David Comissiong

Putting David Cameron in His Place!

Submitted by David Comissiong, Clement Payne Movement
David Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom

David Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom

The members of the Caribbean Pan-African Network (CPAN) – a Pan- Caribbean organization with Chapters and members in some seventeen Caribbean territories– would like to inform United Kingdom Prime Minister

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David Cameron that we are not interested in his 300 Million pound so-called Aid package!

As far as we are aware, the Caribbean people have not asked Mr Cameron or his U K Government for Aid or for any form of charity! Indeed, proud and right-thinking Caribbean people are not interested in receiving Aid from the likes of Mr Cameron and his U K Government!

What we are interested in, and what we have asked for and demanded, is REPARATIONS!

All we want from Mr Cameron and his U K government is what we are entitled to as a matter of international law and morality, and that is Reparations– in the form of capital payments and developmental projects– to compensate for the tremendous damage inflicted on the sons and daughters of Africa ( across multiple generations) as a result of the centuries-long CRIME of European-orchestrated slavery, slave trade and associated acts of genocide and crimes against humanity.

Our organisation also wishes to inform Mr Cameron that he does not possess the “locus standi” nor the moral authority to tell us that we must “move on” from the deep wounds of slavery. Indeed, how does one “move on” from a deep wound that has not been repaired or healed?

Mr Cameron is the descendant of a criminal who, in the early 19th century, participated in the enslavement and criminal exploitation of the black people of the Caribbean , and who, after appropriating the material benefits of the unpaid labour that he brutally squeezed out of our black ancestors, went on to pocket the present day equivalent of 4.5 million pounds in so-called compensation for the loss of what he considered to be his human property. How – against the back ground of this history – does Mr Cameron arrogate to himself the right to lecture us about how we must respond to or deal with our pain and injury?

Can it be that Prime Minister Cameron’s whole attitude towards us is one steeped in condescension and contempt?

Indeed, what else could it be than contempt when the Governments and people of the Caribbean ask for the repair and healing of grievous wounds, and Mr Cameron responds by offering to build a prison in Jamaica to incarcerate black Jamaicans who he no longer wishes to accommodate in the UK?

Someone- some proud and clear-sighted citizen of the Caribbean- needs to tell Mr Cameron where he can take his prison and shove it!

We reiterate that the Caribbean people are not interested in either the physical prison that Mr Cameron is proposing to build in Jamaica or in the other metaphorical and psychological prisons that he proposes to inflict on the dignity and spirit of our people with his rejection of Reparations and his substitute so-called Aid package.

You see, we — the people of the Caribbean –are gradually coming to an understanding that the first and most basic principle of the Reparations Movement is that the very demand for Reparations constitutes– in itself– an indispensable validation by us of our own precious humanity!

We have come to perceive that if we fail to demand that the present day representatives and beneficiaries of those persons, institutions and nations that committed the most horrible crimes imaginable against our ancestors be held accountable and made to pay restitution, we would be implicitly sending a message to ourselves and to the world at large that we do not consider our ancestors (or ourselves) to be sacred beings imbued with inalienable rights and deserving of respect and justice.

And so, the mere act of demanding Reparations is important and is a critical component of the process that we must engage in as individuals and as a collective, of repairing ourselves!

Mr Cameron and all those who think like him should therefore rest assured that our Reparations demand will not go away. It will not go away– it cannot go away– because it a demand that is founded in law and morality!

At the end of the day, it does not matter what Mr Cameron or any other Prime Minister of Britain thinks about Reparations. All that is important is that, as a matter of law and morality, Reparations are due to the black or African descended people and nations of the world and must ultimately be paid!

Mr Cameron’s British government has already embarrassed and humiliated itself on this issue of Reparations. In the year 2001, the U K government attended the United Nations World Conference Against Racism (WCAR) and displayed their moral bankruptcy for the whole world to see, when they publicly declared that black or African people could not be entitled to Reparations because back in the 19th and 18th centuries it was “legal” to kidnap, enslave and brutalize black or African people!

So, if Mr Cameron and other representatives of the UK government wish to continue with this morally bankrupt charade of maintaining that 19th and 18th century black or African people were not really human-beings, but were soul-less chattels that could be lawfully kidnaped, raped, enslaved and worked to death, let them continue doing so. Indeed, let the foolish Emperor continue displaying his nakedness!

We– on the other hand– must know what WE need to do! By now it should have become clear to Sir Hilary Beckles, Prime Minister Ralph Gonsalves, Prime Minister Freundel Stuart, and all the other political leaders of the Caribbean that– contrary to their hitherto expressed expectations– it may well turn out that the Reparations issue will not be resolved in a non-confrontational, mutually respectful manner.

Our political leaders may well have to consider the very real possibility that people like David Cameron and the Government that he represents may have to be confronted and publicly embarrassed!

What I do know for sure is that we in CPAN are already convinced that the Caribbean’s campaign for Reparations will have to be designed– on the one hand– to bring on board with us all of our natural allies in Africa and the Diaspora, Latin America, and Asia and to enlist the tremendous weight of world public opinion on our side, and– on the other hand– to isolate and publicly hold up to international embarrassment and ridicule all those who perversely and unreasonably seek to deny and resist the manifest justice and righteousness of our claim to Reparations.

We therefore declare for all and sundry to hear :– let the campaign now begin in earnest, for , in the words of Barbados’ premier calypsonian– the Mighty Gabby: “Rise up you African children! Victory is certain! Victory is more than certain!”

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67 Comments on “Putting David Cameron in His Place!”

