Did The Nation Talkback Forum Really Meet Its Objective Kaymar?

Kaymar Jordan, Editor in Chief, Nation newspaper (l) George Pilgrim, General Secretary, DLP

BU observed the Talkback Forum hosted by the Nation newspaper this week and contrary to Editor in Chief Kaymar Jordan’s pronouncement that it was a success, we beg to disagree. Perhaps she measured success based on the 500 hundred attendees and 1,500 streaming the event (it would be interesting to know how many people streaming the event were logged on from Barbados). However, if the Nation newspaper is the people’s choice and is touted to have a circulation of  greater than one hundred thousand then some may judge that – at the height of the silly season – the forum should have attracted greater numbers.

Regarding the content of the discussion, BU suggests that the report card cannot be graded with a pass mark if the government side was NOT represented. Yes there was a lively discussion but if the forum was constructed to bring key stakeholders/commentators together to discuss “The Next General Election”, surely a full ventilation of the topic could not have been achieved in the circumstances.

BU has stated on other blogs that the government erred by not sending a representative to the session. We note the general secretary of the Democratic Labour Party DLP) has taken umbrage to the quality of the invitation sent to the Prime Minister by the Nation newspaper, indicating that the Nation deviated from protocol. It does not mean Mr General Secretary that Stuart could not have dispatched an emissary to participate who could have used the opportunity to speak to any discomfort the Prime Minister has with the invitation.  A better outcome to addressing public perception. This government continues to have a problem appreciating and responding to the political dimension to several issues.

The DLP must be patently aware that any government managing an economy during an austere time will encounter declining popularity. It is a commonsense matter. In fact the better option would have been to indicate to the Nation Publishing Company that the timing of the Talkback Forum was not convenient and to suggest an alternative date. The fact that the both parties who comprised the Estates of the Realm were not able to negotiate a mutually satisfactory arrangement does not bode well for Barbados.

The political rhetoric being mouthed by the DLP General Secretary George Pilgrim is too little too late. His invitation for Mia Mottley to cross the floor aired on Voice of Barbados would have had a more dramatic impact – though political fluff – at the Nation Talkback session when Mottley was quizzed about her relationship with Arthur. Opportunity MISSED to widen the doubt in the minds of many undecided voters concerning BLP leadership.

What we have noticed is that Kaymar has been at her most strident in the public space when dealing with Talkback Forum issues and CLICO since taking over as Editor in Chief. She participated on a talk show with David Ellis this week and suggested the Talkback series was not a money spinner (words to this effect). She can build her credibility and that of the Nation by attacking other issues which afflict our country. How about being as strident highlighting governance issues listed in the Auditor General’s report over the years? How about rising concern about the National Insurance Scheme and its ability to produce current financials. An issue which has straddled both governments. What about the ‘defunct’ Public Accounts Committee?

Kaymar the Big Interview follow up for you and the Nation is to ask Arthur if he has retreated from the position taken in his famous UWI interview when he condemned Mia Mottley by slurring her lifestyle.

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  1. Brief October 13, 2012 at 5:43 PM #

    George:

    I would read most of what Onions, MIller, et al have to say – I will not trust ONE word from Kaymar Jordan until she prints the SIGNATURES of the ‘Eager 11″ her title not mine. She had a juicy story to put to the PM through her media and printed that she would PUBLISH the signatures if the names continue to deny agreement. She is still Editor in Chief and has never been Emeritus she should keep her word or she lied as a professional.

    A discussion is not a signature and notice to meet is not an agreement to make a motion.

    Kaymar is still to complete her word by action. If that offends the BLP so be it she had her say and we (you and I) place ours

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  2. David (not BU) October 13, 2012 at 5:46 PM #

    ac, i for one is sick of you all BS.

    the Nation say they sent the letter the office of the opposition leader. was he there?

    let me ask another question? elections are less than 6 months away, base on your comments about “respect” has anyone sent out the letter “REQUESTING” the PM or Opposition Leader to attend any debates?

    let me ask another question? when they are Sunday shows on Brass Tacts, are those invitations sent out a year before?

    and last question, what is the difference between a PANEL DISCUSSION and a DEBATE?

    ac, you need to go and cool down because clearly someone is filling your head with a lot of hot air.

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  3. David (not BU) October 13, 2012 at 5:50 PM #

    Brief, less not fool ourselves. an agreement was made between the Nation and the MoF, Chris to keep the letter with the signatures from coming out.

    end of that story.

