The Dark Side of Civil Forfeiture in the USA

Submitted Green Monkey
Civil Forfeiture

Civil Forfeiture

In local news reports the US Ambassador is pushing for our legislation to allow for the seizure of assets gained from criminal activity as is allowed under US law. However, under US law you don’t have to be actually convicted of criminal wrongdoing to be deprived of assets, as  the cops only have to say that they suspect the seized assets came from unlawful activity.  The onus is then placed on the suspect to prove that the assets were gained lawfully or purchased with legally derived funds.

See article below from the New Yorker:

Under civil forfeiture, Americans who haven’t been charged with wrongdoing can be stripped of their cash, cars, and even homes. Is that all we’re losing?

by Sarah Stillman August 12, 2013

On a bright Thursday afternoon in 2007, Jennifer Boatright, a waitress at a Houston bar-and-grill, drove with her two young sons and her boyfriend, Ron Henderson, on U.S. 59 toward Linden, Henderson’s home town, near the Texas-Louisiana border. They made the trip every April, at the first signs of spring, to walk the local wildflower trails and spend time with Henderson’s father. This year, they’d decided to buy a used car in Linden, which had plenty for sale, and so they bundled their cash savings in their car’s center console. Just after dusk, they passed a sign that read “Welcome to Tenaha: A little town with BIG Potential!”

They pulled into a mini-mart for snacks. When they returned to the highway ten minutes later, Boatright, a honey-blond “Texas redneck from Lubbock,” by her own reckoning, and Henderson, who is Latino, noticed something strange. The same police car that their eleven-year-old had admired in the mini-mart parking lot was trailing them. Near the city limits, a tall, bull-shouldered officer named Barry Washington pulled them over.

He asked if Henderson knew that he’d been driving in the left lane for more than half a mile without passing. No, Henderson replied. He said he’d moved into the left lane so that the police car could make its way onto the highway.

Were there any drugs in the car? When Henderson and Boatright said no, the officer asked if he and his partner could search the car.The officers found the couple’s cash and a marbled-glass pipe that Boatright said was a gift for her sister-in-law, and escorted them across town to the police station. In a corner there, two tables were heaped with jewelry, DVD players, cell phones, and the like. According to the police report, Boatright and Henderson fit the profile of drug couriers: they were driving from Houston, “a known point for distribution of illegal narcotics,” to Linden, “a known place to receive illegal narcotics.” The report describes their children as possible decoys, meant to distract police as the couple breezed down the road, smoking marijuana. (None was found in the car, although Washington claimed to have smelled it.)

The county’s district attorney, a fifty-seven-year-old woman with feathered Charlie’s Angels hair named Lynda K. Russell, arrived an hour later. Russell, who moonlighted locally as a country singer, told Henderson and Boatright that they had two options. They could face felony charges for “money laundering” and “child endangerment,” in which case they would go to jail and their children would be handed over to foster care. Or they could sign over their cash to the city of Tenaha, and get back on the road. “No criminal charges shall be filed,” a waiver she drafted read, “and our children shall not be turned over to CPS,” or Child Protective Services.

“Where are we?” Boatright remembers thinking. “Is this some kind of foreign country, where they’re selling people’s kids off?” Holding her sixteen-month-old on her hip, she broke down in tears.

Later, she learned that cash-for-freedom deals had become a point of pride for Tenaha, and that versions of the tactic were used across the country. “Be safe and keep up the good work,” the city marshal wrote to Washington, following a raft of complaints from out-of-town drivers who claimed that they had been stopped in Tenaha and stripped of cash, valuables, and, in at least one case, an infant child, without clear evidence of contraband.


http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/08/12/130812fa_fact_stillman?currentPage=all

GreenMonkey just wondering if Bajans might someday find themselves in similar predicaments. Hope that our legislation will specifically specify that  assets can only be seized AFTER conviction for criminal activity.

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60 Comments on “The Dark Side of Civil Forfeiture in the USA”

  1. PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926-2013 AND SEE MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS August 8, 2013 at 2:47 AM #

    We sure the first part of this story will dance around the lawyers and Ministers,
    We would not have to worry about the 100,000 $ makers each year to be over taxed in any way. They will make sure they show less on taxes but more in the Banks and to what they drive as part of doing business.
    To convert for personal gains need to be a charge with intent,
    We know bajans lawyers and Ministers will not lock them self up.Long talk and non action is on its way.
    Looking in to most things give you a feeling of WOW , Is Barbados the only place in the World that allow this type of madness , seem like the twilight Zone, Seem more like a bad movie where the drug lords takes over the towns , Where the police sit back paid off with the rest of law enforcement .First Blood,

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  2. David August 8, 2013 at 7:25 AM #

    Shouldn’t we get Transparency Legislation in place first read FOIA and Integrity Legislation?

