BARBADOS MEDIA IGNORES RELEASE OF POLICE SERVICE COMMISSION REPORT: PSC Report Recommended the Retirement of Commissioner Darwin Dottin


Read the Recommendation of the Police Service Commission to retire former Commissioner of Police Darwin Dottin – Read it and weep!



Tags: , , , , , , , ,

158 Comments on “BARBADOS MEDIA IGNORES RELEASE OF POLICE SERVICE COMMISSION REPORT: PSC Report Recommended the Retirement of Commissioner Darwin Dottin”

  1. Amused October 29, 2013 at 3:56 AM #

    @David | October 27, 2013 at 11:35 PM | Of course the fact that David Thompson is dead in no way affects the duty of the government to shine the light of transparency on the CLICO affair. But (and I think you will agree) these are two separate issues and the clear attempt by some to use Thompson and CLICO as a means of excuse and exculpation for the CoP, A-G and Min of National Security is, in my respectful submission, highly inappropriate. It is school child tactics. Mum and Dad catch a child red-handed and they seek to reduce or eradicate their culpability by pointing the finger of blame for some other alleged infraction at one of their siblings.

    @lighthouse | October 28, 2013 at 10:51 AM | Excellent. You raise some compelling points that beg questions. How many convictions under Dottin’s leadership are tainted due to his alleged criminality? Your comments on the death penalty are also most compelling. As is well known, I am a firm opponent of the death penalty. But even those who support it must view with horror the possibility of its being carried out on the innocent for political expediency and ends, rather than as justice on the guilty.

    @Well Well. My friend, do, ah beg yuh, give ac a break. She is arguing well, not that I necessarily agree with everything she is saying, but much of it has merit.

    @David | October 28, 2013 at 6:58 PM | Hear hear!!!!!!

    A final point which actually supports one made by ac, though in a different context to that suggested by her. It will be recalled that we spent $600,000+ on the Alexandra School COI (on which ac and I were adverse) and that was before one commissioner. The difficulty, as I have previously pointed out, in Dottin’s case is that there must be 3 commissioners, all senior to him. That means the DPP and 2 retired judges. The choice of these two retired judges is of great importance, as they must have the stature and status as judges so that no taint of political favour can be imputed, which immediately excludes Simmons. In any event, as Simmons is currently being sued by Jack Warner over his conduct of a COI in T&T, he would be a highly inappropriate choice. Ditto his wife. Chris Blackman’s conduct in the Bahamas effectively excludes him from consideration as well. Ideally, Sir Denys and Sir Frederick would be the best choices, but I think it doubtful that either would serve. Waterman could, but some questions about his conduct of the AX COI might arise. Lionel Greenidge could serve without, to my mind, raising any questions or controversy about his fitness to do so. It is in circumstances like these that it is realised just how much of a chasm the death of Justice Lindsay Worrell has left.

    And the expense at a time of global recession, would be enormous. Also, the details of who was tapped enter the public domain, giving rise to a massive and successful amount of civil law suits being filed – and this would further clog up an already moribund court system.

    Therefore, taking this into account, the PSC has given Dottin an out. Retirement with pension, provided he does not challenge his removal from office. For, once he challenges it and all the evidence of his criminality is brought before the Court, the DPP and the A-G have no viable option, except to criminally indict and prosecute him and any other higher official that may have instructed and condoned his actions, including, but not limited to, the A-G (former) and the Minister of National Security (also former). And I cannot believe that Dottin does not know this or has not had this pointed out to him by his learned legal counsel. Therefore, the only reason I can come up with is an attempted shake-down.

    While fully understanding and appreciating the rationale of the PSC, I do not necessarily agree with it. Barbados is in the grips of a corruption so pervasive that perchance a clear warning and example needs to be made, whether it is the freezing of David Thompson’s assets due to CLICO (a course that I believe has no legal merit and would ultimately fail in a court of law) and/or the prosecution of Dottin and his accomplices – and let the chips fall where they may. I also believe that such a course of action would send a clear signal to members of the international community who now doubt and eschew Barbados, that Barbados is cleaning house and that a return of confidence in its infrastructure and state institutions deserve to be be taken seriously.

    BUT what amazes and distresses me is the international perception that the BU revelations, having been fully documented, are being soundly ignored by the rest of Barbados’ press. And this is the clearest indication of all of the malaise of corruption that has taken over Barbados. I believe that had BU not put a watermark into the document, it would have been picked up by the rest of the press and it is a sad commentary on the lack of ethics and proper reporting by the Barbados press that because they cannot steal the fruits of BU’s investigative reporting and pass it off as their own, rather than give BU the credit that is customary in the press of other countries, they choose instead to ignore a story of such monumental national importance and the breaching of the right to privacy and the expectation thereof of their own readers. Shame on them!!!!


  2. David October 29, 2013 at 4:16 AM #


    To be fair to David Ellis at VoB he mentioned that Barbadians should go online check for the report but he could have done better. You are correct that the hypocrisy of the local media has been exposed here. It shows how they cherrypick what is news.


  3. David October 29, 2013 at 4:18 AM #

    And Amused more troubling is that the many on Facebook who have seen/read it have not shown the inclination to share the report to express concern and or indignation.


