Does Barbados Aspire to Become the Warehouse and Whorehouse of Unskilled Labour in the Caribbean?

Canadian Court orders woman to removed Niqab

Canadian Court orders woman to remove Niqab

This week in the news we learned that a Canadian woman will have to remove her Niqab in order to testify against her attackers. This is a case which has occupied the attention of the Courts for five years – read Niqab ban in sexual assault trial causes controversy. Also in the news this week, and closer to home, we heard from Jamaican Minister of Foreign Affairs and Foreign Trade AJ Nicholson uttering his concern that Jamaica is not satisfied with how free movement of nationals across the Caribbean Community (Caricom) is being facilitated – read Nicholson to address Jamaican travel across CARICOM.

BU took interest in the comments of Nicholson because he pointed to the Shanique Myrie case which is pending before the Caribbean Court of Appeal. By doing so he made his intention obvious that Barbados was in his ‘gun sight’.

In strictly legal terms the two cases are unrelated BUT for BU the cases resonate because in the Canadian judgement there is a sense that the laws of Canada are in consonance with the expectation of mainstream society. In the case of the Myrie matter one gets the feeling that Barbados is being bombarded by some obligation under the Revised Treaty of Chaguaramas even at the risk of compromising its rights as a sovereign country. Are we a sovereign country or not? Why doesn’t Jamaica take a similar case to the World Court to challenge the decision to refuse their citizens entry into the USA, UK and several other developed countries which occur with frequency on a daily basis. If they were to pursue this avenue one may believe that their motive in the Myrie case is sincere.

Ms. Myrie alleges that she was discriminated against because of her nationality in violation of the Revised Treaty of Chaguaramas (RTC) and the 2007 Decision of the Conference of CARICOM Heads of Government. These Agreements, she claims, provide CARICOM nationals with a right of entry to all CARICOM countries.  She also claims that her detention overnight in Barbados was unlawful and that her treatment violated the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the Charter of Civil Society, and other international accords and agreements” – More details on CCJ website.

BU is reminded by a comment made by Prime Minister Fruendel Stuart in his former role as Attorney General. At that time when Barbados was gripped in the Guyanese invasion debate, he stated to the effect, that Barbados will not allow itself to become the warehouse of unskilled labour. BU is always tempted to replace warehouse with whorehouse. A visit to Nelson Street, Fontabelle, Clubs and private parties there is the possibility to be treated to the performances of imported girls from neighbouring islands especially from JAMAICA.  Are we saying that our border authority should have their hands tied by the RTC where we must allow unrestricted access to our country by girls with $300.00 in their bosoms who want to stay for 3 weeks?

BU issues the disclaimer that all immigrant from Caribbean islands do not subtract form wholesome productivity. We however have to be intelligent enough to separate the issues by quelling our urge to become emotional.

For many years Jamaica looked North to fulfil the economic aspirations of its people. It seems to BU because this channel has been choked off because of the tightening of immigration laws and the global economic downturn, our tiny islands are being bullied to welcome this influx of immigrants whose majority objective is to add to the burden of our moral, security and economic fabric.

It is premature to take this matter any further until we receive the CCJ decision promised in 2-3 months. Given Barbados penchant for taking it in the gut from the other Caribbean islands post the Tome Adams era, one wonders what Prime Minister Fruendel Stuart will do if the CCJ rules in favour of Myrie.

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153 Comments on “Does Barbados Aspire to Become the Warehouse and Whorehouse of Unskilled Labour in the Caribbean?”

  1. lawson April 28, 2013 at 10:45 AM #

    Moneybrain Lawson started me off ……. typical true bajan blaming someone else lawson the jamaicans the guyanese the economy you complain about paying 100000+ in taxes you are well aware what you earn to pay that kind of taxes I doubt that is in biwi So dont crap on the country that gave you that living just pay up.

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  2. Moneybrain April 28, 2013 at 11:01 AM #

    @Lawson
    Forgive me for telling the truth, I appreciate it is rare these days. But it is not a major point just explaining the invalidity of the accusation directed at me.

    Skippa Canada did NOT give me that standard of living. God gave me the brains, HC gave me the education as a result of that God given ability and I analysed the World and went to Canada. If not for my old parents I might have gone to Australia. USA was an option. I would be successful in any country including Bim where it is possible to progress. Why? ATTITUDE and absolute DETERMINATION to be in the top couple of % in many aspects! I have family who succeeded in Aus and UK! My UK based cousin designed and built the new Bridgetown Sewerage System 30yrs+ back.

    I holding U culpable again for forcing me OFF TOPIC! LOL.
    WE owe it to Canada and Bim to be critical of the current situation, this is how proper development is born, NOT by patting ourselves on the back for a mediocre job. Should you retire because U became a millionaire at 35???
    I had a client who semi retired prematurely against my advice, and now has set himself back considerably as a result.

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  3. Well Well April 28, 2013 at 11:11 AM #

    “WE owe it to Canada and Bim to be critical of the current situation, this is how proper development is born, NOT by patting ourselves on the back for a mediocre job”.

    That’s the message we have been trying to impart on everyone, this is called civic duty, ……………not trying to keep secrets covered up because you are getting a little pick from the party or some dropped crumbs…………if people like Carson could understand that, these parties would not be getting away with a quarter of the crimes they commit against the taxpayers. Case in point, CLICO among others.

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  4. Sargeant April 28, 2013 at 11:17 AM #

    Alan Emtage didn’t patent it!!!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/01/alan-emtage-search-engine_n_2994090.html

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  5. millertheanunnaki April 28, 2013 at 11:40 AM #

    @ Lemuel | April 28, 2013 at 7:07 AM |
    “This world is about to get so up sided down that places where we now think are safe shall be like war zones. The current economic hic cup is only the beginning.”

    A most profound prognosis! Shows you are not only a political and social commentator but also an inchoate visionary of some metaphysical insight. It is projected that 2019 would be the chronological start of the real beginning of a new cycle of chaos.