  1. Violet C Beckles October 3, 2015 at 2:11 PM #

    Stop asking people for things, Know what is yours and keep or take back , As long as you still asking Ex-slave Masters Heirs for money and asking for permission you are then still a slaves and in slavery.
    Stop them All from coming to the island with their money , with banks and loans and pain,

    Nigger white ministers of the DBLP selling out Barbados like a slave port, We dont need them , We need food and clean water, Some may say we need internet and computers,.. The CC members can feed and take care of self , Like before they came with their Bible and Columbus,

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  2. chad99999 October 3, 2015 at 2:25 PM #

    The whole ugly reparations business demeans all those who get involved in it. The British people for the most part consider blacks who seek compensation for crimes they did not suffer from directly to be sleazy con artists looking for handouts. The black people who press these claims have no way to enforce them and resort to noisy complaints and empty threats.
    It is not easy to come up with a practical reparations program in any case. Many Brits claim their ancestors had nothing to do with slavery. Others say that each year the UK allows millions of pounds in remittances to the Caribbean, and that is the reparations program. For me, the most important question for those who express contempt for Mr. Cameron is Why not cut the chord?

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  3. SuckaBubby October 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM #

    “.. and that is Reparations– in the form of capital payments and developmental projects… ”

    I have never heard or seen an actual program or conceptual framework as how to these reparations are to be used.

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  4. David October 3, 2015 at 4:31 PM #

    Professor Hilary Beckles and his Commission must have a framework mapped out by now – is it in the public domain?

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  5. Shaft October 3, 2015 at 5:09 PM #

    Hilary Beckles like all the other receivers of Knighthoods, are playing lip service to the debate on reparation…! It’s not about our history and what happened to our ancestors in years gone by… It’s about our children and their future… It’s time we start to rapidly free our minds of mental slavery and order to see clearly when we plot the future of generations to come… It’s time we put away our begging bowls and stand firmly on our own two feet… We must be an example to future generations and not be viewed as beggars by them… The fact that the UK PM said NO, is, in my view, a blessing is disguise…! Our ancestors are working on our behalf, all they want us to do is to take our stance again…!

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  6. kiki October 3, 2015 at 5:23 PM #

    The Darkest Night On A Wet Looking Road

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  7. Wily Coyote October 3, 2015 at 5:49 PM #

    Go ask your Black African brothers who sold you to the White Slave Traders for the reparations, better still move back to Africa.

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  8. Dompey October 3, 2015 at 5:58 PM #

    shaft

    Yes I do agree with you that it is about our posterity, but it is also about our ancestors in much the same light as a family would make sure that his murdered love one gets the justice he or she rightfully deserved.

    And I take issue with you for calling those us baggers, who are seeking financial recourse for the historical injustices committed against our ancestors, for how can you beg for something that is rightfully yours?

    My friend, it is important that you take note of history record because it doesn’t appear as though you’r cognizant of the fact that the Japanese Americans have already gotten they reparation for the historical injustices committed against them during World War Two? Which in my estimation, is all the more reason we should be fighting to get our own.

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  9. Dompey October 3, 2015 at 6:14 PM #

    Wily Coyote

    Unfortunately, that is the same argument many white Americans employs here to justify four-hundred years of the enslavement of the black man. Coyote, it is one of the poorest justifications to employ for the economic and genocidal colonialization of the African people.

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  10. Dompey October 3, 2015 at 6:37 PM #

    Wily Coyote

    Thu Feb 18, 1999

    The Justice Department closed the books on a $ 1.6 billion reparations program for ethnic Japanese interned in American camps during World War Two; and will settle with 181 ethnic Japanese from Latin America who sufferd similar treatment.

    Coyote, where is the black man’s reparation has he suffered an incomparable fate to that of the Japanese American? I am quite sure many of these Japanese internees have long gone to they final resting places?

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  11. Donna October 3, 2015 at 7:08 PM #

    Reparations though rightly ours will never be paid. We must stop demeaning ourselves by asking for them. Let us keep reminding them of their debt without asking them for any repayment. We should focus instead on uniting and finding the way forward for our people. We could do it if we worked with each other instead of against as is now the case. Before our politicians try to take the speck out of the British prime minister’s eye they need to take care of the log in theirs. He is not one of us and will look after his own people’s interests. Our politicians betray us and look after only their own narrow interests. Their betrayal is partly the reason why we have fallen into this state. It does more damage to the psyche of our people than any white man exploitation could ever do. As the saying goes- “When yuh own dog bite yuh, yuh well bitten”.

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  12. Dompey October 3, 2015 at 7:54 PM #

    Donna

    How does reminding the likes of David Cameron of their debt without asking them for repayment heals the emotional and psychological damaged, the effects of slavery has brought to bear upon the People of African descent?

    Donna, the perpetual reminder of our enslavement does more harm the good to the collective psyche of the people of African descent because those whom we intend to remind could give two F because if their did, reparation would have been right on the way.

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  13. Dompey October 3, 2015 at 8:17 PM #

    And I have heard little said of the Queen of England who sits pretty in her palace made of the sweat, blood and tears of African labour. And it was reported on CNN ( and God is my witness) a couple of days after Queen’s mother had died that she had held a snobbish discontent for black people.

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  14. Wily Coyote October 3, 2015 at 8:34 PM #

    It’s time that all these Africans asking for reparations to wake up and realize they have been free from slavery for 150 years, time to get on with your life and make something of it and try to impress the old colonial masters. Continuing to ask for handouts and looking for reparations are merely stating the obvious that you cannot make it on your own. Take a good look at your African brothers that were not traded as commodities, are they any better off under any one of the numerous African Black dictators.

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  15. millertheanunnaki October 3, 2015 at 8:59 PM #

    “Mr Cameron is the descendant of a criminal who, in the early 19th century, participated in the enslavement and criminal exploitation of the black people of the Caribbean , and who, after appropriating the material benefits of the unpaid labour that he brutally squeezed out of our black ancestors, went on to pocket the present day equivalent of 4.5 million pounds in so-called compensation for the loss of what he considered to be his human property. How – against the back ground of this history – does Mr Cameron arrogate to himself the right to lecture us about how we must respond to or deal with our pain and injury?”

    Why are you CPAN targeting P M Cameron and the UK? What about the Spanish, Portuguese and French who play just (if not a more) as an active role in the exploitation of West Africans?

    Shouldn’t home drums beat first in this instance? Why not first seek reparations from the modern beneficiaries of wealth accumulated over the years by the local and regional planter class whose estates were built by slave labour?
    Why aren’t you demanding the compulsory acquisition of all lands and investments owned and controlled by the offspring of those white and Jewish ‘demons’?

