Peter Wickham, Pollster, Columnist, Talk Show Host and Social Commentator

Peter Wickham, Head of CADRES

BU has hesitantly support the science of polling and by extension the work CADRES has done in this area over the years. In Barbados CADRES has developed an enviable track record. Peter Wickham, head of CADRES has always published the methodology used, a desirable approach. Wickham has been at pain to point out that his samples are random. Over the years he has been able to gather learnings with the result his poll predictions are always close to bull-eye when the real result is known.

However many – including BU – have become concerned at the unfettered access to media space where Wickham has been  peddling his views. BU has no problem with Wickham being a social commentator, it is a free country, however a problem emerges if he is able to propagate views formed out of his polling through his contributions  weekly newspaper columns and as a host of a popular talk show. Bear in mind his polls capture the views of the population at the time taken. BU suggests that the apparent success of CADRES polls fuels Wickham’s credibility as a social commentator. The result: his views have become influential on the very population he will have to poll in the future.

The Caribbean Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) political strategist Maureen Holder, who succeeded Peter Wickham, has been very scathing in her critique of the methodology of the recent CADRES poll. UWI lecturer Dr. Tennyson Joseph has also been searching in his feedback of the poll in his weekly column. Many have dismissed these concerns based on party stripes or ignorance about the science of polling.  We should all take a deep breath and dispassionately discuss if there is merit to the concerns raised by the Holders, Josephs and others.

On another blog BU posted the following comment:

On a related note BU has been doing some research to ascertain if there is any country in the world where a pollster, a shaper of opinions, is also the host of a popular talk show. So far we have come up short. BU believes with all respect to Wickham that we have created a ‘monster’.

So far BU’s research about polling has turned up some interesting information.  To be honest if Wickham continues on his current path some will begin to label him a push pollster. Here is what push polling  is all about  quoting from Wikipedia:

“A push poll is an interactive marketing technique, most commonly employed during political campaigning, in which an individual or organization attempts to influence or alter the view of respondents under the guise of conducting a poll. In a push poll, large numbers of respondents are contacted, and little or no effort is made to collect and analyze response data. Instead, the push poll is a form of telemarketing-based propaganda and rumor mongering, masquerading as a poll. Push polls may rely on innuendo or knowledge gleaned from opposition research on an opponent. They are generally viewed as a form of negative campaigning.[1] This tactic is commonly considered to undermine the democratic process as false or misleading information is provided about candidates.”

Peter you should think on these things!

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150 Comments on “Peter Wickham, Pollster, Columnist, Talk Show Host and Social Commentator”

  1. balance October 17, 2012 at 9:11 PM #

    “Now I windar weir the Gov’ment gun look to book travel arrangements if the administration get changed … HA HA HA.”
    do you expect that Simmons/Greaves owned Gems should be allowed to feast on the fatted calf for eternity?

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  2. BAFBFP October 18, 2012 at 2:37 AM #

    But Balance I assumed that people got involved in politics to serve the good people of Barbados selflessly … 什么他妈的

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  3. ac October 18, 2012 at 8:40 AM #

    Balance……….as an ardent supoporter…………………ac …..as ardent supporter i frown on those who would use malicious purposes or intent to reveal publicly mia,s alledege personnal life style and those who would expeditously use said information for political purpose to quench their burning desire for leadership and power. i find it replusive

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  4. Prodigal Son October 18, 2012 at 3:56 PM #

    @ millertheanunnaki | October 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM |
    Thanks very much miller for the compliment you paid to me in your post! I value your contributions as well!

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  5. Negroman October 18, 2012 at 5:32 PM #

    Peter Wickham is a very strange individual in so many ways.His bias opinions on some issues are so apparent that it nauseating hearing pontificate on issues affecting Barbados.
    I must admit that Peter Wickham opinions polls are usually accurate..I have come to respect his opinions polls.However,on this occasions,I have great reservations on the credibility of his recent opinion poll.
    It is well known fact that Peter Wickham has a passionate dislike for Freundel Stuart our beloved Prime Minister. As a result, the credibility of his opinions on Freundel Stuart leadership quality is compromised.
    On his recent opinion poll,the analysis of Kaymar Jordan,Harold Hoyte and to lesser extent Peter Wickham himself was rather simplistic.The analysis given suggested that because there is a perceived 6 % swing against the government all those seats held by the government are in danger of falling to the opposition. Simplicity at its best.
    The dynamics of some of those constituencies were not taken into consideration when those individuals gave their analysis.
    For example,St Michael North west Chris Sinckler constituency. Chris beat Clyde Mascoll a former minister of finance and a former opposition leader.Clyde Mascoll is a former resident of that constituency as well as Chris Sinckler.Two residents from that constituency contested that seat and Chris Sinckler came out victorious.
    Chris in this upcoming election is running against a new comer in Gregory Nicholls,a middle class,obnoxious individual.I believe that Gregory Nicholls will not be able to connect with the grass roots,working class people of Black Rock. His personality will not resonate with the people of St Michael North West.
    I do not think because Chris Sinckler won that seat by a small margin that is with in the swing that automatically he will lose it in the swing against an opponent like obnoxious Gregory Nicholls.
    Similarly,Richard Sealy a high profile minister who acted as Prime Minister on many occasions is consider a casualty in the swing. Richard Sealy was victorious against David Gill on two previous occasions.One victory occurred when his party was even in opposition. David Gill does not have it in him to defeat a high profile candidate like Richard Sealy
    Ian Godding -Edghill one of the biggest clown in local politics will find difficulty in defeating James Paul
    Ian Godding-Edghill is a man who said that he happy for slavery because if not for slavery he will not be in Barbados driving a BMW.Tell Ian Godding Edghill to dispute that.That twerp is also an obnoxious,cocky individual who will find difficulty in connecting with the Black working class people of Fairfield and Black Rock.He cannot beat James Paul
    The Democratic Labour Party Will win the upcoming elections easily even with an increase majority
    Long live the Democratic Labour Party
    Down with the political pimps,parasites and nuisances in the Barbados Labour Party.