    Now who would you like to see in charge of this little rock of ‘Feminine’
    confusion? Not a MAM instead of a MAN? If she goes, as you would insist, who would be in charge of things?
    The young and insecure Santie or the wooden Kerrie Symmonds fella? Certainly not that Pa(y)ne in the ass’s choice of a smiling idiot that the old piece of the rock would like to see slip away from St. Josephine and turned into the sands of time like those in St. Andrew? Payne would be better off identifying and grooming his successor for the knighthood of St. Andrew instead of being a downright pain in the ass in the BLP. He is not of the future but of the past behind. Let him take his exit followed by his valet “Smiley” who will never be leader or PM.
    The “Short Grass” fella is no lover of MAM and will be dealt with in the course of time. Let him proceed with his own political execution. The lady has time on her side.

    BTW, a word of advice; be careful of any feigned association with or pretentious agreement coming from CCC or ac. Let the snake and idiot advise Chris the “Buffoon” Sinckliar how to fool Bajans into believing that the BLP is responsible for the current state of economic affairs and should be blamed for the upcoming initial wave of layoffs around 2,000 on the table. After all, it is the BLP’s recommended stimulus package that has Bim in the current mess, right ac and CCC?

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  6. Well Well April 28, 2013 at 11:56 AM #

    Miller………don’t know if Carson will answer you, he does not answer me at all, I sense AC is beginning to see light………….i believe eventually people will begin to recognize that this recession that has been ongoing for roughly a decade can easily live on for another decade or more……………….with devastating effects, and this is not doom and gloom but stark reality, everyone is getting antsy because solutions are basically non existent for large economies………..Spain = 27% employment, Europe in an uproar, Switzerland shutting it’s doors tight to EU workers, other EU countries are looking to England to send their workers, but I have met a ton of British people in Canada looking for work, and it is also scarce here………….well, we won’t mention America cause everyone knows they are hanging by a thread……………..so these supporters can bury their heads as deep as they want to, reality does not go away.

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  7. Alvin Cummins April 28, 2013 at 12:00 PM #

    @David
    Inspectors from NIS do come around and check. When I had my lab there they came around on a frequent basis to ensure that I had made contributions for my staff. What happens is that some employers are not as forthright as they should be and then the NIS has to take action which causes delays and hiccups in the system.
    @ Moneybrains, So you must accept that Bim is no different from Canada-has the same problems (in every respect) and seeks the same solutions, The U.S, the U.K (growth 0.3%,) and now Germany, all in the same position. Your predictions of doom and gloom; your prediction of the inevitable”collapse” of the economy have been made before. We will survive (in Bim) and necessary adjustments will be made. Things were MUCH worse during the war years. You are in Canada, check out todays’ Sun and see the laments about:GovT. debt (“Ontario in Debt hole”, ‘One of the worst cases in Canada’) Taxes (“Taxed to the Max” …”Average family’s burden will only grow unless spending cut”…”There is little left over for families to spend on things they want to spend on (like trips overseas/) because they are paying more for government.”. By the way the article says…”Back in 1961 Canadians were earning $5,000.00 annually on average, paying a total tax bill of $1,675.00. In 2012 these numbers were $74,000.00 and $31,000.00 respectively. If they can survive so can we. Don’t despair. We have good, talented young people with their heads on straight and they will progress, at their own pace, in their own way and when we are dead they will carry on without us being able to bother them to live as we used to live.

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  8. Alvin Cummins April 28, 2013 at 12:11 PM #

    @ Well Well
    I keep telling you that the CLICO debacle should not be placed at the feet of BAJANS. I keep reminding you that CL financial (based in Trinidad) is the PARENT company and are the ones to be held responsible. ACTION HAS TO BE TAKEN AGAINST CL FINANCIAL. An action brought against Clico (Barbados) as a seperate entity, cannot succeed, until the matter (an action) brought against with CL financial succeeds. Angustura Bitters is a subsidiary of CL financial. An action brought against Angustura bitters cannot affect CLICO, they are seperate companies, but both owned by CL Financial.

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  9. Well Well April 28, 2013 at 12:31 PM #

    Alvin…………………….I don’t know if you recall, but late PM Thompson explicitly told policyholders that these were separate entities, so are we to gather from what you are telling us that all the missing millions somehow found it’s way to Trinidad even given that I understand that Duprey was using CLICO as a piggy bank, and so were Parris and Thompson…………..someone has to be held accountable.

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  10. lawson April 28, 2013 at 12:33 PM #

    Money brain I agree only dead fish swim with the stream,however my father told me growing up if you want to get ahead they have to like your face.I read constantly on this blog or others that black people cannot get ahead in barbados because of the old money.Brains or not. this seems to fly in the face of how you grew up.Barbados seems to be a country of connections if you have them you have access to money and jobs. If not well your screwed.Without programs in place in a system to help newcomers who do not have family or friends already there they will eventually have to turn to crime or prostitution to feed themselves.Thank god you had family in canada otherwise pole dancing may have been your key to success. Thank your cousin for me, everytime I almost get washed into the sea when waste from one of those sewage canals burst through the sand I will think of him

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  11. Well Well April 28, 2013 at 12:34 PM #

    If I am understanding you Alvin, when they lock up Duprey, bajan policyholders can then file suit against the Trinidad government, cause as far as I know they have taken over CL Financial…………..so if they are able to successfully do that, what about Parris, who was CEO in Bim and directly responsible for transactions, will Trinidad have to arrest him or will Barbados?

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  12. Well Well April 28, 2013 at 12:57 PM #

    Wait……………….yuh telling me no one thought that far ahead, except maybe Parris?, I hope.

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  13. Moneybrain April 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM #

    @Lawson
    Black peeps cant get ahead in Bdos????????????
    While it is true that there are insufficient opportunities in Bim due to errant Govt Policies, especially in this current economic catastrophe infesting the Western World which BTW was predictable due to poor financial oversight and known massively increasing competition from the East (China, India,Russia etc) The fact over the last 40yrs is that Black peeps in Bim have made great strides in terms of a multiplicity of life’s aspects, including a much higher standard of living.

    Many black peeps have “made their own luck”. Luck is found at the intersection of determination, positive attitude, hardwork and preparedness!
    Many black professionals have in some cases risen from very poor families to become Doctors, Lawyers, business men etc. It is totally indisputable that it can be done! ( I went to school with these chaps) However, there are also those lazyasses who have been fed BS by Pols that the world owes them a living and we will give u whatever on a silver platter.

    The Govt (Party irrelevant) has always indicated that Bajans dont need to be involved in agriculture because that has bad history! Utter nonsense encouraging peeps in NOT considering growing their own food wherever possible. Makes absolutely no sense. Try eating banknotes when food is short with your fantastic lil bank job!