    Firstly, demand of your black leaders to do just that and then turn on your ex-colonial masters for reparations in the form of developmental projects (absolutely no cash!) financially equivalent to what was paid to the former slave owners as compensation for loss of property.
    What about paying the tuition fees and meeting the concomitant economic costs each year for at least 50 students of African descent (Afro-Caribbean only) pursuing studies at the UWI primarily in areas that would contribute to the social and economic development of the Caribbean?

    But you better hurry. The next generation of economic wealth owners and political decision makers (especially in the UK) will certainly not be white or descended from former exploiters and beneficiaries of black slave labour in the Caribbean.

    Why should the modern-day white man offer reparations to modern blacks any way? Haven’t they (the blacks) been ‘Christianised’ and given Sweet Jesus as their just deserts? Haven’t they been indoctrinated enough to adhere to the golden rule of ‘forgiving your enemies seventy times seven’?
    Why can’t they just let bygones be bygones and accept their Jehovah-given lot as the descendants of Ham? (Tongue-in-cheek, that one is, for the likes of Zoe and the long-lost Lemuel!)

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  16. Crusoe October 3, 2015 at 9:08 PM #

    I am very confused. The west has claimed that ISIS is a terror organization.

    Now that Russia is bombing ISIS strongholds, which, for some reason, the West could not, and is being effective in doing so, the West is criticizing Russia.

    Huh?

    What gives? Who is behind ISIS?

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  17. millertheanunnaki October 3, 2015 at 9:26 PM #

    @ Crusoe October 3, 2015 at 9:08 PM
    “What gives? Who is behind ISIS?”

    The same people behind the Saudis. The same people behind a ‘resurging’ Taliban.
    Have you ever stopped to ask who is providing this ISIS ‘army’ with all the modern weaponry, ammunition, military materiel, communications equipment and vital supplies like food and drinkable water? If it isn’t the West, it must be the Chinese or even the Russians. Just to make money is the name of the game.
    BTW, what has become of Al Qaeda? Replaced by a rising pop star aka media celebrity called ISIS?

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  18. Donna October 3, 2015 at 9:55 PM #

    Dompey,

    Missed the point by a mile, as usual!

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  19. David October 3, 2015 at 11:48 PM #
    reparations

    Click on image

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  20. kiki October 4, 2015 at 12:16 AM #

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  21. balance October 4, 2015 at 2:37 AM #

    “Mr Cameron is the descendant of a criminal who, in the early 19th century, participated in the enslavement and criminal exploitation of the black people of the Caribbean ”

    This is a serious debate and in the interest of clarity ought to get our facts straight. As far as I am aware black people were not indigenous to the Caribbean certainly not Barbados when the English were recorded as having landed here in 1627. It is also reported that the Portuguese visited in 1536 but there is no record that black people were here yet either. The record indicates that long after the English settled our black ancestors were forcibly brought here from Africa to provide slave labour for the plantations owned by white people.

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  22. kiki October 4, 2015 at 6:38 AM #

    Blacks were brought from Caribbean to England to do Jobs that English did not want to do such as work for London Underground, Street Cleaning etc.

    Enoch Powell instigated the program but later condemned immigration in a Rivers for Blood Speech at 1968 Tory Conference.

    Tories also supported Apartheid in South Africa up to its end

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  23. ac October 4, 2015 at 7:09 AM #

    Question to David Cameron:::;;Why is it so often that when people does a WRONG they always “see it” as a RIGHT to defend the wrong ?

    Mr, Cameron not only was he WRONG in his self righteous exaltation to dismiss the calls for a WRONG to be corrected , He also single handly used what can be described as an abusive act against the laws of fairness and justice to infer that blacks are undeserving of seeking a correction to an inhumane act of injustice committed against their fore parents at the hands of evil doers under the guise that certain limitations has exceeded such a right,
    Well Mr Cameron( i for one) would like to know what moral limitations guided by evidence and persuaded by any given humanitarian/law would excuse such high levels of grievances which include murderous and uncivilized acts against a human being

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  24. ac October 4, 2015 at 8:48 AM #

    it is also interesting how the level of debate has targeted the victims as lackeys and gives preferential / rights/ treatment to the criminals . What a World we live in

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  25. Donna October 4, 2015 at 12:52 PM #

    So you DO have a brain when DLP mode is switched off

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  26. ac October 4, 2015 at 3:21 PM #

    Fat face ( Donna)and you can also add HONESTY on your complied list of “all things ac
    Apparently you have a problem with honesty reason why you find a offense to those things which i say politically

    however to those who think that reparations should be with held, i question how many of the said opponents were vocally against the jews who got there golden calf returned to them. .Needless to say a newer generation of jews are the beneficiaries from reparations and there was absolutely no issue or hurdled to cross when the calls for reparations to the jews were made,

    There is a moral suasion at the core of this grave inhumanity David Cameron would do well to address such an issue

    The following is an excerpt founded on moral grounds when the reparation debate for Jews was address in Germany parliament .

    According to the website of the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Ag”In response to calls from Jewish organizations and the State of Israel, in September 1951 Chancellor Konrad Adenauer of West Germany addressed his Parliament: “… unspeakable crimes have been committed in the name of the German people, calling for moral and material indemnity … The Federal Government are prepared, jointly with representatives of Jewry and the State of Israel … to bring about a solution of the material indemnity problem, thus easing the way to the spiritual settlement of infinite suffering.”