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  3. PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926-2013 AND SEE MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS August 8, 2013 at 7:38 AM #

    David @ all of that was lies before election to make the Bajans think that the PM and Minister were brave and had brains , But only to trick them all to vote for them , Once again no Truth to their word , as before never to be caught lying.
    We cant look for Acts when they are Acting and Laws when they are lawless. When this PONZI style of government falls flat on its numbers and face we will see how they run for cover,
    They better remember the MAGNA CARTA . THEIR OATH OF OFFICE TO THE NATION , Their time is shorter than they know or think ,

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  4. Caswell Franklyn August 8, 2013 at 8:37 AM #

    The problem here is that our Attorney General went of half cocked without thinking at the behest of the mighty US. You know how of officials get excited when we are entertaining people from outside and talk crap. Remember the Shiprider Agreement, but for Owen Arthur, the US would have been able to come ashore and seize anybody they damn well choose, and do so legally.

    Civil forfeiture is no a bad thing in itself. If you are living the high life with no visible means of support or no evidence of acquiring your worldly goods, I see no reason why you should not be called to account. If you can then say something like my father left it to me in his will or I won Super Lotto then there is no problem.

    Mind you, civil forfeiture can be achieved without the need for any new laws. At present, using the Income Tax Act, a Commissioner could re- assess a tax payer who has acquired wealth and has not paid the income tax that would be commensurate with having that much property. If you fail to pay the property could be sold of if the investigations leads to criminal activity, the matter would then be handed over to Police.

    By the way, what you described is not civil forfeiture. That is a case of crooked law enforcement officials.

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  5. Kiki August 8, 2013 at 9:08 AM #

    I are the herb vendor
    full charged blender
    I & I surrender to no other agenda
    officially this no folly collie

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  6. Say it isn't so August 8, 2013 at 9:20 AM #

    So wait all these NIS debtors to be published….were they not being put in the newspaper before? Did such cause them to own up and PAY UP Sen. Marshall…..I fail to see the logic of your proposal . more so….your deafening silence on matter of recent wid MO CLic MEAT on the bone…..Is like a barracuda whose favorite attack meal of choice is small jacks….

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  7. David August 8, 2013 at 10:54 AM #

    It has to be about naming and shaming AND Enforcement.

    On 8 August 2013 13:20, Barbados Underground

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  8. Pachamama August 8, 2013 at 12:01 PM #

    We have been saying that Barbados is little more than a colony. That we are living in a real world that is no more than a fascist global state. What can be expected than for the local elites to obey the new massa up north. Fools can continue in their Alice in Wonderland but not us, never!

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  9. David August 8, 2013 at 1:09 PM #

    @Caswell

    Can you fill us in what is happening on or offline please?

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  10. Well Well. August 8, 2013 at 1:12 PM #

    The above crimes against people both white, black, etc, has been going on in the US for longer than i can remember, some stories are so horrifying that i still can’t get myself to repeat them.

    Kudos to Arthur for standing up to Bush on Shipriders, i admired it then and still do now, i am sure if it was Brathwaite he would have run with it full tilt just like the now deceased Dominican PM, being a nitwit and all.

    What AG Brathwaite can do regarding the seizure laws that he was so articulate in presenting to the US officials stating he plans to put such before parliament, make sure it defines land, money, houses et al stolen from the trusting sick, weak, unaware, poor, dying and the dead that has already been and still being perpetrated by most lawyers and parliamentary ministers, make sure they serve prison time for their crimes, if he really wants to show taxpayers he is serious and not just a joke.

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  11. GreenMonkey August 8, 2013 at 9:25 PM #

    Why Have Police In America Turned Into Such Ruthless Thugs?

