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Hear Our Prayer O Lord

Why does the act of praying become top of mind whenever there is a desire to be comforted? This observation is all the more real when those who invoke and participate in prayer are non believers. Those who watched The Grammys (2012) witnessed host LL Cool J kicking off proceedings with a prayer triggered by…

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Queen Elizabeth stoutly defends the Church and religion

Why does the act of praying become top of mind whenever there is a desire to be comforted? This observation is all the more real when those who invoke and participate in prayer are non believers. Those who watched The Grammys (2012) witnessed host LL Cool J kicking off proceedings with a prayer triggered by the passing of Whitney Houston.  It didn’t matter that we live in a world comprised of believers, atheists, agnostics and God knows who else. The audience appeared to accede to LL Cool J’s request without rebellion.

It should be of interest to many that a debate is currently raging in Great Britain, sparked by a court decision to ban the tradition of saying prayers at council meetings. There is a rising fear among ‘believers’ that centuries old tradition of praying to kick off  public meetings  is under threat by the ruling. To add to the concern for Christians everywhere there was a recent court ruling in the US jurisdiction where ‘a Judge has ruled that churches must stop meeting in school buildings because a worship service is an act of organised religion that consecrates the place in which it is performed, making it a church’. The fight between the secular and non-secular is beginning to take shape. A former Archbishop of Canterbury was prompted to warn that  ‘our faith is under siege’.

The debate in the UK is likely to be stoked further with Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II entering the fray. Queen Elizabeth took the most unusual step of, in effect, condemning the court decision against having prayers as a part of the agendas of public institutions. Also, Baroness Warsi (a Muslim) in a speech at the Vatican also condemned the high court ruling. Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth left no one in any doubt as to her feelings on the matter in an address delivered at Lambeth Palace at the first official Diamond Jubilee function at a luncheon for the heads of the 7 largest faiths in the UK. The fact that Queen Elizabeth rarely expresses herself in such firm terms will not be taken lightly in a society which represents the bastion of Christianity. How many bets that the decision in this matter is likely to be overturned?

We are living in interesting times!

74 responses to “Hear Our Prayer O Lord”

  1. TECHNICIAN Avatar
    TECHNICIAN

    chocolate city hussle | February 17, 2012 at 4:33 PM |
    @TECHNICIAN | February 17, 2012 at 9:58 AM |

    i pity blinded people such as u. if u find yourself at death’s door tonight, you will be desperately looking around for someone to pray for you, begging those standing watching you, not to allow you to die. i truly pity you. should you die as you are, whether you accept it or not, you will face eternity WITHOUT God. sure respond to me with your delusional crap but remember you do have a conscious and it DOES tell you that God exist. you have the choice, we all do

    Been there, done that and never uttered a word!
    How could I if it is not my belief?
    Dont pity me…pity yourself. How do you know I will suffer eternity?…who went, saw and came back to tell you this?

    You are such an idiot…if we have a choice as you claim and I chose not to believe for my reasons, who then are you to pity me..you made your choice…good for you..I made mine and my conscience is clear…hope yours are too.
    This scare tactics crap you people use does not faze me. I have made my choice and that is what it is…wtf are you to question my choice…deal with yourself…I am good in my life.

  2. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    @Nnaki/Ralian, Your typical ‘Redherring’ foolish distractive questions, obviously in IGNORANCE, have NO substance whatsoever in the historical context of the issue at hand.

    Because Roman Catholicism, historically, did not come into existence until around 324 AD, with the official imput of Constantine, and grew to the grotesque ‘Whore of Revelation’ the Hybrid union of State/Church, does NOT mean any of its scholars, I.e., Eusibius et al, could not write profound Truth, re the TRUE Apostolic Church 1st century AD, and its already well established doctrine, as recorded by the EYEWITNESES, Jesus’ Apostles, contained in the early MSS and following on in the 2nd and 3rd centuries, cementing the CORE Apostolic doctrine, of Jesus and His followers, attested to by both internal AND external evidence, from that early 1st century WITNESS, confirmed by the further writings and testimony, of the immediate 2nd century, post-apostolic fathers, all of who quoted FROM the 1st century apostolic witnesses, that the Word of God, WAS clearly grounded and established, BEFORE, these SPURIOUS, fradulent so-called gospels started appearing LONG after the the close of the 1st century consummation by the Apostle John on the Isle of Patmos approx 95AD, the Book of Revelation, sealing the Apostolic Canon of Scripture, God’s Word.

    These wicked, twisted, so-called, other gospels, were nothing more than another attempt by Satan, as he has been doing from the very beginning in Genesis, with Eve, ‘Hath God said…don’t believe Him…’ to pervert, corrupt the TRUTH, of Almighty God’s divinely inspired Word, he has FAILED on every count to discredit the Word of God; yes, Satan will always secure foolish followers, deceived people, who because they loved NOT the Truth, were given over to, released to a ‘spirit’ of LIES and deception.

    The indictment against Roman Catholicism, and some of its scholars, IS that while they defended the writings of the 1st century Apostolic Eyewitnesses of Jesus, against these heretical ‘other’ gospel MSS, as cited below, in Eusibius sound doctrinal Christological position, which even the Popes up unti today still profess, BUT, they then completely VITIATE this confessed, sound core Apostolic Truth, with the utter maze of Paganistic, false doctrine all mixed UP, with the Word of God.

    Can’t work, never will, as it IS* either/or, but certainly NOT both/and, as two competing TRUTH CLAIMS, cannot be both right, the unchanging Law of Non-Contradiction! EITHER/OR!

    Futher, the nonsense ‘Redherring’ you’ve tried to interject re Easter/Christmas, the birth of Christ, holds NO substance in the overall position of this issue at hand! Another piece of distractive FOLLY!

    “Eusebius recognized with genuine amazement that: “Jesus alone of all those who have ever existed is even to the present day called Christ [that is Messiah and Saviour of the world] by all men throughout the world, and is confessed and witnessed to under this name, and is commemorated both by Greeks and Barbarians and even to this day is honoured as a King by his followers throughout the world, and is admired as more than a prophet, and is glorified as the true and only High Priest of God. And besides all this, as the pre-existent Logos of God, called into being before all ages, he has received august honour from the Father, and is worshipped and adored as God. But most wonderful of all is the fact that we who have consecrated ourselves to him, honour him not only with our voices and with the sound of words, but also with complete elevation of soul, so that we choose to give testimony unto him rather than to preserve our own lives” (cf. I, 3, 19-20).