    I know a poor Bajan fella that was given the opportunity to drive an Ice-Cream van.
    In lil time he became the number 1 salesman and indeed made like 2X the second performer! WHY? Many determined black peeps in Bim have accomplished much while others complain about this and that. Successful peeps dont sit on their backside and complain, they find the road to success.
    I have never been satisfied that I am doing my best, always intent on improvement!

    Pols did not even have the brains to find a solution to pre-dial larceny from those who try to grow food in Bim. Why not devise an accounting system to PROVE ownership of produce?????? When big businesses suffer major theft like a container going missing they can prove via paperwork that the person holding the goods did not buy them legitimately.

    If the Bajan Leadership sincerely convened the best and cleverest to properly plan Bim’s successful Future then jobs would be plentiful. Remember 33 yrs back they played “hardball” with Intel and needlessly lost 1000 jobs. Pols could have found a solution that kept those jobs and encouraged other growing businesses to bring tons of jobs to Bim.

    BDOS OPEN for BUSINESS!
    Like Singapore did, with a well educated workforce.

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  14. David April 28, 2013 at 3:57 PM #

    So far the Police Task Force appears to be plucking low hanging fruit. We await some of the ‘big shot’ names who must be involved in trafficking to supply those high priced ladies for West Coast clientele.

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  15. lawson April 28, 2013 at 4:22 PM #

    as much as these women are willing to sell themselves I have more respect for them than the lawyers and politicians down there………at least they will stop screwing you once you are dead

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  16. Well Well April 28, 2013 at 4:34 PM #

    Lawson……….i don’t think even you understand what you just said…….a female attorney herbert, forces this dying old lady to sign a will, but an error was made on the will so it had to be fixed, ran back to the nursing home to force the lady to resign the will, but she died during the night…………you would think that would stop her right…………wrong………….she got one of her employees to forge the woman’s signature and lodged the will anyway, then tried to probate the will, she was stopped by the high court but last i heard she was still fighting to get the forged will probated so she and her client could rob the other family members of some land down mount standfast in St. James, near glitter bay…………Lawyers in Bim not only screw you when you are dead but while you are dying…………They are extremely vicious savages, this female lawyer should be now near 80 years old………so go figure.

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  17. Well Well April 28, 2013 at 4:37 PM #

    David……….it would be a pleasant surprise if the police force actually did their jobs and arrested the real human traffickers in Barbados, whom i know they are fully aware of their identities……..instead of trying to mamaguy the public.

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  18. Alvin Cummins April 28, 2013 at 6:17 PM #

    @ Well Well:
    First of all, despite what people want to say, Parris was an employee: CEO of CLICO, and it’s subsidiaries (Guyana, St. Lucia, etc), but he was accountable to CL Financial. If the Govt of T&T have acquired CL Financial, and have not changed the organizational structure, they still control CLICO and it’s subsidiaries. A lot of CLICO investment money (EPA and EFPA ) would have gone to CL financial, requested by the head office (CL financial, Duprey etc), thus the Trinidad Govt. as the new “owner” of Cl Financial;(thus CLICO), would have to be sued and held accountable. Parris etc would have to be held accountable for the financial machinations that would have enabled CLICO (locally) to have advanced money to CL Financial (whatever the mechanism; loan (short term or long term), under what conditions etc. and this would have to come out in any lawsuit filed. Again, people keep mixing up Life Insurance policies, and INVESTMENT instruments such as the Executive Premium annuities, and the Executive Flexible Premium Annuities; these are different The Life Insurance Policy Holders have greater protection than those who put their money in the INVESTMENT instruments.This is why I keep telling people that there has to be seperation of claims. That is also why when the Supervisor of Insurance tried, through the law courts to stop CLICO from selling Insurance policies, the courts did not accept it. He could only stop them from selling the EPA and EFPA.s. Parris has to be held accountable for the money that went to Trinidad (the transactions, that you are talking about,not doubting that some might have passed through him; but never reached its destination, but this would have to be proven in a court of law) and he would have to be accountable for these inter-company transfers. Rumour and innuendo will not hold up in court. This is why many people who invested (gambled) with the EPA’s and especially the EFPA s( but against the legal restrictions), when they should not have,, may not have a leg to stand on in the final analysis. If Duprey is brought to trial it will all come out in the wash, and if I am wrong it will be seen..Duprey as the BIG BOY in CL Financial can be sued for actions and responsibility for transactions befre the Trinidad Government got in the act. All these will take time and a LOT of money, to reach a satisfactory conclusion. He may end up in Jail eventually but it will take time to prove his wrongdoing.By the way, it is no sense arresting people unless you have a strong case that can be proven in court. As i said earlier, Rumour and INNUENDO cannot stand up in court.
    @Money brain. I agree with you entirely. It is important to recognize when opportunity comes knocking and be prepared to take the chance. Jamaicans are more prepared to take chances (especially as entrepreneurs) than Bajans, who like to stay in one job from first employment until retirement, won’t even risk changing the job for a better one.

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  19. David April 28, 2013 at 6:25 PM #

    It has already been established that CLICO Barbados Holdings Ltd is a legal entity incorporated in Barbados. The only obligation would be outstanding under ‘Due from HO’. The legal entity incorporated in Barbados will have to source the capital from its balance sheet to satisfy its liabilities.

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  20. Well Well April 28, 2013 at 6:40 PM #

    Alvin………………Duprey will be lucky to survive to be jailed…….with regards to Parris, in any business transaction there is a paper trail, if you cannot find that paper trail it’s because of fraud, theft and wholesale dishonesty, I know of CEOs Enron (committed suicide) and Tyco (25 years in jail) come to mind who go to jail for wholesale theft………………because Parris is small time by world standards and is obviously being protected by the politicians, does not mean he should not pay as long as a proper investigation is undertaken, the company is incorporated in Bim, he should be made to pay in Bim, money cannot walk away by itself, he as CEO of CLICO and Thompson as CLICOs attorney had access to the company’s millions that disappeared……………these kinds of thievery will definitely chase investors from the island’s shores, cause if you steal from policy holders, investors will think you will steal from them. That’s how CEOs in the real world are imprisoned, use the paper trail to follow the money, there has been no investigation so obviously Parris and his supporters will think all is well…………..we shall see.