    Once upon a time, the police were one of the most respected institutions in America, but now most Americans fear them. Almost every single day there are multiple stories of police brutality or misconduct that make the national news. Just this week, there have been stories about police killing a baby deer at an animal shelter, about police killinga 95-year-old World War II veteran in a retirement home, and about police using legal technicalities to “legally” steal massive amounts of money from innocent citizens. Why are police acting like this? Why have police in America turned into such ruthless thugs? In the case of the baby deer that was killed, 13 armed agents stormed the animal shelter up in Wisconsin where it was being cared for. Is this really the kind of country that we want our children to grow up in? A country where Bambi is hunted down by armed thugs working for the government? Sadly, the story about that deer is not an isolated incident. The truth is that police all over the country kill animals every single day. In fact, police in Chicago have shot 488 animals since 2008. No wonder people are so afraid to have the police come to their homes.

    Increasingly, police departments all over the United States are being transformed into military-style units. These days, even very minor violations of the law can result in a SWAT team raid. The following is from a recent article by John Whitehead of the Rutherford Institute…

    Consider that in 1980, there were roughly 3,000 SWAT team-style raids in the US. By 2001, that number had grown to 45,000 and has since swelled to more than 80,000 SWAT team raids per year. On an average day in America, over 100 Americans have their homes raided by SWAT teams. In fact, there are few communities without a SWAT team on their police force today. In 1984, 25.6 percent of towns with populations between 25,000 and 50,000 people had a SWAT team. That number rose to 80 percent by 2005.

    snip

    So why are police all over America acting like this?

    Well, one of the primary factors is that they are just following the example that is being set on the federal level.

    The entire country is rapidly being transformed into a “Big Brother” police state, and most Americans seem to like it that way.

    http://investmentwatchblog.com/why-have-police-in-america-turned-into-such-ruthless-thugs/

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  12. Caswell Franklyn August 8, 2013 at 9:28 PM #

    David

    Your comment at 1:09 PM. I am not sure what you are asking.

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  13. David August 8, 2013 at 9:31 PM #

    @Caswell

    The incident between police and customs at airport.

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  14. Caswell Franklyn August 8, 2013 at 10:04 PM #

    David

    From what I am told, the same policeman that arrested a customs guard a few weeks ago was involved in another incident with a different customs guard. Apparently, the policeman claimed that a member of the public reported to him that the guard went into the bathroom empty-handed but when he emerged he was carrying a clutch bag. The constable challenged the guard and insisted that he wanted to see what was inside the bag. The guard refused. A customs supervisor was passing and the policeman related his story to the customs officer. The guard insisted that he was not carrying anything illegal and was not opening his bag. I must repeat, from what I am told the constable reached down and pulled a gun from an ankle holster. At that point the female officer, who was standing between the two men, fearing for her life asked the guard to open the bag. He complied. The policeman having satisfied himself that there was nothing contraband in the bag allowed the customs guard to about his business.

    A gun by itself is not dangerous, but in the hands of a fool – Lord help us.

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  15. David August 8, 2013 at 10:12 PM #

    Thanks Caswell, whoever is to blame somebody needs to show leadership, anybody. We seem to always allow matters to become protracted.

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  16. Caswell Franklyn August 9, 2013 at 12:30 AM #

    As the good leaders in Customs retire, they have been replaced with friends and family and politicians. Most of them don’t have a clue and are not equipped for the job. You will hear that they are qualified but that is mainly because the Qualification Order has been amended to suit the qualifications of the persons they want.

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  17. Code Name Octopussy August 9, 2013 at 7:13 AM #

    That police constabull needs to be dottined.

    By October, Barbados will know if he has cost the Government a million dollars.
    He is a Dottin man and remember that Dottin is alleged to have , according Anderson Bowen, tapped some phones in Barbados.
    Sometimes you give a fellow a little authority and he feels that he is to take on the world no matter what. The exuberance and callous nature of the police constabull in question makes null and void anything successes that he might have had in apprehending certain persons. This police constabull has been doing a lot of nonsense at that place under the cloak of the law and blind individuals in the police force cannot see that sooner or later despite whatever good he may have done , he is going to cause serious embarassment to the force. This list of his indiscretions is long and it is time that they save him from himself. Reaching for his firearm was totally unnecessary especially in a public place and under the circumstances .. It should not go un-punished.

    What was his intent when he drew the Firearm.

    The Commissioner of Police needs to address the matter post haste.
    ——————————————
    Asst . Commander of Red A

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  18. David August 9, 2013 at 7:23 AM #

    Given what we are seeing playing out at the airport is it possible Shanique Myrie has a case?