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  6. David (not BU) October 18, 2012 at 6:45 PM #

    “The Democratic Labour Party Will win the upcoming elections easily even with an increase majority
    Long live the Democratic Labour Party
    Down with the political pimps,parasites and nuisances in the Barbados Labour Party.”

    in the words of Chris Browne… “don’t wake me up, up, up. don’t wake me…”

    you people are a bunch of jokers.

    keep up the good work DLP.

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  7. Zack October 18, 2012 at 8:06 PM #

    Do you know what I enjoy about political meetings at election time? The comedy and the music…it does be a real “party” at atmosphere…regardless of which “party” is the having the meeting. Only problem is I have to buy muh own drinks and snacks.

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  8. Enuff October 18, 2012 at 8:28 PM #

    WICKHAM: BALL IN DEMS’ COURT
    Date March 05, 2007
    Brief
    THE DEMOCRATIC LABOUR PARTY (DLP) has an election to win, and the ball is in its court. That’s the opinion of noted political scientist Peter Wickham, who also felt that many Barbadians might want to change the current Barbados Labour Party (BLP) Government, but may be for the sake of change alone, since the BLP was seeking an unprecedented fourth consecutive term in office. Wickham made the comments yesterday on Voice Of Barbados’ (VOB) radio talk-show Brass Tacks Sunday, the same day a NATION newspaper-initiated public opinion poll he conducted showed a number of trends leading up to a general election, constitutionally due next year. “The DLP is being waited upon to demonstrate that it can make a difference to the way in which Barbados is being governed,” he told moderator David Ellis. He was part of a studio group which included acting Minister of Labour, Senator Tyrone Barker, and DLP candidate for St Michael North-West, Chris Sinckler. According to Wickham, results of the poll also indicated that Barbados wanted to know if the DLP had the capacity to run the country’s affairs. “If they [the DLP] can do that successfully, then they will be successful,” he added. He added that according to the poll, the issues Barbadians were most interested in had not changed much since a similar poll was conducted last year. “The real question is: Can the Democratic Labour Party better react to them?” he asked. “Barbadians continue to be concerned about the cost of living, about the state of the economy, to the extent that we are borrowing too much. These are the things Barbadians were concerned about in the past, and continue to be. “The fact that people are not willing to turn to the Dems with great force, suggests to me that these are the areas in which the DLP may be coming up short. Can the DLP roll out an economic plan that can address these issues, and do they have the necessary personnel to make these changes?” He noted marginal decreases in support for the DLP and its leader David Thompson told an interesting story. Agreeing with Wickham’s analysis, Sinckler noted the DLP had succeeded increasing the number of people who were desirous of change, based on the population’s consistent critique of Government’s policies during the last 12 months. “This is particularly ominous for the Barbados Labour Party Government,” Sinckler said. “People have extensively made up their minds that they want to change the Government. The public is now waiting in anticipation of the Democratic Labour Party’s programme, and that will be unveiled in a couple of weeks,” he added. “We are now ready, and there is much for the DLP to be happy about.” Representing the BLP, Barker said it was important to look at the environment in which the poll was conducted. “The views of the DLP have been aired. They have had massive campaigns in open air, and their views have dominated the media,” he said. Barker went as far as to say that some media were partially responsible for a lack of good BLP news being disseminated to the public, citing that some media houses even refused to inform the public that Barbados now had record low levels of unemployment. “Any negative news about the economy is amplified,” said Barker. “We’ve had a situation in the last six months there was a concerted campaign by the DLP, where everything negative about the Barbados economy was highlighted, and yet, their numbers have not moved.” Barker said the BLP should take heart that the people of Barbados still did not believe the DLP had any plans for the country. “The important numbers are that more people now, than six months ago, are saying the DLP still isn’t ready to lead Barbados.”

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  9. millertheanunnaki October 18, 2012 at 9:17 PM #

    @ Enuff | October 18, 2012 at 8:28 PM |

    Good piece of research there, Enuff!
    The more things change the more they remain the same. Same script just a reversal of roles for the actors.
    Wonder what ac, CCC and that cohort of DLP deniers and critics of the Cadres poll have to say after reading that piece of history.

    Those with convenient memories or organized Alzheimer’s would deny such analysis ever took place or that things are different now because Wickham had like Thompson but doesn’t like Stuart and as a result of this dislike he Wickham “doctored’ the polls to make Stuart look bad.
    Let’s hear you, ac, from the top!

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  10. DavidB October 18, 2012 at 9:59 PM #

    @ Negroman

    Polls are just a snap shot in time, so they can change in a flash. However, there is a trend toward the BLP at present, very similar to 2007/2008 in the reverse direction. So, unless the swing is reversed, the DEMS cannot win.

    Local factors and specific personalities do affect the outcome constituency by constituency, so some people might hold on whereas some unexpected persons might lose.Additionally, one cannot discount the coat tail affect and local factors that washed in some MPs last time that might not otherwise be in parliament today.