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  4. ac October 13, 2012 at 5:59 PM #

    george pligrim stupsee he fell fuh the bait by responding to the Nation. the PM had responded to the Nation as to why he couldn’t attend and suffice to say the nation was not satisfied and brings it into the public arena for antagonistic debate . well can’t imagine if the PM had showed up and refused to answer any one of the questions hell would have broken loose as for the talk about inniss and communication he too could have represent the the DLP if need be but you BLP yardflows think wunna one got all the sense and everybody else dummies . not one DLP attended that FORUM because they knew it would have made matters worse going into to an election , right now the stove is turned up but the DLP has enough water to out the fire this too shall cease asas one can see the forum has only accomplished one thing and that is to make a complete ass of themselves as unethical rabblerausers dividing the country along party lines while doing more harm than and instead of the public talking about the issues of the day the public is waring among themselves as to “IF ” WHY” and coudaaa the PM had not attended the FORUM a bunch of malarkey!

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  5. HAMILTON HILL October 13, 2012 at 6:05 PM #

    TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: Seems like forever I have been telling you about the piss poor standard of journalism in Barbados.Just play the clip then read the story {david provided the link} about the Peter Wickham ban at Nation News.Now juxtapose that with a question I posed via email to Peter about whether he saw Freundel Stuart as a politician.He is the one that said journalists in Barbados were too vulnerable to take pot shots at politicians.While my point is that he too was forced to wear a muzzle in Owen’s country,let me hasten to say that evidence of flaws in his polls is yet to be uncovered,and as such they have to be respected.What also has to be accepted is the fact that certain journalists who bow,who kowtow to their Lord and Master Owen Seymore Arthur must not be premitted to set the agenda for any other party,be it the government or while in opposition.Baseball is about to start so ah gone.Cornwell I think ya neighbour daughter just come out de shower.Tom, Tom …Adams….ah giving you another choice. Pick Tom.

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  6. ac October 13, 2012 at 6:16 PM #

    @ davud BU

    i made a comment as to how one should approach the office of the PM and you reply with cock and bull questions some of the answers you might only be privy to by word of mouth coming from the nation and nothing else to back it up loook the credibilty factor has long been gone with the nation and i take anything i read or see in that paper with a grain or salt wether the DLP win or loss . the nation credibilty is like sand pouring through a siev. nothing left of it,

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  7. NationBLPnewspaper October 13, 2012 at 6:21 PM #

    You see why the Ntaion newspaper has no credibility- The Nation pretends that they want a fair and balanced forum to deal with the upcoming election and therefore invited both parties.
    Here is the hypocrisy, for the last 4 1/2 years the Ntaion has stuffed its papers with columnists promoting the BLP namely Albert Brandford, Pat Hoyos, Sanka Price(remember the best brains article);Ezra Alleyne, Peter Symmonds and Clyde Mascoll.
    Virtually every week the bove columnists have been very partisan and one sided in their “analysis”.
    Was any column offered to the DLP or anyone associated with the DLP to counteract Mascoll or Brandford’s propaganda?
    That is the million dollar question that Kaymar should answer,
    But, suddenly now – the Nation pretends that they want to hear both sides.
    The reality is that the Nation newspaper is firmly in the grip of the BLP because Sir Fred Gollop(the chairman and former BLP senator) and Vivian AnnGittens are well known BLP supporters.
    The Nation newspaper is the Fox news of Barbados- “Fair and Balanced but biased as hell”.

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  8. David October 13, 2012 at 6:21 PM #

    If the same letter was sent to the leader of the opposition clearly no disrespect was intended by the Nation. We need to see the ;letter.

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  9. NationBLPnewspaper October 13, 2012 at 6:32 PM #

    How many stories have you read in the Nation newspaper challenging Owen Arthur on his failure to pay Al Barrack?
    How many Nation columnists wrote about Arthur’s failure to convene meetings of the Public Accounts Committee or his hypocrisy in the Clico affair?
    Will we see anyone in the Nation write about the invisibility of Dale Marshall who is still “deputy”?
    With polls looking favourable to the BLP, will anyone in the Nation question Arthur on specific solutions or will he be allowed like Mitt Romney to speak in general terms and just criticise.
    The lists and questions can go on but do not wait for these questions to be asked?
    The Nation and Kaymar Jordan should be judged not on their words but their actions and the Nation newspaper’s actions all lead in one direction – to promote the BLP.
    The Nation and its editors should look at their mirror image. They are now plainly promoting one party over another.They are now “All the paper for the BLP”.