  3. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Zoe | February 21, 2012 at 8:16 AM |

    We see that you continue to “cherry-pick” your scholars and writers who fit your religious paradigm and leanings. OK!

    But what about the Good Friday & Easter bit?
    Or would you agree (putting words in your mouth) that it’s all paganism? Nothing to do with the death and resurrection of your lord and saviour J C!

  4. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Are the Gospels Accurate Historical Books?

    ” The core of the Christian faith rests on the foundation of four ancient biographies of Jesus’ life. If these Gospels are accurate historical records of Jesus’ life, their faith in Jesus is fully rationalized and in fact, all opposing beliefs become irrational. If Jesus rose from the dead as the Gospels claim, this validates his claim to be the Son of God. If Jesus taught the things attributed to him by the Gospels, faith in him is the only way to attain eternal salvation and all other ways lead to eternal separation from God. It is with a great urgency that I ask you to read on and examine my claims regarding the Gospels. I have studied this topic intensively and believe what I say to be of the utmost importance. I believe that the time of their writing, archaeological findings, ancient historical writings, and intelligent evaluation of the known facts should weigh heavily on your decision whether to take the Gospels at their literal word or reject this interpretation. Please give these thoughts objective consideration. To simply ignore the issue would be comparable to sitting on railroad tracks and ignoring warnings of a coming train. The question is- are these warnings valid?”

    When Were the Gospels Written?

    “One of the first considerations to be taken into account when evaluating the testimony of a witness is how well they preserved their information. As time elapses memories fade and the information offered is less accurate. Copies of copies of copies usually end up with variances from the original. If the men who wrote the Gospels did so soon after the death of Christ, the information may be considered more accurate as long as they were written with sincere intent to preserve history concerning the life of Jesus. Then the question arises as to whether these original manuscripts were preserved in future copies. I will attempt to address these concerns in the following essay.”

    “When were the Gospels written? I believe all four were written no later than 70 AD. Jesus prophesied in Matthew 24:2, Mark 13:2, and Luke 21:6 of the coming destruction of the Jewish Temple (that occurred in 70 AD), while John leaves this out entirely. Would not the writers of the Gospels have included this as proof of Jesus’ prophecy had they been written after 70 AD? Would not they have placed emphasis and highlighted the completion of this prophecy? Surely John would have included this prophecy and its completion as well. In 64 AD a great fire broke out in Rome during the reign of Nero. Nero blamed this fire on the Christians living there and persecuted them greatly. As the historian Tacitus wrote in 115 AD…”

    “Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome… Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty: then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind.”

    “Several key points should be noted from this passage. First, there was an immense multitude of Christians living in Rome by 64 AD. Suetonius, another Roman historian mentions Christians (denoting at least an amount significant enough to be mentioned) in Rome by 49 AD in his book The Twelve Caesars. Has any legend grown up so fast, so convincingly, and so far as to inspire “immense multitudes of believers” within 32 years of the legend’s origin? These Christians must have had written documents detailing the life, death, and resurrection of Christ. Otherwise, how could they study his teachings? Would not they request written documents? How could they commit their lives to a mere rumor or legend with meager evidence and no written works to study? Numerous eyewitnesses of Jesus’ life were still around even in 64 AD who could have easily set the record straight had these Christians been proclaiming known lies about the life of Christ. We know of no such opposition. Furthermore, the Gospels (assumed written before 70 AD) would have gone through the same scrutiny. Surely any book written this early that contained faulty portrayals of Christ would have been exposed and thrown out before thousands were meticulously copied by the hands of those who could find no fault in them. Thus the Gospels being written at this early date would have gone under intense scrutiny and survived to convince thousands upon thousands of people to take them up as accurate and reliable historical books.”

    ” We may say with confidence that these Gospels have remained constant throughout their existence. The earliest piece of the Gospels we know of was likely written before 50 AD, which is from Scroll 7Q5 and contains parts of Mark 6:52-53 (Jeffrey 130). Another fragment of John chapter 18 exists that was written sometime between 100 AD and 150 AD (Strobel 61). There are 306 partial or full New Testament manuscripts dated at approximately 350 AD. There are 5,664 New Testament manuscripts in Greek written in the 9th century or later (63). In addition there are 8,000 to 10,000 Latin Vulgate manuscripts and a total of 8,000 manuscripts in Ethiopic, Slavic, and Armenian (63). The total number of ancient manuscripts in existence today comes to roughly 24,000. This number is unprecedented in all ancient literature. The way these manuscripts were copied was by hand in a process where errors could have easily occurred. Yet these copies were remarkably close and only few variances exist. Spelling or word order accounts for the great majority of these variances, which are inconsequential to the meaning of the passage (64). Clearly no major discrepancies have been observed within these manuscripts and therefore one may assuredly conclude that the message of the Gospels has not changed in any significant way whatsoever since they were written.”

    “Some scholars today insist that the Synoptics (Matthew, Mark, & Luke) were derived from a hypothetical collection of sayings of Jesus called ‘Q’ compiled by an unknown author in an unknown place at an unknown time. There is absolutely zero archaeological and historical evidence supporting this conclusion. It takes more faith to believe in this interpretation than that the Gospels were written as separate, agreeable, historical accounts written soon after the life of Jesus. Yet this theory is taught as fact in the Universities across the nation. There is no excuse for ignoring the solid evidence for the accuracy of the Gospels and teaching very questionable theories such as Q (as well as J,P,D,E for the Old Testament!) as facts without doubt in schools. There is little merit in teaching them at all.”

    Do the Writings of Ancient Historians Agree With the Gospels?

    “There is a good amount of ancient extra-Biblical writing that confirms or supports portions of the Gospels. I will briefly address a few of those writings here. I would first like to mention the acts of Jesus recorded in the Gospels. Is there any hint in these writings that Jesus was anyone other than a normal person with no supposed supernatural abilities? Josephus, a well respected Jewish historian, wrote this in his Antiquities of the Jews:”

    “Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works- a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again on the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct to this day” (18.3.3).