    St. George South is a case in point. Cupid Gill was a very weak candidate and there was the David Thompson high tide. Dwight Sutherland, on the other hand, has deep political roots in the constituency and it’s now a DLP low tide. Esther Byer-Sukoo might not survive. That’s not a prediction, just a logical inference.

    If Barbadians continue to be dissatisfied with the DLP’s performance and with the worsening economic outlook, it might be difficult for the trend to be reversed

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  11. David (not BU) October 18, 2012 at 10:03 PM #

    “Barbadians continue to be concerned about the cost of living, about the state of the economy, to the extent that we are borrowing too much. These are the things Barbadians were concerned about in the past, and continue to be.”

    if that was then, what is now?

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  12. DavidB October 18, 2012 at 10:18 PM #

    One of the reasons the CADRES polls are accurate is their sampling method. They choose respondents from the most competitive polling districts in each constituency on the basis that any shifts in opinion would be most readily detected in those areas.

    Compare this with the Boxhill poll in 2008, which used a much larger sample size, but polled across each constituency. On face value, one would think that was a better method, but it ended up diluting the extent of the trend against the government of the day because the method was less focused that CADRES.

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  13. Clone October 18, 2012 at 10:47 PM #

    Enuff,Miller and DavidB
    You had the same thoughts then as the DLP supporters have now but maybe you were writing under different names.
    You cuss Peter then the same way he complains today on Brass tacks that he is being cursed on the blogs now.

    Did you hear Portia Simpson Miller Portia Jamaica Prime Minister today on VOB news. She won the Government with a landslide and now Jamaicans are saying they cannot hear her. She said she would speak when she has something to say.

    She and her party knew that they could not make a difference because of the world economic situation but she wanted power and now even her supporters complaining.

    This will be same thing if the BLP wins. The same script. Some of you will get school canteens to run, contracts to fix schools and build houses but the economy will still be dependent on tourism and foreign direct investment and the pressure continues.

    It is therefore wise at this time to live within your means and whichever party wins the government you are independent enough to just go on living until the lord calls you home.

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  14. DavidB October 19, 2012 at 1:16 AM #

    @ Clone

    I have never written on a political blog in my life until about two weeks ago on BU. You really should not make assumptions about people you don’t know. It is unfortunate that we cannot have a discourse without it having to degenerate into personal attacks; which characterises many of the posts on this blog.

    Last time around, two competing polls came out towards the end of the campaign. I was not sure which was correct, but I thought the larger sample size of the Boxhill poll made it more likely to be reliable. In hindsight, however, I can see that CADRES had/has a superior sampling methodology. Why would that be a partisan political point?

    At the end of it all, we are all Barbadians and will have to live with whichever party is given the reigns of government. We should not have this “blood in our eyes” approach to politics where one party is seen as evil incarnate, and the other as the Redeemer. Both sides have their strengths and their shortcomings.

    I happen to prefer the BLP at the moment, but I have voted for both parties in the past. My judgement is that the DEMS had their chance and blew it.

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  15. Prodigal Son October 19, 2012 at 9:23 AM #

    @DavidB “Last time around, two competing polls came out towards the end of the campaign. I was not sure which was correct, but I thought the larger sample size of the Boxhill poll made it more likely to be reliable. In hindsight, however, I can see that CADRES had/has a superior sampling methodology. Why would that be a partisan political point?”……………………………..

    I think that the Boxhill people were ill served by the UWI students whom they contracted to conduct the research. The ones who came to my home which was the first time I was ever canvassed, filled out forms in my clear sight for my neighbours who were not at home. They asked me if I knew their political leanings, I said no, so I do not know what they put on the forms but I knew they filled out forms for my neighbours.

    So if this was the trend across the board when people were not at home, you have to sympathise with the Boxhill people, they were dooped by so called intelligent UWI students!

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  16. Prodigal Son October 19, 2012 at 9:54 AM #

    So Clone, this is the reason that Sinckliar has been putting a case before the IMF that they are trying!

    What expenditure has this government cut?
    >The dead king’s football tournament?
    >Crony constituency councils?
    >PM, his ministers and their cronies first class travel to the farthest parts of the globe eg Australia,China, Bahrain, Brazil, Utah? One minister’s wife told someone, “I may as well enjoy it while it lasts”!
    >Investiture for new immigrants?
    >Gol airlines?
    >Untendered road works going on for years?
    >Sandi in China? Where are the results for this unnecessary expence at this time?
    >Unnecessary parties at Illaro Court? Have some but cut back.
    >Unnecessary COI on Alexandra School. Wait what phase are we in?
    And the list goes on and on.

    I cannot understand how Sinckliar can tell the IMF that they will depend on tourism and the off shore sectors when we have ministers like Sealy and Hutson who are the laziest ministers to date.

    Good luck to our fair land! The money from the football tournament could have covered many tax refunds, I sure would like mine.