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  10. ac October 13, 2012 at 6:33 PM #

    David (not BU) | October 13, 2012 at 5:50 PM

    Brief, less not fool ourselves. an agreement was made between the Nation and the MoF, Chris to keep the letter with the signatures from coming out.

    ac
    and you David (not BU) talk about me and BS wuh the above comment ain’t nothing more than Bull plastered with sh……..

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  11. David October 13, 2012 at 6:37 PM #

    It is clear the Nation went to press based on firm info.

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  12. NationBLPnewspaper October 13, 2012 at 6:38 PM #

    The Barbados Association Of Journalist must give Pat Hoyos the award for “Political Ass Kisser Of The Year”.
    Hoyos is running out of space on Arthur’s butt to “kiss”.
    I cannot remember another Journalist in Barbados who has so openly worn a political preference on his sleeve.
    Word on the street is that he has been promised 30 pieces of silver . You see why Barbados will have to turn to the blogs because Owen Arthur is about total domination of the media.
    That will be good for Arthur and Hallam Nicholls but not for Barbados.

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  13. Fourth estate October 13, 2012 at 6:39 PM #

    As a fromer journalist in California its strange to see an editor as caught up in political electioneering as Kaymar. Newspapers traditionally endorse a candidate or party but the editor does not openly get wrapped up in the day to day tug of war election action like Kaymar.
    The same applies to Wickham he is a pollster not campaign worker from his numerous statements he’s long ago taken a stance against the government. He is now using his polls to shape opinion against the DLP. Little impartiality is forthcoming from Kaymar or Wickham you know the political side they are on before they open their mouths. They are using their media occupations with nation wide access to the public to denigrate the DLP while giving the BLP a free pass.

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  14. NationBLPnewspaper October 13, 2012 at 6:43 PM #

    @Fourth Estate
    “They are using their media occupations with nation wide access to the public to denigrate the DLP while giving the BLP a free pass.”
    Exactly ! Add to that list Albert Brandford, Sanka Price and Pat Hoyos.

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  15. ac October 13, 2012 at 7:01 PM #

    the comment @ oct13 2012 @ 6.16 pm was for David not BU

    ac the highest office in the land should be treated with respect rather one vagrees with the ideaologies or politics or not we have reached a new low when the Fourth estate the keepers of the gate decides throw caution to the wind showing total and brazen disrepect to the office and for which it stands here is a newpaper editor who says that her paper conceputalise a town hall meeting in sept then sends a letter to the PM and expects hishim and his cabinet to drop all other important matters to attened a town hall meeting whose focus is designed to discuss the recent Cadres POOL . now what in the nanme of HASIL MARY could be so im portant about a pool that needed direct attention that would have been more important that the PM attending prior engaments of which he had made offical araarregaments . What arrogance.

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  16. ac October 13, 2012 at 7:10 PM #

    ac the highest office in the land should be treated with respect rather one agrees with the ideologies or politics or not we have reached a new low when the Fourth estate the keepers of the gate decides throw caution to the wind showing total and brazen disrespect to the office and for which it stands here is a newspaper editor who says that her paper conceptualise a town hall meeting in sept then sends a letter to the PM and expects him and his cabinet to drop all other important matters to attend a town hall meeting whose focus is designed to discuss the recent Cadres POOL . now what in the name of HAIL MARY could be so important about a poll that needed direct attention that would have been more important that the PM attending prior engagements to do with the country of which he had made official arrangements . What arrogance.

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  17. Clone October 13, 2012 at 7:26 PM #

    Well I now see another reason why Kaymar is cruel with the DLP. No advertisement.
    There is a full page ad in the Advocate about the meeting at Queens College tomorrow. Not a squeak given to the Nation. Bravo DLP.

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  18. millertheanunnaki October 13, 2012 at 7:26 PM #

    @ ac | October 13, 2012 at 5:26 PM |
    ” they would be told with in no uncertain terms to get loss.iwill emphaised once again the lack of respect for the office of PM was shown in the way the forum was handle and for that i respect the PM for not showing up all this alien talk as to why he did not show up is just another front to humiliate the PM by the nation and the BLP yardflows.”

    FS himself has already sullied and tarnished that office through his unapologetic unwavering backing of Leroy P of CLICO infamy.