  4. David October 29, 2013 at 4:28 AM #

    See Nation newspaper report:
    Bowen’s back on the job
    Inspector Anderson Bowen, a well known crime fighter, returned to the job yesterday after almost five years on suspension. (Picture by Cherie Pitt)
    By WADE GIBBONS | Fri, October 08, 2010 – 12:00 AM
    ALMOST FIVE YEARS after being suspended following his public call for Commissioner of Police Darwin Dottin to resign, Inspector Anderson Bowen has been reinstated into the Royal Barbados Police Force.
    Bowen, one of the force’s top detectives, returned to the job on Monday and has been reassigned to the human resources department. When contacted yesterday at Central Police Station, Bowen declined to comment on the matter, saying only that all questions should be directed to Dottin.
    He did however express gratitude to those who had “counselled, advised and morally supported” him while he was on leave, including attorney-at-law Stephen Alleyne, wife Sharmane, brothers Daniel Bowen and George Haynes, and friend Bishop Alfred Vaughan.
    Reliable sources at the Personnel Administration Division told the WEEKEND NATION that Governor General Sir Clifford Husbands had accepted the advice of the Police Service Commission that Bowen’s suspension be terminated and that the half salary withheld from him since December 2005 be restored.
    Last month Dottin was directed by the Personnel Administration Division to make all arrangements for Bowen’s return to the job.
    Bowen will be entitled to retroactive vacation of about nine months. It is also understood that he will be promoted shortly. He had received formal disciplinary charges on April 2, 2007, some 16 months after being suspended for his comments.
    In October 2005 Bowen called on Dottin to quit, stressing he bore him no malice but suggesting that in the interest of the organisation and the general public he should leave the organisation since he lacked police management skills.
    Bowen also took exception to a number of public statements made by Dottin regarding police investigations and stated those comments often compromised the enquiries being undertaken.
    He made specific reference to comments about kidnapped victim Antonio Barker of Rock Dundo, St Michael, among other cases. Barker’s skeletal remains were later found in a canefield.
    Bowen was subsequently reassigned to the position of provost officer with responsibility for cleaners, maids and general workers, a position previously held by a constable, and up to that stage, never held by anyone of such senior rank.
    He took that matter to the Supreme Court seeking damages. Bowen also filed a writ in the High Court accusing Dottin of unlawfully wiretapping private homes, among other grievances. Those matters are still pending.
    While the Police Service Commission has ordered Bowen’s return to the force, it has undertaken a probe into Dottin’s professional conduct and recently filed four charges of misconduct against him.
    The Service Commission has also been probing complaints made by Deputy Commissioner of Police Bertie Hinds against Dottin over alleged mismanagement of the force.
    Hinds cited several instances where he said Dottin’s management was linked to diminished productivity, low morale and rampant sick leave in the force.


  5. David October 29, 2013 at 4:49 AM #

    BU has no problem share newsworthy material from traditional media…look!
    PCA up the wall

    The Police Complaints Authority (PCA) is upset with the Commissioner of Police, suggesting that failure to investigate allegations against his officers in a timely manner, is frustrating the work of the tribunal.
    In its annual report for 2012, just laid in the House of Assembly, the authority said it “continues to be dissatisfied with the lack of response to its requests for matters to be investigated by the Commissioner of Police”. In fact, the report revealed some startling statistics which gave credence to the PCA’s concern regarding the “lack” of response from the top cop.
    “During the year 2012, replies were received from the Commissioner of Police with respect to 21 complaints, which were referred to his department for investigation. Of the replies received, one dated back to a complaint filed in 2005; one to a complaint filed in 2007; one to a complaint filed in 2008; seven to complaints filed in 2009; one to a complaint filed in 2010; and three with respect to complaints filed in 2011,” the seven-memberbody reported.
    The authority lamented that in spite of meetings with both the Commissioner of Police and the Attorney General with a view to improving the situation, there had been none.
    “The time between when a complaint is made to the authority and when the matter is resolved is far too long,” insisted the tribunal, which was established by an Act of Parliament. It said that sometimes a response was not received for over two years, and generally, the reply was simply that the matter was investigated by a senior officer and no wrongdoing was found.”
    The PCA noted that the act provided for it to deal with complaints directly.
    “However, the procedure set out in the act, requires that generally, it is the duty of the police to carry out the initial investigation and then have the findings communicated to the authority. The failure of the police to carry out the investigations adversely affects the works of the authority,” complained the body.
    It pointed out that frequent complaints made were of unprofessional conduct, as well as the abuse of power by police officers when dealing with members of the public.
    “The present system with its delays and lack of action can only cause frustration to complainants. The authority recognized that many complaints concern matters which are not of a very serious nature; and which are well suited to be disposed of summarily.
    “The authority should be able, without having to rely on the police, to investigate less serious matters; to summon the parties and their witnesses, take evidence and bring an end to the matter in a reasonable time,” the PCA added.
    Chairman of the authority, retired High Court judge Leroy Inniss, said in the annual report that it had recommended the legislation be amended to permit the tribunal to deal summarily with these cases.
    Chairman Inniss suggested that this would have the effect of disposing of matters without delay and thus ensuring greater satisfaction of the public. He disclosed that the authority had set up a committee to review the act, to make recommendations considered necessary.(EJ)


  6. newblood October 29, 2013 at 5:11 AM #


    if Dottin knew all along that there was dirt hanging over his head, why was he challenging PSC to send him on leave? I am just a small fry, and I had heard of the part he played in withholding correspondence issued by the psc to members of the force. I had heard of the wire tapping. I have a police friend and every time I give him a call to discuss local issues he would say I don’t want to discuss that. I believe that he believes that his phone is bugged too. This is a sad day in the history of Barbados. A secret can only be kept if if u who only know about it. The bible says what is done in the darkness will be revealed in the light.


  7. ac October 29, 2013 at 5:36 AM #

    let me make myself clear ac is in no way indicating that “if : DT was in any way form or fashion involved in wrong doing that evidence of that nature should not be brought to public attention,,,,However the substantial cost to taxpaers would be astronomical to which might amount to nothing of real value, just take a look at Trindidad on going efforts to get at the bottom of the Clico issue ,,biilons of dollars at the taxpaers expense and nothing earthshattering to the satisfaction of the cost has happened, I believe that letting the Courts handled this goriilaphant would be more approtiate and all that should be transparent would be revealed said and done , rather than govt digging themselves into a financial hole with no end in sight in an attempt to resolve which is clear by any standard corporate corruption intertwined by govt misconduct,.


  8. newblood October 29, 2013 at 6:04 AM #


    did u miss me from the site. Girl I see amused supporting you, and your boyfriend dropping some lashes in your behind. Ah see Mia in this mess. Yah don’t think the leaking of this document was to silence her. It was done at a strategic time with her talk about signatures and her foolish inept attempt at a no confidence motion, no wonder her senior parliamentarians kept quiet in the house. Do u think that they knew of the document and were in face saving mood.


  9. Amused October 29, 2013 at 7:20 AM #

    @ac | October 29, 2013 at 5:36 AM | Excellent. Well said. If the Government is going to spend millions/billions of dollars investigating something which, at the end of the day, will likely not succeed in financially assisting the CLICO investors (as opposed to policy holders) then they might be better advised to take that money and reimburse the CLICO investors, at least in part. Otherwise, leave it, as you point out, to the courts.