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  21. David April 28, 2013 at 6:46 PM #

    Well Well

    These guys have enough money to string this thing our in the courts for years.

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  22. Well Well April 28, 2013 at 6:50 PM #

    David…………….they will also go broke…………Duprey had much more money than either Parris or Thompson and he is starting to sell assets to satisfy debts, remember money is not coming in, it is leaving in great heaps, recession in full swing, no one will trust them with business transactions……………when the full weight of the law descends on them, they will be flat broke by the time the court is finished and they are hopefully imprisoned……….if Duprey is lucky he will be safely in prison, people in TT are very angry about their money.

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  23. lawson April 28, 2013 at 9:23 PM #

    how far off topic can you get ,and you take me to task……, a jamaican prostitute goes to the queen elisabeth with heart palputations the doctors give her a physical they tell her she has acute angina she says thankyou

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  24. Well Well April 28, 2013 at 9:30 PM #

    Lawson………………..you need to see the thread about where the Remy hair really comes from, that should give you a cute angina.

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  25. lawson April 28, 2013 at 9:40 PM #

    after my twelve vodka sodas I am usually ornery and looking for a battle, but tonight I am more mellow. I love barbados I have many friends there, my dream was to retire there,so please , please please dont phuck it up for me get your act together.

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  26. Piece Uh De Rock, Yeah Right!! April 28, 2013 at 10:29 PM #

    “Niqab ban in sexual assault trial causes controversy.”

    @ David[BU]

    In writing a view on these blogs under a pseudonym you run the risk that you give so much of your lifestory/experiences that you end up exposing who you are and incurring the wrath of the church folk and Apostle ***

    When i worked for *** some years ago one of the issues of the “NIQAB” was that it hid too much of the face for you to see whether the person was a woman or a man.

    *** in 19** airport at *** where a scam by the government of ** sought to bring xx women who were being trafficked from *** to ** as the wives of **

    The only thing that went wrong was that among the women was a very hirstute (hairy) man who neglected to keep his hands under the hijab.

    The man turned out to be a person of interest to **

    The ** swooped down on the airport and all of the parties in their NIQABS were apprehended and driven away and we never heard of them again.

    We can object all you like to Niqab bans but in countries which understand trafficking, smuggling and terrorism, taping drugs to one’s body under a voluminous hijab, you HAVE TO let your face be seen and subject yourself to ** patdowns or stan home in your Sharia loving countries.

    When in Rome you do as the Romans do

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  27. Alvin Cummins April 28, 2013 at 10:50 PM #

    @BU contributors using a nom de plume,
    The former General Manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs has just launched a lawsuit aginst 17 people who wrote uncomplementary blogs on the inter net, directed at him, claiming he had an affair with a female news reporter. He is suing them for defamation etc. There is no hiding even though they used noms de plume. so contributors to BU who say defamatory things about people, be warned, you can (and may) find yourself facing a lawsuit, even though you may use a ficticious name. so watch what you say about people.

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  28. Piece Uh De Rock, Yeah Right!! April 28, 2013 at 11:53 PM #

    @ Alvin Cummins

    You are a person to be feared for several reasons.

    From time to time you come here and espouse various high road and morals befitting of the Pope of Rome.

    You use the blog to disseminate your ideas on any topic under the sun and comment copiously on whatever you please.

    Suddenly today you now utter this (veiled threat) which would require a series of actions to accomplish (1) the owner of the Blog would have to be ascertained (2) some court would have to rule on obtaining this blog data (3) such would have to be effected so rapidly that the owner of the blog could not flick the self destruct button and (4) all of these ensuing hypothetical defamation lawsuits would be done in the darkness of night and we “non de plumers” would be unaware of it all until a summons reached our door.

    So in penning your article about this obscure Canadian Manager (and you always are quick to give us your opinion about what is going on in Canada, aren’t you?) what you are saying Mr. Cummins is that all you bloggers must do like you and tone down our comments, do not speak any words on what you and others of your ilk consider defamation because there is a lawsuit awaiting you, (as soon as we find out who David [BU] is)

    Payne writes 13 statements about Eddie Hinkson during the recent internal BLP elections for a candidate in that constituency, Eddie says that he is a f’ing tief and immediately there is a defamation charge. I wonder if there is a counter defamation action.

    In customary fashion, I await the ire for my being so impudent to accost the Ambassador Plenipotentiary of Canada.

    I have realised something about you people you only invoke defamation depending upon whom the remarks are laid, if it is your enemy, one has sanction, if it is against “the enemy of mine enemy, or my friend” behold a miracle “hell and brimstone upon thee”

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  29. Bush Tea April 29, 2013 at 7:21 AM #

    @ Piece ah de rock
    Alvin Cummings is just another ac,
    ….It takes all kinds to make the world as stupid as it is …and it follows that we must entail the likes of Alvin..
    BU is a forum which is built on the foundation of open discussion, free flowing ideas, brainstorming, transparency, and frankness.

    In such circumstances, it is only natural that we will upset those who have stuff to hide and who continually talk about libel and suing. Such are often the closet crooks who seek to present a nice face to the public ‘vi et legern’. (Bushie just mek up dat – sue muh)
    …those days are done.

    There are multiple blogs that continually defame everyone from the pope to Obama, and from the queen to the cat. Such blogs are largely ignored and unknown outside of their closed circle of loyal followers.

    Blogs like BU will occasionally err in tossing an accusation…despite David’s excellent handling, but BU has been happy to correct any misinformation based on new facts, new Inputs, clarifications etc. this is why BU’s popularity is international and growing…

    Alvin, like ‘Dictionary’ and ‘Living in Barbados’ before him, will gradually buzz off to dodo-land- from whence he recently arrived.

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  30. Well Well April 29, 2013 at 7:53 AM #

    Alvin honey……………….you cannot seek to hide everything, if Bajans are as educated as they appear the hiding of the CUL part ownership by politicians will see them punished by the supermarket having to close their doors sooner rather than later…………………..that is what you get for trying to hide lies and secrets at the cost of the taxpayer………….and i believe it will be a fit and just punishment for lying ministers who like to hide secrets from the taxpayers who pay their salaries……………hiding, no so bueno.

