Notes From a Native Son: A Nation with a Hollow Where Public Morality Ought to be

Hal Austin

Hal Austin

Introduction:
The political and economic failure of Barbados is like a slow motion car crash which onlookers are powerless to do anything about. As we look on, we can see the economy heading for a reinforced wall like a speeding, driverless car; we observe our leading institutions collapsing like a pack of over-used cards, while the high priests and priestesses of society preach about the solidity of these very flawed institutions. It is like Armageddon, we run screaming to the captains of industry, but there is nothing they can do; we plead with our politicians, but they are not listening; we ask our professionals for help, but they are pre-occupied with feathering their own nests. Repeating the growing lists of failings may hurt, but that is not like the pain felt by the marginalised, the disadvantaged, the outcasts. Like the man left on the floor of the hospital for four hours without any attention, then only to have a kind soul throw a sheet over him; like the man who collapsed at the wheel of his vehicle, only to find that calls for an ambulance could not be met – while the so-called Defence Force has an abundance of ambulances. Like a government refusing to pay Mr Barrack, while still pretending that it can engage in big capital projects.

Death of a Dream:
I seem to pinpoint the historical juncture when this rot set in when we started Barbadianising all our top management and public sector positions, regardless of the quality of the talent to fill those positions. This runs from the quality of programming at CBC, the leadership of our secondary schools and the nature of decision-making in the public sector. The only explanation is the rise of a petit-bourgeois nationalism in the years since constitutional independence which, in many ways, is driving the nation back in to the dark days of neo-colonial rule. The dominant belief now is that, no matter which political party one belongs to or support, this Barbadianisation of public sector jobs is a social priority over and above the quality of the service we deliver to the long-suffering public. In many ways, the irony is that this retreat in to a self-protective nationalism is taking place while the island itself is giving way to new forms of Barbadian-ness. This weakness is in most part an outcome of a weak public intellectual movement, as a reflection of the wider ruling elite. It is a small elite which has found it intellectually and politically cosy not challenging each other and accepting a consensus which is not ideologically tested in any way.

New Paradigm:
It is clear that one of the failures of constitutional independence has been the inability to craft a new paradigm to define the new society. The nearest we got, in terms of intellectual depth and social awareness, and indeed clarity, was the essay written by Austin ‘Tom’ Clarke in the independence issue of New World magazine in which he analysed the social and cultural symbolism of the canal that divided Combermere and Harrison College. Many young readers may not understand the significance of the great divide, but that moss-filled elaborate gutter between what is now the Transport Board and Harrison College stands for everything there is not to like about social class in Barbados.

Another feature of our society that is taken for granted is the notion of the Westminster/Whitehall model. Of course, it is not true; ours is a flawed democracy in which we exchange a semi-authoritarianism for a vote every five years; it is a society that pays lip service to human rights, to being meritocracy, to equal rights. None of these important issues are debated and defined by the ordinary people, or in parliament. A good example of this failure of democracy was the decision by Barrow to disestablish the church – no discussion, no demand – in order to spite Ernest D. Mottley, the Mayor of Bridgetown. In doing so Barrow also destroyed a tier of government that had, and would have continued to, strengthened our democracy. Our bicameral parliament is also out of synch with the grand model of Westminster/Whitehall. Others societies that have taken the same model have moved on: Ireland (now voting to get rid of the Upper House), New Zealand, and, of course, Scandinavia.

Vision:
Our major failing, especially in times of trouble, is the lack of a collective vision; of the kind of society we aspire to. At least the Americans have a dream, in Barbados, even our most audacious dream is more like a nightmare. Take for example, the great promise of constitutional independence was that we as citizens could shape the future of our nation ourselves. The unarticulated feature was that the traditional merchant class will dominate the business sector, while the African community, using its numerical dominance, will control the political. This has failed. There is an obligation too on the part of native white Barbadians to play an active role in elective, rather than just hide behind the canvas of business or whisper from the sidelines. At no time since constitutional independence have Barbadian politicians faced a battle of ideas, ideological differences have never crossed the boundaries of their inward-looking politics. The crudity of personality politics and the opportunism of expediency have always been the benchmarks of electability. Take the key issues, such as modernisation, the economic crisis, the bloated public payroll, education, the collapse of the criminal justice system – in none of these has there been opposing views, apart from the juvenile one of tuition fees. It is a politics that has drifted in to a comfort zone, with no energy, no passion, no commitment. In important areas that are crying out for clarity, such as the role of the state and its relations with individuals and firms, there is not a single word. Not even when the DLP government imposed charges on treatment at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital, breaking a social compact that went back for generation, there was not a whisper from the Opposition, from health workers, nor from a representative group of patients. In time, the New Barbadians will push both communities to one side and take control. I say within 25 years, many others put the time span a bit shorter.

But what are we to make of a situation in which within 24 hours of independence the former colonial governor became our first governor general, in which our police force became as Royal Barbados Police Force, and admittedly three years earlier, our general hospital became the Queen Elizabeth Hospital. It was as if the pride of constitutional independence has passed us by.

Analysis and Conclusion:
There is no grand narrative of our island story, no social and cultural historical guide through the highways and byways that brought us to where wee are. All there is is a romanticism, a fairy tale that satisfies our thirst for a story with a happy ending, whether it is that we are terribly well educated, that we are the best cricketers in the world, that we punch above our weight – whatever it is we must perform above our station, our place in the cosmos. Of course, since we have failed to develop a coherent political culture, we often have to fall back on personal abuse and political tribalism to fill the vacuum. But a culture of factionalism has become part of our social and political DNA, an easy way of defining who we are and our place in the narrow universe of Barbadian-ness. We live in a society that has lost its humanity, its empathy for the down and out, the unfortunate, the maimed and the just unfortunate.

From 3000 miles away, it looks as if Barbados has lost its heart, that it is an every man and woman for her/his self society. It is a society in which kindness is now seen as a moral weakness, where friends and relatives steal from each other like bandits and think nothing is morally wrong with such behaviour. It is a society in which it appears as if the church – but not mosques, temples or synagogues – has most its moral authority, has failed to give moral direction to the rest of society.

This nonchalance is the reaction of a people who are tired, worn out, exhausted, not sure where they are going or where they came from. It is a politics, a social narrative, in which inherited assumptions are allowed to drift along by succeeding generations without as much as a sceptical question.

Take the folly of ‘free’ education: this 1960s mantra, said by Errol Barrow as a platform gimmick, has become a kind of creed, a central part of our belief system that is not challenged by one side or the other. One of our great intellectuals even called it a social contract; what nonsense.

At a time when we should be debating the kind of educational system we need, fast-tracking the brightest and best, and providing adequate remedial lessons for those who are slow and in danger of being left behind, we are bogged down in a juvenile row about tuition fees.

At a time when we should be moving towards upgrading the status of teachers to the highest professional level, we have public sector unions involved in ragamuffin rows about class room power.

At a time when we should be devolving power and decision-making to school heads, we have some petty jobsworth, in their cheap suits and nylon shirts telling heads not to speak to the press without prior approval.