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  17. ac October 19, 2012 at 9:55 AM #

    My judgemet is that some people would be swayed by “the power of persusaion” and not realistically looking at global world eventsand its impact on world economies in their haste to have a quick fix what recent change of govts have proven in the carribbean that their are no quick fix ST. lucia ony a few days had to implement the VAT nobody is immune barbados is stable and on the right path in restructing its economy phasing in renewable energy and green technology

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  18. ac October 19, 2012 at 10:09 AM #

    The BLP has no SOLUTIONS OSA knows it that why he tight lipped and so far the only solution he suggested was SALE , CUT short term solution with long term ramifications. Until OSA can pull a viable solution out of his “bag of tricks” he has offered NOTHING .The DLP is on the right path and sooner rather than laer OSA would be forced to use the same methodology of of renewable energy and green technology a way forward to strengthen the economy a similiar method that Obama has talked about his debate

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  19. millertheanunnaki October 19, 2012 at 11:48 AM #

    @ ac | October 19, 2012 at 10:09 AM |
    “…….OSA would be forced to use the same methodology of renewable energy and green technology a way forward to strengthen the economy ………”

    Look who is talking about “green technology”.

    The same idiot who supports burning garbage as a way of generating energy.
    Stop making yourself the laughing stock of this blog.

    Ac the spinning weathercock with an OSA spur as the wind direction pointer. When your DLP party is forced to announce a whole list of entities to be put up for privatization we can expect a similar switch to that direction as well

    If you are so concerned about “green technology” you should be inquiring if Farm Armtag is employing green technology in its growing and processing of the Bajan Sweet Potato chips and other products.
    If this technology is in place then you should be congratulating them. If not let the Ministry explain why this has not been promoted or even insisted upon before granting support. But then again you are not that inclined to be critical of anything done during your party’s turn at the wheel.

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  20. ac October 19, 2012 at 12:50 PM #

    Miller you are such a pathetic and a patheological liar is that your only way to beat an argument is to call some one a liar. now OSA has no solutuions and that is the truth you can called me as many liars as you wish “been there done that” not going to deter me i am as tough as they get .All you here to do is spread the outdated message of fear in the hearts of the public the DLP has met many challenges and is doing more than the best it can what has the RT HON said that is going to be different telL me

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  21. millertheanunnaki October 19, 2012 at 1:07 PM #

    @ ac | October 19, 2012 at 12:50 PM |

    Am I a liar to say that you support the burning of garbage to convert waste to energy?

    Your OSA bugbear is fully worn. You keep recycling it. Time to dump it in the garbage and burn it.
    Maybe it can be converted to energy to fuel your propaganda machinery.

    Mia is the future of the BLP and the policies promoted by her will be the ones to attack.
    Try attacking her. OSA is just holding the fort until the heavy artillery arrives.
    Would you say that Mia has no alternative policies and solutions?

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  22. Hants October 19, 2012 at 1:19 PM #

    @ millertheanunnaki and ac,

    renewable energy for electrical power is going to be forced on Barbados regardless of who is in power.

    There will be no economic boom/recovery and fossil fuel is going to be too expensive for a back to the third world economy like Barbados.

    Renewable energy and food security can still save wunna. Ask Bushie effin wunna doan believe me.

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  23. millertheanunnaki October 19, 2012 at 1:39 PM #

    @ Hants | October 19, 2012 at 1:19 PM |
    “renewable energy for electrical power is going to be forced on Barbados regardless of who is in power.’

    You are preaching to the converted.
    The miller is one of the strongest proponents of solar energy on this blog and elsewhere going way back.
    What should be of concern to you is how would the government deal with the strong lobby against renewable energy in the form of Emera who just invested nearly $400 million in an electricity generation plant based on fossil fuels.
    That is the nature of the beast, Hants.

    Don’t worry about ac. She is easily converted or convertible like electricity supply from ac to dc just with the flick of a switch called DLP.

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  24. Bush Tea October 19, 2012 at 2:40 PM #

    @ Miller
    “The same idiot who supports burning garbage as a way of generating energy”
    *****************
    Do you mean like the idiots in the Isle of Mann who have been doing so successfully now through their EfW (energy from waste) plant?

    Waste management, energy recovery, metal recycling and a highly improved environment.

    Why must you pick on the only sensible point that ac has ever made on BU?

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  25. Bush Tea October 19, 2012 at 2:49 PM #

    @ Hants
    “Renewable energy and food security can still save wunna. Ask Bushie effin wunna doan believe me.”
    ***************
    What ask what Bushie what!!?
    Renewable energy and food security can prevent us from starving to death so that we may live long enough to die from something else. ….but there is only one thing that can save us….and that is the lifeboat provided by BBE.

    ….Hants, d’ont you mind onions and Miller – worrying about nonsense – and miss that BBE boat…🙂

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  26. ac October 19, 2012 at 3:53 PM #

    Miller you don.t know sh..t aboutwht you talking renewable energy by way of waste is the fastest growing and is more sustainable than solar and cost lot less than the average houehold to have right now if you check the stocks on renewable energy and the the new companies that it has attracted you will find that the waste to energy companies are outperformaning solar

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  27. millertheanunnaki October 19, 2012 at 5:31 PM #

    @ Bush Tea | October 19, 2012 at 2:40 PM |
    “Why must you pick on the only sensible point that ac has ever made on BU?”

    I am in the same garbage lot as Dennis Lowe one of the brighter (???) sparks in your “blue-blooded and blue–eyed” (or should we say “yellow blooded and green-eyed”) party.
    He has totally rejected the option of burning garbage to generate energy.
    So whose side are you on Bushie? The idiot Minister with the stupid miller in tag or ac the visionary for renewable energy by burning toxins and carcinogens on a tropical island?