    “This is an excellent support of the Gospels’ portrayal of Jesus from a devout Jewish historian. This passage is important in that it confirms that Jesus did exist, that Jesus was known as a doer of “wonderful works”, that Jesus was condemned to crucifixion under the reign of Pilate at the suggestion of principal Jews, that Jesus appeared to his disciples on the third day after his death, and that Christians were alive and well at the time of Josephus.”

    “There is a supernatural darkness mentioned in the passion narratives of the Synoptics (John left out the details of the crucifixion and therefore the darkness as well) as Christ was crucified on the cross (Matthew 27:45, Mark 15:33, Luke 23:44). This was for a long time thought to be an impossibility by the skeptics. Yet ancient historians have written about this as well. Julius Africanus alludes to a work of the historian Thallus who in 52 AD wrote a history of the eastern Mediterranean world since the Trojan War. Africanus wrote this “Thallus, in the third book of his histories, explains away the darkness as an eclipse of the sun … unreasonably, as it seems to me.” Paul Maier wrote this in his book Pontius Pilate (referring to the darkness at the time of the crucifixion of Jesus)”

    “This phenomenon, evidently, was visible in Rome, Athens, and other Mediterranean cities. According to Tertullian … it was a “cosmic” or “world event.” Phlegon, a Greek author from Caria writing a chronology soon after 137 AD, reported that in the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad (i.e. 33 AD) there was “the greatest eclipse of the sun” and that it became night in the sixth hour of the day [i.e. noon] (identical to Gospels claim of darkness during the sixth hour) so that stars even appeared in the heavens. There was a great earthquake in Bithynia, and many things were overturned in Nicaea.”

    “Clearly, these ancient historians add great credibility to believing in the events described in the Gospels especially those surrounding the death and resurrection of Christ.”

    Does Archaeology Support or Conflict with the Gospels?

    “Archaeology apart from the discovery of ancient manuscripts, which I have already discussed, is rather limited. In a sense it is a question and answer type affair. For instance one may ask “Is it reasonable that a census requiring families to return to their hometowns should be put into effect?” It is here that archaeology comes into effect. A certain Egyptian document details such a census in 104 AD. While this certainly does not prove the validity of this type of census in Israel, it enhances the validity of the Gospel story of the birth of Jesus. There are hundreds of such question and answer type challenges, yet the Gospels have checked out in every minor detail. There have been no disproving finds against the Gospels, in all cases archaeology has endorsed them as accurate historical books. This in itself is quite remarkable and enhances the validity of the books greatly. Simply spitting out all of the evidences, what they mean, and how they endorse the Gospels is not something I would particularly enjoy doing – if you want to read about them I recommend looking to other writers (you may check my bibliography for titles). I would, however like to briefly mention to the skeptics that the existence of Nazareth has been confirmed as well as the slaughter of children in Bethlehem as described in the Gospels (Strobel 102-105). These are two of the most recent and initially serious attacks against the Gospels.”

    “I would also like to mention what I believe to be the single most intriguing artifact that baffles scientists today. This artifact is the Shroud of Turin, which first was on recorded public display in Liley, France in 1357 (Jeffrey 114). This is apparently the burial cloth in which Jesus was buried in which is mentioned in all four Gospels (Matthew 27:59; Mark 16:46; Luke 23:53, 24:12; John 19:40, 20:5-7). The Shroud of Turin is a cloth that is fourteen feet, three inches long and three feet, seven inches long (pictures and a wealth of additional information on the shroud may be found here). On the cloth a yellowed image of a crucified man in the state of rigor mortis (which is a state that the body is in two to three days following death) bearing all the wounds (crown of thorns, flogged, speared side) that Christ suffered according to the Gospels. No one has as of yet determined what could have possibly caused the image (other than the supernatural act of resurrection), and no one has been able to duplicate the image even with sophisticated equipment. There are actual bloodstains on the cloth in addition to the yellow image. The image and the bloodstains combine to form a perfect picture of Jesus that is anatomically, medically, and physically perfect in its details. Although the image is somewhat difficult to see close up with the naked eye, it is vividly shown in photographic negative overviews. Scientists have spent thousands of hours studying this cloth, yet all they have come up with is that they don’t know how this image came to be today and much less how anyone in the fourteenth century or earlier could have forged it. Intricate details such as the pollen types and the tiny grains of dirt on the cloth indicate that it spent considerable time in the Middle East, specifically Jerusalem. The type of weave used to make the cloth was identified as from the first century. Faint, almost invisible to the naked eye, yet perfectly formed images of plants and herbs native to Israel (specifically from around Jerusalem and Jericho) have been found on the shroud which reinforces the probability that the shroud is genuinely from Israel. A 3D analyzer tested the cloth and results showed that there was absolutely no possibility it was painted. The image of coins apparently minted in honor of Pontius Pilate circa 32 AD were detected on the eyes, in accordance with first century tradition. The cloth was radiocarbon dated to be from 1260 AD to 1390 AD, yet scientists have thrown this dating out because of a bioplastic coating on the piece tested, carelessness in the actual dating process, and the likelihood that they tested a damaged piece of cloth. To sum up the argument for the cloth, no one has been able to scientifically explain its qualities. How anyone would have and employ more advance methods of creating such a forgery in the Middle Ages than we do now, and would go to such lengths as planting pollen and dirt in the cloth as to deceive scientists hundreds of years in the future is beyond me. I view this cloth as a striking evidence for the resurrection of Christ and accuracy of the Gospels. I don’t see how it could be a forgery. Even if I am somehow mistaken and it is, that still would not discredit the Gospels. I encourage you to research the subject for yourself and come to your own conclusion or accept mine as valid.”

    What Does this Mean to Me?

    “I believe that the evidence I have given here places the Gospels accurate beyond all reasonable doubt, but what now does this mean? Two things and I’ll keep it short. “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.” -John 3:16-18. Believe in Jesus, accept Him as your Savior. Place your faith in Him. Take Him at His word in His Gospels. You will receive eternal life. It is waiting if only you receive it. He has already paid for your sin with His own blood on the cross. He loves you. He died for you. Christ is the only way, [speaking] “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life: no man comes to the Father but through Me.” -John 14:6. Please think about these evidences. Search for the Truth, and you shall find it. Continue to think about what you’ve read. I urge you not to leave your seat until you know your eternal destiny is secure.”