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  19. BAFBFP August 9, 2013 at 7:30 AM #

    Myrie would not have gone the lengths that she did without having a case. David you wrap yourself in a flag far too often. The representatives of that flag (or any other) will ALWAYS disappoint. Await your apology (…yeah right)

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  20. David August 9, 2013 at 7:57 AM #

    @Baffy

    Apology for what?

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  21. BAFBFP August 9, 2013 at 8:04 AM #

    I sided with Myrie from day one … HA!

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  22. David August 9, 2013 at 8:07 AM #

    We shall see BUT there is no entity on BU who has apologize more than BU when the situation demanded.

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  23. Bush Tea August 9, 2013 at 8:18 AM #

    @ Caswell
    What exactly did the constable do that was “wrong”?
    ….not talking about poor judgement or poor taste (otherwise the whole country would be up shirt street…)
    What did he do that was WRONG to cause this uproar? …..question the actions of a customs officer?

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  24. old onion bags August 9, 2013 at 8:31 AM #

    The Constable went for his firearm ..that’s what he did wrong….Do we do things this way just because we are armed…..think again Don Estwick inbred. Man like you want the whole country to be a OK Coral…think we in Parliament or wat? LOL

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  25. Bush Tea August 9, 2013 at 8:56 AM #

    Thanks Onions…
    So this was an illegal firearm right?
    So he was contravening the Firearms act…?

    …or you mean that YOU just don’t feel he should have taken it out?

    ….cause if this was ISSUED to him as a tool of his job…
    And IF he was properly TRAINED in its use
    ..and if he is expected to use HIS judgement in ‘when and how’ to apply that training
    …what is your point?

    Suppose he felt that the suspect may have been motivated to pull one from the bag being searched – and in order to PREVENT a major encounter, HE decided to dominate the situation FIRST?

    ..it is always easier to be wise AFTER the facts.

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  26. Caswell Franklyn August 9, 2013 at 9:09 AM #

    Bushie

    I have been trained and have trained others in the use of weapons, and in the circumstances that were related to me and as I reported on BU, I could see no conceivable reason why a firearm should be drawn. My take is that he put people’s lives at risk unnecessarily. What about the customs supervisor who happened upon the scene: she was standing between the two when the gun was drawn. There is every possibility that it could have gone off accidentally. It is obvious that the officer was not adequately trained in the use of firearms or if he were he did not take it in.

    I would also like to complement the customs guard for his restraint since it would have been the easiest thing for him to relieve the policeman of the weapon: I am told that he is a black belt in one of the martial arts.

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  27. BAFBFP August 9, 2013 at 9:19 AM #

    Can a Customs officer even breath on a constable in uniform and not expect to face the courts? An acquaintance of mine had to face a magistrate for calling one a Jack Ass …!

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  28. Bush Tea August 9, 2013 at 9:22 AM #

    Come on Caswell…..that question was not directed to Caswell of Unity (representing the Customs staff …LOL…or planning to..) it was to Caswell the logical blogger….

    What is the story of the TRAINED cop?
    Why did he consider it necessary?
    Why did your customs man decline to open the bag initially when asked?
    Don’t you think that the cop KNEW he was a black belt? …what would YOU have done in that case …run?
    What danger what?!
    Was a round up the breech?
    Was the safety on?
    Was anyone hurt?

    Seems to Bushie’s that what we have here is an intelligent, effective, committed and dedicated cop……WHO DOES HIS JOB….and who is a thorn in the side of certain people

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  29. BAFBFP August 9, 2013 at 9:25 AM #

    If that cop was PM, we would be at war with Trinidad long time . HA

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  30. Bush Tea August 9, 2013 at 9:35 AM #

    @ Baffy
    Bushie says let us find out who he is and elect his ass to parliament…ASAP.

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  31. David August 9, 2013 at 11:09 AM #

    It is incomprehensible that a policeman would ‘draw’ a gun without cause.

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  32. old onion bags August 9, 2013 at 11:40 AM #

    Bushie

    Sit down and stop offering to be Malvolio…..Caswell being quick to the draw….has interceded well and now dun mash you up….How you could present such foolishness under the guise of what is legit and correct is bare syntax swaddle….Two grown co-workers, one carrying a gun… the other none….as Bajans we all know how this plays out….monkey handlin gun and wanting to play most man seeing an audience….FOR real the policeman want dottin….suppose that gun went off ..would your horse waddle still stand? …..No, so sit down.

