and even though vindicated the blemish and stains remain permanently in their lives
    Artexeres should have known better to use such vile attack on Walter especially being an advocate for Lisa Marshall whom he claims was wrongfully and woefully vilified in the public domain for speaiking her mind.

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  18. Artaxerxes October 25, 2015 at 10:32 AM #

    Hmmmmm

    Brilliant piece of writing. Perhaps you should deliver such a speech at the DLP’s Friday lunch time lectures or the DLP’s annual conferences.

    And you could give copies to Ronald Jones, Donville Inniss, Denis Kellman, Denis Lowe and especially Fruendel Stuart, so they could refer to it before using their usual pejorative comments to describe Barbadians.

    Akani McDowell, Toni Moore and Hilary Beckles are just among the few who felt the wrath of Stuart’s tongue.

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  19. Bush Tea October 25, 2015 at 11:17 AM #

    @ Artax
    Boss…
    Your main weakness resides in your wont to engage the idiot….
    Remember…
    “(s)he who knows not, and knows not that they know not….
    AVOID them…”
    …unless of course, like Bushie, you have a large whacker, and is fully equipped with the appropriate PPE to deal with flying shiite and body parts of snails, worms and other vermin…

    Your ‘challenge’ of Walter was absolutely appropriate AND called for… If you were around BU for longer you would know that this technique has long been patented by Bushie as a methodology in assessing the true character of a blogger.
    The response speaks VOLUMES about the kind of person with whom you are dealing.

    Those of low quality are easily intimidated and respond with their true character – foolishly lashing back as they lay their soul bare…

    Those of true worth appreciate that they are NOT perfect, and may indeed need to address some personal weaknesses…..and do! …and are therefore THANKFUL for such direct and honest (even if not tactful) interaction.

    Those that are ‘special’ take the opportunity to provide THEIR perspective to your accusation, giving them a chance to explain away misconceptions that could otherwise have persisted in many of their ‘on-the-fence’ supporters.

    …and those like Peter Wickham, ‘Dickshunary’ and Jack(ass) Boreman just run away …when it becomes clear that they are WAY out of their class….

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  20. Well Well & Consequences October 25, 2015 at 11:56 AM #

    AC…….you LIE, it’s in the public record, public funds were used to bury Thompson, so if the $3.3 million thiefing money belonging to clico policyholders was used for his burial, who pocketed the taxpayers money that was said was spent.

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  21. ac October 25, 2015 at 3:32 PM #

    listen bro (art) when soldiers are on the battle field shots would be fired ,some unintentionally (friendly fire) and some intentionally,
    Those names you mentioned are all fighting on the same battle field with the same purpose in mind what is best for barbados
    Don’t get carried away by the noise of friendly fire overheard in the back ground,
    All those soldiers are fully equipped ready able to take whatever shots come there way
    People of your iik are drag into action from the sidelines best known as “the actors in the theater of entertainment” and that is as far as your activity would go.,, example bush shite and his Brass bowl Comedy SHOW HA! HA!

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