    BTW, Bushie, burning waste to generate energy cannot be classified as a renewable energy option. Barbados garbage stock depends on imported goods wrapped and boxed for shipping and storage convenience; in addition to the millions of plastic bags, wrapping and styrofoam containers generated by supermarket shopping and fast food outlets.
    What will we do for burning garbage when the foreign exchange runs out and we are forced to move to a ‘greener’ or more eco-friendly lifestyle? Burn dead human bodies and derelict vehicles to keep the furnace burning to pay back for the Est. $ 400 million loan plus interest to build a WTE furnace and plant?

    The Isle of Man is part of the British Isles with a temperate maritime climate and with little annual sunshine with much of the raw material for the furnace imported from “mainland” Britain and elsewhere. Why copy them when we have at the real God-given raw material with endless supply available all year round except for a few cloudy and rainy days to cool us down. As our God promised: “I will be with you always, even to the end of time”. What stronger covenant can there be between man and the source of everlasting renewable energy.

    Why not go for it before you miss the BBE renewable energy boat!

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  28. Enuff October 19, 2012 at 5:52 PM #

    @ Miller
    Why do you bother with these wikipedia politicians and their devout followers?

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  29. ac October 19, 2012 at 6:08 PM #

    all miller knows is “Fearmongering” that is his only option. tell that to the hundred of investors who buy these stocks on a daily basis and all the new upcoming companies barbados like always is always the last to play catch up at a heavy price one thing about bajan they always right making them always last .

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  30. millertheanunnaki October 19, 2012 at 6:19 PM #

    @Enuff | October 19, 2012 at 5:52 PM |
    “Why do you bother with these wikipedia politicians and their devout followers?”

    In the land of darkness the light of truth and knowledge must always be made shine.
    It just happens that the miller has been selected to carry such a lamp to his dying days.
    That is the price to be paid for the gift of intelligence but wrapped and delivered in a box of bright spiritual colours and moral firmness.

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  31. Enuff October 19, 2012 at 7:01 PM #

    @ ac
    “if you check the stocks on renewable energy and the the new companies that it has attracted you will find that the waste to energy companies are outperformaning solar”

    In what countries?

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  32. ac October 19, 2012 at 7:31 PM #

    From 2007 to 2011, solar industry revenues grew at a compound annual rate of 46% (from $20 Billion in 2007 to $92 Billion in 2011. Solar installations grew even faster, at a compound annual rate of 75% (from 2.8 GW to 26.4 GW.) Despite the more than nine-fold growth in volumes, and the nearly five-fold growth in revenues between 2007 and 2011, the solar stocks were pummeled.

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  33. DavidB October 19, 2012 at 8:12 PM #

    @ Prodigal

    I would not have expected that level of dishonesty from the UWI students. That is disturbing.It makes the point though that there could be a place for another polling organisation in Barbados.

    Things could get a lot more interesting If there were a credible competing poll.

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  34. Enuff October 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM #

    @ ac
    I asked in which countries?

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  35. Bush Tea October 19, 2012 at 8:55 PM #

    @ Miller
    Bushie will not argue with you on this topic for two reasons.
    1 – you obviously know only a little from what you glean from wiki and…
    2 – Bushie knows too much about it for this kind of discussion.

    For the benefit of the usual straw man that you default to when you find yourself lost in a topic, Bushie never referred EfW as “renewable”, YOU said Bushie did – so that you could argue that you won🙂

    On another minor point, even you should be able to figure out that such a plant could also use specially grown plant material as fuel in addition to regular waste.

    The objective of WfE is fossil fuel substitution as well as solid waste management. It is not just a simple comparison with solar/ wind.

    …..you and enuff can continue to beat up on ac if that is your wont, but you should check carefully before rushing the bushman. LoL

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  36. ac October 19, 2012 at 9:07 PM #

    @ enuf

    plants in USA germany Italy worldwide solar companies stock have meet a beating , look just listen to the pseudo intellecutal miller he knows it all. the truth is that not many people can afford solar which means the output does not meet the demand. because it is costly for the average homeowner meanwhile WTE plants are thriving and their stock keeps rising.

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  37. De Man Ring De Bell October 19, 2012 at 10:13 PM #

    @ David

    By all reports your prediction of 29th November 2012 was wrong by one week. The elections have been set for Thursday 6th December and Parliament will be prorogued on Tuesday.

    Six weeks of campaigning.

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  38. Hants October 19, 2012 at 10:18 PM #

    Interestingly, I just had a situation where I had to be given a 200 page manual for the operation of a solar installation on the roof of a factory.
    My interest was the shut down protocol in an emergency.

    This system has been in operation for 2 years now. It covers about 250,000 sq. ft. of the roof and produces power at considerable savings compared to direct power from Ontario Hydro.

    Like all emerging or new technologies Solar will become more reliable and efficient.

    We shouldn’t forget that in 80s Barbados had solar power at the MOA building in Graeme Hall but it apparently failed because of improper maintenance.

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  39. Checkit-Out October 19, 2012 at 11:28 PM #

    Hants; I understand that the Graeme Hall system failed because of poor design. It also was not a photovoltaic system. I don’t think it ever worked unlike the one at the Government Lab which worked quite well for several years running the air conditioning system. Perhaps that one might have had a maintenance problem.

    But I’m with AC on this one. I understand that the current Government is considering a really exciting waste to energy project that should be a winner using river tamarind as the prime fuel.

    But what restructuring the economy what? If they go ahead with the project it will be just continuing on a trajectory started by Tom Adams and continued by every Government since then.

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  40. Hants October 19, 2012 at 11:39 PM #

    Bottom line is that Bajans are going to wait until there is no choice but to use solar and wind energy.