A nation that spends millions of dollars on educating young men and women sits silently by as these young people are left idle and hopeless hanging out on the block while the few who managed to get jobs pontificate on how best to punish these young people. Some of us weep quietly inside when we see the quality of the people who aspire to be our leaders, when we see the parents and children of our contemporaries, when we see our home towns and villages and how they have declined, and know within our hearts that there are so many of us who can do lots better.

Barbados does not deserve this level of greed, selfishness, and incompetence; a once outstanding island-state, a people with great pride and decency, now lay helpless on the altar of a putrid, talentless middle class of our own making.

Let me finish on an issue which I think symbolises this moral decay: not a single one of our members of parliament, in these tough times, the toughest since independence and may be since the abolition of slavery, has volunteered to take a symbolic salary cut, even though most of them have second and third salaries. This tells us all we want to know about those who aspire to be our leaders.

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74 Comments on “Notes From a Native Son: A Nation with a Hollow Where Public Morality Ought to be”

  1. David October 4, 2013 at 1:42 AM #

    How Barbados has lost its soul was discussed by Natefari Caddle, who has taken over as the leading talk show host in Barbados, just yesterday. The conclusion, misplaced values?

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  2. The People's Democratic Congress October 4, 2013 at 6:03 AM #

    “It is a small elite which has found it intellectually and politically cosy not challenging each other and accepting a consensus that has not been ideologically tested in any way” – taken from the above article.

    In a parody of some sorts of some of what the writer criticizes, as perhaps, unnecessary remnants of Barbados’ colonial past – the writer still writes in terms of a small elite.

    Let the PDC say it, there is no damn political elite at this time in the crucibles of this country, nor was there ever one. None whatsoever! Indeed, this social psychological misconception was often used during the dark colonial days, where the ruling classes and their minions used that type of language to create this myth that they were inherently socially superior better than the politically oppressed people of those times, and with the majority of the same oppressed people seeming to accept it.

    This silly term was even more used, more mythologized by many writers in many so-called liberal democratic, marxist, fascist and other genres of ideological sociological political postulations theorizations over the years.

    It is a real sickening thing too to even realize in some of the post colonial historiographic academic writings utterances of some assumed scholars of present day Barbados, that this wretched misconception is still used by them, with many of its improper overtones connotations reinforcements still raging.

    Once upon a time we used to falsely think of these so-called elites too. But thankfully today we have got the rid of the use of that foolishness. We thoroughly reject its use as signifying a socially inherently better more privileged people than all of the other classes of people in any so-called hierarchically structured class stratified societies of this world.

    As a matter of fact some Barbadians who still unwisely refer to those particular persons – alive or dead – synchronically or diachronically – as elites, must know that many of these same people were/are really social misfits and thugs, very wicked and corrupt, especially many of those who helped ruled the masses during the days of rampant European colonization.

    So, what outlandishness inexactness about “a small elite”!

    PDC

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  3. Sargeant October 4, 2013 at 6:34 AM #

    A good example of this failure of democracy was the decision by Barrow to disestablish the church – no discussion, no demand – in order to spite Ernest D. Mottley, the Mayor of Bridgetown. In doing so Barrow also destroyed a tier of government that had, and would have continued to, strengthened our democracy.

    ****************

    Huh? What? Still scratching my head

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  4. Hal Austin October 4, 2013 at 6:57 AM #

    @ Sargeant

    Missing in translation is…and abolish local government …” Which as a tier of government had, and would have continued to strengthen our democracy. This is uncontestable. That is why Thompson re-invented them with a different name, Constituency Councils.
    Mopttley’s social programme, from Park fod to clothing the poor and helping many secondary school children to even cash hand-outs was inventive.

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  5. Sid Boyce October 4, 2013 at 7:53 AM #

    What’s written here I could transpose in large part to pertain to another small Island, namely Britain, with our Murdochcracy, sanctity of banks and large corporations, but I digress.

    Marching us into church once every term with Vicars who held sway over our educational and state systems did nothing constructive or positive for us.
    Everyone of us had to be baptised in the Anglican church in order to have a name, the Birth Certificate said a child was born on a particular date notified to a police station – No name.
    To have a name, a baptism was needed to obtain a Baptismal Certificate and a name.
    With separation of church and state what replaced it has been a rise of countless numbers of churches, mimicking the American model and with more pastors and preachers than you can shake a a stick at.
    It has led to an alternative stand still position.

    What seems lacking is any understanding of the fundamentals of what makes this world tick and the consequent position of floundering in the dark shouting we know what we are doing and we are doing fine is being steadfastly held.

    The questions that are never asked of education is what it is for, what are its objectives and deliverables. If these questions remain unanswered, education will continue to be the equivalent of shooting blanks at targets on a rifle range.

    The sterile arguments between proponents of either political party goes nowhere as neither has a vision.

    The “intelligent design” nature of politics and the way things are done has been a dismal failure.

    The thinking that gets you into a mess will never get you out of it and
    dare I say it, the same equally applies to the small island of Britain.

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  6. Sunshine Sunny Shine October 4, 2013 at 7:53 AM #

    Hal Austin no insult to you but what the heck you does be talking bout

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  7. Hal Austin October 4, 2013 at 7:55 AM #

    @ Sid

    You are right. David Cameron is a buffoon, and his opposite number, Ed Miliband, is out of his depth.
    The thing about Britain is that it has bright business people who do not have to depend on politicians to make decisions.
    Equally, the UKIP and rightwing Tory belief that Britain can survive outside the EU is a drunken dream.

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  8. Well Well. October 4, 2013 at 8:13 AM #

    Hal Austin | October 4, 2013 at 6:57 AM |

    @ Sargeant

    Missing in translation is…and abolish local government …” Which as a tier of government had, and would have continued to strengthen our democracy. This is uncontestable. That is why Thompson re-invented them with a different name, Constituency Councils.
    Mopttley’s social programme, from Park fod to clothing the poor and helping many secondary school children to even cash hand-outs was inventive.
    ___________________________________

    Hal…………..i understand in those days those handouts to the poor was given to the Mottleys, Adames et al by the plantation class to assert their dominance over the same politicians and by extension the majority poor on the island, it effectively kept the majority in line as well as the politicians and to this day, the poor and unaware pledge allegiance to a particular political party it has resulted in the yardfowlism we all continue to complain about, a very destructive force.

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  9. Hal Austin October 4, 2013 at 8:16 AM #

    @ Sargeant

    You may say that. The point is that every day thew hungry got fed in the park, school children got clothes and shoes and lunch – at my school it was a cooked lunch. And some even got the occasional shilling.
    Local government is an important democratic channel. The corporatist nonsense of a Social Partnership or inexperienced ministers running multi-million dollar departments is no substitute.
    Look what this has done to the economy. Both parties subscribe to this corporatist nonsense.

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  10. millertheanunnaki October 4, 2013 at 8:28 AM #

    “At a time when we should be devolving power and decision-making to school heads, we have some petty jobsworth, in their cheap suits and nylon shirts telling heads not to speak to the press without prior approval.”