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  31. bahamared April 29, 2013 at 4:39 PM #

    I really do not see how you Bajans can complain about being swamped by undesirables from Jamaica and elsewhere. You did, after all, sign that idiotic revised treaty of chaguaramas, whose only objective is to create a pressure valve for places like Jamaica to spew their itinerant hordes. When we in the Bahamas sensibly refused to sign on to the CSME, I seem to remember your then PM, Arthur, coming to Nassau to try to sell the treaty to a deeply sceptical public. Thankfully the response of both our population and leaders was “thanks but NO thanks”

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  32. Boy Blue. April 29, 2013 at 5:07 PM #

    @bahamared . And what do you expect when half of the Bajan political leaders , and other technocrats at that time , were influenced by their JA wives.

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  33. Well Well April 29, 2013 at 5:26 PM #

    I remember the years when it was thought that no PM or politician in Barbados would ever take a Bajan wife…………..caused a lot of hostility back then.

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  34. Alvin Cummins May 1, 2013 at 4:45 PM #

    As the old people oin the village used to say:”But looka muh crossed doh.!!!”
    First of all @Bushie. I am NOT UPSET, and will NENER be upset at any bloggers that comment on this forum. Some weeks ago I hinted that people have to be careful of their accusations etc and their epithets. This was weeks before the case about the lawsuits came up. Some people seemed to think that I was talking foolishness, as usual. I happen to be aware of what is possible in the world of the internet. Obviously commentators like you do not.My comments had nothing to do with me or my opinions. As usual I sought to give people the benefit of what I know or find out. so here is an excerpt from the Sunday Sun of April 28th 2013. Ig is not the original article (Headlined) but is a follow up story. The headline of the article says”Mae backs Burke ofer online “lies’. “Sportscaster in sync with ex-GM’s defamation lawsuit against Internet rumour mongers.”
    Hazel Mae is on board with former Maple Leafs general manager Brian Burke’s defamation suit against online rumour mongers.
    “Hazel Mae fully supports the law suit brought forth by Mr. Burke and feels strongly that people should be held accountable for wititin and spreading malisious lies over the internet” reads a statement from Mae’s legal counselIain MacKinnon, on saturday. …Burke, suprisingly let go by the Leafs just prior to the start of this season in January, filed a lawsuit in the British Columbia Supreme CourtFriday, claiming he wqas defamed on line by annonymous people spreading a tale that he had an extra-marital affair with Mae, a Rogers Sportsnet sportcaster.
    The story alleged the affair was a contributing factor behind Burke’s dismissal. The 18 defendants were identified only by their often bizarre social media names, including Poonerman, Slobberface, and Sir Psycho-Sexy.Burke is suing for damages to his reputation and he is also seeking to have each of the 18 defendants restrained from publishing the statements on the Internet.
    …”Brian has decided that it is time to stop who post comments on the Internet thinking they can fabricate wild stories with impunity” Gall said”.
    @Pieceuhderock.
    Why do you make a statement that “You are a person to be feared”? Is it because I am fearless, and I speak what I consider is the truth? You say that I “…utter veiled threats…”I cannot threaten anyone. As far as I am aware there is no “self destruct” button on the computer. There is a delete button that removes what ever the person does not want, but that does not mean that it goes away. The “self destruct” only appears in “Mission Impossible” which is fantasy. When you “delete” something it might diappear from the screen, but it is still on the hard drive, and it can be easily retrieved by computer experts. If you doubt me go into (a) your Trash bin on your computer (desk top icon) and see if you don’t bring up things you “deleted” or (b) go into the Tools menue, go into options, enter “History,” and retrieve all the sites you visited within the last two or three weeks. The former General Manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs Hockey Team is not an “obscure Canadian manager” as you have referred to him as he is very well known, and popular person.
    Finally, I am not threatening anyone. I am pointing out the possibilities. It is up to the “adult, and educated” bloggers to do whatever they want. If they feel they can act with impunity it up to them. No one has to listen to “foolish” Alvin. It is no skin off my back. As I have said before “I don’t rice at anybody., and I fear nobody. Right now I am in the ZR, Minibus, or even Taxi heading to the airport-might even pass by Coral Ridge, on my way to the airport-, maybe driving slowly, or maybe the pace is quickening (i don’t know) just waiting for my flight number to be called and then as Bushie says, I will buzz off to “Dodoland” where I am sure we will meet sometime. I do not find this “buzzing off” something to be feared because ALL of us will do it at some time. No big thing.
    As my dear mum (god rest her soul) used to say “A word to the wise is sufficient”. People are free to do what they want.

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  35. Alvin Cummins May 1, 2013 at 4:54 PM #

    By the way, Bushie and Piece…, there is no “ire”, and I don’t hide behind a nom-de-plume. I always use my full name, and I can “espouse ” on whatever topic I think is of interest to me.I have no “right”, desire, or ability, to determine what people should write in their contributions. I have to assume they are all adult.
    I therefore can have no influence on their actions.NO ONE has to do like me and NO ONE has to tone down anything.

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  36. Michael WIlliams May 1, 2013 at 5:18 PM #

    The upright and self righteous Barbadians do not consort with whores, all whores are foreign no Barbadians are prostitutes drug users drug smugglers thieves or murderers. The world is waiting to enter your shores get your heads out of your a$$.

    As a Jamaican I have noted with interest a large Barbadian ex patriate community living in relative peace in my country. I am a prime advocate for uprooting and shipping the lot back to your island paradise. If BUM is such a paradise then get the hell out of Jamaica.

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  37. Moneybrain May 1, 2013 at 5:37 PM #

    @Mikey W
    Barbados is a RELATIVE PARADISE to JA.
    The fact that some Bajans live in JA for whatever reasons is quite irrelevant.
    We want Investors NOT INFESTORS!
    I live in Toronto but still view Bdos as PARADISE! SOOOO….

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  38. Michael WIlliams May 1, 2013 at 5:42 PM #

    We are all entitled to our opinions having seen both and been given the opportunity to live in bum I chose to remain in my country and not to migrate to yours. I found the native infestation not to be to my liking.

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  39. bahamared May 1, 2013 at 5:54 PM #

    I have been to both Jamaica and Barbados and both are fine countries. However, Mike W., the article is about immigration into Barbados by, among others, Jamaicans. There is no need to put down Barbados if they object to some of the elements going there from Jamaica. To be fair, the many decent Jamaicans should spare their anger for those countrymen of theirs that go to other countries and destroy the reputation of Jamaica by their behaviour. There is much of it here in the Bahamas too – trust me.