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  33. BAFBFP August 9, 2013 at 12:01 PM #

    A birdie tell me that the Constable had prior knowledge of the Customs Officer’s standing in the Martial Arts community Belt and decided to approach the situation with that in mind … HA HA HA

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  34. old onion bags August 9, 2013 at 12:07 PM #

    Tekk naught Baffy….we all saw that coming….. but you like a licorish john- jack swallow um run wid it ..LOL

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  35. Posh August 9, 2013 at 12:25 PM #

    SOME ( not all) Customs officers in conjunction with red caps are responsible for the loss of millions of dollars of government revenue each year by smuggling vast amounts of alcohol and cigarettes out of the airport. When you have 10 customs officers working in conjunction with about 10 red caps, smuggling 100 bottles or more of alcohol out per day, 700 per week, 2800/month it adds up when you total it for the year.

    I also like how no one was there but yet everyone has their own view of what happened, who did what and who should have done what.. Actually the bag was filled with cigarettes. To be smuggled out the airport contrary to the customs act.

    When in a situation, police sometimes have only split seconds to decide what to do, then those split seconds are turned into months of time to subsequently debate what he should have done.

    And as for firearm training, I’ve seen none in Barbados for us normal folks which includes a use of force policy. The police have one. If he felt threatened by the suspicious circumstances of someone in uniform going into a bathroom without anything and leaving with a bag as reported by a third party which is information he is acting on, then he well justified in drawing a firearm until the threat recedes.

    Now you will ask how does a customs officer holding a bag become a threat? Well ordinarily he doesn’t, but under the highly suspicious circumstances reported, perhaps his demeanor during the encounter may have caused said officer to feel threatened.

    The point in the end is we do not know the full details of what happened, and I seriously doubt one of the Force’s more elite members would pull a firearm for show. To work in those positions you have to go through processes which ensure you are of the highest standing ethically.

    I don’t see customs officers taking polygraphs. I don’t see custom officers doing drug tests like the army and police. What have they got to hide? A least the army and the police try to be transparent.

    As for unions, they don’t care if their charges were wrong or right, they are just like a lawyer who will defend a guilty client.

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  36. David August 9, 2013 at 12:29 PM #

    @Posh

    You are correct. BU knows one Red Cap who is a source of cheap liquor. You call him and he delivers.

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  37. Kiki August 9, 2013 at 12:46 PM #

    DING If you ain’t got money they can’t take shit

    Bird In Hand
    As soon as our eyes met, somebody’s heart went mad
    My tale has happened, somebody’s tale
    Don’t ask me love’s effect, oh, don’t ask
    I took a breath and somebody happened, somebody’s lover

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  38. Bush Tea August 9, 2013 at 1:45 PM #

    @ Onions
    …you mean after all these years on BU you still have no respect for Hants….?
    You realize that he is a bright- ass HC man?….and a big up rich Bajan-Canadian ? …driving a top-o-d-line Beemer?

    Did Hants not tell you that Bushie knows EVATHING!!?? :)

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  39. serenity August 9, 2013 at 4:23 PM #

    I doubt the Barbados authorities would try to rail road people the way the usa is doing. People think the usa is a holier than thou nation.

    They judge everyone else, they have black lists of people and countries that do not heed their demands. They do what suits them, when it suits them.

    So much more of their corrupt international practices have come to light as a result of whistle blowers and the internet.

    One of many documented international examples: the cia working with other agencies mossad and mi5 subverted a democratically elected Iranian government, installed their own puppet government and helped them keep power by supplying advanced weapons for their security force.

    Then Iran had a revolution and got rid of the installed dictator and sacked the usa embassy.

    And you wonder why Iranians hate the western world?

    Usa Embassies are not for diplomats. They have dea, cia, nsa employees attached to them. How do you feel they can maintain so much information on every aspect of every country in the world.

    As for their own internal corruption. Their local and state authorities are so corrupt from the head right back down to the ordinary state or county employee.

    The only thing keeping them afloat is the federal government. The country is a total farse.

    With regard to asset seizure here. Let the people driving around range rover and bmw show the books from their company or their banks account to show they legitimately earned that money. If you can’t show where the money came from, either income or net income for your company, high chances you are involved in some form of illegal activity which you cannot declare.

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  40. Well Well. August 9, 2013 at 8:13 PM #

    Plantation……….they better start watching out for those no fly lists.