    Brilliantly put! If only these political pettifoggers parading as tin gods in their ill-fitting costumes of clowns can see themselves in the mirror maybe their intellectual nakedness might frighten them out of their make-believe dream world.

    The country is cursed with inept leaders who are not prepared to make sacrifices, even for the sake of symbolism to motivate the masses. How can a small country going through such trying social and economic times carry such a burden in the massive size of its Executive Cabinet which consistently fails to perform is beyond contemplation and certainly boggles the mind.

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  11. islandgal246 October 4, 2013 at 8:49 AM #

    When freedom was granted to the slave population they were given a religion to follow without questioning. They were given an education to learn to regurgitate without questioning. They were given jobs to do without questioning. When someone questions it means that they are thinking. When someone is thinking it means that they are learning. When thinkers speak out and show that they have initiative they are labelled rebels and trouble makers. The Bible teaches people to be followers of one man. The political system teaches people to be followers of one man. Following one man without questioning keeps the power in one man’s hands. Why do you expect great things from followers?

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  12. Ras Jahaziel October 4, 2013 at 10:29 AM #

    In the context of AN ENSLAVED AND DISADVANTAGED PEOPLE,
    A LIBERATING EDUCATION IS ONE THAT SEEKS TO EQUIP STUDENTS
    WITH A KEEN SENSE OF HISTORICAL AND MORAL OBLIGATION.

    Underlying the many studies of the curriculum is the basic ideology that
    I AM BEING EDUCATED TO CORRECT A HISTORICAL WRONG.
    My obligation to my people and their historical struggles must therefore be front and center of my ambitions. I AM PART OF A GLOBAL AFRICAN STRUGGLE FOR LIBERATION.

    Of course this never happens in a colonial structure of education even though it is often steeped in religion.
    On the contrary the student is BRAINWASHED with the ideology of
    IN-BETWEENING:
    I am being educated to move up the colonial ladder and advance my career by being exactly like the master.
    My ambition is to one day act ON BEHALF OF THE MASTER even though this may mean delivering up the lesser educated to the slaughter.

    Underlying this kind of educational influence there develops a subconscious SCORN AND CONTEMPT FOR THE POOR, and a cynical justification of narrow selfish ambition, in the name of MY PROGRESS.

    And of course when religion is maliciously disconnected from a people’s history, it is quite easy to be religious and parasitically ambitious.

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  13. JM October 4, 2013 at 10:48 AM #

    Unless the Government was going to tell the Church what sermons to preach there was no need for the Church to be part of government or under government influence.

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  14. Hal Austin October 4, 2013 at 11:00 AM #

    @JM

    I am going to convert you if it is the last thing I do.

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  15. Hal Austin October 4, 2013 at 11:13 AM #

    Victory to Shanique. All those Barbadian official responsible should now resign.

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  16. JM October 4, 2013 at 11:26 AM #

    The message from the Court is that you must do the thing legally. The procedure for a legal search was already in place if the airport authorities thought it was necessary.

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  17. David October 4, 2013 at 11:31 AM #

    One wonders how the CCJ determined that Myrie was treated in an improper manner based on the public evidence AND the lack of cameras at the airport.

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  18. Hal Austin October 4, 2013 at 11:32 AM #

    @JM

    The search was not the problem. What made it worse was the reluctance to settle early resolution. Stubbornness prevented the state from settling with an aggrieved visitor.
    Both sides should have sat down and reached an agreement. What was the final cost to taxpayers, given that we now have to settle their bill and you lawyers are very expensive?

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  19. Hal Austin October 4, 2013 at 11:33 AM #

    @ David

    Credibility of witnesses and persuasiveness of advocates..

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  20. Georgie Porgie October 4, 2013 at 11:44 AM #

    RE The nearest we got, in terms of intellectual depth and social awareness, and indeed clarity, was the essay written by Austin ‘Tom’ Clarke in the independence issue of New World magazine in which he analysed the social and cultural symbolism of the canal that divided Combermere and Harrison College. Many young readers may not understand the significance of the great divide, but that moss-filled elaborate gutter between what is now the Transport Board and Harrison College stands for everything there is not to like about social class in Barbados.
    ====================
    tHIS IS A LOAD OF BULL SHIT!
    that moss-filled elaborate gutter between what is now the Transport Board and Harrison College WAS CALLED THE DRAIN IN MY TIME [NOW CALLED THE DIPPY]
    IT WAS SOMETHING TO LONG JUMP OVER–THATS ALL!
    IT WAS A PLACE THAT YOU WERE NOT TO FALL IN TO
    IT WAS A PLACE THAT DELAYED YOUR CRICKET GAME WHEN THE BALL ROLLED THEREIN. THATS ALL!

    NEVER KNEW THAT THEIR WAS the social and cultural symbolism of the DRAIN
    Austin ‘Tom’ Clarke OFF COURSE GREW UP IN A TIME BEFORE ME

    HC WAS/IS A SCHOOL AND CAWMERE IS ANOTHER SCHOOL
    MY TWO BEST FRIENDS WHILE GROWING UP WENT TO CAWMERE

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  21. stixx October 4, 2013 at 12:13 PM #

    Mr. Ausitin, though they may try to discredit what you are saying here, in the end the essence of your commentary is on point. I am in the US but reading about the changes in Barbados I can tell you there is a major undercurrent of disaster looming and when, not if that conflagaration occurs we will see decades of misery. And as the world is advancing at exponential rates compared to 50 years ago, so will our decline occur at a mindboggling speed. I fully get what you are saying. The foundation and infrastructure of that which define us is very very weak. We hung on to a few accolades such as high literacy rates as the end all and be all. Parrots, horses, seals and dogs can be trained to count. The ability to critically analyse and demonstrate insite beyond the surface is another thing. We are soon to become the laughing stock to the Caribbean. We are hemoraging fast and there is no help or remedy in sight. We had a bit of a headstart and sqandered it. It may not be too late but it will take people like you and the disapora to come together and change things. Writing on blogs is a good but of little consequence. So what shall we do? I would love to talk to you one on one about this.

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  22. Well Well. October 4, 2013 at 12:37 PM #

    Hal Austin | October 4, 2013 at 11:13 AM |

    Victory to Shanique. All those Barbadian official responsible should now resign.
    _________________________________________

    Or they can all look at the verdict as a learning curve….the moral of the verdict is that you can uphold your country’s immigration/custom laws without resorting to mistreating each other, a very expensive learning curve. Follow the positive, even if you have to interrogate ‘suspects’ do so with the utmost respect and a smile.

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  23. JM October 4, 2013 at 12:43 PM #

    “After outlining the uncontroverted facts of the case, the Court made findings concerning the allegedly insanitary state of the cell in which Ms Myrie was detained, the body cavity search to which she said she was subjected and the circumstances under which this cavity search allegedly took place. It was Ms Myrie on whom the burden of proof rested to
    prove these facts and, after examining all the oral and written evidence presented, the Court found that she had properly discharged this burden cast upon her.”