    By describing Leroy in such glowing terms knowing full well that the man is a corporate thief and con man is grounds enough to withdraw respect for the individual holding that office and certainly beyond comprehension as to why he took such as steadfast position to back his pal and accused lawbreaker.

    Until he returns t Parliament and withdraws his support for this individual he can expect disrespect to emanate from all quarters.

    Ac, we want see how you will attempt to circumvent Westminster traditions and justify FS steadfast backing of Leroy P.

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  19. Clone October 13, 2012 at 7:28 PM #

    At least he did not take $75000 from Leroy and put it in his personal account

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  20. ac October 13, 2012 at 7:40 PM #

    @miller

    it seems that bajans have lost all respect for the office of the PM and no wonder because when one reflects on the administration of the last 14 years there was alleged abuse of power and unethical practices there is no doubt that that office has been irrevocably damaged and marked with a black stain that is going to take years and plenty of hard work to be removed by those who follow and in my observance of the forum it only helps to reinforce

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  21. millertheanunnaki October 13, 2012 at 7:58 PM #

    @ ac | October 13, 2012 at 7:40 PM |

    Stop eschewing the gist of the argument that FS himself has sullied the office by backing unapologetically Leroy P to the very end of close friendship. Or do you along with Clone find it OK to back an estimable gentleman of the highest integrity and not a leper in his strategies to launder $10 million using the law offices of a former DLP leader as the conduit for such nefarious acts.
    Until you guys be honest enough to tell the voting public how the Families First Account was funded with $34 million your red herring $75,000 would just be a sprat to the large haul caught in the Thompie net containing CLICO life insurance premiums, pension contributions and EFPA investments.

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  22. Gabriel Tackle October 13, 2012 at 8:30 PM #

    @4th estate
    The California you refer to must be in Trinidad.Everyday in the USA we see a number of journalists attacking or praising the Republicans or Democrats viz
    the Washington Post,NY times,Huffington Post,Time and a barrage of talk show hosts like the despised and far right O’Reilly,Hannity,Rush Limbaugh,Glenn Beck,Drudge and the liberal Ed Schulz,Lawrence O’Donnell,Chris Matthews,Rachel Maddow and the man they called the “racial arsonist” but now a respected msnbc talk show host Al Sharpton.In any case because you have limited knowledge of the Barbados scene is no excuse to jump into the fray attacking the contribution of a local journalist.This is the land of Garry Sobers,Rihanna,Suki King,the Mighty Gabby.We are first among equals,not afraid to call Reagan a cowboy,then turn around and welcome the same Reagan and tell him come back any time, and guess what,the great Bill
    Clinton came.Buhbaydus will continue to stand up and be counted.Just ring the bell and let’s get back to business with an efficient team of visionaries.

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  23. Clone October 13, 2012 at 8:56 PM #

    What visionaries?

    In the fourteen years that the BLP was in office just put forward anything that could be classified as being visionary.
    Restructuring the economy would have required that vision.
    Your vision was a Barbados with a car in every garage and a graduate in every house. These visions are killing us today.
    Your great visionary Mia Mottley was Attorney General and was given information that Glendairy was a about to explode. She paid no attention until the prisoners started to riot. Like a Knight in shining armour she rush in and people started praising her for acting fast in getting the prisoners back in a safe location. Glendairy should never have burnt. Then your visionaries in all their madness gave a contract to a firm which never built a prison and the owner was found guilty of fraud in the US.Now we pay 30 million dollars every January for that vision sorry Prison.

    Your visionary PM said he was not at Cabinet when the prison was discussed until Prime minister Stuart produced evidence to show he was there.
    As usual your leader started to back peddled as he will do shortly again as Prime Minister Stuart promise.

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  24. old onion bags October 13, 2012 at 9:03 PM #

    You DLP resurrects are all alike, like kids in a school yard….check this..when anyone SAYS SOMETHING YOU DON’T LIKE….-ATTACK IT

    Wickham…….polls advising of a swing…..-ATTACK HIM

    Nation Forum…..ask what the people would wish hereon ..-ATTACK THAT

    Nation News Paper….reporting news of dissatisfaction.- ATTACK IT

    People calling for an elections………………………….- ATTACK THEM

    Kaymar facilitator in midst………………………………-ATTACK HER

    MIA Owen Prodi JUST ASK Scout GB ………….ATTACK ATTACK

    WHEN THE ELECTIONS RESULTS ARE FINAL….I BET YOU WILL FIND FAULT IN THAT TOO……MARK MY WORDS….ATTACK THAT TOO.