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  27. kiki October 4, 2015 at 6:26 PM #

    A/C I was pointing out UK’s overt past Racism which they are covering up. Not condoning it, but I see where you are coming from and are spot on

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  28. ac October 4, 2015 at 9:45 PM #

    Ki KI the subject of racism would do the black race no good in their fight for reparations. Too may years have gone by ,,Many laws have been legislated to tackle racism whereby the black race have not been denied basic human rights However the jews in their fight for reparations used a moral law of persuasion a given and spiritual right and one which binds all humanity together.
    There is no way to argue that morals that are ethical are limited to/ or exclude from certain individuals the jews knew that such an argument would confounded and dumbfound the defendants and used such a strategy to bolster their case and win the support of many govts,,

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  29. David October 4, 2015 at 10:10 PM #

    David Cameron’s Visit To Jamaica – Amusing And Dangerous

    By Gerald A. Perreira

    Read more at: http://www.modernghana.com/news/646784/1/david-camerons-visit-to-jamaica-amusing-and-danger.html

    “The English are well known throughout the world for their lack of political scruples. They are experts at the art of hiding their misdeeds behind a facade of virtue. They have been at it for centuries, and it has become such a part of their nature that they hardly notice it any longer. They carry on with such a pious expression and deadly seriousness that they even convince themselves that they are the exemplars of political virtue. They do not admit their hypocrisy to themselves. It never happens that one Englishman says to another with a wink or a smile ‘We don’t want to fool ourselves, do we now.’ They do not only behave as if they were the model of piety and virtue — they really believe that they are. That is both amusing and dangerous.”


    You might imagine that the above quote could be attributed to an activist from one of Britain’s many former colonies, but in fact it is a quote from Adolph Hitler’s Propaganda Minister, Joseph Goebbels. Who better to understand the English than their German cousins?

    Read more at: http://www.modernghana.com/news/646784/1/david-camerons-visit-to-jamaica-amusing-and-danger.html

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  30. Donna October 4, 2015 at 11:37 PM #

    My response should have shown you that I can give Jack his jacket. That shows HONESTY on MY part. As I have said, I never voted for any party but the DLP. This was because I saw it as the better party for Barbados. Why would I turn against them after all this time? The reason has to be either personal or objective. The DLP has done nothing to me personally. An objective assessment of this government’s performance and conduct has led to withdrawal of my support. This administration has let me down so badly I am ashamed of having voted for them. That is the HONEST truth. That should also be evident since I have shown no inclination to embrace the BLP as it is. I am just as scathing on them. What then would be the point of lying? What would I have to gain?

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  31. Donna October 4, 2015 at 11:44 PM #

    David,

    Wow! That sure hit the nail on the head! After watching their cricket teams and umpires and match referees for forty years I can attest to that. They don’t have a clue exactly how biased they are but somehow the darker skinned person always ends up being in the wrong.

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  32. Exclaimer October 5, 2015 at 2:15 AM #

    Too late Mr Cameron! Who has finally woken up to the fact that China has superceded Britain in her reach throughout the Caribbean and in all of her ex-colonies. It is time to give Britain the boot irrespective of our demands for reparations.

    The two-faced British should never be trusted and should therefore never be engaged. Just look at their historical legacy. Hippocrates!

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  33. pieceuhderockyeahright October 5, 2015 at 3:50 AM #

    Good morning Donna,

    I saw you comment earlier when you said “Reparations though rightly ours will never be paid. We must stop demeaning ourselves by asking for them..”

    First of all I agree that it will never be paid.

    And it should not be paid, especially, not is the format that the sensationalist who wrote this and, much like the British PR Cameron and others from Rule Britannia, WILL NOT return to his vomit, having “deigned” to write this garbage, to the plebians in the first place.

    Why is it garbage? the white man, particularly the Briton, believes that it is their right to rape pillage and divide up the world as per the instruct of their Kings whom they believe their GOD gave them this indisputable right, for time immemorial.

    Just check the reason behind the Crusades etc, and the exploration, and exploitation, of the Dark Continent, the Magna Carta and of course its descendent Magnum .357 and other weapons of war they have used to destroy the Patrice Lumumbas and Thomas Sankaras of our darkened world.

    The Annunaki has rightfully said do not ask them for any of the parroted reparations that Commissingsong and Sir Sellout Hilary are proposing but, as with the wisdom of the Japanase, post WWII, ask them for development funding which targets innovative programs that are sustainable and other meaningful constructs.

    Unfortunately Donna said innovative programming an bilateral aid, in lieu of reparations, are as much an oxymoron as your own “RIGHTFULLY OURS” then followed by “stop demeaning ourselves”

    Why so? when read together it begs the question, “how can we demean ourselves by asking for what is rightfully ours?”

    I agree with the Anunnaki per the format ensuing reparations should take but here is where the ole man got a diffrunt perspective than the Honourable Annunaki

    De ole man knows that what he suggest will fail, not because it makes sense, NO!! because it will fall to the correspondent Cahill-like mentalities, of this and previous administrations (or what de ole man calls the “pottage mentality” and the 30 pieces of silver crew) to construct said reparations proposals and thereafter administer them.

    Note that the ole man ent even say implement dem cause dat ent possible.

    It is easier to teach a Donkey to speak Russian or a Dompey to understand a blog submission and submit a reasonable response (or keep he promise NEVAH to come back heah to comment), than to have an effective Reparations mechanism for the region AND CERTAINLY one for Barbados.

    These ministers of this, and previous, (and more than likely immediate future), administration are men (and women and in betweeners) who are short vision, short stature, lacking in the basic ability to facilitate the growth of our economy, and that of our nation (these are two different things)

    “A man telephoned the airline office and asked, “How long does it take to fly to Boston?” The clerk said, “Just a minute…”

    “Thank you,” the man said and hung up.

    As simplistic as that representation above is underscoring the inability to understand a simple question, the point dat de ole man want to share wid you Donna is this.

    As smart as you and I THINK WE ARE, we have to be the most INGRUNT peeple (on this planet) to be in this 6 uh one and half dozen uh de udder.

    The issue of Reparations, and its resolution, brings us to review tthe blatant fact that the very HR resources that are needed to address, analyze, distil and make representations on these matters, are absent.

    Every 5 years, they bring us IGNORAMUSES like Patrick Todd,Trevor Prescod, David Gill, Hamila, Adriel Nitwit, Froon, the psychotic Liar and financial nitwit Stinkliar, George Hutson, Irene Sandiford Garner, Lashes, Suck You and the list of female rabbits continues, yet, even in spite of the names on that electoral list, you and I religiously vote for them!!