    I also think it appropriate to point out that investment always contains an element of risk, except where things like treasury bills and other government-backed (as opposed to santioned) investments are concerned. Back in 2004, the people who advise me on my very small savings, recommended CLICO to me to maximize my return. I pondered about it for a long time. Indeed, I even lost sleep over it. Finally, I concluded that if something looks too good to be true, it usually is and I declined to invest in CLICO. My point is that when you invest, as in CLICO, there is always an element of risk. Whether that risk arises out of fraud or fiscal mismanagement is a factor of that risk. It is therefore down to the courts to determine if fraud has occurred. Then, restitution can be sought. While I most sincerely empathise and sympathise with the CLICO investors, some of them my family members, I am not sure there is all that much the government can do and am most interested, from a family point of view primarily, to see what transpires.

    But this thread deals with the CoP, unlawful invasion and violation of people right to privacy and the expectation of such, in a way that has all the hallmarks of the methods of Herr Hitler against whom we fought a world war costing many millions of lives so that, inter alia, such an abuse of human rights could not occur again. It is now also about the delinquency of the Barbados press and commenters, both here and on Facebook, in reporting and commenting on the matter.

    @David. I am always happy to cut David Ellis some slack. He always appears to me to make best efforts, given the constraints and corporate guidelines under which he works. Would there were more like him in what is laughing called “the Press”.


  10. newblood October 29, 2013 at 8:12 AM #


    I have to watch u and AC, why r u two in such a harmonious relationship/ Boy I smell a rat.


  11. Amused October 29, 2013 at 8:21 AM #

    @newblood | October 29, 2013 at 8:12 AM | My support of ac is nothing new. We gave agreed and disagreed for YEARS!!! Like marriage. And no, I have not the slightest idea who she is.


  12. ac October 29, 2013 at 8:28 AM #

    Amused true what u said about investment and built in risk. HOWEVER the govt backed these companies and most people who do not have a financial background rely on govt advice in purchasing these policies an there is where the responsibily lies . as i listened to the policyholders complaint over and over again there issue with govt lies soley that they were given bad advice.Now as far as they are concerned govt is cupalable an should pay . Understandly so


  13. newblood October 29, 2013 at 8:31 AM #


    was pulling your leg. By the way I read something earlier in one your blogs where u reference the public service act and the code of discipline as regards dottin, but u fail to reference the constitution and the power of the gg to set up an enguiry, which I know would be a costly exercise.

    By the way, what do u think that is going to happen to Mia, will there be another coup and who will attempt it, How will she handle this pr exercise, I am sure the govt is going to use the knowledge to discredit her, and how would she respond,


  14. checkit-out October 29, 2013 at 8:34 AM #

    Thanks David;
    The balance of the revelations consistently suggests that the former CoP has a very serious case to answer and should have been charged and that the relatively recent PSC action probably saved him from deep doo.

    However, also noted that the first article was by Wade Gibbons. Hardly, as we now know, an entirely dispassionate observer re. this case.


  15. checkit-out October 29, 2013 at 8:39 AM #

    Newblood / Blogger2012;
    Good to see you back. Quite reasonable points as usual.


  16. newblood October 29, 2013 at 8:39 AM #


    the govt don’t back insurance policies. Companies operate within a regulatory framework, Govt has a responsibility to ensure that insurance companies maintain the statutory reserves and that is where its responsibility lies, Such reserves would not be enough to compensate policy holders. Investment is about risk. About ten years ago, I invested five thousand dollars in bnb property funds and ten year after, the investment aint even value 4500 hundred dollars, that’s a risk I took,


  17. Gabriel October 29, 2013 at 8:41 AM #

    All the nastiness of the Destructive Lying Party is exposed by its Fatted Calf Brigade on this blog.I had the misfortune to work with two such animals and instead of focusing on the aims and objectives of the corporation and its mission statement,all they did was politicise every decision made by the board and set up every block and hindrance to frustrate management at every turn because they saw themselves as untouchable and protected by the then PM.
    Eventually,one was fired and disgraced and the other was allowed to ride into the sunset…… without a horse!Ah fraid de dems,dey bad!


  18. Rational Thinking October 29, 2013 at 9:07 AM #

    Mottley is her biggest enemy in her raw rush and greed for power she continues to expose herself to what people hate most about politicians the urgency to be in the office as a govt and in her case hoping to be a PM.
    PM’s are not ones who operate by listening to private phone calls to mothers fathers sons and daughters, that is not the hallmark of a honest PM, PM’s do not beat and bite up their bed mates and more importantly do not stalk and pounce on innocent young ladies as this thing is known to do.
    PM material operate at a level that is beyond the eavesdropping and installing girlfriends in jobs outside of the capabilities of these said girlfriends who then are paid grossly above their worth or value with some being paid Bdos $ 30,000.00 per month and the only service that they provided was to perform sexual favours to please Mottley.

    She may feel being a Mottley has set her apart from the rest within the BLP to be PM but it issues that very belief of a Mottley entitlement that Arthur has fought to quell, his speech from Cave Hill was to me the most damaging and most destructive acts carried out against someone in the same party that I have ever witnessed.

    Mottley is now rated as a liability and a power hungry beast and as such will not be considered or seen as someone who can win an election with so the party will do what must be done to secure sensible, steady and sincere and sober leadership to the BLP it will not be Mottley she is too scary look at this Dottin affair and you have to go no further as to why she is unfit to be PM but also as to why she is unfit to be in the house of Parliament and why she is fit to be sent to Dodds Prison.


  19. old onion bags October 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM #

    @ Gabriel
    I glad that you notice it tooo……see how they fester and entertain themselves wid NUTTINS….where ac live a queen D smiles and chuckles in comfort….truth is the reality of the situation is that the Democratic Labour Party cannot run the affairs of Barbados. But now its a Dottin and Mia witch hunt… again DLP omens pleasing themselves…why not no harm dun..
    Go get some firewood….mount a bonfire in Hero’s Square do…hesitate no mo….

    They have tried and tried everything else but they have failed miserably every time. If this were sports: cricket; football; basketball , Rounders – the DLP would have been dropped ever-since. The simple reality is that whenever the DLP is in Government , we struggle. Somebody said to give them a chance in 2008. Then somebody said we have to give them 5 years to finish what they started and true to form they are finishing what they started. They started to destroy Barbados, picking up from where they left off in 1994 and they were given 5 more years to finish the job.