    Gasoline and diesel will be too expensive but there are a lot of companies that will be installing Solar systems around the world financed through bolts.

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  41. balance October 20, 2012 at 6:09 AM #

    “At the end of it all, we are all Barbadians and will have to live with whichever party is given the reigns of government. We should not have this “blood in our eyes” approach to politics where one party is seen as evil incarnate, and the other as the Redeemer. Both sides have their strengths and their shortcomings.”
    Very well put, mr davib. i wish more of us would be so enlightened.

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  42. ac October 20, 2012 at 6:38 AM #

    tennyson beckles approach on how govts need to invest in their people is one that many share for too long govts belive that the fastest approach is for the outsider who is generally white is the one with knowledge and all the expertise only to find that the taxpayers end up fitting a bill of subsidies for time in memorial after all what is the purpose of educating the people if the knowledge gained is not going to be of service in building the economy.

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  43. Enuff October 20, 2012 at 7:57 AM #

    @ ac

    “USA germany Italy”. Have you noticed a trend there?

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  44. ac October 20, 2012 at 9:37 AM #

    look enuff you are going to see a push toward the smaller markets by the solar industry since the international markets who are the power players in all of this have lost money trying to subsidise the solar industry recently theUSA govt lost 535million dollars on company called solradyn which they had subsidize who filed bankruptcy before getting off the ground solar industry is good for rich people and large companies that can afford and maintain the product. solar industry has lostthe edge it once had.

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  45. ac October 20, 2012 at 9:58 AM #

    Another problem that have faced the solar industry is there poor marketing skills in convincing the average household of the potential savings since the average household cannot afford the Initial investment.however if these companies continue to show a decline in their profit margin and investors turn away then it might be of some help to the consumer purchasing power in being able to buy the product at a reasonable price

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  46. Bush Tea October 20, 2012 at 10:13 AM #

    @ ac
    You see you ac, you just don’t know when to declare victory and go home…..lol
    Bushie step into the fight and beg Miller and Enuff to stop beating up on you – and before you call it a win and go long back to supporting the DLP, you on and on about the decline of Solar industry….

    The falling stocks in the solar industry are directly related to the world price of oil, which is currently sluggish due to declining demands caused by the global recession. That is all.
    The moment that recovery takes off again, oil prices will skyrocket and so will solar stocks.

    So if there is no economic recovery we will suffer from loss of tourist, trade etc and suffer decline. However, if there is economic growth, oil prices and solar prices will skyrocket causing a further decline…
    What this means is that heads we lose and tails we also lose….

    There is only one answer and that is to jump on board BBE’s lifeboat🙂

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  47. millertheanunnaki October 20, 2012 at 10:35 AM #

    @ Checkit-Out | October 19, 2012 at 11:28 PM |
    “But I’m with AC on this one. I understand that the current Government is considering a really exciting waste to energy project that should be a winner using river tamarind as the prime fuel.”

    I have no problem with a WTE plant that relies primarily on organic plant materials like river tamarind and sugar cane (bagasse) and other natural waste materials to generate electricity. We have been burning plant materials mainly bagasse to run sugar factories for ages. Nothing new here.
    My main objection is to any WTE that relies heavily on the incinerating of plastics and other inorganic materials containing dangerous chemicals and toxins. This would not only pose a hazard to public health but also will not be in keeping with a “green” economy.

    A WTE plant burning potentially dangerous plastics and other inorganic matter is the type of plant that ac has been promoting. She would even include dead carcasses both human and animal in the mix; with the burning of OSA, Onions, Enuff, and the miller alive to convince Bushie that such a project can succeed.(LOL!!!).

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  48. Bush Tea October 20, 2012 at 10:51 AM #

    @ Miller
    You just like ac, except you don’t seem to recognize when to declare a truce and live to fight another day.🙂
    1 EfW does not necessarily mean combustion…..
    2 Even in combustion systems the rate of pollutants into the environment is better that that produced from land fills by far.
    3 YOU are the blogger that introduced the idea of burning dead bodies LOL (although the burning of live Millers seems viable🙂 )
    4 ….you really out of your depths here for once Miller…. Just call it a massive defeat and go back to your politics where you are sound in your position that all is lost…. LOL

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  49. millertheanunnaki October 20, 2012 at 11:03 AM #

    @ ac | October 19, 2012 at 9:07 PM |
    “plants in USA germany Italy worldwide solar companies stock have meet a beating , look just listen to the pseudo intellecutal miller he knows it all. the truth is that not many people can afford solar which means the output does not meet the demand. because it is costly for the average homeowner meanwhile WTE plants are thriving and their stock keeps rising.”

    Ac aren’t you inadvertently or stupidly beating up against your own party’s policies and programmes for the development of the renewable energy industry with special emphasis on the solar energy sector?

    Your groundless objections and negatives prognoses for the viability of sector are enough to put off Williams Industries and a host of other players and potential entrants to the solar technologies market.
    The reason why solar technology would always run up against challenges of technology advancement and expected profitability returns in countries that you keep referring to is that the basic raw material input (sunshine) is not available in a consistent and reliable manner. Barbados and other tropical countries are not, thank God, face with this sunshine deficit for 6 months of the year.

    Once we can get the technology right ourselves we will be sitting on a renewable energy goldmine. But don’t expect much technical support from those countries where the Sun is not their first source of energy. Why would they anyhow want to give the economically enslaved the keys to undo their manacles? Energy is the key to economic development, agricultural success and cultural freedom to pursue activities of a higher cultural appreciation like art, music, literature and other ‘creative’ ‘pursuits.