    Then these idiots appoint another layer of super ignormauses Like the Jepter Inces, the Darcy Boyces aided and abetted by the Edison Alleynes and the “I want my Pension at any Price” acting PS’s and the system devolves into concentrated pup-ology

    Like that caller to the airline, we simply continue to miss the point, every single time, and then spend 5 years here on BU, and in our daily activites, made worse by their shenannigans, contending with their rampant idiocy, bemoaning these incompetents who, like us??, an electorate incapable of answering the question “why should we elect them? the incompetents in waiting, all of whom simply do not have the capacity to understand “their question” namely why they should be elected ?…

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  34. balance October 5, 2015 at 5:31 AM #

    “Tories also supported Apartheid in South Africa up to its end”

    So did Labour. Are you not aware of Mr Harold Wilson’s ‘kith and kin’ speech. This feeling that Labour in the UK and Democrats in the USA are for blacks and the conservatives and Republicans are anti-black is a myth. Both organisations do but the conservatives and republicans are more honest and do not use blacks for their political ends like labour and the democrats do.

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  35. ac October 5, 2015 at 5:59 AM #

    Fighting for a belief it takes hard work and plenty time, The race for blacks to be treated as equals took many years cost of lives .However patience and determination won out in the end, The persistent voice is the key that would make reparations happen.the ever so reminder and persuasions of all would.should make a difference of turning a WRONG into a RIGHT .

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  36. kiki October 5, 2015 at 6:21 AM #

    It was obvious UK would not agree to slavery reparations like they initially refused reparations to Mau Mau claims which went back to High Court and eventually got a nominal agreement for payout.

    Point being initial discussion and negotiations were dodged and Reparations Case needs to be filed in Court.

    UK Government has been spreading disinformation all over net to dodge culpability such as African selling Slaves, Slavery existence in History, Irish slaves, Industrial Revolution created UK’s wealth and more. Fact Finding, Rebutting disinformation, will be part and parcel of case in adversary process.

    @Balance
    Anti-Apartheid protests was left wing movement for 10+ years
    Thatcher’s family had business interests in SA and she supported and condoned Apartheid until her political end

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  37. David October 5, 2015 at 9:29 AM #

    Before dismissing calls for compensation as gesture politics, it is as well to recall that the British state has compensated for slavery before – it is just that it compensated the owners, as opposed to the owned. When parliament broke the legal chains in 1833, it also raised £17bn (in today’s terms) to make good the losses “of human property” of some 46,000 Britons, one of them Mr Cameron’s first cousin, six times removed. Such wealth trickled down the generations, but that is only the most obvious, and not necessarily the most important, part of the slavery inheritance.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/30/the-guardian-view-on-britains-slavery-inheritance-reflect-and-atone

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  38. David October 5, 2015 at 9:31 AM #

    None of these legacies are easy to quantify, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t exist. Any compensation proposition is inescapably arbitrary – financially arbitrary in the precise sum set, and perhaps morally arbitrary in that it would involve contemporary Britons who have never bought slaves, atoning for long-dead Britons who did. On top of that, there is a sense that any cheque would be in the wrong currency – freedom forgone is simply not convertible into pounds and pence.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/30/the-guardian-view-on-britains-slavery-inheritance-reflect-and-atone

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  39. David October 5, 2015 at 9:32 AM #

    All this points away from a once-and-for-all cash settlement, but then that is not the only form of recompense. The living can never be responsible for the evil deeds of the dead, but they can and do profit from them. And that, surely, precludes getting away with the claim that it’s time to “move on”. For a start, there is an onus to rewrite the national story. Politicians who weren’t born when British boots landed on Normandy beaches nonetheless speak of when “we” won the war; the same “we”, the “we” of history, locked men and women in chains. Trade and aid policies should also reflect Britain’s reparative duties. Mr Cameron has a commendable record on development spending, but it is a bitter irony that he is in Kingston to explain how this will be spent on a new jail. Given the history, Britain really ought to have come up with a better way to unlock a brighter Jamaican future.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/30/the-guardian-view-on-britains-slavery-inheritance-reflect-and-atone

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  40. Donna October 5, 2015 at 9:41 AM #

    Demeaning ourselves to me means giving them a chance to rub their brand of chocolate in our faces and smugly insult us (the words ‘move on’ come to mind) all the while sitting next to them (like Simpson-Miller) and smiling deferentially because we know that they can and will not hesitate to bury us with the full support of the other European powers. Demeaning ourselves is having to deal with them diplomatically instead of calling a honky a honky. Demeaning ourselves for me means having to pretend at these meetings that they are other than thugs and bullies and proud of it. Me, I would prefer to cuss them stink stink, throw their “aids” back in their smug faces and fend for myself.

    The only way our demands are not going to be portrayed as begging is if they are delivered at gunpoint. And that would only give them the “excuse” and the opportunity to debase us further.

    Imagine they want to help us build more prisons to lock up those they wish to deport. They accept NO RESPONSIBILITY for the rape of Africa and its people. They accept NO RESPONSIBILITY for the damage done by that rape. They would rather blame the victims for their damaged psychological state. “That was a long time ago!” they say. “Get over it!”

    Let us cuss them stink and apply ourselves to repairing our damaged psyche. We must somehow reject our Eurocentric idea of what is success in this world. Consumerism and materialism are our new masters, We spend our lives trying to buy more and costlier THINGS in order to prove our worth. Success rather is living in harmony with each other and nature. We are “progressing” in the wrong direction following some demented Pied Piper up the creek.

    And Bushie wants me to enter politics? My first act as a member of “her majesty’s government” would be to repeat my pre-teen year old stand of showing her and her prime minister my backside! But then, I could never make it through the swearing in oath just as I couldn’t speak the Girl Guide promise, just as my mother refused to sing the British national anthem as a child and just as my grandfather threatened to throttle the teachers if they ever laid a hand on his daughter for such again! “God save the gracious queen, my black ass,” is how he put it. ” God save US ALL!”