    _______________________________________________

    By Caribbean News Now contributor

    CASTRIES, St Lucia — According to local reports, Saint Lucia commissioner of police, Vernon Francois, was not permitted to board a flight from Hewanorra International Airport Lucia to the United States to participate in US organized and financed training programmes.

    vernon_francois.jpg
    Saint Lucia commissioner of police, Vernon Francois
    This latest incident comes on the heels of earlier reports of US visa revocations of senior members of the force and a former government minister.

    According to local sources, the situation has reached the point where decisive action must be taken on matters concerning money laundering, drug trafficking and extrajudicial killings.

    “This series of events is not only embarrassing for Saint Lucia and the status of the island’s law and order, it is a matter that requires further explanation by Prime Minister Kenny Anthony and Senator Philip Victor La Corbiniere Minister for Legal Affairs, Home Affair and National Security,” one local observer said.

    In a statement of Friday, the government of Saint Lucia said it is aware of the concerns and anxieties expressed by the public over what it described as the decision by the United States to disallow officers of the Royal Saint Lucia Police Force from participating in several training programmes arranged or financed by the US.

    “The government also appreciates that these concerns and anxieties extend to the ranks of the Royal Saint Lucia Police Force,” the statement said.

    The government acknowledged that it was in the country’s vital interest to maintain close ties of co-operation with the United States in security matters.

    “The issues are serious and complex,” the government said however.

    The statement said that Prime Minister Dr Kenny Anthony will, on a date to be announced early next week, issue a statement to explain and address the issues of concern and, in particular, the reasons for the actions of the United States against officers of the Royal Saint Lucia Police Force.

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  41. JUST ASKING August 9, 2013 at 8:24 PM #

    I don t know but is the duty free buying legal or illegal whem people living here buy it use right here?

    They got guyanese in every store in town asking yuh if yuh want to buy duty free. I thought that duty free was for like tourists who spending a short time and then living ovverseas not for people living in Barbados. What is the Government , Customs and the Police-doing about the duty free scam in Sheraton and Bridgetown-Wait a minute Customs and the Police —-LOL LOL —Them fighting one another —Idiots !!!. A police pull a gun pn a Customs man–well well Natty Green mussee perplexed wherever he is.

    But if everybody buy duty free the government would lose
    So why the Government aint stopping the people in town. The Store Owners should be jailed for undermining the economy in these harsh economic times. All the people who owe Government and thiefing from Government in these dire economic times should be Jailed on sight or on site that is –put under House arrest

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  42. do August 9, 2013 at 8:32 PM #

    I understand that there are some people who cannot leave Barbados to go to the States for the same reasons as given above
    I do not know if Michael is one
    I do not know if former Customs men , former Ministers, former Policemen –(Oh Gosh nuh –Looka muh crosses) Look how they gave Dottin one day’s notice to leave the place. You Barbados can be cruel yeah) –If I may continue before I was rudely interrupted by a stray thought.
    I dont know if a former show promoter is one
    A former buller not turn back man is one

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  43. JUST ASKING August 9, 2013 at 8:35 PM #

    Wuh happen hey ?
    The above post is from moi
    dont what happen
    probably missed and type do in the space without realising
    Let me correct it
    This Blog belongs to me too–I can do as I like
    LOL -David –Dont feel threatened
    Here goes

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  44. JUST ASKING August 9, 2013 at 8:36 PM #

    understand that there are some people who cannot leave Barbados to go to the States for the same reasons as given above
    I do not know if Michael is one
    I do not know if former Customs men , former Ministers, former Policemen –(Oh Gosh nuh –Looka muh crosses) Look how they gave Dottin one day’s notice to leave the place. You Barbados can be cruel yeah) –If I may continue before I was rudely interrupted by a stray thought.
    I dont know if a former show promoter is one
    A former buller not turn back man is one

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  45. Caswell Franklyn August 9, 2013 at 9:21 PM #

    Just Asking

    I don’t mean to nitpick but Dottin was not given one day’s notice. As a matter of fact, he had no notice. He was given a letter on June 17, 2013 dated the same date which informed him that he would be placed on leave with immediate effect.