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  24. Georgie Porgie October 4, 2013 at 12:44 PM #

    re I am in the US but reading about the changes in Barbados I can tell you there is a major undercurrent of disaster looming and when, not if that conflagaration occurs we will see decades of misery.
    ==
    i am in the US too, and reading about the changes in Barbados does not make me happy.

    HOWEVER, there is a major undercurrent of disaster looming in the US AND IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD WHICH WILL CULMINATE IN THE CONFLAGRATION OF THE RISE OF ANTICHRIST IN THE GREAT TRIBULATION WHEN THERE WILL BE MISERY FOR 3.5 YEARS………NOT DECADES, BECAUSE JESUS WILL COME IN GLORY AT THE EPIPHANEA TO DEFEAT HIS ENEMIES AT ARMAGEDDON..

    HE IS COMING SOON

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  25. stixx October 4, 2013 at 12:56 PM #

    Only good can come out of this. Too many reports of wild cowboys and cowgirls at customs. Now prepare for the onslaught of lawsuits. This verdict is a boon for lawyers.

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  26. JM October 4, 2013 at 12:57 PM #

    unadulterated nonsense. leave out the mythology please.

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  27. stixx October 4, 2013 at 1:05 PM #

    Re: HE IS COMING SOON. There has been about 5 commings in the last 4 years. One day you will be on point but until that meteor crashes into us or Mr. Kim Jr. wakes up exceptionally cranky one day, I would continue to pay my mortgage if I were you.

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  28. George C. Brathwaite October 4, 2013 at 1:22 PM #

    @ Hal

    Remember me stating as far back as 2011 that Barbados had erred. Indeed, Minister Maxine McClean and Senator Harcourt Husbands should resign immediately. These were the first two spokespersons of government referencing the Myrie case and dismissing Jamaica’s initial inquiries as having no merit. Further that Myrie’s allegations were nonsense and untrue.

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  29. Georgie Porgie October 4, 2013 at 2:00 PM #

    WE SANG THIS AT CH CH WHEN I WAS A LAD
    DIDNT UNDERSTAND IT THEN, BUT NOW IT MAKES SENSE

    Behold, the Bridegroom draweth nigh
    Hear ye the oft repeated cry?
    Go forth into the midnight dim;
    For blest are they whom He shall find
    With ready heart and watchful mind;
    Go forth, my soul, to Him.

    Behold, the Bridegroom cometh by,
    The call is echoed from the sky:
    Go forth, ye servants, watch and wait:
    The slothful cannot join His train;
    No careless ones can entrance gain;
    Awake, my soul, ’tis late.

    The wise will plead with one accord,
    O holy, holy, holy Lord,
    On us Thy quick’ning grace bestow,
    That none may reach the door too late,
    When Thou shalt enter at the gate
    And to Thy kingdom go.

    Behold, the Bridegroom draweth near,
    The warning falls on every ear:
    That night of dread shall come to all:
    Behold, my soul, thy lamp so dim,
    Rise, rise the smoking flax to trim;
    Soon shalt thou hear His call.

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  30. Georgie Porgie October 4, 2013 at 2:04 PM #

    THE BRETHREN LIKE TO SING THIS IN BREAKING OF BREAD
    By Christ redeemed, in Christ restored,
    We keep the memory adored,
    And show the death of our dear Lord,
    Until He come.

    His body broken in our stead
    Is here in this memorial bread,
    And so our feeble love is fed
    Until He come.

    The streams of His dread agony,
    His life blood shed for us, we see;
    The wine shall tell the mystery
    Until He come.

    And thus that dark betrayal night
    With the last advent we unite
    By one blest chain of loving rite
    Until He come.

    Until the trump of God be heard,
    Until the ancient graves be stirred,
    And, with the great commanding word,
    The Lord shall come.

    O blessèd hope! with this elate
    Let not our hearts be desolate,
    But, strong in faith, in patience wait
    Until He come.

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  31. Georgie Porgie October 4, 2013 at 2:06 PM #

    THE BAPTISTS LOVE THIS ONE

    It may be at morn, when the day is awaking,
    When sunlight through darkness and shadow is breaking
    That Jesus will come in the fullness of glory
    To receive from the world His own.

    Refrain

    O Lord Jesus, how long, how long
    Ere we shout the glad song,
    Christ returneth! Hallelujah!
    Hallelujah! Amen. Hallelujah! Amen.

    It may be at midday, it may be at twilight,
    It may be, perchance, that the blackness of midnight
    Will burst into light in the blaze of His glory,
    When Jesus receives His own.

    Refrain

    While its hosts cry Hosanna, from heaven descending,
    With glorified saints and the angels attending,
    With grace on His brow, like a halo of glory,
    Will Jesus receive His own.

    Refrain

    Oh, joy! oh, delight! should we go without dying,
    No sickness, no sadness, no dread and no crying.
    Caught up through the clouds with our Lord into glory,
    When Jesus receives His own.

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  32. Georgie Porgie October 4, 2013 at 2:09 PM #

    LEILA NORRIS CAPTURES THE DOCTRINE WELL IN THIS SONG AND HER TUNE IS SWEET TOO

    CF http://www.hymntime.com/tch/htm/w/h/a/whatifit.htm
    Jesus is coming to earth again; what if it were today?
    Coming in power and love to reign; what if it were today?
    Coming to claim His chosen bride, all the redeemed and purified,
    Over this whole earth scattered wide; what if it were today?

    Refrain

    Glory, glory! Joy to my heart ’twill bring.
    Glory, glory! When we shall crown Him king.
    Glory, glory! Haste to prepare the way;
    Glory, glory! Jesus will come some day.

    Satan’s dominion will then be o’er, O that it were today!
    Sorrow and sighing shall be no more, O that it were today!
    Then shall the dead in Christ arise, caught up to meet Him in the skies,
    When shall these glories meet our eyes? What if it were today?

    Refrain

    Faithful and true would He find us here if He should come today?
    Watching in gladness and not in fear, if He should come today?
    Signs of His coming multiply; morning light breaks in eastern sky.
    Watch, for the time is drawing nigh; what if it were today?

    Refrain

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  33. Georgie Porgie October 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM #

    THIS IS A NICE ONE FOR THE CHILDREN IN SUNDAY SCHOOL
    When He cometh, when He cometh
    To make up His jewels,
    All His jewels, precious jewels,
    His loved and His own.

    Refrain

    Like the stars of the morning,
    His brightness adorning,
    They shall shine in their beauty,
    Bright gems for His crown.

    He will gather, He will gather
    The gems for His kingdom;
    All the pure ones, all the bright ones,
    His loved and His own.

    Refrain

    Little children, little children,
    Who love their Redeemer,
    Are the jewels, precious jewels,
    His loved and His own.