  5. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    NON-BIBLICAL HOLIDAYS

    “Easter, Halloween, and Christmas observances are among the most commonly observed religious and secular holidays (a word perverted from Holy Days) that many people believe are a part of the worship system of the God; however, basic research into the origin of these holidays shows them to be unacceptable to God the Father and Jesus Christ.”

    “Anyone who wishes to worship the true God and his Son correctly should understand the seriousness of celebrating these religious and secular holidays, because their origin and practice involved fertility rites, sexual licentiousness, and the worship of false gods as the central focus of their celebration.”

    “God the Father and the Creator God (Jesus Christ) give this instruction to those who are serious about following their way of life and serving them:”

    “Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you” (Deut.6:14 NIV).

    “Be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, “How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same.” You must not worship the Lord your God in their way, . . .” (Deut.12:30-31 NIV).

    “Do not learn the ways of the nations [heathens] . . .” (Jer.10:2 NIV).

    “Do not follow other gods to serve and worship them; . . .” (Jer.25:6 NIV).

    “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever” (Heb.13:8 NIV).

    “The following study will review some of the more popular religious and secular holidays that are observed around the world by professing Christianity and show that these non-biblical observances are a violation of the law of God and should not be celebrated by the elect of God.”

    THE TRUTH ABOUT EASTER

    “Each year in the spring, masses of worshipers celebrate Easter. Around the world, Easter Sunrise Worship services are held on the tops of hills and mountains, while priests chant and utter incantations, devotees kneel and bow in worship towards the east as the sun crests the horizon.”

    “The places of worship overflow with people dressed in their new Easter clothes. Bells ring from cathedrals and stirring hymns fill the air to inspire and uplift the worshipers. Ministers and priests announce the resurrection of Jesus Christ with great acclaim and joy. And, after the religious rites are over, the children are treated to an Easter egg hunt.”

    “This is a description of a modern-day celebration of Easter. But, as strange as it may seem, a similar description applies to the Easter celebrations in Babylon over 4,000 years ago, in Asia Minor over 2,500 years ago, and in pagan Rome in 100 A.D..”

    “This paper presents several studies into the celebration of Easter, which prove that Easter originated from pagan worship of false gods, and it should not be observed by anyone who wishes to honor and worship God the Father.”

    Easter Eggs: Ancient and Modern

    “The origin of the Pasch [Easter] eggs is just as clear [as the origin of Easter]. The ancient druids bore an egg, as the sacred emblem of their order. In the Dionysiaca, or mysteries of Bacchus, as celebrated in Athens, one part of the nocturnal ceremony consisted in the consecration of an egg. The Hindu fables celebrate their mundane egg as of a golden color. The people of Japan make their sacred egg to have been brazen. In China, at this hour, dyed or painted eggs are used on sacred festivals, even as in this country [England]. In ancient times eggs were used in the religious rites of the Egyptians and the Greeks, and were hung up for mystic purposes in their temples. From Egypt these sacred eggs can be distinctly traced to the banks of the Euphrates. The classic poets are full of the fable of the mystic egg of the Babylonians.”

    “An egg of wondrous size is said to have fallen from heaven into the river Euphrates. The fishes rolled it to the bank, where the doves having settled upon it, and hatched it, out came Venus, who afterwards was called the Syrian Goddess—that is, Astarte. Hence the egg became one of the symbols of Astarte or Easter; and accordingly, in Cyprus, one of the chosen seats of the worship of Venus, or Astarte, the egg of wondrous size was represented on a grand scale.” (The Two Babylons, pp. 108-109).

    The True Origin of Easter

    “What means the term Easter itself? It is not a Christian name. It bears its Chaldean [Babylonian] origin on its very forehead. Easter is nothing else than Astarte [Isthar], one of the titles of Beltis, the queen of heaven . . .” (The Two Babylons, p. 103).

    “The religious solemnities of April, as now practiced, are called by the name of Easter—that month, among our Pagan [British] ancestors, having been called Easter month. The festival, of which we read in Church history under the name of Easter, in the third or fourth centuries, was quite a different festival from that now observed in the Romish Church, and at that time was not known by any such name as Easter. It was called Pasch, or the Passover, and though not of Apostolic institution, was very early observed by many professing Christians; in commemoration of the death and resurrection of Christ” (ibid. p. 104).

    “The Passover was instituted by God when he brought the children of Israel out of Egypt. Moreover, one of the main reasons for killing the Egyptians’ firstborn children and animals was God’s judgment against the gods of the Egyptians:”

    “For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the Lord” (Ex.12:12).

    “The God who went to those lengths to show his power and might over the gods of the Egyptians would never sanction the worship of him by the means of the pagan religious ceremonies or pagan holidays:”

    “That festival agreed originally with the time of the Jewish Passover, when Christ was crucified. . . that festival [of the Passover and feast of Unleavened Bread] was not idolatrous, and was preceded by no Lent . . .” (The Two Babylons, Alexander Hislop, p. 104).

    “The forty days’ abstinence of Lent was directly borrowed from the worshipers of the Babylonian goddess [the queen of heaven]. Such a Lent of forty days, ‘in the spring of the year,’ is still observed by the Yezidis or Pagan Devil worshipers of Koordistan, who have inherited it from their early masters, the Babylonians” (Ibid., p. 104). Moreover, the pagan Mexican Baal sun-worshipers observed a solemn fast like Lent for forty days in honor of the sun beginning three days after the vernal equinox.”

    “Such a Lent of forty days was observed in Egypt . . . was held expressly in commemoration of Adonis or Osiris, the great mediatorial god. . . among the Pagans this Lent seems to have been an indispensable preliminary to the great annual festival in commemoration of the [supposed] death and resurrection of Tammuz [Babylonian name for Adonis or Osiris], which was celebrated by alternate weeping and rejoicing . . .” (Ibid., p. 105).

    The Death and Resurrection for Adonis—The Pagan Savior

    “The pagan counterfeit, which was inspired by Satan, has been substituted for the true Christian Passover and has been accepted as the authentic Christian observance. There are variations in the rituals from country to country, but the death on a Friday and a resurrection on Sunday is a consistent theme.”