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  46. PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926-2013 AND SEE MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS August 9, 2013 at 9:40 PM #

    Dottin played the nasty game on Violet Beckles so now its his turn , If he had held to the laws of the land he would still be in place , In the short run he hide the truth and now the truth catch up to his ways, He has no foundation to grip. Lack of his duties to serve and protect the laws of this land and the elderly from the main crooks of Barbados.
    He could never be so blind or with out light to the truth,
    What good for truth is even better for lies.
    May he sit and think what might have been , that would have been the truth and the facts of Barbados ,,,

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  47. Serenity August 9, 2013 at 10:09 PM #

    Wow bad news for st lucia. They should just say a loud fuck you to the USA,and just work with the UK or Israel for all their training or security needs. Then they should welcome the Iranians and Venezuelans with open arms, the Chinese and Russians and tell the USA to pack up their embassy and leave.

    At least they’d have their pride. We talk about pride and industry in Barbados, but we’ve really just traded one oppressor for another. It’s all about the USA, it’s all about americans and american citizens. american interests.

    They are just fucking us so far up the ass we can’t even feel it anymore. They have penetrated our government and infrastructure so thoroughly that they have integrated themselves into our systems and just pull strings in the background.

    You think that we manufacture or know how to use wire tapping equipment? It came from the USA. The police here were trained by the USA to use it for their purposes, in the end the police here just had a few things in mind they wished to use it for as well.

    You can probably bet that if certain government officials phones were tapped, the americans probably wanted to listen to what they were saying.

    They’ll probably find some way to target me with ‘prism’ just by this internet post alone.

    A long time ago I used to think america were the good ones. the bible speaks of a final war between good and evil. Well it makes sense if the war would be hard fought for the good side. Since the americans can pretty much nuke the world and destroy everyone with their oversized defense budget and advanced warfare technology, it would seem the underdogs in any final conflict are russia and china and the rest of the world.

    Seems america has become the evil but it hasn’t been fully realized yet. How else can we describe a country who has penetrated the infrastructure, economy and society of every other country in the world with their spying, manipulation and subversion all in self interest. They are in the ‘super’ position they are because they lied, cheated, stole, murdered, subverted and coerced their way there.

    What other country does what america does? As a result the american dollar is dominate, everything they do is dominant, put themselves in a dominant position over the rest of the world. Employing any means necessary to remain their. All the while fooling their population and security and spy apparatus who carry out these deeds, that it is all in national security interests, because the ‘east’ or the muslims or the ‘terrorists’ want to end their way of life and their freedom.

    Well the terrorists blow up the WTC, killed 3000 odd people. For the past 10 years the collatoral civilian damage dealt by americas war on terror makes the WTC attack look like a mugging. Drones blow up a school? Oh casualty of war. Missed their target.

    America is a terrorist nation, they just do it smarter and prettier than their ‘enemies’. Their enemies don’t have drones, they barely have some rpg’s and rifles, so they blow stuff up where they can with improvised bombs and storm places and shoot up stuff.

    Americans just drop their shit from the sky or sea. americans can kill you anywhere in the world if they say your a threat to them. they just have to send a team to mark your position, then the drones comes in and boom. all with the push of buttons, control of joysticks and communications.

    They invaded pakistan in an unlawful cross border raid and killed bin laden, bin laden is a dirtbag anyway, no tears shed, but it just shows you, you have two choices where they are concerned. Take the fucking up the ass, or a missile. One really hurts, the other kills.

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  48. JUST ASKING August 10, 2013 at 6:38 AM #

    Thanks Caswell Not nitpicking at all Very important but I took it from a certain Newspaper publication that he was given a day to vacate the premises.

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  49. BAFBFP August 10, 2013 at 9:03 AM #

    Serenity

    How do you know that Bin Laden was a dirt bag …? In fact his opinion of the US (and USSR’s) hegemony was exactly like yours and that was precisely why he was blamed for 9-11. Seems to me that you too have been penetrated … and you do not even know it …! Hmmmm

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  50. PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926-2013 AND SEE MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS August 10, 2013 at 10:25 AM #

    Shiprider Agreemen$$$ Well Owen as PM and Mia as AG knew what crook deals they were doing and at that time so did the US of A, So it will show you why the BLP at that time would have to say hell no to the Americans.
    The wall of this massive taking on the back of fraud can not and will not stand for ever ,
    Now this Pm to take the lead in slavery monies? to again slow down the history of the owners of the plantations ” deeds”that will show you who own what?
    This DLP PM will have to join up with the BLP to keep all things hidden . The dead slaves are at the door of history looking to get in ,, Or Hannibal is at the door. ,
    We will now see how slow this PM will move on this massive undertaking , We wonder who ask him to take lead or did he raise his hand.