    Refrain

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  34. Georgie Porgie October 4, 2013 at 2:14 PM #

    THIS IS FANNY CROSBY ON THE TOPIC
    LATER I WILL START CITING THE SCRIPTURE TEXTS
    BUT IM SINGING NOW

    When Jesus comes to reward His servants,
    Whether it be noon or night,
    Faithful to Him will He find us watching,
    With our lamps all trimmed and bright?

    Refrain

    O can we say we are ready, brother?
    Ready for the soul’s bright home?
    Say, will He find you and me still watching,
    Waiting, waiting when the Lord shall come?

    If, at the dawn of the early morning,
    He shall call us one by one,
    When to the Lord we restore our talents,
    Will He answer thee—Well done?

    Refrain

    Have we been true to the trust He left us?
    Do we seek to do our best?
    If in our hearts there is naught condemns us,
    We shall have a glorious rest.

    Refrain

    Blessèd are those whom the Lord finds watching,
    In His glory they shall share;
    If He shall come at the dawn or midnight,
    Will He find us watching there?

    Refrain

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  35. Georgie Porgie October 4, 2013 at 2:18 PM #

    THIS ONE IS LOVELY!
    THE TENOR IS HEAVENLY! http://www.hymntime.com/tch/pdf/s/t/c/St.%20Cecilia%20(Hayne).pdf

    WHAT WE NEED IS FOR HIS KINGDOM TO COME BECAUSE THE KINGDOMS OF THE WORLD ARE CURRENTLY HOPELESS
    Thy kingdom come, O God,
    Thy rule, O Christ, begin;
    Break with Thine iron rod
    The tyrannies of sin.

    Where is Thy reign of peace,
    And purity, and love?
    When shall all hatred cease,
    As in the realms above?

    When comes the promised time
    That war shall be no more—
    Oppression, lust, and crime,
    Shall flee Thy face before?

    We pray Thee, Lord, arise,
    And come in Thy great might;
    Revive our longing eyes,
    Which languish for Thy sight.

    Men scorn Thy sacred name,
    And wolves devour Thy fold;
    By many deeds of shame
    We learn that love grows cold.

    O’er heathen lands afar
    Thick darkness broodeth yet:
    Arise, O Morning Star,
    Arise, and never set!

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  36. Georgie Porgie October 4, 2013 at 2:23 PM #

    THIS IS MY FAVOURITE OF FAVORITES WHEN SUNG TO WH MONKS TUNE BEVERLEY
    http://www.hymntime.com/tch/pdf/b/e/v/Beverley.pdf
    Thou art coming, O my Savior,
    Thou art coming, O my King,
    In Thy beauty all resplendent,
    In Thy glory all transcendent;
    Well may we rejoice and sing:
    Coming! in the opening east
    Herald brightness slowly swells;
    Coming! O my glorious Priest,
    Hear we not Thy golden bells?

    Thou art coming, Thou art coming;
    We shall meet Thee on Thy way,
    We shall see Thee, we shall know Thee,
    We shall bless Thee, we shall show Thee
    All our hearts could never say:
    What an anthem that will be,
    Ringing out our love to Thee,
    Pouring out our rapture sweet
    At Thine own all glorious feet.

    Thou art coming; at Thy table
    We are witnesses for this;
    While remembering hearts Thou meetest
    In communion clearest, sweetest,
    Earnest of our coming bliss,
    Showing not Thy death alone,
    And Thy love exceeding great;
    But Thy coming and Thy throne,
    All for which we long and wait.

    Thou art coming, we are waiting
    With a hope that cannot fail,
    Asking not the day or hour,
    Resting on Thy Word of power,
    Anchored safe within the veil.
    Time appointed may be long,
    But the vision must be sure;
    Certainty shall make us strong,
    Joyful patience can endure.

    O the joy to see Thee reigning,
    Thee, my own belovèd Lord!
    Every tongue Thy name confessing,
    Worship, honor, glory, blessing
    Brought to Thee with glad accord;
    Thee, my Master and my Friend,
    Vindicated and enthroned;
    Unto earth’s remotest end
    Glorified, adored, and owned!

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  37. stixx October 4, 2013 at 2:24 PM #

    Blessed are those who get off their behinds and take action rather than sitting on their varandas reciting hyms about some imminent epocolypse.

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  38. Georgie Porgie October 4, 2013 at 2:30 PM #

    agree with you
    designed our national health service system which has been copied elsewhere
    teach medical students
    so i have been off my behind doing lol

    and now i have time to sing all day about the doctrine of the second coming

    attacking me will just make it worse lol
    thats my favorite doctrine
    the more you scoff the more I will tell you about it, naughty likkle boy

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  39. Georgie Porgie October 4, 2013 at 2:32 PM #

    there is where we are in time now
    before he comes it will be THE RISE OF ANTICHRIST ALSO CALLED THE BEAST

    I. THE SOCIAL AGITATION THAT DELIVERS THE BEAST (Revelation 13:1)
    A. Isaiah 57:20-21
    B. Revelation 17:15
    II. THE SATANIC ATTRIBUTES THAT DESCRIBE THE BEAST (Revelation 13:1-2)
    A. Revelation 12:3, 9
    B. 2 Thessalonians 2:9
    C. Revelation 13:2
    D. John 5:43
    III. THE SEDUCTIVE APPEAL THAT DISGUISES THE BEAST (Revelation 13:3-4)
    IV. THE SINISTER AMBITIONS THAT DRIVE THE BEAST
    A. To deify Satan. (Revelation 13:4)
    B. To defy the Savior. (Revelation 13:5-6)
    C. To destroy the saints. (Revelation 13:7)
    D. To dominate society. (Revelation 13:7)
    E. To delude sinners. (Revelation 13:8-10)
    V. THE SUPPORTING AGENT THAT DECLARES THE BEAST (Revelation 13:11)
    A. The false prophet will use fire. (Revelation 13:13)
    B. The false prophet will use an image of the beast. (Revelation 13:14-15)
    C. The false prophet will use the mark of the beast. (Revelation 13:16-18)

    WE ARE WITNESSING THE SOCIAL AGITATION THAT DELIVERS THE BEAST RIGHT NOW WORLDWIDE

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  40. Georgie Porgie October 4, 2013 at 2:35 PM #