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  41. Donna October 5, 2015 at 9:49 AM #

    That’s “my pre-teen stand”

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  42. Donna October 5, 2015 at 9:57 AM #

    Pieces,

    I shall not be voting again. I am agitating for change. No more of this lesser of the two evils crap.

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  43. kiki October 5, 2015 at 9:59 AM #

    £1,000,000,000,000 (£1 trillion) is number that comes to mind (£100,000,000,000 over 10 years) on development programs (that’s double QE UK used to save banks / economy)

    that’s the cost of redemption

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  44. Donna October 5, 2015 at 10:08 AM #

    Wily Coyote,

    Your ACME devices will eventually blow up in your face.

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  45. pieceuhderockyeahright October 5, 2015 at 10:09 AM #

    Hmmm Donna, I can see now why Bushie elect you to serve in the Select Republican Guard of the BUP!!

    Woman de ole man love you and was it not fuh de fact dat de madam is back, and I also declare my love to SSS, and previously IslandGirl, and Smooth Chocolate I was gine married to you heah pun BU

    I is a real cyberspace polygamist proposing to all de wumens heah every chance I get

    De onliest body de old man ent propose to is Simple Simon and she whatevah pronouncements

    Yuh wud tink dat wid one foot in de grave dat I wud stop all de Ram goat galivanting dat de ole man does do in he head!!

    Somebody gots to stand up to dem and say “NO PHREAKING FURDER” and stop lick dem bald pooches when dem Driving Bout in de Rolls Royce shaking at de natives like how De Chilrun are is learning well Minister Ronald We Jonesing does be “shaking his wrist” limply at de teachers dem

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  46. Donna October 5, 2015 at 10:54 AM #

    You may have one foot in the grave but your brain is more alive than most. I can understand your love for SSS. She is live and direct. Islandgal does not waste any time although she can be too hasty to judge on occasion, Smooth Chocolate is more elusive and mysterious so I can understand your fascination. So, you appreciate a good woman. Nothing wrong with that.

    Really what AC takes for dishonesty in pursuit of a desperate friend search is an ability to appreciate another side of the story and the person whose story it is. I learn a lot here on BU and am reminded of things I had forgotten. Sometimes it may force me to change a position. What is the point in sticking to a flawed argument simply to save face? I take correction even from my twelve year old son. Sometimes he is right and I am wrong.

    By the way, I have to “big up” the AC for the term “blaming the victims” in this context before she sues me for plagiarism.

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  47. Donna October 5, 2015 at 10:59 AM #

    Pieces,

    And you are hereby forgiven for your fascination with the female body as it is obvious that you also appreciate a good female mind. That is a RARE quality, I find. You do not objectify us but appreciate all our facets. If that proposal were forthcoming I might even have considered it. LOL

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  48. kiki October 5, 2015 at 7:23 PM #

    Assessing The Slave Trade
    Trans Atlantic Slave Database
    VOYAGES
    http://www.slavevoyages.org/tast/assessment/estimates.faces

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  49. kiki October 6, 2015 at 9:29 AM #

    There is burden of proof in court cases and loci legal standing
    disinformation is criminally fraudulent

    Hard Times Dub

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  50. David October 6, 2015 at 10:30 AM #

    You have to take your hat off to the Jamaicans who are fiercely patriot to their roots.

    http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/news/20151005/jamaicans-new-york-start-online-petition-against-britains-prison-offer

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  51. Well Well & Consequences October 6, 2015 at 11:32 AM #

    David Cameron is descended from the families who owned slaves, have shares in Barclays Bank and Lloyds of London who funded slavery off the backs of black people. He is greedy and arrogant and has no intentions of giving up anything because he still benefits from the centuries old Trans-atlantic Slave Trade.

    It was a calculated risk on Cameron’s part because he knew he could still get away with insulting black people, had it been his ancestors, he would not get over it, he would get even and so would his people.

    If the Jamaican government had any brain power or balls, they would have asked him to leave Jamaica, but they still want to be begging England and Europe for grants so they humbly endure insults to their own people and to the memories of their ancestors.

    It’s a disgrace.

    Ugly, disgusting Ann Windsor the albino racist rat from the house of buckingham palace should not have been allowed to prance around Barbados the very same week either, it was an orchestrated insult to coincide with Cameron’s insults in Jamaica.

    Again, weak black leaders with low to no brain power who do not know and do not care about defending their own people or the memories of their ancestors, just looking for the next dollar (paper) with no common sense.

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  52. Exclaimer October 6, 2015 at 2:51 PM #

    David you and a thousand others have come very late to this party. I posted the article below, way back in July, informing the BU intelligentsia of a daring UK documentary that had the audacity to enlighten the ignorant British masses of the systemic and indelible tort generated from the UK’S slave economy which enabled the UK to remain a remarkably wealthy and by extension a very influential nation.

    @ Piece and Bush Tea, I have just spent a short period in East Africa and I can testify to you that I have never seen a greater collection of black feminine women – period! I did not encounter any obese women and I found them to be delightful. Unlike Donna they will not answer you back!

    @ David et al. keep up the good work.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/12/british-history-slavery-buried-scale-revealed

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  53. David October 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM #

    @Exclaimer

    Thanks, not Ras has been submitting repatriation subject matter to BU for years now.

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  54. Dr. Hadrian Hyndz October 6, 2015 at 3:44 PM #

    I am descended from slaves. So are you. From slave-owners, too. Given the history of the human race, it could hardly be otherwise.

    Slavery was the normal form of social organization from the discovery of agriculture onwards. It may have been common among hunter-gatherers long before that, but the evidence is inconclusive. What we do know is that ownership of human beings is at least as old as civilization. The cities of Ur and Sumer, of Egypt and Persia, of the Indus Valley and Xia Dynasty China were built by forced labor.