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  51. Well Well. August 10, 2013 at 10:47 AM #

    Plantation………….you really gotta wonder, this guy is not known for being proactive so i want to know who was dumb enough to assign PM Stuart as Chair of Caribbean reparations committee.

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  52. Bush Tea August 10, 2013 at 10:53 AM #

    @ Plantation Deeds

    Look DEEDS, you could do a bushman a likkle favour? ….dey got a acre and uh half pon a hill in St John (don’t tell JUST ASKING) wid a view of the sea….
    Bushie can’t be too specific after cussing Miller just now, but um got a tan colour cow tie on um….and nuff black belly sheep..

    …you could tell Bushie if de deeds clear pun um? Wunna got any papers fuh St. John?

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  53. PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926-2013 AND SEE MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS August 10, 2013 at 5:40 PM #

    Bush Tea @ so funny, i had to read that twice to get it good. Yes we have deeds for St john , Pool 423 acres,, subject to greater proof by the BLP/DLP or fraud squad.

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  54. PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926-2013 AND SEE MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS August 10, 2013 at 5:47 PM #

    Well Well @ Maybe for the PM bought this last election and won , So they may want some one who will be there longer than most, the other might loose the next time around and they might if Barbados make sport with the pay outs, Or try to put the money in the Nations pocket and not pay the names that needed be paid like GWBush did during the Gulf War of 50,000 US $ to each troop.But the money went to the govt bank account.
    Lets hope this crooks ass PM dont pull the same she-it for then 1937 will be back here before his term end , As We know it we have till 2023 for all this to be done , Lets hope they dont wait till the last year to see all things done.

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  55. JUST ASKING August 10, 2013 at 5:50 PM #

    What are you going to do about St. John people ?
    What about the ‘whites’ in that dark parish, the poorest parish in Barbados ?

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  56. PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926-2013 AND SEE MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS August 10, 2013 at 6:24 PM #

    We are not looking to move anyone, Just to pay the right people. If there was a move half will be in the Ocean , It not about that, the crooks are taking and not paying taxes on the rents they are collecting ,So most them have to pay more taxes to cover the rest by paying more.
    Ex , Person came by 2 days ago , They to own 2.5 acres of land from a family member . Another member of the same family cut up the land in to 6 parts and now they get 6 land tax bills that cost more than when it was in one part. No when the so called owner check with land tax she only get one bill for the 2.5 and still the other being charge for the 6 parts. more money more fraud.All of this was done with out the permission of the owner . So we see the land surveyor need to make sure he getting permission from the owner before entering on the land before cutting up with a deed to read.

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  57. PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926-2013 AND SEE MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS August 10, 2013 at 6:49 PM #

    JUST ASKING @ LAND RENT IS 500bds A YEAR ABOUT 42BDS A MONTH,, WHAT IS YOUR LAND TAX BILL, iF YOU BOUGHT LAND RIGHT WITH NO FRAUD THEN YOU WILL BE STUCK WITH LAND TAX FOR EVER AND MOVE UP WHEN EVER THE MINISTER NEED MORE MONEY.If they tax land rent we will pay the tax on the land rent and not added to the 500bds
    remember VAT and UDC came to being in 1997 , launder the land .r, VAT is paying the 12.50 to your 2.50=15.00a square foot UDC deal?
    This is not about race , if it was i would be fighting my self
    My father work to help build Barbados.He sat down with White people talking about Blacks at the same table not in a nice way. He look more like them so they felt safe speaking,
    We checked the Bajan Book FREEDMEN OF BARBADOS AND WE CAN FIND EITHER side of mother or father family name,,,,

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  58. Simple Simon August 10, 2013 at 10:42 PM #

    August 9th at 8:56 a.m. “Suppose he felt that the suspect may have been motivated to pull one from the bag being searched – and in order to PREVENT a major encounter, HE decided to dominate the situation FIRST?”

    Suppose Bushie, your grandmother had balls

    Then she would be your grandfather.

    But she didn’t have balls.

    And she wasn’t your grandfather.

    Suppose, suppose!!!.

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  59. PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926-2013 AND SEE MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS August 11, 2013 at 7:17 PM #

    http://barbadosfreepress.wordpress.com/2012/09/24/another-crooked-barbados-lawyer-steals-foreigners-real-estate-money/

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  60. K.G.B December 14, 2013 at 8:40 AM #

    Who going to jail for the crimes?

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