    The Signposts on the Road to Armageddon

    I. INTRODUCTION
    A. Armageddon literally means “Mount of Megiddo”
    B. It is a vast valley surrounded by three mountains: Mt. Carmel, Mt. Tabor, and Mt. Gilboa
    C. The valley is known as the “Valley of Jezreel”
    D. Many battles have already been fought there
    E. The Bible says that one day the final war of all-time will be fought there – the Battle of Armageddon
    II. THE DETAILED PROPHECIES THAT PREDICT ARMAGEDDON (Revelation 16:16)
    A. Israel is back in her land
    B. A reunified Europe
    C. A one-world government and move toward globalism (Genesis 11:6)
    i. Including a move from our current calendar dating of A.D. (anno Domini, “the year of our Lord”) to C.E. (“Common Era”)
    D. The Soviet Republics and Arab nations gather strength and come against Israel (Ezekiel 37-39)
    E. The kings of the East gather strength
    1. China boasts of an army of two hundred million (Revelation 9:16)
    III. THE DEMONIC PASSIONS THAT PROVOKE ARMAGEDDON (Revelation 16:13-16)
    A. Matthew 24:24
    B. 2 Peter 2:1
    C. 1 Timothy 4:1
    D. Mark 13:22
    E. 2 Thessalonians 2:11
    IV. THE DETERMINED PEOPLE THAT PLOT ARMAGEDDON (Revelation 17:12-14)
    A. The ten horns represent ten kings or kingdoms
    B. A coalition of ten nations comprised of the old Roman Empire (the reunified Europe) will follow the beast and will come against Christ at Armageddon
    V. THE DEVILISH PRIDE THAT PRECIPITATES ARMAGEDDON (Revelation 13:4-7)
    VI. THE DEVASTATING PLAGUES THAT PRECEDE ARMAGEDDON (Revelation 16:8-11)
    A. Revelation 18:8
    VII. THE DIVINE POWER THAT PREDOMINATES ARMAGEDDON (Revelation 19:11-16)
    A. Hebrews 4:12

    JUST NOTE THESE
    Israel is back in her land
    move toward globalism (Genesis 11:6)
    The Soviet Republics and Arab nations gather strength and come against Israel (Ezekiel 37-39)
    The kings of the East gather strength
    China boasts of an army of two hundred million (Revelation 9:16)

    ALL THESE THINGS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE UNTIL NOW. aH LIE?

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  41. Hal Austin October 4, 2013 at 2:47 PM #

    @ George

    This case diminishes Barbados. We are agreed on this. But I am afraid that the powers that be would not recognise what that means.

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  42. stixx October 4, 2013 at 3:50 PM #

    RE: This case diminishes Barbados. We are agreed on this. But I am afraid that the powers that be would not recognise what that means

    This will not engender universal change but I assure you government will have to act to halt the flood of lawsuits that are about to come their way. Real change will require the following:
    Insitute a proper set of policies and procedures for customs officials that is consistent with that of the US, have effective controls / supervision for monitoring compliance, Invest in a couple CT scanners that can identify foreign objects in body cavities and that have been ingested, have a courtesy training program for all airport workers , clean and comfortable detention quarters, make sure surveilance cameras work, and make it a policy that all intergations be recorded.

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  43. islandgal246 October 4, 2013 at 5:24 PM #

    GP you are losing credibility by the second you RELIGIOUS NUTTER. GO SING AND PRAISE YOU GOD IN YOUR CHURCH and not here on BU. You are really off your meds!

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  44. Georgie Porgie October 4, 2013 at 6:17 PM #

    WHEN WILL ARMAGEDDON OCCUR?
    Our Lord Himself tells when this battle will take place: “Immediately after the distress of those days “the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ “At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.” (Mat. 24 v.27-31)
    The Glorious Appearing will take place “immediately after the distress of those days,” that is, at the end of the Tribulation and before the Millennium. Our Lord will time His coming at the most dramatic point in all history. The Antichrist, the False Prophet, and Satan will inspire the armies of the world to invade Palestine in a gigantic effort to rid the world of the Jews and to fight against Christ.
    This covers Rev. 19. v.7-21, which covers primarily with Christ as the righteous Warrior, for we see Him coming to do battle with the host of Satan’s armies in what is often called “the battle of Armageddon,” but which in truth is a war, or campaign, of the great day of God Almighty. This war is necessitated by the fiendishly evil ambitions of humankind and their evil source of power, Satan.

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  45. islandgal246 October 4, 2013 at 8:43 PM #

    GP is off his rocker he is now keeping Church on BU ….SMH….DWL

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  46. Georgie Porgie October 4, 2013 at 8:51 PM #

    AND I WILL CONTINUE TOO

    YOUR TAUNTS ONLY INSPIRE ME

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  47. JUST ASKING October 4, 2013 at 10:29 PM #

    Barbados is being embarrassed BIG time all around. We have a PM and a MOF showing the whole world how incompetent they are. A MOT doing nutting and saying nutting about our Tourism product. We need to clean up our act and be more professional.

    comments ENDORSED BY JUST ASKING
    THE DLP IS THE WORST GOVERNMENT BARBADOS EVER HAD—NAME ONE THAT WAS A BAD AS THIS ONE—-GO AHEAD NAME IT.

    THE DLP SHOULD “DISBAND BECAUSE IT IS A BLIGHTED

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  48. John October 5, 2013 at 3:09 AM #

    It is like Armageddon, we run screaming to the captains of industry, but there is nothing they can do;
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Oh yes they can and they do it….. they talk like the rest of us, and I quote:

    “Williams Industries chairman Ralph “Bizzy” Williams has declared there are too many people walking about this island talking foolishness about the economy.”

    Clearly great thought went into that pronouncement.

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  49. Hal Austin October 5, 2013 at 10:33 AM #

    @ John

    All successful business people are not necessarily economically literate. Stupidity from a wealthy man is the same as stupidity from a poor man.

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  50. Georgie Porgie October 5, 2013 at 3:48 PM #

    MOST ECONOMISTS ARE NOT USUALLY WEALTHY aH LIE?

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  51. Patrick October 5, 2013 at 4:42 PM #

    Hal Austin’s article is an interesting polemic deserving of some intellectual engagement. Whether we agree or disagree in part with his submission, it does raise the issue of the need for a new development model set in a 21st century Barbados. Almost every sphere of Barbadian life needs some level of transformation. The public sector needs to be less bureaucratic and more enabling, the private sector needs to be more innovative and enterprising, the political sector needs to do more governing and less politicking and the citizenry needs to embrace an ethic of discipline and personal responsibility. Management and Labour needs to abandon its historical adversarial relation and understand that the best future for enterprise and jobs is in a collective arrangement to improve productivity and competitiveness with worker participation in gain share dividends. The zero sum equation of Dees vs Bees, of Capital vs Labour, of Man vs Woman, of black vs white of rich vs poor, must go. The only viable equation is Barbados’ improving role in the world. This will require of us, a new spirit, a new ethos and a new focus. Time to get to work, Barbados.

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  52. David October 5, 2013 at 4:50 PM #

    @Patrick

    You are correct of course BUT withou leadership or some disruptive intervention it will just be a wish on your part.

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  53. Bush Tea October 5, 2013 at 4:51 PM #

    @ Patrick. ….well said, BUT…
    “This will require of us, a new spirit, a new ethos and a new focus. Time to get to work, Barbados.”
    ****************
    NEW spirit, NEW ethos, NEW focus……from the same old Brass bowls….?

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  54. Georgie Porgie October 5, 2013 at 5:21 PM #

    bt
    r u saying dat u cant teach old dogs new tricks?
    GOING GOING AND OON……..GGGGGGGGOOOOOONNNNNEEE!

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  55. ac October 5, 2013 at 6:08 PM #

    wait and to think that GP is a comediene really makes me LOL >>>>>>LOL>>>>>>>>>LOL……..