    “We have seen that the rites of Tammuz or Adonis were commonly celebrated . . . In the gardens of Adonis are still sown in spring as well as in summer, from which we may perhaps infer that Sicily as well as Syria celebrated of old a vernal festival of the dead and risen god. At the approach of Easter, Sicilian women sow wheat, lentils, and canary seed in plates . . . the plants soon shoot up; the stalks are tied together with red ribbons, and the plates containing them are placed on the sepulchers which, with the effigies of the dead Christ, are made up in Catholic and Greek churches on Good Friday, just as the gardens of Adonis were placed on the grave for the dead Adonis.”

    “The practice is not confined to Sicily . . . The whole custom—the sepulchers as well as plates of sprouting grain—may be nothing but a continuation, under a different name, [the name of Jesus Christ], of the worship of Adonis” (The Golden Bough, p. 400).

    “During the whole of Good Friday a waxen effigy of the dead Christ is exposed to view in the middle of the Greek churches and is covered with fervent kisses by the thronging crowd, while the whole church rings with melancholy, monotonous dirges. Late in the evening, when it has grown quite dark, this waxen image is carried by the priests into the street on a bier . . .” (Ibid., p. 401).

    “This is followed by the ritual mourning by the whole town as the priests slowly carry the wax image, and a great multitude follows. Thus, the community solemnly buries its Christ as if he had just died. At last the waxen image is again deposited in the church, and the same lugubrious chants echo anew.”

    “These lamentations, accompanied by a strict fast, continue till midnight on Saturday. As the clock strikes twelve, the bishop appears and announces the glad tidings that ‘Christ is risen,’ to which the crowd replies, ‘He is risen indeed’ . . . in the same hour people plunge from the extremity of the fast into the enjoyment of the Easter lamb and neat wine’” (Ibid., p. 401).

    “This kind of vain and idolatrous mockery of the true death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is an example of how far paganism has penetrated Christianity. Only the names were changed, not the religion. Yet, this pagan, Christian, Babylonian religion with some variations has been embraced as the universal Christianity by the world—Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant. They all observe Easter, which was previously a pagan day of worship and celebration in commemoration of false gods. ”

    The Myth and Ritual of Attis

    “Another of those gods whose supposed death and resurrection struck such deep roots into the faith and ritual of Western Asia is Attis. He was to Phrygia what Adonis was to Syria . . . Attis was said to have been a fair young shepherd or herdsman beloved by Cybele, the Mother of the Gods, a great Asiatic goddess of fertility, who had her chief home in Phrygia. Some held that Attis was her son. His birth, like that of many other heroes, is said to have been miraculous” (Ibid., p. 407).

    “The mother and son pagan counterfeit religion along with its rites and worship system was deeply entrenched within ancient historical tradition as the established religion. People everywhere in the civilized world believed this was the way to worship God.”

    God’s Teachings Concerning Pagan Practices

    “Take heed to yourself that you be not snared by following them . . . and that you inquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so I will do likewise. You shall not do to the Lord your God: for every abomination to the Lord, which he hates, have they done to their gods . . .What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: you shall not add thereto, nor diminish from it” (Deut.12:30-32).

    “The New Testament God commands the Gentiles to REPENT, to turn from, and to renounce such paganism. When the apostle Paul and Barnabas preached to the Gentiles who practiced the religion of Diana, Adonis, Attis, and Jupiter, their message was not acceptance and union of these religions with true Christianity.”

    “Sirs, why do you these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach to you that you should turn from these vanities to the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein: Who in times past allowed the nations to walk in their own ways . . .And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to REPENT!” (Acts 14:15-16; 17:30).

    “The Bible shows that the New Testament church opposed the pagan religious practices and the blending of these pagan practices with the worship of the true God.”

    “But I say, the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons, and not to God: and I would not that you should have fellowship with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. . .” (1 Cor.10:20-21).

    “God has never given his church any authority to accept and assimilate pagan religious practices as a means of worshiping him. Any person, organization, or church which does this, rejects the word of God and teaches doctrines that are contrary to the word of God. Therefore, anyone who teaches and preaches such practices is teaching a false savior, and a counterfeit Christianity.”

    Catholic Admissions and Practices

    “The Catholic church has always used its power and authority to enforce the acceptance of teachings that are contrary to the Biblical teachings.”

    “In like manner the Catholic Church has been accustomed to bring before its followers in a visible form the death and resurrection of the Redeemer . . . When we reflect how often the Church has skillfully contrived to plant the seeds of the new faith on the stock of paganism, we may surmise that the Easter celebration of the dead and risen Christ was grafted upon the similar celebration of the dead and risen Adonis . . .” (The Golden Bough, p. 401 The Golden Bough, Sir James George Frazer).

    “To conciliate the Pagans to nominal Christianity, Rome, pursuing its usual policy, took measures to get the Christian and Pagan festivals amalgamated, and, by a complicated but skillful adjustment of the calendar, it was found no difficult matter, in general, to get Paganism and Christianity—now far sunk in idolatry—in this as in so many other areas, to shake hands” (The Two Babylons, Alexander Hislop, p. 105).

    “Taken altogether, the coincidences of the Christian with the heathen festivals are too close and too numerous to be accidental. They mark the compromise which the [Catholic] Church in the hour of its triumph was compelled to make with its vanquished yet still dangerous rivals. The inflexible Protestantism of the primitive missionaries, with their fiery denunciations of heathendom, had been exchanged for the supple policy, the easy tolerance, the comprehensive charity of shrewd ecclesiastics, who clearly perceived that if Christianity was to conquer the world it could do so only by relaxing the too rigid principles of its Founder, by widening a little the narrow gate which leads to salvation” (The Golden Bough, p. 419).

    “Granting the practice of pagan beliefs in direct opposition to the clear commandments of God has always been the policy of the Catholic Church.”

    “In the history of the Church we find that she often christened pagan festivals, making use of dates and ceremonies, and endowing them with an entirely new and Christian significance” (My Catholic Faith, p. 416, Louis LaRavoire Morrow).

    “Today the entire of Christendom celebrates Easter Sunday in memory of the Resurrection. It is the Feast of feasts . . . Easter is celebrated on the first Sunday following the first full moon of spring; the feast is moveable, and can fall between March 22 and April 25” (Ibed., p.81).