    Slaves raised the Acropolis in Athens and the Pantheon in Rome. They piled up the ziggurats of Meso-America. Incas, Maoris, Apache: All accepted slavery as part of the natural order. An Aleutian tribe kept a special caste of boys raised as girls for the sexual gratification of its chiefs. An early Indian clan bred slave children for the specific purpose of sacrificing them. Slavery was so endemic in Africa that it became more common following the abolition of the Atlantic trade.

    This history is what makes arguments about reparations so bizarre. The people paying up would be statistically certain to have both owners and owned in their family tree; so would the people accepting compensation.

    Jamaican politicians are currently demanding reparations from Britain for its role in the trans-Atlantic traffic. Because slavery was such an abominable practice, people naturally feel a need to express their revulsion. When we read of the monstrous conditions on the ships and in the plantations, we want to tell someone how wretched we feel about the whole thing.
    But tell whom? There has been much press comment in the Caribbean about the fact that David Cameron is descended from a slave-owner called General Sir James Duff, who was compensated for the emancipation of 202 slaves when the institution was abolished in 1833.

    Still, here’s a hard thing that needs saying. Cameron, like most British people, is only very distantly related to a plantation owner. General Duff is, as far as I can work out, his sixth cousin. Isn’t it statistically likely that some of the Jamaican politicians demanding compensation are more directly descended from plantation owners than he is?

    Which brings us to the absurdity of assigning collective national guilt in these situations. Should a Jamaican who migrated to Britain in the 1950s now be liable to pay reparations to his family who remained behind?

    Don’t get me wrong, Britain and Jamaica have been through a great deal together. Jamaicans volunteered in large numbers to fight for Britain in two world wars. The reason this whole debate has come up is that Mr. Cameron visited Jamaica to announce a substantial trade and investment package, rightly recognizing the ties between our two islands.

    But valuing such ties is a world away from assigning hereditary guilt — which was, paradoxically, the justification for slavery in many societies. Quite apart from being immoral, the argument is unsustainable.
    When the issue of reparations comes up, half-clever white people in Britain sometimes say things like, “Well, in that case, I want reparations from Denmark for the Viking invasions.” To which one answer is: You’re the one likely to be descended from Vikings; the Danes of today are descended from the ones who stayed behind. Similarly, who is likelier to have slave-owners in his or her family tree: An African-American, or a Polish-American?

    Britain, unlike the United States, followed a policy of compensated manumission: Slave-owners were bought out, meaning that the institution was abolished much earlier, and without a civil war. Some leftist activists regard these payments as shameful, and Ron Paul was excoriated when he suggested that the U.S. should have done something similar.

    But surely the fact that people were prepared to pay to abolish slavery is a cause for pride, not shame. If we absolutely insist on singling Britain out, let’s consider the truly exceptional factor, namely that, after thousands of years of slavery, Britain was the country that poured its resources and energy into stamping out the traffic, even diverting ships from a life-and-death struggle with Napoleon to intercept Atlantic slavers.

    Should we Brits demand compensation from the rest of the world for having played that role? Of course not. We’re all individuals, responsible for our own actions. That, if you think about it, was the philosophy that destroyed slavery in the first place.

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  55. Negroman October 6, 2015 at 4:18 PM #

    When I hear England and the United States of America talk about human rights,I get nauseous and angry all at the same time.
    Those White criminals decimated other people’s homeland,stole their property and in the process killed millions of human beings.They now have the audacity to talk about human rights.Give me a f—g break.
    Eventhough David Cameron is the leader of England that bastard should be made Persona Non Grata to all Black populated states of this world especially those in Africa and the Caribbean.
    When will our weak knee stupid ass leaders stop going cup in hand begging the stinking White killers of this world for assistance. We have it within ourselves to chart our own destiny.Black people of this world do not need the stinks of Europe for survival.
    To hell with David Cameron and his insult to us by offering to build a prison for Jamaican criminals.Instead he should build a prison for his own kith & kin murders & thieves

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  56. millertheanunnaki October 6, 2015 at 5:32 PM #

    @ Dr. Hadrian Hyndz October 6, 2015 at 3:44 PM

    We are rather impressed with your erudite historical analysis of the pathology of slavery.
    We get the impression that you see the loss of hundred of thousands of lives during the trans-Atlantic voyage as mere collateral damage similar to commercial cargo lost, damaged or spoilt in transit to be written off or to be the plaything of Loss Adjusters hired by some name at Lloyd’s of London.

    No wonder there is so much moral justification underscored by Jehovah Jireh’s directives for the institution of slavery as outlined in the Judeo-Christian book of cultural rules and regulations.
    It’s also interesting to note that a ‘doctored’ version of this same book of social and mental control was produced during the reign of King James representing the start of the period of England’s effluence into the ‘colonisation’ of the new World, especially the Caribbean and its exploitation of resources of the Gold Coast of West Africa.

    Be that as it may, let us agree that the case for Reparations cannot be gainsaid because of the precedent set by the same English or British government by inadvertently compensating the former slave owners.; not for loss of land or business assets but for loss of the ownership of other human beings made by your God and who ought to have been standing equally in Its sight.

    The laws of Equity and Natural Justice demand that reparations be given to the descendants of those exploited souls who only “sin” was to be born with a skin that could withstanding the effects of working long hours in the Sun unlike the Irish and the poor and wretched from the other British Isles.

    Our only proviso is that not one ‘red’ penny or 5 pence be given in cash to the modern governments of those territories in the Caribbean with significant populations of African descent. This so-called cash reparations in ‘cash’ would be akin to throwing water in the Atlantic as sacrifice to the sharks that dined lusciously on the flesh of naked Africans thrown overboard on those death ships of the triangular trade.

    Such cash settlements would certainly end up in bank accounts not in the City of London, but in China, Korea, Japan and India with the descendants of the black slaves still the wretched of the Earth as Fanon would so describe.

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  57. Exclaimer October 6, 2015 at 7:08 PM #

    @ Negroman,
    I understand your sentiments. Sadly, wherever you find the black man you will find someone whose mind remains underdeveloped. Like a child, he clings to both his maternal and paternal parents. They will spoon feed this man child a number of trinkets: the gun, the bible, drugs, democracy and a rafter of material goods, produce and ideas which have been designed to retard his mind.