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  56. ac October 5, 2013 at 6:27 PM #

    David | October 4, 2013 at 11:31 AM |

    One wonders how the CCJ determined that Myrie was treated in an improper manner based on the public evidence AND the lack of cameras at the airport.
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
    It probably will be asking u too much to review the evidence . It all goes back to the chain of command, .small details like cameras conviently not working in the rooms or doorways of where myrie was being interview, Timelines which were inconsistent between the various officers as to who saw myrie befor and after her interview with the officers, the movement of her baggage ,and how it was handle and who handle and took control to take it to her .,there are a series of troubling links which does not make good enough sense to easily form a conclusion that something was wrong .too many missing pieces of the puzzle that makes one believe without a doubt that there was collusion and agreements among the immigration officers to coverup the Myrie story, another” telll “” too many incidents of i ‘Can”T rememberby the officers …….a very interesting case would make a good carribean made for TV movie and one that can make Myrie filthy rich ..

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  57. ac October 5, 2013 at 9:32 PM #

    The spirit of barbados has been spit on ! darg through the mud ! crucified and buried by the daily repetitive gibberish Escaping from the mouths of te BLP yatdfow.

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  58. Well Well. October 6, 2013 at 11:11 AM #

    The Myrie case is now yesterday’s or was it day before news…….clean up yall nasty act and move on.

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  59. David October 6, 2013 at 1:13 PM #

    Roy Davis Construction owned by Roy Davis and made famous by his role in the St.Joseph Hospital Inquiry and brother of you know who appears on the list of NIS defaulters.

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  60. David October 6, 2013 at 1:19 PM #

    Solar Dynamics, one of our touted local companies finds it way on the list. This company is headed by James Husbands.

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  61. Victor October 6, 2013 at 2:55 PM #

    Island Girl, he is a bare idiot. Yet as a Hungarian philosopher once said, in it’s life, every hen must pick up at least one good grain. Still searching for his oh dear. How can he be so intelligent yet such a fool at the same time?

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  62. The People's Democratic Congress October 6, 2013 at 2:59 PM #

    We have seen in today’s Sunday Sun (2013-10-06), that the publishing company of this newspaper has gone ahead and published on the behalf of the NI and Social Security Scheme the names of a sizeable number of statutory corporations, businesses and individuals that this criminal tax stealing NI and Social Security has been falsely claiming are owed to it whatever unpublished portions of incomes, payments and transfers of the particular employees and particular employers, over the years.

    According to the published notice, this criminal tax stealing government department states that “the names shown are those against whom unpaid National Insurance Certificates have been filed and served, who have not made satisfactory arrangements to liquidate the outstanding debt (what madness), who have not adhered to arrangements made and/or do not submit current contributions when they become due”.

    Well, we have been saying to many people on here and some other places in this country that so-called NI and Social Security contributions are downright abominable theft – except in situations where those persons who own businesses voluntarily contribute portions of their incomes or payments to the scheme itself, perhaps as a means of the said scheme saving for them some of those particular portions that they send to it.

    But the truth is that the NIS is wrong, evil and criminal in stealing the incomes, payments and transfers where ever it is done by them for the fundamental reason that the actual so-called NI and Social Security contributions are in fact STOLEN PROPERTIES – properties that have been stolen by the National Insurance and Social Security Scheme and by extension the executive legislative government of this country.

    So, we truly applaud the actions of the people, businesses and statutory organizations that – in spite of the threats of sanctions and such like against them by the Scheme – have not been handing over any of the respective portions of their own and their employees’ incomes, payments and transfers to this criminal destestable illogical TAXATION process of this wicked government of this country.

    We instead ask these people, businesses and statutory organizations to give back to those employees, the respective portions of their respective incomes, payments and transfers that they would have taken over the time from the incomes, payments and transfers of the same employees, under this criminal morally bankrupt insane NI and Social Security TAXATION System, fundamentally because it is their OWN incomes, payments, and transfers that they are entitled to do what so ever with.

    Finally, we are asking some of those people who have their names and the names of the businesses – wholly owned or associated – published in today’s Sunday Sun, and who are reading on BU our positions as currently outlined in this present PDC post, to continue not handing in any of these incomes, payments and transfers to the NI and Social Security Scheme and by extension to the government, and instead to tell other people about what they are not doing (not handing in NI Social Security taxes) and what we have said by way of this post.

    For sure these persons and businesses whose names have been published in the Sunday Sun are potential supporters of the creation by the majority of adult people of this country of a post-TAXATION society for Barbados in the not too distant future.

    PDC

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  63. Concerned parent October 6, 2013 at 3:05 PM #

    @ David
    Most of the companies on the list are small and medium sized businesses and not “big” businesses as some people were alluding to before the list was published. My fear is that most of these businesses can be named and shamed , but they won’t be able to pay their debt in the present depressed economic situation. I’m sure that their debt will also include Vat. If they were made to pay they would have to close shop and even more people will be out of work.
    The problem is their cash flow.

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  64. David October 6, 2013 at 3:07 PM #

    @Concerned Parent

    Many of the companies are defunct.

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  65. Victor October 6, 2013 at 3:19 PM #

    David, what I set out to say got lost as I digressed as usual. I meant to say that cultural norms change depending on the culture and that tolerating gays, weed-smoking, etc. is just a flash in the pan. At the end of the day, might beats right as we saw in Nazi Germany. All the rights we have won for ourselves in this era would be quickly eradicated when might takes power over right WHICH IT WILL DO one day. The human race is not walking towards improvement, just doing so for the moment. It cannot be set in stone. In the future there will be ups and downs. But let it be recorded that this year humans were trying to do their best to be fair to all.

    I think that historically the early 21st Century will look to future historians like a golden time where huge economic crises threatened yet people were still concerned about welfare issues for their fellows.

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  66. The People's Democratic Congress October 6, 2013 at 3:34 PM #

    We congratulate all the more than 900 persons, businesses and statutory corporations for NOT handing over any portions of their own and their employees incomes, payments and transfers to this criminal sick insane fascist NI Social Security Scheme.

    They are absolutely RIGHT.

    What these people and organizations must do is to give back to the workers what they would have taken from their payments and transfers over time.

    After this is done and they will not take from their employers any portions of payments and transfers ever again, they will then become (not before such is agreed to be resolved to do if possible among themselves) some of the unsung heroes (not any NIS defaulters) of this country.

    If they had handed over to this Scheme and to the government those amounts that the stupid criminal NI Social Security is now so stupidly claiming, the country would have been worst off.

    For much of that that was not handed over by them to this TAX stealing TAX robbing National Insurance and Social Security Scheme indeed helped to provide for much needed greater use of money in this country over time.

    PDC

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  67. The People's Democratic Congress October 6, 2013 at 7:04 PM #

    The fundamental facts underlying why so many people, businesses and statutory corporations having their names published in today’s Sunday Sun under the political backwardness of the National Insurance and Social Security Scheme is not a question of the LACK OF CASH FLOW, but are as part of the evidence of the multifarious consequences of this same evil wicked TAXATION system, Interest Rates, Motor Vehicle Insurance, the staggeringly high cost of use of money, and so many other factors, operating against them.