    So ac, stop putting down our comparative advantage but embrace it by wrapping your hot if not sexy body around the national solar flag to bring true economic freedom and development to this nation now owned by Trinidadians bought by the same money we spend with them to buy their fossil fuels.

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  50. DavidB October 20, 2012 at 11:56 AM #

    People are talking on this blog as though the green energy project is a idea of the current government. this policy was mentioned in the budgets 2006 and again in 2007. By the end of 2007 the policy green paper was completed by Minister Liz Thompson, but the BEES did not get the opportunity to implement it.

    When the paper was taken to parliament this year, the present government was embarrassed when it was discovered that they forgot to delete the name of the former minister from all over the document. I have a daughter who often visits parliament after school and she witnessed this first hand. They just dusted off and reused the excellent work already done by Liz.

    So,while they get kudos for trying to do something, they should not try to pass it off as their own initiative.

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  51. ac October 20, 2012 at 1:59 PM #

    All i would say that if the govt pursue solar they must be careful with the kind of investors theywould be dealing with as right now the solar industry is getting aa beating campanies not seeing as much demand and the profit margin is not as healthy as it used to be yes not surpring to hear willims out on a limb for the industry need all the help they can get when entering the small markets.bushie global recession has wrecked havoc however WTE has not seen the same impact as solar

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  52. ac October 20, 2012 at 2:43 PM #

    Miller i can,t stop any one from investing a project but it is incumbent for those doing the investing being but ownership or part owenership to do the research. the govt has its work cut out for it and one area is that of providing jobs and that should be the bottom line wether it be solar or WTE i will give my full support.hopimg fior the best.

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  53. Enuff October 20, 2012 at 5:38 PM #

    @ ac
    Aren’t climate and population size (volume of garbage) factors?

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  54. ac October 20, 2012 at 6:30 PM #

    as urban population continues to grow so to will garbage and since its is source is unlimted and not confined to one thing there will always be garbage that is why we have landfills and still if one looks around their enviroment they would see plenty of garbage of many sources discard openly and left for decay which can effect ones health negatively, as for climate i dont see any real reason to be concerned about climate we live in a tropical country right now across eurpoe and north america and also here in barbados there are recyclingt bins for the purpose of separating garbage i see the purpose of the WTE not only to convert energy but to provide for clean and healthy surroundings and enviroment through advanced technology.

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  55. Enuff October 21, 2012 at 9:10 AM #

    @ ac
    Thank you. You see now why you should not compare Barbados with temperate countries that have large populations.?

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  56. millertheanunnaki October 21, 2012 at 9:41 AM #

    @ Enuff | October 21, 2012 at 9:10 AM |

    Ac has been totally trapped, caught, wrapped and placed in the garbage bin that acts as the filter to commonsense on this one and ready for the furnace. Even her much revered crooked minister of garbage has come straight and clean on this one and has totally rejected ac’s and Bushie’s desire for handling garbage by burning in tourism-oriented Bim with its unreliable electricity generation spin off.

    One wonders what Emera with its fossil fuel electricity generation plant would have to say and do about it. (Before ac jumps from the garbage bin onto her high furnace let me say a similar quandary applies to solar generated energy).

    Ac, a second word of advice as offered by the owl first pointed out by GEORGIE PORGIE. Stay away from topics where commonsense and knowledge should prevail and not support for a lost political cause or moribund political leader. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread

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  57. ac October 21, 2012 at 10:15 AM #

    @ enuff

    one must also realised that WTE is not going to be the cure alll of our energy problems but is indeed a step in the right direction seen as an additional to solving our dependency on fossil fuels. the fact that you think that volume is going to dependant on the amount of energy WTE can produce is mute because there are other viable energy sectors are already in place to compensate for any energy shortages WTE would be another viable alternative to give to a public whose only dependency is on one energy source and most likely it would be first directed to the poorest areas of any given community .with proper planning and management it can work.

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  58. ac October 21, 2012 at 10:21 AM #

    miller @ac

    Ac, a second word of advice as offered by the owl first pointed out by GEORGIE PORGIE. Stay away from topics where commonsense and knowledge should prevail and not support for a lost political cause or moribund political leader. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread

    ac @ miller

    i will give you the same piece of advice i gave to GEORGOE PORGIE
    to whom much is given much is expected , as in this case i don’;t expect much from you EXCEPT FEARMONGERING!

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  59. millertheanunnaki October 21, 2012 at 10:41 AM #

    @ ac | October 21, 2012 at 10:15 AM |

    How will the $400 million plus interest cost of building (soon $800 million like the new hospital) WTE plant be financed? Through the much DLP maligned BOLT like the Prison? Who will bear the cost of the annual repayments? The taxpayers or the beneficiaries of the electricity generated by the plant?

    Stop writing nonsense about electricity being “directed at the poorest areas of the community”. You really feel the lending agencies or the IMF would go along with such ‘welfare’ foolishness. The ‘benefit’ principle will be at the centre of any BOLT or loan arrangement; not the ‘ability-to-pay’.

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  60. ac October 21, 2012 at 10:51 AM #

    miller are you stating that the “poor availabilty to low cost electricity is nonsense while you tout the Solar as a viable option which is more more expensive one that the poor could not invest in.