    Then along comes a certain europhile – Dr. Hadrian Hyndz – who presents a brief but compelling article that attempts to contextualise slavery through an historical timeline. Quite frankly, I do not appreciate the man’s detached academic prose. I have no interest in his views. I do not want to be told by A.N. Other that slavery has being practised throughout history and that to seek reparations is futile.

    @ millertheanunnaki , Good reply.

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  58. Exclaimer October 7, 2015 at 2:11 AM #

    David Cameron is ‘ignorant’ over slavery reparations, says Danny Glover

    Prime minister under fire from Lethal Weapon actor and activist over comments that Jamaica should ‘move on’ from slavery

    http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/oct/06/david-cameron-slavery-reparations-danny-glover-jamaica

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  59. Negroman October 8, 2015 at 12:21 PM #

    I honestly believe the position taken by David Cameron ought to be highlighted to all other Caribbean leaders and leaders of Black dominated countries on the thinking of the beneficiaries of slavery.
    Prime Minister of Jamaica,Portia Simpson Miller is a major disappointment. I cannot believe that Miss Miller is willing to accept that insulting offer from David Cameron.A stupid leader indeed. I agree with the opposition in Jamaica to boycott thedamn parliament on that matter.
    The Caribbean approach to the reparation issue seems quite conflicting and confusing.Not surprising it is like West Indies cricket.
    Foolish leaders we have in the Caribbean.Portia Simpson Miller you are a big letdown.I hope you re-visit your position of accepting assistance of building a prison from David Cameron.If not I hope the opposition and the people of Jamaica up the ante to remove you as Prime Minister of Jamaica.Black people in the Caribbean do not want jack ass Prime Ministers like you leading us anymore.
    To hell with Cameron and his insult.
    Exclaimer,I do not read articles or comments from anyone trying to justify slavery.

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  60. Well Well & Consequences October 8, 2015 at 2:58 PM #

    As long as it’s understood that Cameron still has the slimy mindset of the unrepentant slave master and would not change it for anything, half the battle has been won. The upside to his arrogant insults is that he is opening even wider, the eyes of those who are already open. Except of course for the idiot politicians/lawyers/doctors in the Caribbean, Barbados included, who crave the pimphood titles out of the island of England, these useless so and so’s have no shame.

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  61. Donna October 8, 2015 at 4:25 PM #

    The difference with this slavery was that they brought people here and have diluted us and erased our culture until we don’t even know who we are. We have no idea exactly which country we should return to and even if we did we wouldn’t fit in. And besides that by colonizing Africa they have made such a mess that we might be better off staying here. Here on these tiny rocks with very little natural resources handicapped by our size and a damaged psyche we are now forced to compete with those larger and more developed countries whose economies we have built as though it were a level playing field. And along comes the WTO holding us to rules that the more developed countries have never and will never follow themselves.

    But we can rise above all this. We can.

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  62. Donna October 8, 2015 at 4:29 PM #

    Unfortunately we have leaders like dear Portia et al whom we would need to remove first. Near- sighted, pathetic, grasping, hopeless imposters whom Cameron can afford to smear with filth while they smile and call it chocolate.

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  63. Donna October 8, 2015 at 9:14 PM #

    Exclaimer,

    Am I to understand that your definition of a feminine woman is one who does not answer you back? You can have all of them for yourself because don’t think Bushie and Pieces have a liking for boring, servile mutes. They obviously like women who speak when they have something sensible to say. They obviously like a little excitement and challenge not a doormat upon which they can wipe their feet. Strong men who can handle a strong woman. LOL

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  64. Well Well & Consequences October 9, 2015 at 2:53 PM #

    Finally……. former Jamaican Prime Minister P.J Patterson certainly put David Cameron, the slave master wannabe, in his place today.

    When will the black leaders of the Caribbean who are the current holders of taxpayer funded offices get some balls against the lowlifes in Europe, some in the Americas who still believe, with their sick delusional minds, that blacks are still beasts of burden and should forget slavery and it’s present day effects that are still very destructive.

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  65. Well Well & Consequences October 9, 2015 at 3:01 PM #

    Donna said:

    “Here on these tiny rocks with very little natural resources handicapped by our size and a damaged psyche we are now forced to compete with those larger and more developed countries whose economies we have built as though it were a level playing field. And along comes the WTO holding us to rules that the more developed countries have never and will never follow themselves.”

    Donna……it goes even deeper, the islands in the Caribbean are still used by the industrialized countries to enrich each other, sell the islands to each other above the heads of the jokers calling themselves black leaders/politicians/lawyers/doctors, who are clueless and so caught up in their self-serving antic, they have no idea what’s happening and cannot fathom the diabolical plots still enacted against black people.

    Cameron would not have dared to make such insulting, insensitive and arrogant comments if he did not still feel himself to be one of the owners of the Caribbean islands and by testing the waters he sees that 50 years, some older, after political independence, most of the black leaders have no balls and would tolerate anything done to their people and memories of their ancestors.

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  66. chad99999 October 11, 2015 at 7:40 AM #

    Interesting to see the abuse being hurled at Portia in Jamaica for her deferential response to the snobbery and contempt of David Cameron.
    How did Jamaica become a beggar nation in less than 50 years? Wasn’t it the result of unwise borrowing by the proud and articulate but utterly incompetent Michael Manley? And wasn’t Manley under constant pressure to perform economic miracles by the hundreds of thousands of poverty-stricken voters who keep demanding impossible results from leaders who have neither the knowledge nor the integrity their jobs require?
    Arithmetic democracy can be a terrible thing. Barbados, Are you listening? Or are we doomed to follow the same path.

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  67. Donna October 12, 2015 at 10:00 AM #

    chad99999,

    I was not one of those “poverty stricken voters” who made impossible demands. I never had a great thirst for champagne and caviar. I prefer mauby and sea eggs. Therefore I can take issue with the corned beef politicians who have with the support of many brought us to this pathetic point.

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