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  40. Moneybrain May 1, 2013 at 6:19 PM #

    @Mikey W
    It is entirely possible that U are a Jammie we would except BUT if there are disproportionate number of the criminal Jammies coming to Bdos we will NOT accept that. There are far too many criminal Jammies ruining the lives of their own peeps and others in Toronto, London, NY and many other places.

    Many Jammies I have met are very good citizens, I recently met such a gent in the Royal Bank in Toronto. He handled my business requests very efficiently.

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  41. bahamared May 1, 2013 at 6:45 PM #

    By the way, I am curious why so many ppl from the Caribbean would choose to live in Canada. In my recollection of my visits there, the place is FREEZING. Is it massachism or just a case of opposites attracting?

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  42. ac May 1, 2013 at 6:50 PM #

    Alvin don’t let them upset you.All bajans think alike. i.e They always right and they know everything about anything. It is obvious from your comment about lawsuits that you were giving information on a story u read. However in full military stlye the Bajan brigade of BUSH TEA a man know to weild a deadly2x4 against woman and theother gansta PODR couldn’t help but ignore theinformation given but instead proceed to bushwacked you.

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  43. David May 1, 2013 at 6:54 PM #

    There is no argument about allowing immigration. Michael Williams you are obviously being provocative or your ignorance knows no bounds. The discussion is bout unskilled people who add no value to a country being allowed unrestricted access to a country which has enjoyed a stable environment up to now.

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  44. ac May 1, 2013 at 7:02 PM #

    bahamared | April 29, 2013 at 4:39 PM |

    I really do not see how you Bajans can complain about being swamped by undesirables from Jamaica and elsewhere. You did, after all, sign that idiotic revised treaty of chaguaramas, whose only objective is to create a pressure valve for places like Jamaica to spew their itinerant hordes. When we in the Bahamas sensibly refused to sign on to the CSME, I seem to remember your then PM, Arthur, coming to Nassau to try to sell the treaty to a deeply sceptical public. Thankfully the response of both our population and leaders was “thanks but NO thanks”

    ac
    that comment should be place in the in the National archives or posted on the walls of parliament . so true, How the hell could a Dumb ass jamaican girl. use the treaty to carry Barbados to Court if such treaty was to serve and protect the national interset of a country and people . i am dumfounded .

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  45. Alvin Cummins May 1, 2013 at 9:59 PM #

    @ac.
    Thanks for your kind words and obvious understanding of what I was (and will always keep trying to do) give out what I think is timely and relevant information. And I do not get upset easily. I understand people. It’s not my fault that I remember and keep not of what I have experienced in my long life. I have no idea who the two bloggers BT and PODR, are so I can’t comment on their personalities. Actually I have no idea who any of the bloggers are, not even David.
    And Well Well, I hope you are female…I don’t understand males calling me “honey”. Of course if you are female, keep it up.

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  46. Piece Uh De Rock, Yeah Right!! May 1, 2013 at 10:12 PM #

    @ Alvin and AC

    Me grandson to the rescue.

    Gramps asked me to comment on how IT Managers who donate old computers with sensitive information do this and ensure that the banks’ data is not going to be recovered by some Utility or simple OS Undelete command.

    Every year we have to do this, permanently delete a drive’s contents using a special utility and then we donate the computers absolutely sure that the computer’s contents cant be reconstituted.

    Thank you son, there is brains in the family line yet.

    What i meant to say and what you and your sidekick AC so facilely sought to assign to the Mission Impossible genre is that David must be a man of some skills to have avoided the IP backtracking that this and the previous administration has been using for years to find out who and where he is.

    Sometimes we do push the envelope with some serious remarks and phrases which admittedly defame but there is a place for dissent, albeit that which borders on insurrection.

    If and when a days comes where Batman’s secret identity is known it is our hope that he does have some Zilla Data Nuker to engage before the Big Boot Men kick in his door.

    Canada and Amurica have there Freedom of Speech enshrined into the constitution, our Westminster model has no such freedom recital and short men like Seethru and Fumble will make your life a living hell on earth. Megalomania embodied.

    In one breath the two of you chant how ultra advanced your countries of birth or long time domicile so much more civilized that here with the ingrunt natives yet, almost like if the Thorazine and Haldol anti-psychotics wore off halfway in your decrying Barbados, you turn full face and tell us that our use of nom-de-plumes is a lack of manhood and you are therefore men with bigger balls.

    At a given moment some of us could give the names and addresses of the 26 drug lords in Barbados, who the law turns a blind eye to, on the fly.

    The reason that we use these names is not because we are not Canadians or Amuricans with rights, (like the right to kill students at Columbine in the USA or the Ecole and Concordia mass killings in Canada), but because we know that, unlike Amurica where you have functioning witness protection programs and policemen that can, and will, protect and serve, here in BUM? I like that AC, the very boys in blue will leave their protection duty shift in a heartbeat if the price is right and let the enforcers come and kill us in our homes.

    I ent get to be 81 by chance Cummins! The problem wid unna is dat when wunna encounter “niggers” who does put wunna in wunna place dat does get wunna very frighten. You tolerate us when we rich and pun drugs like Michael Jackson or OJ Simpson (he ent rich no mo) but when we like Michael Jordan Spike Lee, Bill Cosby and Oprah wunna hates our guts and at the local Klu Klux Klan meting does conspire to PHUCK us up.

    Doan worry fellows like me ent gine be heah too long to talk uppity to you massah, causing Uncle Toms like AC and CICC (Coitus Interruptus Carson Cadogan gine pass a law to extinguish us at 70.

    By de way AC not Alvin Cummins how comes dat you goading on your unmasked leader cummins wid your nom-de-plume?? I guess you were accorded honorary white status like dem cricketers in Souf Africa right??

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  47. Piece Uh De Rock, Yeah Right!! May 1, 2013 at 10:18 PM #

    Sorry “BUM” is from Michael Williams and his authorship of the pun is acknowledged by dis ole man

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  48. Well Well May 2, 2013 at 9:44 AM #

    Bahamared……………..As cold as Canada can be, there is a peacefulness in the country, maybe because of it’s vast size, that is unequaled anywhere else in the world, and i have done some traveling, you are also by law, not allowed to show aggression of any kind in public, unlike the other baccanalist countries world. So my time is divided equally between madness US and peace Canada, with a little diversion of pepper pot thrown in, Caribbean. Hope that gave you an incite on why Caribbean people love Canada.