    The simple fact of the matter is that things are easier for people under the Barbados Labour Party. Can anyone dispute this simple fact. it is Truth . It is empirical evidence. It is unchallenged . Barbadians have to stop voting for Party for party sake and vote for the best Party of individuals to run the affairs of Barbados. Stop playing the partisan political game and face reality.

    The DLP has consistently failed. Please stop giving them a chance , hoping that will come good. Their approach is wrong and they have tried and will continue to try and it will not work unless there is fundamental change there. Please Barbados please forget partisan politics and elect the persons who can get the job done. We are not interested in their Bedroom business. We dont care about the other extraneous matters. Nobody is perfect. We must employ those who have the greatest competency to do the job. Please Barbados I plead with you , stop voting for individuals because they belong to your x party or Y party . You do not owe them any thing. Elect those who can get the job done. We are gambling with the DLP. its a game of chance, but then again , we are a nation of lotteries sand one arm bandits They the DLP have proven time and time again that they cannot get the job done. They simply cannot get it done. It seems that they will never ever get it done. Please Barbados please. On this 24th day of October , I plead with you. I plead , I plead, I plead. Oh my people , lets save ourselves and the next generation.We cannot be so stupid as to give up our country to folly. The DLP would be glad to give up the Government. They were not sure about winning in 2013 and its a burden on them, so they must look up the book of witches DISTRACTIONS……keep the people minds on ANYTHING ELSE….Quix ac..anything but IMF and our true position….


  20. ac October 29, 2013 at 9:26 AM #

    So u see here is/another example where my words are being misinterpreted when i say ” bacK” it is not used in the sense of having a stake or investment in the company. The word in other terms can be used as a form of given verbal or written credibilty to a person or scource or to vouche .from what i have read and heard the policy holders used such to forward their concerns as being misled.


  21. BAFBFP October 29, 2013 at 9:37 AM #

    This is pretty damning stuff … Wonder how David got his hands on it ..Hmmm! What the public deserves is a sense of fair play. If a senior officer is found to have broken the law, is found to have run afoul of the public’s trust, that senior officer should be made an example of … all this mention of preserving pension


  22. newblood October 29, 2013 at 9:44 AM #

    @old onions

    after five moths away from this blog, I return to find you writing the same poop over and over, the got mia by she balls and they are going to cut them off


  23. old onion bags October 29, 2013 at 9:48 AM #

    ……I like to hear people just running their mouts……Like we ent living in Bdos……where tings like CLICO….$3.3 duz find their way unda d carpet EZ and QUIX just so…den nuttin mo lol lol….What Dottin what… man gimma a breakk do…..go and pay Barrcak he money do…..whaloss


  24. old onion bags October 29, 2013 at 9:53 AM #

    Wait Blogger 2o12…..dat is U? What strange wind bring you out chile?…..Dun kno onions duz HOLD A STEADY LINE…….poop wat….Lat time me and U had it…..ya run and change ya name….wait now is wha ?Newblood…..Oh I see….If it works…LOL


  25. Gabriel October 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM #

    The fact that the ‘mainstream media’have ignored the PSC report,so called,is no surprise to me.I have given my two cents worth on it already and would just add that I found it thrashy,puerile and fit for file 13,the garbage bin.
    If the Commissioner Dottin was judged by his superiors to be vindictive,uncooperative,difficult to work with and that his management style was out of synch with the legitimate expectations of his superiors,he should be dealt with in a manner befitting the high regard Barbados places on the office of Commissioner of Police.Many are called,few are chosen.
    To berate him and subject him to public ridicule is counter productive and only serves to further polarize this country.
    What is clear is that Barbados is alive with novices and nincompoops holding
    powerful positions for which they were never and will not ever be prepared nor fit to sit in judgement on anybody and God help those who are unfortunate enough to have them decide their fate.
    Let justice prevail though the heavens fall


  26. David October 29, 2013 at 10:35 AM #



    Whether you agree with the report or not can’t be the issue for the traditional media To ignore. It is news!


  27. newblood October 29, 2013 at 11:28 AM #


    u cant run me anywhere. I have as a policy to change my blogging name ever so often and by the dawn of 2014, I will have a new one. site. u still talking poop.

    Deal with the issue of cop sand mia u ninconpoop.


  28. enuff October 29, 2013 at 11:51 AM #

    Newblood he is writing poop because the government is still doing poop.


  29. newblood October 29, 2013 at 11:55 AM #


    u mean the cop breach one of our fundamental rights and u r saying the report is foolishness, I bet u that he goes, regretfully he will not be prosecuted, I guess this will turn out like how owen had the fbi report and he could not act because of the consequences for some politicians. I believe that I should be able to use my phone and not being monitored, unless I am involved in crime or of national interest, let us be rational on this issue. Is there any consequence for lime in the monitoring issue. I have a friend and for years she was saying that her phone is being monitored, am I now to believe her. thank god for the magic jac where we can discuss certain issues.



  30. ac October 29, 2013 at 12:43 PM #

    LIL boy rotten onions .if you yardfowls want to spend 10million to spy on DT be my guest but leave taxpayers money alone. Anybody in legal work can attest to he fact that a great chunck of that money is connected with the business. nothing sinster. however in wunna quest to Overlook OSA misconduct by cheque wunna running wunna mouths about DT cheque for legal payment for his business and associates wunna think people fool.


  31. newblood October 29, 2013 at 1:13 PM #


    fair game. the govt inherit the dodo from ur govt hence that is why it is doing poop. Hope u satisfied with the response, or u want to engage me in dodo. Got to go shopping u sound just like the republicans, the people did not think the guys were doing poop and u had predicted they were going to get one term Sorry they have two terms to do poop yah year

    u like u like punishment. yah betta leave me before ac eat yah Don’t attack we govt, we is yard fowls that can only use a little of we brain, but can spraddle out people like u. got to run.


  32. old onion bags October 29, 2013 at 2:02 PM #


    the best thing you and all D overseas hotdogs can do… is to send home some remittances to help out na families here in your newly brandished poopsie land…..the resta poo you can keep for the republicans….AND YOU did RUN and seek a new moniker….lol


  33. Gabriel October 29, 2013 at 4:44 PM #

    I may be wrong of course but it looks like the trad media think like I.Makes sense to me, scout.


  34. David October 29, 2013 at 6:35 PM #


    The traditional media marches to the beat of a drum.