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  25. ac October 13, 2012 at 9:13 PM #

    @gabriel

    yes the media on the political divide in the USA do attack the president or the opposition part on the ISSUES. Can’t be said for the NATION as they only present their version from a one sided point of view never really given critical or decisive information that reflects both side of any issue hence you have a forum with the editor and chief hosting a forum based on a POLL how is that that is going to affect the standard of living in barbados and the solutions for solving our economic woes or in asking mundane question about which political party should lead the country how asinine and downright pompous can she be ,this forum has demonstrated that Kaymar can be as a good a political yardfowl as the rest of us, Sad but true!

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  26. ac October 13, 2012 at 9:18 PM #

    @ onions

    JUST careful of the hymn book from which you sing , next time it might be your turn.

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  27. old onion bags October 13, 2012 at 9:26 PM #

    @AC
    I see you still don’t believe…..DLP will lose this one….word on the streets…polls….intern lend instutns……..regional news reports….DLP voters feeling…. Caribbean election trends… most importantly DLP ‘s PERFORMANCE WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?

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  28. Enuff October 13, 2012 at 10:17 PM #

    @ Clone
    Stop with the $75,000 cheque that is a zero argument because the accuser was found to have received cheques from CLICO in his name…notice I said his name and not the firm’s i.e David Thompson & Associates. Yet PM Stuart said he saw nothing of concern in the report. Were those cheques written to David Thompson for the firm or his personal account? lmao

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  29. Enuff October 13, 2012 at 10:22 PM #

    @ Clone
    “The DLP has done a good job of keeping the country from falling into deep recession such as in Spain and Greece.”

    Spain is in dire straits because their property market COLLAPSED resulting in huge job losses and banks with a pile of bad mortgages, which forced the government to borrow and spend to avoid total ruin ending in EU inflicted austerity. What sector in Barbados collapsed and which banks are near to collapsing? Who got bailed out by the government? High wages and being bound to the Euro dollar have also made the country uncompetitive. Greece’s problems are a consequence of exactly what your government is doing now: running high annual budget deficits.
    Here are some economic indicators for Spain and Barbados:
    * Spain’s S&P credit rating is BBB- while it is BB+ for Barbados
    * In 2011 Barbados’ economy grew by 0.5% and Spain’s 0.7%
    * Unemployment in Spain is around 25% from 10% in 2007 (after increasing the civil service by 11% since 2008 massive layoffs have commenced with a 32,000 reduction in the first quarter of 2012) ; in Barbados’ case it is 12% up from 6.7% in 2007 with an additional 2,000 (70 alone at the BWA according to the Auditor General) employees added to the public sector since 2007
    * Budget deficit in Spain for 2011 was 8.5% and 8.8% in Barbados

    Barbados has not reached Spain or Greece’s territory because the circumstances were different, not due to any herculean efforts of the government.

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  30. Dexter Doo nuttin October 13, 2012 at 10:48 PM #

    Why are some comparing elections in Barbados with those in the USA sure beats the hell out of me.The two are but miles apart. Stuart could never be Obama nor Owen Ronmey. This is a joke.

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  31. Sargeant October 14, 2012 at 7:37 AM #

    @Onions
    Souse time people..we all know Onions is a sucker for Saturday Puddin n Souse…by the way we did not hear Sarge this week..Sarge here is hoping you are in good health n well……
    ******************

    Thanks Onions didn’t know you cared. I was off enjoying the fruits of my labour on a well-earned R & R. As to my health tomorrow is not promised to anyone but I have promises to keep and miles to go before I sleep (with apologies to Robert Frost).

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  32. JUST ASKING October 14, 2012 at 11:05 AM #

    STEWPS | October 13, 2012 at 9:43 AM |
    was Joey Harper, Glyne Murray, Jerome walcott, Peter Simmonds in attendance at Kaymar’s attack DLP festival

    ——————————————–
    These gentlemen apppear regularly on this Blog
    What more do you want ?

    JUST ASKING

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  33. ac October 15, 2012 at 5:42 AM #

    OSA called “THE NATION TOWN HALL MEETING ” DISRESPECTFUL !
    i Agree!

    FS CAlled :THE NATION TOWN HALL MEETING” THE BLP TOWN HALL MEETING

    i Agree!

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  34. ac October 15, 2012 at 7:04 PM #

    http://www.dlpbarbados.org/cms/

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