    Alvin honey……………let not thy heart be troubled, i am 100% female of the exotic variety

    Piece……………..you are way too much

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  49. bahamared May 2, 2013 at 1:08 PM #

    @Well Well,

    Thanks for the explanation. I personally did find Canada a nice place. As for peacefulness, I would recommend Scandinavia or Chile/Argentina personally. While I would never live or work outside the Bahamas, I am myself a globetrotter and respect anyone who travels and keeps their mind open.

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  50. Whitehill May 2, 2013 at 2:40 PM #

    Well Well, Madness USA…lol. Here I’m believing that were it not for my departure in the 70’s I would be as mad as those who allowed their politicians to jerk them around. Even a visit to the hospital one sees the madness that ”educated intelligent” people will accept.

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  51. Well Well May 2, 2013 at 3:08 PM #

    Bahamared………………..good thinking, i will keep those countries and my bucket list, different cultures are awe inspiring.

    Whitehill…………………..The best thing that happened to you in the 70s was your leaving the island, i you have seen since your return, you have a different perspective on life……………now you get to see the vast difference and what your mentality would be like if you had stayed and not ventured off the island……………i tried staying upon return, but people tend to try to make life unbearable of others even if there is no real need to, very shortly they will be getting a taste of what unbearable means and will come to understand that life is not about making each other miserable.

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  52. Well Well May 2, 2013 at 3:21 PM #

    Whitehill………….things will only change in places like QEH, if the people want to force change and stop accepting mediocrity………….i paid a visit to the hospital there when another relative of mine had an emergency, the doctor was very nice and ordered some tests done, next day we went back to the department to have the test done and the doctor had marked the request urgent, the clerk on duty allowed me to know that SHE did not think it was urgent……………….mind you i went in and so people sitting in chairs and could not believe they were all waiting for this clerk who was on the phone gossiping and was upset that i had disturbed her………….well i went all New York on her…………….only then did the other people start to complain that they were there first, so i went off on them too, cause it seemed none of them knew how to put the scallywag of a clerk in her place and demand service, i wanted to know if they were waiting for me to come to start complaining………..anyway, suffice it to say when i was through, the clerk did her job and did not think it was not an emergency anymore, i even asked her how she got the job, cause with them you never know……………..if you accept mediocrity, as is happening in Bim, you will get nothing but mediocrity. I try to keep out of there because having to pull up people and put them in their place everyday, tends to take a toll on you, hope you will know when to leave it all behind, not worth your sanity.

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  53. bahamared May 2, 2013 at 4:33 PM #

    I have been to Bim several times and would WAY prefer live there than the USA, personally. I was born in USA (New York) and use my passport only as a transit document, when I have the misfortune of not having a direct link to a third country and having to travel through that horrible wasteland called South Florida. The country really is rubbish, from top to bottom.

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  54. Well Well May 2, 2013 at 4:47 PM #

    Bahamared……………certain parts of the US i would never even entertain the thought of visiting, particularly the Southern States, still rubbish dumps living in the past, they younger people are trying to break away from the damage the older mentalities inflicted, but it is still a work in progress.

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  55. Alvin Cummins May 2, 2013 at 7:07 PM #

    @Well Well.
    My mind is at peace now. I am very partial to females, except that you will have to let me know what you mean by “exotic”; IS that exotic in terms of corpulence, exotic in terms of eye shape (sort of “sloe eye”), exotic as in from a South Sea island? As you might have gathered from my blogs I like clarity. No jumping to conclusions.By the way, do you live in toronto? Did you really go in the QEH and get on like a “virago”?Tch,Tch!!!
    @Piece of the rock, I am glad your grandson clarified the point I was making, and note he said that to do this (clear the hard drive) a “special utility” was needed. I am not going to comment on your slur with regard to age. And for your information I am leader of nothing or nobody. I am an independent thinker, and not beholden to anybody, party, or congregation. If I have to say something I can say it to anybody without getting personal or defaming. Some people however have to use expletives, or defame, or cuss out. I have no quarrel with anyone using names other than their given names. I however am not afraid to put my name to anything I write.

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  56. Well Well May 2, 2013 at 8:33 PM #

    Alvin……………exotic in terms of all that beautiful African DNA we got, even if it’s 1/4 handed down by our ancestors.

    Over the years i have learned that what you say can resonate a lot louder than how you say it, so no Alvin, I acted like a lady at QEH, but the message was understood perfectly.

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  57. Well Well May 2, 2013 at 8:35 PM #

    Alvin………..i spend time in both North American cities, but i am in Canada right now.

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  58. Michael Williams May 2, 2013 at 9:53 PM #

    I used to have a kind of sentimental attachment to the Caribbean Islands and used to regret that I was more familiar with North America than other Caribbean islands. My children Black Jamaicans are also more familiar and connected to North America than the Caribbean Islands I used to think that it would be good to give them the opportunity to know the other islands at least as well.

    Then I started visiting the other islands mainly on business either representing my company or government and I experienced a level of rudeness, pettiness and hostility that made me rethink my position.
    There seems to be a sentiment among some islands that Jamaica is in total chaos and we are all just looking for an opportunity to escape to some other island.

    Worse still it is expected that having just emerged from a cave when we come to the other island’s we “frighten”. Well having seen a number of other islands and they still lag behind Jamaica in development DESPITE THE MANY PROBLEMS WHICH ARE ADMITTED.

    The experience of many law abiding Jamaicans who travel to the other islands makes the Myrie and the many other incidents reported in the media very credible. Despite the many criticisms of my country and country men (and i must admit many are true) one thing i can say is that we are not petty and parochial.

    Jamaicans for the most part are not hostile or rude to visitors from other islands (for the most part we have very little interest in petty rivalries and after waves of migration we all have more ties in North America and the UK) and for the most part tend to regard such people as distant kin. In my view this is an extremely misguided view. We need to wake up and wise up

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  59. bahamared May 2, 2013 at 10:20 PM #

    @Michael Williams,

    It is unfortunate that rude, petty and ignorant people have blighted the travel experiences of yourself and other Jamaicans in the Caribbean region.