    On 29 October 2013 20:44, Barbados Underground


  35. David October 30, 2013 at 6:08 AM #

    The embargo which traditional media puts on information coming from BU does not not stop the info from getting out, in fact what it does is that the word travels in the underground. It exposes the hypocrisy because most if not all of the moderators on VoB for example follow BU but they get on the show and parade as if they are the last paragons of what is best for transparency and honesty. Roy Morris picks up a video from Facebook (so what is the difference?)Does anyone remember the 3S story? BU started the buzz about this company which was Incorporated with 5 employees to manage the overpass and highway projects. Months passed before the Nation picked it up. The traditional media in Barbados is a farce and it is the inspiration which BU uses to keep on keep on.

    On another note BU noticed that the Nation dropped “professor” from Avinash Persaud’s name in its last report.


  36. newblood October 30, 2013 at 7:19 AM #

    @old rotten onions

    do u know when a rotten onion mixed with dodo, what it smell like? So for your envious ways. You could not even congratulate CC for producing such a bright child, because u were not able to produce one with brains. But, then, again that is how u B’s operate. Why don’t u go and help MIa with a PR exercise to get out of that poop.

    Yah want mah to send u a few dollars to help with the PR exercise or u want mah to devise a strategy.

    your dodo blogger.


  37. millertheanunnaki October 30, 2013 at 8:11 AM #

    @ David | October 30, 2013 at 6:08 AM |

    Despite their denials all moderators, journalists, politicians and their cronies read BU for “enlightenment”. Even David Ellis made reference to the PSC report which has been highlighted on BU.

    BTW, have you heard what the PM of St. Lucia said about many of the countries in the region? It appears more of them are becoming failed economic entities and in need of outside help.
    Is this his way of saying these countries (including his own St. Lucia) would soon be heading to the IMF to manage their economic and fiscal affairs? Maybe he is predicting the immediate destiny of Bim which seem to be the current economic basket when compared to its once lofty title of “Little Titan of the Region”.


  38. old onion bags October 30, 2013 at 8:25 AM #

    …..bah looka newblood…wants to revisit old blood…..what do you expect doah..MAM tried it , i.e extending D olive branch….but NO….like a true onna dem, you looking to provoke dis ole man…Is ok…I gine stand still and watch for salvation…..unna won’t learn…you ent smell nuttin yet wait till nxt year when the Lagrase entourage land….Is den you gine wish for onions


  39. old onion bags October 30, 2013 at 8:40 AM #

    On the Carson matter…..I hear of a Carolyn Cadogan student of UWI.. has distinguished herself and family by doing well academically Question is who really is dis CCC moniker on BU….At one time we hearing he is Reudon Eversley….. he even went on record sayin how OSA went all out to disproportion him…Since whenhowthen CCC is the father of learned young lady?…Head ent made only to wear hat ya know..

    You see you, CCC and all unna desperate cohorts…unna true to form…..I ent forget the bus riding pensioner yet….morning stories and evening news don’t adding UP !

    Desperate Lying Party(ies)…dun kno…


  40. Rational Thinking October 30, 2013 at 9:55 AM #

    David you are so right about Danos 3 S a criminal brought her to rape taxpayers a man that is in court in nearly every country he worked in and created a JAMAICA KICKBACK AGREEMENT to pay a Gibson and a Mission Hibbert nearly one million sterling brought here by another dishonest crab in Steve Hobson, Hallam Nicholls and Bizzy Williams .
    The other question is what happens next to Dottinvand to Mottley with this phone bugging fiasco, the Commission seems to be making way for legal proceedings to begin against him.


  41. Common sense is not common October 30, 2013 at 9:56 AM #


    I agree with everything you said in your post at 6:08.

    Other than the disgusting maligning of innocent persons by some on this site there have been positive articles and very good information on this blog site that the traditional media should acknowledge the source (BU) and run with it.


  42. millertheanunnaki October 30, 2013 at 10:18 AM #

    .@ Common sense is not common | October 30, 2013 at 9:56 AM |
    “Other than the disgusting maligning of innocent persons by some on this site there have been positive articles”

    Would you agree that the contribution @ Rational Thinking | October 30, 2013 at 9:55 AM | meets the all criteria of “disgusting maligning” to fit your example of negativity and lies?
    For example you “commonsense is not so common”, have also perpetuated the slanderous lie about MAM ordering the former CoP to wire tap and spy of others. Are you aware (as balance was at pains to point out) that MAM ceased being the AG prior to the period the telecommunication technology capable of doing such was made available. You even engaged in further maligning by implying that MAM as leader of the Opposition was able to instruct and control the actions of the CoP.

    So you too, my morally upright friend, are guilty of the same charge of “disgusting maligning of innocent persons”. Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones!


  43. Common sense is not common October 30, 2013 at 10:22 AM #

    Welcome back Miller.Nice to have you around.

    Dottin was Mia’s stooge so whether she was A.G. or Leader of the opposition once Dottin was Commissioner Mia still had the power of control.


  44. Gabriel October 30, 2013 at 10:45 AM #

    I am yet to grasp your concern about the mainstream media not publishing
    items you think they ought to publish.If the laws of Barbados can be changed to remove the fear of having to look over one’s shoulder,there might be a change in the thinking of ms media.Meanwhile,I am informed by much of what I read on BU and were it not for your indulgence I would be much less informed and unable to add to a discussion when certain itmes are not in the ms media.Your efforst are appreciated and shared with colleagues and other interested parties and who are now more savvy owing to BU.
    Meanwhile Hilary Beckles and Michael Howard continue to inform us via ms media of the real politik and this adminitration’s approach to management of our resources.Damning indeed!


  45. balance October 30, 2013 at 11:59 AM #

    “The other question is what happens next to Dottinvand to Mottley with this phone bugging fiasco, the Commission seems to be making way for legal proceedings to begin against him”
    I await the pursuance of these legal proceedings with bated breath but less i be misconstrued let me state that i am not supporting any wrong doing by a persMr Dottin but i again i reiterate that Mr Dottin ought to have been accorded procedural fairness as relates tonatural justice


  46. newblood October 30, 2013 at 12:14 PM #


    you can say all u want, mr dottin ought to be glad he might retain his pension, which he should not, but I believe the lodge factor is at work. what say ye?