    “This variance in the date of Easter was devised to more closely counterfeit the dates of the true Christian Passover and make it easier to replace the Passover with Easter. Also, the observance of the Passover ceremony, as commanded be Jesus Christ himself, was substituted with the Catholic holy eucharist (communion), which is of pagan derivation, by edict of the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D.”

    “Attendance and taking of the Mass on Easter Sunday is obligatory for all Catholics. Even though the leaders of the Catholic Church have the Holy Bible and claim to teach it, they insist that “under pain of grievous sin” all are to observe this holiday. However, God Almighty commands Christians not to observe such feasts.”

    “We are obligated to receive Holy Communion during Easter time each year . . .The Church enforces this command by requiring us under pain of grievous sin to communicate [take communion] at least at Easter time” (My Catholic Faith, Louis LaRavoire Morrow, p.311).

    God’s Indictment and Condemnation of Pagan Practices

    “Throughout the Bible, God shows that he has never allowed his people to worship him by means of pagan ceremonies and rituals. In the Old Testament, the children of Israel cut themselves off from God whenever they left the true worship of God. Today, the same spiritual principle applies for the elect of God who are to worship God the Father in spirit and truth (Jn.4:23-24). If, as Jesus Christ commands, the elect of God worship him in spirit and truth and are sanctified by the truth, which is God’s word (Jn.15:16;17:17), why would God accept any pagan form of worship?”

    “The apostle Peter wrote to true Christians and strongly condemned pagan practices and false prophets:”

    “For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were EYEWITNESSES of his majesty . . . But there were false prophets, also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious way; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of ” (2.Pet.1:16; 2:1-2).

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    millertheanunnaki

    @ Zoe | February 21, 2012 at 10:07 AM |:

    “Easter, Halloween, and Christmas observances are among the most commonly observed religious and secular holidays (a word perverted from Holy Days) that many people believe are a part of the worship system of the God; however, basic research into the origin of these holidays shows them to be unacceptable to God the Father and Jesus Christ.”
    “Anyone who wishes to worship the true God and his Son correctly should understand the seriousness of celebrating these religious and secular holidays, because their origin and practice involved fertility rites, sexual licentiousness, and the worship of false gods as the central focus of their celebration.”

    So Zoe, are you saying that that all of those so-called Christians in Barbados who go to church and observed these days are pagans and Satan worshipers?
    No long diatribe, please! Yes or No will do?

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    millertheanunnaki

    Zoe in the garden hiding , hiding, hiding from the Truth!
    Zoe where art thou?
    Come forth my dear Zoe, naked and all!
    Tell us if you believe that the vast majority of Bajan church-goers are pagans and devil worshipers?

  8. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Nnaki/Ralian, I DO NOT march/dance to your pythonated, REPTILIAN infested mindset beat; nor do I give YES/NO answers to extremely complex matters such as this, so GO and take a laxative which you obviously need, to digest that JACKASS you swallowed in your pythonated gut!

  9. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Almighty God, IS always looking at, and dealing with, the individual’s HEART, intent, desires, regarding Him, and His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, and the historic, spiritual significance of Jesus’ substituionary, Atoning DEATH, which PAID the Holy, Righteous, PRICE for the forgiveness and Redemption of our SINS, Paid in full; AND His glorious Resurrection from the dead, for our Justification, declared NOT guilty!

    Therefore, only the Lord of ALL Glory, can judge the hearts of every individual, who celebrate His Crucifixon and Death, ( Good Friday) and His majestic, ALL conquering RESURRECTION from the dead, (Easter Sunday) as to whether they are sincerely, in deep and abiding honor and love for HIM* the King of ALL Glory, doing this with a pure and honest heart, and NOT in anyway, connecting this with any subtle Pagan festivals and celebrations, to utterly FALSE and deceptive Demonic deities, who NEVER existed in the first place, as was practiced IN ancient pagan religions.

    “Good Friday commemorates the crucifixion and death of Christ. Many churches conduct quiet services from noon until three (called Tre Ore, or “Three Hours”), focusing on the events of the crucifixion and the words of Christ from the cross. In some churches (most notably the Eastern Orthodox), the altar itself and the encased representation of Christ’s burial, called the epitaphion, are covered in black cloth. (Often the Eastern Orthodox churches do this on Holy Thursday instead.) Many Good Friday services conclude with draping the altar cross with black cloth, extinguishing all sanctuary lights (except the eternal flame signifying the Holy Spirit), ceasing all music, and having the congregation exit without speaking to symbolize the imminent (commemoration of the) death of Christ. Some churches refrain from communion until Resurrection Sunday, others don’t. As early as the second century A.D., Christians commonly celebrated each Friday in commemoration of the crucifixion, with fasting or other penance as its most notable feature.”

    Easter

    “Easter is an English corruption from the proto-Germanic root word meaning “to rise.” (We see this in the contemporary German cognate “öst-” and the English cognate “east,” the direction from which the sun rises in the morning.) It refers not only to Christ rising from the dead, but also to his ascension to heaven and to our future rising with him at his Second Coming for final judgment. It is not true that it derives from the pagan Germanic goddess Oestar or from the Babylonian goddess Ishtar — both fertility symbols signifying the coming of spring images of fertility, new life, and renewal. A corruption of Ishtar is found in the Bible as the name of the heroic Jewish woman, Esther, who risked her own life to save the lives of her people. Many Christians prefer to use the designation “the Resurrection of our Lord,” “Sunday of the Resurrection,” or even Pasch or Paschal Sunday (“the Sunday of our Passover Lamb Sacrifice”).”

    “The first Easter occurred on the first day of the week after the Passover Sabbath. The first day of the week became the Christian’s “sabbath rest” (Heb. 4:1-11), the time of weekly Christian celebration of the resurrection. Annually, the Lord’s Day immediately subsequent to the Jewish Passover was a day of special resurrection celebration. Today Easter is celebrated at different times depending on whether one is a Western Christian (Roman Catholic, Protestant, and Anglican) or an Eastern Christian (Eastern Orthodoxy) because the West uses the revised Gregorian calendar and the East uses the older Julian calendar.”