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  61. millertheanunnaki October 21, 2012 at 11:09 AM #

    @ ac | October 21, 2012 at 10:51 AM |

    No, silly!
    I am saying that whichever method of generating electricity there will be no direct subsidy to the poor who use electricity.
    What’s so new about that? What about that you don’t understand?
    Is that not the reason the DLP remove the subsidy from the fuel supplied by the BNOC to BL&P and from gasoline and diesel?

    If you want to help the poor then offer pricing incentives to conserve energy or offer grants to those below a certain income to install solar technology

    Those who benefit must pay. Let the poor receive some form of concession through the income tax system or welfare payments without distorting the price in the market.

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  62. To The Point October 21, 2012 at 11:50 AM #

    whilst i support the use of solar paower to produce electricity, it is not cheap for for the average household. Based on my consumption pattern, I have been given a quote of twenty thousand dollars to install a system that will generate the electricity and sell any excess to the company 10 cent cheaper than i would have to pay if my production was less than what was consumed.

    I have been informrd that my house must be insured, this is one of requirements of the electricity comapny and this is creating a stir as there is an element in the barbadian society, because of its culture, does not believe in insurance, just like it does not believe that money should be banked for interst making, among other things.

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  63. millertheanunnaki October 21, 2012 at 12:06 PM #

    @ To The Point | October 21, 2012 at 11:50 AM |

    And what is your point here? Continue as is? What happens when the foreign exchange runs out or get real low and we are hard-pressed to pay for the import of fuel oil to run our generating plant? Go back to burning cow down dried by the same Sun or collect ‘wood’ to cook food?

    Why not tell the present administration to offer grants and interest-free loans to those households whose incomes fall below a certain level and who can’t afford the upfront capital outlay? The insurance of the house ought to be done in any event but can be paid for from the sale of electricity to the national grid.

    We are either going to do it willingly and in our own way or it will be forced upon us one way or the other.

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  64. ac October 21, 2012 at 2:48 PM #

    the point is that people cannot afford the investment and long term mainteance and that is the long and short of the story in north america govt have tried all kinds of incentives and the people have not responded.

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  65. millertheanunnaki October 21, 2012 at 3:04 PM #

    @ ac | October 21, 2012 at 2:48 PM |

    So why is your DLP administration pushing it? Why don’t you be constructively critical enough and with the ovarian fortitude of an Amazon tell them they are wasting time, money and other resources and only fooling the people.
    Do that ac and we will admire you for crossing the Rubicon. Yes, ac, go for it and criticise the DLP, for once.

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  66. Hants October 21, 2012 at 3:34 PM #

    I don’t know where your get your information but Solar energy has been proven as a reliable source to produce electricity.

    Barbados has the climate that makes it a viable option.

    If Emera was a well run company they would invest in a solar plant or buy electricity from solar providers and resell at a profit while reducing their fossil fuel cost.

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  67. ac October 21, 2012 at 5:48 PM #

    hants

    I don’t know where your get your information but Solar energy has been proven as a reliable source to produce electricity.

    ac

    who said different

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  68. To The Point October 21, 2012 at 6:57 PM #

    @miller

    u r such a jack ass, did u hear me say that it is not good to use it, people r becoming tired of u politicizing every thing, I just dont beleive that u have any sense of reasoining, i hope u havnt taught your children that way u think else they would be useless like u.

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  69. millertheanunnaki October 21, 2012 at 7:04 PM #

    @ To The Point | October 21, 2012 at 6:57 PM |
    “…. I have been informrd that my house must be insured, this is one of requirements of the electricity comapny and this is creating a stir as there is an element in the barbadian society, because of its culture,”

    Go and insure your blasted house and then you can come back and argue with me, stupid.

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  70. Hants October 21, 2012 at 9:16 PM #

    http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/21/tonight-on-cnn-energy-special-the-gps-road-map-for-powering-america/

    I watched this on TV. Very interesting.

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  71. David May 31, 2016 at 3:20 AM #

    One can always tell when there is an election in the region, BU Wickham blogs are resurrected.

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  72. Crusoe May 31, 2016 at 5:10 AM #

    Polls can indeed attempt to sway elections of one sort or another. Look at the current Brexit ‘polls’.

    There are surely attempts , mainly by the ‘Leave’ group, to heavily pressure the voters.

    One gets the impression, from the activity being propagated by the event, that the pressure groups are almost rabid with desire to have a certain outcome.

    Such vitriolic push thus begs the question, who is behind and with what intention, of such rabid pressures?

    I am beginning to wonder if the Leave camp is actually being pushed by other than inside the UK, from those who would benefit from a weak or broken up EU.

    Has the EU become too strong in the view of some? Is the Brexit issue driven by other than altruistic (for UK) reasons?

    But I digress.

    Yes, indeed pollsters can influence outcome, if their reach and desire is so aimed.

    However, I believe that where an educated and thinking voter group is present, it is that much harder.

    But recent elections have demonstrated that many voters either are not incisive in their analysis of the options or simply care more about other things than the long term outcome.

    And surely freedom of speech is paramount? Must we be baby-sat through all of our reading of such analysis?

    At some point or another, the voters have to take responsibility.

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  73. Vincent Haynes May 31, 2016 at 5:46 AM #

    Crusoe May 31, 2016 at 5:10 AM #

    Both sides on the EU question are falling over themselves with feeding highly speculative scenarios to the public.

    Polling here in the UK since last years electoral prediction is now taken with a pinch of salt.

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  74. Vaughn A R Blanchard June 2, 2016 at 9:39 AM #

    The Party not favored by the poll should use the results to be energized and do more campaigning. Not complain.

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