  47. balance October 30, 2013 at 1:30 PM #

    i say that Mr Dottin unfortunately has been already tried and judgment determined by the police service commission. My question is whether they are procedurally correct to so determine. what say ye?

    also he has been tried speculatively in the court of public opinion as a result of a leaked report. The issue is not whether he is guilty or not guilty of the allegaof the allegatins but whether the the allegations can now stand up in court as a result of the of the in the court of public opinion as a resul of


  48. balance October 30, 2013 at 1:40 PM #

    whether the allegations can now stand up in a real court of law having been already adjudicated in the mock bu court of publicopinion.The development of the law as it relates to natural justice and fairness opins thus” The law has now developed to a point where where it may be accepted that there is a common law duty to act fairly , in the sense of according to procedural fairness, in the making of administrative decisions which affect rights,,interests and legitimate expectations subjet only to the clear manifestatation of a contrary intention. The question Newblood -was thMr Dottin given the right to be heard before a report charging himwith ‘Criminalty” wafound its way in the public domain


  49. newblood October 30, 2013 at 2:16 PM #

    Oh how we have double standards. We tried DT for a cheque. We tried Leroy Parris in the Court of public opinion, so who is Dottin that he cant be tried in the court of public opinion. he is entitled to due process, and if he feels that he has been wronged, he is a trained lawyer and he knows what he has to do, but remember who the cap fits, let him wear it. He would best advised to take the cheque; that is his gratuity and his pension and go into sunset, He will not resume the position of COP, What goes around, must come around, U remember that MIa unfairly promoted him ahead of Bertie HInds. bertie left the force with his creditability, while DOTTIN will leave disgraced. He has caused to the damage to the force.


  50. Rational Thinking October 30, 2013 at 3:23 PM #

    Mottley had some training workshops last weekend done by Alex McDonald, Ian Walcott, Sutherland’s wife.

    The idea was training people how to use the Social media.

    The message that she wants out there is that by March we will be in the IMF’s hands. What has caused some concern among many Bs is her telling them that that by January things will start to improve so they do not have much time to deliver a message of Gloom and Doom as pronounced by Mottley.

    Clearly some who are even staunch die hard B’s are seeing that she is prepared to damage this country at any cost to get what she wants that is POWER. And CONTROL of the Leadership of this island at all costs.

    All the while others are seriously wondering why Owen and Kerrie and Payne and Marshall and Forde and Bostic and Prescott and many others did not speak on the No-Confidence motion, maybe because there is a No Confidence motion of their own against the joker Mottley.


  51. balance October 30, 2013 at 6:32 PM #

    “He will not resume the position of COP, What goes around, must come around, U remember that MIa unfairly promoted him ahead of Bertie HInds”.

    I was under the impression that Mr Dottin would have been appointed by the GG, acting on the advice of the Police Service Commission after it had consulted with the PM. Unlike the installation of Mr Griffith to the post; there is no evidence to substantiate the view that Ms Mottley handpicked Mr Dottin like Mr Griffith was handpicked having showed no interest in the post of Deputy.


  52. balance October 30, 2013 at 6:42 PM #

    “We tried DT for a cheque. We tried Leroy Parris in the Court of public opinion, ”

    true New blood but Owen Arthur as well for the campaign cheque and was found guilty by the electorate as a result of a successful prosecution by DT who on the other hand has been immortalised for his involvement in the CLICO affair which unlike Owen Arthur’s misdemeanour has brought untold suffering and stress to thousands of Barbadians and this, in cahoots with his business partner who has continued to live large and in charge with the blessings of the administration.


  53. balance October 30, 2013 at 6:44 PM #

    “Oh how we have double standards. We tried DT for a cheque. We tried Leroy Parris in the Court of public opinion, so who is Dottin that he cant be tried in the court of public opinion”

    but neither DT or Mr Parris was officially charged with criminality or removed from their posts.


  54. Gabriel October 30, 2013 at 6:57 PM #

    Has anyone heard any news of the state of health of Hal Gollop?The Nation carried an article that he was hospitalised but I haven’t seen any update.News anyone?


  55. checkit-out October 30, 2013 at 7:25 PM #

    Balance; Yuh shotting tonight! Good points!


  56. old onion bags October 30, 2013 at 8:04 PM #

    …………….tired of people just running they mout just because of so…..what charge Dottin what…..Did they charge Branford?…..did they find the Deloitte report yet?….did they hold Leroy accountable?… wanna cud really go at cheffete and eat some ice cream…..


  57. balance October 30, 2013 at 10:13 PM #

    9. (1) Officers shall conduct themselves in a manner that will ensure the efficient and effective discharge of their duties.
    (2) Officers shall comply with restrictions on their political activities in accordance with this Act or Regulations.
    (3) Public officers shall conscientiously perform their duties and obligations and impartially assist, advise and carry out the lawful policies of the Government.
    10. (1) Officers shall not, without authority, disclose official information that has been communicated in confidence within the Ministry or department, or received in confidence from others.
    (2) Officers shall maintain official records
    (a) Where a failure to do so would amount to a grave injustice; or
    Use of public funds.
    S.I. 1971
    No. 46.
    Conflict of interest
    Actions to instill confidence.
    Records and non-disclosure of information.
    (b) as required by this Act or Regulations made there under or by any other law.
    (3) Noting in this Code should be taken as overriding existing statutory or common law obligations to keep confidential, or not to disclose, certain information.
    (4) Officers shall not seek to frustrate or influence the policies, decisions or actions of Ministers, or of the Government by the unauthorised, improper or premature disclosure outside the Service of any information to which they have had access as officers.
    11. (1) Where an officer believes that he is being required to act in a way that:
    (a) is illegal, improper, or unethical;
    (b) is in breach of an accepted convention or a professional code;
    (c) may involve possible maladministration; or
    (d) is otherwise inconsistent with this Code,
    that officer shall report the matter in accordance with procedures laid down in the appropriate guidelines or rules of conduct for that officer’s Ministry or Department or in accordance with the provisions of the relevant law.
    (2) An officer shall report to his Head of Department or where the matter involves the Head of Department, the Head of the Public Service
    (a) evidence of any criminal or unlawful activity by others, in accordance with the relevant procedures; or
    (b) instances of breaches of this Code of which he becomes aware.
    12. Where an officer has reported a matter referred to in paragraph 11 in accordance with the relevant procedures and believes that the response does not represent a reasonable response to the grounds of his concern, the officer may report the matter in writing to the Service Commission.