    It is purely naïve to think that their incapacities to hand over the amounts of monies the NI SSS seeks, their refusals to hand over such amounts of monies, their repudiations of many of the efforts of this scheme have been caused by the LACK OF CASH FLOW.

    The names of the people, businesses and corporation being published in a newspaper does show the extent to which a criminally insane sick TAX-stealing TAX-robbing Nationally Insurance and Social Security Scheme and by extension the government are helping to destroy have been helping to destroy, by means of stealing, theft, plunder and loot – much business and social life in this country.

    If some people are so infantile in the way they think that it is a cash flow problem for so many people, business and statutory corporations, such as not to know or strongly believe that thousands upon thousands of Barbadians already know that TAXATION is Theft of personal corporate properties and that they will do as much as possible for now to avoid it at least – mainly because many of them irrationally fear jail were they to have been seen outrightly campaigning against government robbing them – then for these people to be thinking about such in such a limited way would be for they themselves to be evidence substantially mainly of the serious and profound social political psychological material financial damage TAXATION system has been doing to them and others..

    PDC

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  68. The People's Democratic Congress October 6, 2013 at 9:03 PM #

    According to the same Sunday Sun story says “the publication of the entities indebted (what madness) to the National Insurance Fund as at October 1, 2013, in respect of the National Insurance contributions and the various levied for which the National Insurance Board has responsibility”, comes two months after Minister of Labour Senator Dr Esther Byer Suckoo said government would publish the names of defaulters among measures to collect long outstanding funds”.

    Notwithstanding such, this political joker for a minister of government was the same minister that some time ago an employee of hers had issues with her concerning the employee’s ready access to unemployment benefits, upon her getting the rid of the employee.

    It seemed that the employee had to make a good deal of noise in the public’s domain in order to have got those so-called unemployment benefits.

    PDC

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  69. checkit-out October 9, 2013 at 2:10 PM #

    I missed the MoF’s interview about the status of the current implementation of the 2013 Budget’s measures and I am still bemused about several things.

    Anyone heard if the Minister made any disclosures on the state of the foreign reserves following the loss of 300 Million dollars in three months earlier this year? Anything about how the Government is doing in closing the 400 Million fiscal gap that was initially supposed to be substantially closed by the end of this financial year and how the changes in strategy since the budget have impacted this? Was there anything about the 1/2 billion dollar loan?

    Anyhow it may be that the Government’s main priority is not related to closing that fiscal gap but ensuring that its inherent promises re. the society vs. the economy are scrupulously kept and the economy can continue to play second fiddle.

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  70. David October 9, 2013 at 2:36 PM #

    @checkit-it

    He stated the change to 2 and 3 percent at the top of the consolidation tax tier was a typo. Believe he also stated that the Municipal Tax as presented in the budget is correct. BU is willing to be corrected. This would be interesting if only Minister Inniss indicated to the contrary. Did not hear him refer to the forex matter.

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  71. David October 9, 2013 at 11:00 PM #

    What is this man really saying?

    Oppenheimer’s Gregory Fisher says international investors are more at ease about including emerging market debt in their portfolios, but prefer some sovereign bonds over others.

    Additionally, investors across the globe are developing an appetite for Caribbean bonds, said Fisher, managing director of Institutional Emerging Markets Sales at Oppenheimer & Company.

    “A few years ago, if you asked someone in Hong Kong, or some parts of Asia about Jamaica, Cayman, etc, they could not tell you …, but now, those pension funds are owners of Caribbean bonds,” Fisher said Monday at a forum hosted by Sterling Asset Management.

    most attractive issuers

    The likes of Aruba, The Bahamas, Bermuda and Trinidad are the most attractive issuers from the Caribbean, he said, while Panama and El Salvador are popular markets in Central America.

    Barbados, at one time, was among the list of most attractive issuers, but its economy has faltered since the 2008 world financial crisis.

    Jamaica, whose economy has been struggling for over three decades, is now a more attractive prospect, according to Fisher.

    Both countries have sought bailouts from the International Monetary Fund.

    “I feel safer holding Jamaica debt than Barbados at this time,” Fisher said. “The austerity measures and they way it was implemented kept the country in line with the IMF programme and the noise created by Barbados is not going to affect Jamaica negatively. I think, actually, it is going to affect Jamaica positively. I think this is causing a lot of the larger funds to take another look and revisit the Jamaica debt,” he said.

    Fisher was referring to Barbados’s withdrawal of its repurchase offer for up to US$250 million of its 7.25 per cent notes due 2021 and seven per cent notes due 2022. Barbados also reportedly postponed plans to raise US$500 million of debt on the international market last week.

    “If they had followed through with it, I don’t think they would have raised the amount that they wanted,” said Fisher. “There is just not enough interest out there right now for Barbados debt,” he said.

    Rather, Fisher said Barbados should have executed a debt exchange, swapping out the old debt for new ones with new terms.

    a matter of confidence

    He said the preference for Jamaica debt is not a matter of credit rating, but one of confidence.

    “Barbados’ economy is almost 100 per cent dependent on tourism, but for Jamaica, their credit market is so diversified. Jamaica has lots of options: You have coffee, cocoa, bauxite, tourism, sugar, quite a lot of options, so people will feel more comfortable,” he said.

    Additionally, the appetite for Jamaica’s debt is linked to the government’s outreach to the international investment community.

    “I think the Jamaican Government is more seasoned and they know how to deal with international investors. The Barbados Government has not mastered that as yet,” Fisher said.

    “The Barbados situation has brought the Jamaica bonds to the forefront. It is now for us (investors) to take a closer look at Jamaica and see Jamaica’s progress. I think with Jamaica’s recent upgrade, the Jamaica bonds should be trading higher once things settle down in the United States,” Fisher said.

    marcella.scarlett@gleanerjm.com

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  72. islandgal246 October 9, 2013 at 11:44 PM #

    David he is saying that they have no confidence in Barbados’ debt especially with an economy that is wholly dependent on Tourism. A more diversified economy is more attractive. He is saying what BU has been saying all along…..We are up a creek without a paddle and heading for the rapids without life vests.

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  73. islandgal246 October 10, 2013 at 12:54 AM #

    “I think the Jamaican Government is more seasoned and they know how to deal with international investors. The Barbados Government has not mastered that as yet,” Fisher said.

    Haven’t we been saying this all along? This is EMBARRASSMENT and INCOMPETENCE to the highest degree! The have now gone on the world stage to show off their ignorance. Lawd we really down a slippery slope without brakes! Wunna brace wunna selves for a hard landing! We sit and watch helplessly!

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  74. islandgal246 October 10, 2013 at 8:15 AM #

    When the Central Bank Governor is lauded for his arrogant stand with LaGarde the IMF head he understands that they will be smiling waiting for him to come back with the right attitude. Beggars can’t be choosers!

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