    But I would implore you to resist the temptation to generalise. Some of what may seem like hostility to Jamaicans (for instance, in comments on this blog) may be simply frustration with regional governments’ failure to protect their citizenry from uncontrolled and unfair competition and abuse by the worst elements from other places, not only Jamaica.

    Unfortunately, it is all too often the very worst people in Jamaica and elsewhere who take advantage of regional agreements and treaties to relocate to the more stable and successful countries in the region, like Barbados and the Bahamas.

    Until that unfortunate reality of human nature is confronted, it will continue to be the case in our region that high walls make good neighbours.

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  60. islandgal246 May 2, 2013 at 11:49 PM #

    Verbal diarrhoea is a very common complaint for Alvin Cummings and Well Well.

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  61. pieceuhderockyeahright!,, May 3, 2013 at 4:48 AM #

    Ole man weighing in

    I am not an economist nor statistician. I am not anything other that an ole retired man.

    I will put the following figures to you.

    In any Caribbean island less than 0.05% of the population are hardened criminals.

    These however are the reason that Jamaica, Bulbados, St Lucia and the rest of our beautiful islands have reputations as cutlass wielding, crime infested garrisons and ghettoes

    Concurrently 95% of the politicians are crooks and these few men and women rape the said countries for their respective terms in office as if on schedule year after year

    When these two percentages meet it is here that a truly miraculous thing happens where ” so few, give so little, to so many, for so long and so much is talked about the little done for so long”

    If our politicians had the balls to send the big boot men to tek out the 0.05% in their ill gotten mansions then we would not be living in prisons.

    And if the 99.5% of us had the balls to appoint a set of politicians who represented us in spirit an in truth the we would not be bemoaning the problems in our respective societies.

    Our countries are still beautiful places, we are not in battle zone like other places yet.

    Stop talking and do something.

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  62. pieceuhderockyeahright!,, May 3, 2013 at 7:19 AM #

    What is my “something???”

    Refuse the shite candidates they bring as potential candidates.

    Insist on the power of recall as a condition of their manifesto

    So, be they Minister of Sidewalks or Prime Minister, if they doing the bad word, call them home!!!

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  63. Sargeant May 3, 2013 at 7:58 AM #

    @A Cummins & Well Well

    With all the camaraderie between the two of you I expected someone to issue an invitation to Timmys for a Double Double and a Dutchie.

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  64. Moneybrain May 3, 2013 at 8:19 AM #

    @Sarge
    Dem at Timmy’s cross from Varsity stadium right now!

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  65. Well Well May 3, 2013 at 10:03 AM #

    Islandgal……………you don’t seem to think it’s verbal diarrhea when you spout poop……….just don’t read it, who is putting a gun to your head?, i were you i would take the focus off me and put it on the economy where is belongs, it might make a difference. Everyone is trying to make a valuable contribution in the wake of the meltdown, if you are attacking people unnecessarily means you are running out of ideas, take a break, don’t read contributions you don’t like, it’s not hard to do at all, i do it sometimes or just go read a book anything constructive…………that energy is better put to good use.

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  66. Well Well May 3, 2013 at 10:08 AM #

    Sargeant……………….don’t worry, Alvin and I will hook up next time i am in Bim, we have a common friend, so i will know how to find Alvin..

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  67. Well Well May 3, 2013 at 10:09 AM #

    Don’t let Bushie cause you to step in poop………………

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  68. Well Well May 3, 2013 at 10:10 AM #

    Island……….that last post was meant for you………….Bushie is not going to help you clean your shoes, he will run and hide.

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  69. Alvin Cummins May 3, 2013 at 10:41 PM #

    @Well Well, it is said that great minds think alike. After I read Island Gal’s contribution accusing me of “verbal diarrhoea” I was thinking “Well if you don’t want to read the whole thing, you can stop whenever you want” and then I read your contribution. to which I say “My sentiments exactly.” I suspect though that she finds them so interesting that she can’t stop, she has to read the whole thing.

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  70. Common sense is not common May 4, 2013 at 6:58 AM #

    Thanks AC for that posting that article.

    It seems we are about to be hit with another lawsuit to the CCJ this time the grouse is entertainers.

    What is this fixation with Barbados though?To my certain knowledge Grenada,Trinidad,Guyana,Antigua and other caricom countries have banned vibes cartel and other jamaican singers of filth from performing in their country with nary a word from Mr Hylton,so again I ask why Barbados?

    Wasn’t Mr Hylton connected in some way with the Shanique mayrie’s case when it first started?

    Seems as though some envious caricom countries and their nationals will not be satisfied until they grind Barbados into the ground.

    Bahamared seems as though you are right,and Bahamas did the right thing by staying out.

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  71. ac May 4, 2013 at 7:12 AM #

    Where there is no vision the people would perish! a govt For the PEOPLe by The People, But for some ungoldy reasons cannot decide what is the best interest of a people and a country. Caricom is indeed bearing fruits fruits that would destroy the rights of Barbados protecting its bounderies in favour to free movement.

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  72. Dr Love May 4, 2013 at 7:50 AM #

    @ac
    NO.
    The reason is not unGodly.
    The reason is simply greed
    On this Earth (And think carefully before you comment) there are TWO motivators.
    FEAR
    GREED

    CARICOM was actually a Spelling Mistake is should actually be spelled as CARICON.
    It was devised because of GREED.
    It was devised as a huge confidence trick on the Ihabitants of its member countries.
    It was devised to protect the power of the Goverments of those member countries and the Wealthy of those member countries.
    The populations of the member countries were simply to be used as the producers of Wealth for use by the two parties instigating the CARICON idea. The Politicians and the Wealthy.
    It shuts our competition ,removes your rights of choice as Free individuals.
    CARICON keeps its inhabitants,for use by the Politicians and the Wealthy as a Farmer would keep “Stocks”.
    To make a profit or be disposed of.

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  73. ac May 4, 2013 at 9:06 AM #

    The garcia case makesthe myries case look like child play in as much as the two cases convenes on the rights of a country to protect its borders the garcia case dissolves such rights in that it contradicts the laws upon which bds seeks to preserve in regard to convicted felons from other countries and give the benefit of the doubt to such persons on grounds of humanitarian laws which involves freedom of movement one can argue that myrie ot being a convicted criminal could have been allowed such movement.

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