  58. balance October 30, 2013 at 10:23 PM #

    BRIDGETOWN, Barbados, Friday September 3, 2010 – Barbados’ Police Commissioner is facing four charges of professional misconduct but he has signalled his intention to fight the “untrue” allegations to the end.

    The Police Service Commission (PSC) has accused Darwin Dottin of: stating a falsehood, that a suspended police sergeant did not have use of a Government car while on suspension; requesting that disciplinary charges against that same officer be dropped despite being told the matter was sub judice (being heard by the court); disclosing official information from Jamaica’s Deputy Commissioner of Police Waynemore Hinds to a local newspaper editor who used the information in a story published on March 25th; and repeated failures to brief Deputy Commissioner of Police Bertie Hinds when proceeding on leave.

    The PSC reportedly took the action following complaints from Deputy Commissioner Hinds.

    But Commissioner Dottin has hit back in an affidavit filed in the High Court to get an injunction against PSC taking any action.

    He called the claims “untrue” and “trivial” and made an allegation of his own – that the PSC was biased when dealing with issues submitted by him and his deputy.

    “They invariably act on those of Deputy Commissioner Hinds,” Dottin charged.

    He further described what he said was Hinds’ continuous attempts to make complaints to the PSC as “an unnecessary and unfortunate distraction that ultimately takes the attention of the senior command of the force away from its core responsibilities of keeping the country safe”.

    As for the allegation that he gave official information to the Nation newspaper’s Tim Slinger, the Police Commission said he did not understand what the problem was since there was nothing confidential about the information and it had already been published in the Jamaica media.

    This is not the first time that the public would have seen the two most senior officers in the Royal Barbados Police Force openly disagreeing.

    Back in March, Hinds said he had decided to grant the requisite licences for promoters who were bringing in Jamaican dancehall artistes Vybz Kartel and Mavado. But Commissioner Dottin, who said he learned of the decision via radio, said he had not made any such decision and that his deputy had breached protocol.

    The show was eventually cancelled.

    Read more:


  59. balance October 30, 2013 at 10:39 PM #




    [HIGH COURT – CIVIL SUIT NO. 927 OF 1992 Waterman, J.) November
    24, December 8, 14, 1992; December 28, 1993; March 28, 29, December 30, 1994]
    (1994) 30 Barb. L.R. 416

    Judicial review – Judicial review proceedings under Administrative
    Justice Act, I09B – Whether principles of natural justice breached when applicant,
    an Assistant Superintendent of Police, was suspended without a hearing prior
    to commencement of an investigation to determine whether disciplinary charges
    should be brought against him – Whether proposal by Police Service Commission
    to conduct the investigation was contrary to law, an excess of jurisdiction
    and a breach of the rules of natural justice.

    Facts: The applicant Tyrone Griffith was an Assistant Superintendent
    of Police in the Royal Barbados Police Force. On March 14, 1991 an Acting Inspector
    of Police and two detectives visited the Holetown Police Station where the applicant
    worked to interview him about a car racket fraud which involved cars shipped
    out of England into Barbados. Investigations had revealed that the applicant
    had purchased one of these cars. The applicant refused to see the Assistant
    Superintendent and the detectives and ordered them to leave his office. It was
    alleged that the applicant’s manner was aggressive and that he spoke loudly.
    It was alleged that after the Assistant Superintendent stepped out of the applicant’s
    office the applicant chucked him and continued shouting disparaging remarks.

    The matter was reported to the Commissioner of Police who ordered an immediate
    investigation. The matter was viewed as serious and as constituting a gross
    embarrassment to the Government of Barbados and the Royal Barbados Police. Consequently,
    the Deputy Commissioner, acting in accordance with the Service Commissions (Police
    Service) Regulations, 1964, recommended to the Police Service Commission that
    the applicant be suspended from active duty pending completion of the investigation.
    On April 10, 1991, the applicant was suspended on half-pay; on November 19,
    1991, the applicant was advised that he id be charged for two offences against
    the discipline of the Force, and on December 20, 1991 that an investigation
    would be carried out in. respect of the charges. On June 2, 1992 the applicant
    brought judicial review proceedings under the Administrative Justice Act, Cap.
    109B on the grounds that the decision to suspend him and pay him half of his
    salary was contrary to law, an excess of the Commission’s jurisdiction and a
    breach of the principles of natural justice.

    Held: (i) Section 17(1)(b) of the Service Commissions (Police Service)
    Regulations, 1964 gave the Police Service Commission the power to recommend
    the Governor-General. The applicant’s subsequent suspension was done in the

    interest of good administration and was not done to punish him, but was merely
    a holding operation until the Commission determined whether or not disciplinary
    charges ought to be instituted;

    (ii) there was no need for the court to imply a right to be heard at the stage
    before a recommendation was made by the Commission to suspend the applicant
    as there was no unfairness at that stage. There was also no unfairness when
    the Commissioner formed his opinion. The principles of natural justice did not
    apply at the suspension stage, but at the tribunal stage;

    (iii) the Commission did not fail to perform its statutory 14(3) of the Service
    Commissions (Police Service) Regulations, 1964. It was of the opinion that the
    disciplinary offence of discreditable conduct might have been committed and
    did not consider it necessary to refer the Solicitor General for advice in accordance
    with the provisions of regegulation 14(3);

    (iv) at the stage of exercise of its powers under regulation (17)(1)(b) it
    was the duty of the Commission to act fairly, that is, not in a corrupt manner.
    And to satisfy itself before so acting that the question relating to the suspension
    of the applicant appeared to have properly arisen from the report before it.
    In the applicant’s case both the Commissioner and the Commission acted fairly
    in the exercise of their powers under regulation 17(1)(b);

    (v) however, the Commission omitted to act with expedition accordance with
    the proper construction of regulation 13(2) of the Regulations continued to
    drag on to the detriment and prejudice of the applicant. In that light it was
    only fair and reasonable that the applicant be paid, with all due dispatch,
    the full amount of the salary which he would have received if he had not been
    suspended until disciplinary or other proceedings against him were completed.