    “Early Christians consulted local rabbis to determine the date of Passover each year, which would correspond to Holy Week. Passover was determined by the lunar configurations of the latitude in which the Jewish community resided. There was no Jewish authority at Jerusalem to determine a uniform date after the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in A.D. 70. In communities with no Jewish presence, Christians found it even more difficult to determine the date. Once the churches became unified in the fourth century, the date was more consistent until the West’s adoption of the revised Gregorian calendar in the sixteenth century.”

    “Most of the popular associations with Easter come from pagan traditions rather than Christian. However, traditionally the church has taken these pagan elements and “converted” them to convey Christian principles. For example, the egg is a common pagan sign of fertility and good luck. In Christian tradition, the egg is often used as an analogy to the trinity, and to signify the resurrection life promised us by Christ’s resurrection (1 Cor. 15:37-38). Butterflies are indicators of spring, and therefore new life, but Christians often used the butterfly as a symbol of the resurrection. Just as the caterpillar “dies,” is “buried” in his cocoon, and then emerges in a “new body” somehow made from the old body and with “new life,” so Jesus died, was buried, and was resurrected and we who belong to Him will be also (Rom. 8:11). Hiding Easter eggs once symbolized the mysteries of the world of the gods and goddesses, who had to be coaxed into returning life to the earth in spring. Christians used hiding-and-finding as a teaching tool to children that we have been “hidden” from God’s loving presence by our sin, but we are “found” by Christ, who forgives us, loves us, and treasures us (Luke 15:4-7). It can also signify the diligence with which we are to seek the kingdom of God and our joy in finding it (Matt. 13:44-46). Lambs are fertility symbols and indicators of spring in paganism, but in Christianity we remember that we are His sheep (Ps. 23:1-2; John 10:1-16; Matt. 26:31-34; Acts 20:28) and He is our Shepherd (Is. 40:10-11; John 10:11-14; 2 Pet. 5:4; Heb. 13:20; Matt. 25:31-46). Additionally, Christ is the Passover Lamb (Ex. 12:5), the One sacrifice Who cleanses all from sin by His blood (Is. 53:7; John 1:29; Acts 8:32-25; 1 Pet. 1:19; Rev. 5:6-13; 7:13-14; 15:3).”

    “Historically, the celebration of Our Lord’s Resurrection is a time of joy, hymns, celebration, and light. Many churches use bright colors to decorate the sanctuary and the altar, traditionally white and gold. White represents purity and the resurrection, gold symbolizes triumph. Many churches add trumpets to their instrumental music on this day to signify the trumpet of victory after battle and the trumpet “calling” people out of death. Many people use flowers to signify resurrection life, the lily being the most popular because of its long association with spring and the white of salvation. (Confidence in the resurrection is also the historical significance of flowers, especially lilies, at funerals.) Some churches conclude their Easter services with a congregational feast, commemorating the marriage feast of God with His people made possible through Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection. Most churches repeat the proclamation taken from the gospels and standard from the early second century of the church:”

    He is Risen!
    He is Risen indeed! And coming soon again, IN* His Glorious Majesty and Omnipotent Power, for ALL to see!

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    millertheanunnaki

    @ Zoe | February 21, 2012 at 7:49 PM |
    Thanks for the medical advice. I have done just that so there is no crap in me.
    But your god knows everything in your forgiving heart, so be careful Christian fellow, you might end up like Saul on his way to Damascus blinded by the Sun.

    “Today Easter is celebrated at different times depending on whether one is a Western Christian (Roman Catholic, Protestant, and Anglican) or an Eastern Christian (Eastern Orthodoxy) because the West uses the revised Gregorian calendar and the East uses the older Julian calendar.”

    Christians in Barbados celebrate Easter based on the cycle of the moon in relation to the Vernal Equinox; nothing to do with the actual day Jesus arose from the dead. It goes like this, Zoe: Easter must always fall on the first “SUNDAY” after the First Full Moon after the Vernal or Spring Equinox (March 20/21).
    So you check it for this coming Easter: First full Moon after March 20 is Friday April 6- same as Good Friday. So Easter MUST fall on the immediate next SUNDAY (Day of Mankind’s (pagan) God) on April 8. Check last year and the year before for some interesting extremes due to the lunar cycle.
    Gee, Zoe! So hardheaded, you are! It’s the SUN, stupid! It’s frying your brain cells!

  11. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Nnaki/Railian, et al idolatrous worshippers of Almighty God’s CREATED sun,

    “For since the CREATION of the world HIS invisible attributes are CLEARLY SEEN, being understood BY the things that are MADE, even HIS Eternal POWER and Godhead, so that they (Nnaki/Railian et al) are WITHOUT EXCUSE. Because, although they knew God, they did NOT glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became FUTILE ( empty, vain, perverted logic and IDOLATROUS presumption) in their thoughts, and their FOOLISH hearts were DARKENED.”

    “Professing to be wise, they became FOOLS.” (Rom. 1:20-22) Emphasis added.

    You are a FOOL Nnaki/Railian!

    Sun Worship

    “THE pre-eminence of the Sun, as the fountain-head of life and man’s well-being, must have rendered it at a date almost contemporaneous with the birth of the race, the chief object of man’s worship.”

    “It was,” says Karnes, 1 “of all the different objects of idolatry the most excusable, for upon the sun depend health, vigour, and cheerfulness, and during its retirement all is dark and disconsolate.” Hence, as we shall see, the chief masculine deity of every nation which was the chief object of their IDOLATROUS WORSHIP is in every case to be identified with the sun.”

    “The Abbé Banier wrote in like vein: 2 “Nothing was more capable of SEDUCING men than the Heavenly Bodies, and the sun especially. Its beauty, the bright splendour of his beams, the rapidity of his course, exultavit ut Gigus ad currendam viam,p. 142.”

    “Its regularity in enlightening the whole earth by turns, and in diffusing Light and Fertility all around, essential characters of the Divinity who is Himself the light and source of everything that exists, all these were but too capable of impressing the GROSS minds of men with a belief that there was no other god but the sun, and that this splendid luminary was the throne of the Divinity. god had fixed his habitation in the heavens, and they saw nothing that bore more marks of Divinity than the sun.” In the words of Diodorus Siculus: “Men in earlier times struck with the beauty of the Universe, with the splendour and regularity which everywhere were in evidence, made no doubt that there was some Divinity who therein presided, and they adored the sun as expressing the likeness of the Deity.”