  60. erice October 31, 2013 at 7:23 AM #

    Balance you have double standards ,where have the mahogany trees that was cut down at nupw gone ,who sold them ,did you repay the funds that u used to go to cuba , did you not selected the current treasurer to cover for DENNIS and WALTER underhand doings ,but she has now turned and see the light —-do u recall the things that you are about to cover up for ctusab as they external auditor —things such as the using of government fu nds to pay wages and salaries ,allowances to CEDRIC MURRELL and DENNIS DEPEIZA and rent at jemmotts layne and cell phone bills for the executive members —were any financial statements presented at the last BI-ANNUAL meeting —balance you need to tell us that the same rules you presented here that you broke every one of them —you was and you are still wearing two shirts ,you have just turn them around —you blue is to the front now and the RED to the back now –in febuary the RED was to the front and the BLUE to the back –but you do get mix up for you don’t know which party you really support –you are a politicalunionist pimp –you are like a terrorist ,you have no home base ,MONEY talks no wonder DENNIS and WALTER are your accomplishes .


  61. Cin Cin October 31, 2013 at 7:43 PM #

    Question………….. Will Dottin be on leave until he retires??


  62. Rational Thinking November 1, 2013 at 5:09 PM #

    Anyone listened to the Minister of Finance he not long ago ?

    It is now abundantly clear not only the charge of Wire Tapping and Eavesdropping the only dishonest act she has been involved in but it is also being reported that Mottley has not been paying what is due to the VARIOUS office on both Pelican Football and her billings Four Seasons being one such case, now this is the same one who even while crying down the use of NIS funding for Four Seasons is the very same one and the first to draw her cheques from Four Seasons after the injection of the NIS Funds into the project, what are left to believe about this vicious woman beater and FRAUD and Vagabond oh let’s not forget that she is a Mottley do I need to say anything more ?


  63. newblood November 2, 2013 at 5:54 PM #


    you are like an ostrich burying your head in the sand. Who was the PM when Dottin was appointed. Didn’t the same Owen handpicked who he wanted promoted in the public service during his tenure. Do you see the GG refusing to appoint the PSC recommendation. Who choses the person to be appointed to the PSC.

    you want to discourse this topic let us go for it. You are the same person that pontificated that the PSC is a creature of the PM.


  64. balance November 2, 2013 at 8:15 PM #

    yes newblood since the 1974 constitutional amendments were passed into law by the Barrow administration promotions and appointments to most posts particularly senior ones in the public service must first have the blessing of the political directorate so that is not an issue but the issue with Mr Dottin’s tenure according to the allegations rests with Ms Mottley who is accused of aiding and abbetting Mr Dottin in his illegal wiretapping activities even of Mr Arthur or his chauffeur.


  65. newblood November 2, 2013 at 8:31 PM #


    I am happy that you will admit that dottin was a creature of mia and owen. and as I said what goes around comes around. In their haste to sideline bertie, they created a monster and now he is like an albatross around their necks.

    I though u said previously that the issue was, that he was tried in the court of public opinion r u now twisting your mouth. Please remember that my memory is very good and knowledge of the constitution is excellent when it comes to certain matter. He has a constitutional right to appeal any decision. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.


  66. balance November 5, 2013 at 6:20 AM #

    “He has a constitutional right to appeal any decision.”
    except the guilty verdict as evidenced by the general comments on BU and yours as well already handed down by the court of public opinion. Unfortunately, that verdict might very well play a role to Mr Dottin’s benefit in determining the outcome of the charges against Mr Dottin in a matter which is sub judice.


  67. pieceuhderockyeahright December 22, 2014 at 1:15 PM #

    @ Balance


    LATIN FOR UNDER JUDGEMENT a legal term related to the state where a matter is “under judicial consideration and therefore prohibited from public discussion elsewhere.”

    I am intrigued by Balance’s comments and his intimation that “the guilty verdict might work out to Commissioner Dottin’s benefit”

    I am intrigued for two reasons.

    The first being (i) what is being proposed to be in the public interest and (ii) what hindsight oft refers to as “the signs being on the wall”.

    I would ask you Mr. Balance to keep the penultimate paragraph of the PSC Report in front of you as you walk with me down the path of geology just a moment to a term – the Mohorovičić Discontinuity or more commonly known as the Moho.

    That Geological layer has given rise to a term in contemporary lingo (MOHO) which speaks to a state where solid/liquid/gas transmutes freely based on the presence OR absence of (threshold) energy to excite or retard the movement from solid ice, through liquid water to gaseous air.

    Once the particles have become gas THEY CANNOT RETURN TO less excitable (or controllable) liquid or solid states, sine the removal of that energy. (Much like the leggo beasts that the Democratic Labour Party has become)

    While it is obvious that the writers (plural) of this document are not of Shakespearean DNA (and noticeably do a stellar-ly poor job of their rendition of stating that “they will not mention particular things yet mentioning the unmentionables”) there are two sentences that smack of the making of a Reichsführer-SS a la Bulbados styling.

    “Impossible to discipline or prosecute and incumbent Commissioner of Police” followed by with “a pattern of legal gagging” emerging as the modus operandum of said Commissioner of Police.

    There is a place for the Watergates and Wikileaks of this world when those who we entrust to guard become the personification of what we are guarding against.

    SUB JUDICE or otherwise the state of being that this report by the Police Service Commission on the then Commissioner Dottin, purportedly aided and abetted by the then Attorney General, and current Leader of the Opposition Mia Amor Mottley potentially, if true, would have put us at a precipice and point of no return where elements in the Moho, meant to be solid or liquid, would have moved to a level of Gaseous Impunity, disguised as National Security, where even you, the current champion of “Under Judgement” matters for obvious scoundrels, would be without any privacy.

    We Bajans have cause to weep every single day as a result of the ineptitude of this current administration but, in light of these SUB JUDICE matters that have come to the fore in these times, when a COP under direction from and AG, can tap the phones of the Prime Minister (and his obscure driver) that is something that ALL of us in Bulbados need to be fearful of.

    What state of dictatorship are you “pledging allegiance to” Balance when things like this can be happening right under our noses and so-called patriots like me and you can sit down and quote SUB JUDICE in the face of borderline treason????



  1. Police Service Commission Should Have Passed Darwin Dottin’s File to the Director of Public Prosecutions to Seek His Arrest | Barbados Underground - November 2, 2013

    […] is one week  since the Police Service Commission Report to Retire Commissioner Darwin Dottin was released by BU and ignored by traditional media. How can anyone take the local media and the […]


Join in the discussion, you never know how expressing your view may make a difference.

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: Logo

You are commenting using your account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s


Get every new post delivered to your Inbox.

Join 3,681 other followers