    “The worship of the sun was inevitable, and its deification was the source of ALL IDOLATRY in every part of the world. It was sunrise that inspired the first prayers uttered by man, calling him to acts of devotion, bidding him raise an altar and kindle sacrificial flames.”

    “Before the Sun’s all-glorious shrine the first men knelt and raised their voices in praise and supplication, fully confirmed in the belief that their prayers were heard and answered.”

    Nothing proves so much the antiquity of solarp. 143
    idolatry as the care Moses took to prohibit it.

    “Take care,” said he to the Israelites, “lest when you lift up your eyes to Heaven and see the sun, the moon, and all the stars, you be SEDUCED and drawn away to pay worship and adoration to the CREATURES which the Lord your God has MADE for the service of all the nations under Heaven.”

    “Then we have the mention of Josiah taking away the horses that the king of Judah had given to the sun, and burning the chariot of the sun with fire. These references agree perfectly with the recognition in Palmyra of the Lord Sun, Baal Shemesh, and with the identification of the Assyrian Bel, and the Tyrian Baal with the sun.”

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    millertheanunnaki

    Zoe | February 22, 2012 at 8:40 AM |
    “You are a FOOL Nnaki/Railian!”

    You have not debunked my explanation about Easter and its astronomical determination. But ,be that as it may, if you know that your God made the SUN then who Made you god or gods?

    Yes go ahead and say that your god was always here and he made himself along wit his son Jesus (no females involved here).
    I can also argue that life on Earth exist only as long as the Sun (our source of light and life) is around.
    But we want to hear from you on other topics other than religious hogwash.
    Write about the extra-terrestrials permeating the Bible or the CLICO scam.

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    Zoe

    If God Created Everything, Who Created God?
    by Rich Deem

    IntroductionHow did God get here?

    “Richard Dawkins, among other atheists, thinks he has the ultimate proof that God doesn’t exist. If God created a complex universe, wouldn’t it take an even more complex entity to have created God? However, such logic assumes that time has always existed, rather than being merely a construct of this universe.”

    “Who created God? It is an age-old question that has plagued all those who like to think about the big questions. Having grown up as an agnostic non-Christian, it provided me with a potential reason why there might not be any god. Various religions tend to solve the problem in different ways. The LDS church (Mormonism) says that the God (Elohim) to whom we are accountable had a father god, then grew up on a planet as a man, and progressed to become a god himself. Many other religions have claimed that gods beget other gods. Of course the problem with this idea is how did the first god get here? This problem of infinite regression invalidates such religions. Christianity claims that God has always existed. Is this idea even possible? Does science address such issues?”

    “Christianity answers the question of who made God in the very first verse of the very first book, Genesis:”

    “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1:1)

    “This verse tells us that God was acting before time when He created the universe. Many other verses from the New Testament tell us that God was acting before time began, and so, He created time, along with the other dimensions of our universe:”

    •No, we speak of God’s secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. (1 Corinthians 2:7)
    •This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time (2 Timothy 1:9)
    •The hope of eternal life, which God… promised before the beginning of time (Titus 1:2)
    •To the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen. (Jude 1:25)

    “The idea that God created time, along with the physical universe, is not just some wacky modern Christian interpretation of the Bible. Justin Martyr, a second century Christian apologist, in his Hortatory Address to the Greeks, said that Plato got the idea that time was created along with the universe from Moses:

    “And from what source did Plato draw the information that time was created along with the heavens? For he wrote thus: ‘Time, accordingly, was created along with the heavens; in order that, coming into being together, they might also be together dissolved, if ever their dissolution should take place.’ Had he not learned this from the divine history of Moses?”1

    “God exists in timeless eternity. How does God acting before time began get around the problem of God’s creation? There are two possible interpretations of these verses. One is that God exists outside of time. Since we live in a universe of cause and effect, we naturally assume that this is the only way in which any kind of existence can function. However, the premise is false. Without the dimension of time, there is no cause and effect, and all things that could exist in such a realm would have no need of being caused, but would have always existed. Therefore, God has no need of being created, but, in fact, created the time dimension of our universe specifically for a reason – so that cause and effect would exist for us. However, since God created time, cause and effect would never apply to His existence.”

    “God exists in multiple dimensions of time. The second interpretation is that God exists in more than one dimension of time. Things that exist in one dimension of time are restricted to time’s arrow and are confined to cause and effect. However, two dimensions of time form a plane of time, which has no beginning and no end and is not restricted to any single direction. A being that exists in at least two dimensions of time can travel anywhere in time and yet never had a beginning, since a plane of time has no starting point. Either interpretation leads one to the conclusion that God has no need of having been created.”

    “Why can’t the universe be eternal? The idea that God can be eternal leads us to the idea that maybe the universe is eternal, and, therefore, God doesn’t need to exist at all. Actually, this was the prevalent belief of atheists before the observational data of the 20th century strongly refuted the idea that the universe was eternal. This fact presented a big dilemma for atheists, since a non-eternal universe implied that it must have been caused. Genesis 1:1 was correct! Not to be dismayed by the facts, atheists have invented some metaphysical “science” that attempts to explain away the existence of God. Hence, most atheistic cosmologists believe that we see only the visible part of a much larger “multiverse” that randomly spews out universes with different physical parameters.2 Since there is no evidence supporting this idea (nor can there be, according to the laws of the universe), it is really just a substitute “god” for atheists. And, since this “god” is non-intelligent by definition, it requires a complex hypothesis, which would be ruled out if we use Occam’s razor, which states that one should use the simplest logical explanation for any phenomenon. Purposeful intelligent design of the universe makes much more sense, especially based upon what we know about the design of the universe.”

    “What does science say about time? When Stephen Hawking, George Ellis, and Roger Penrose extended the equations for general relativity to include space and time, the results showed that time has a beginning – at the moment of creation (i.e., the Big Bang).3 In fact, if you examine university websites, you will find that many professors make such a claim – that the universe had a beginning and that this beginning marked the beginning of time (see The Universe is Not Eternal, But Had A Beginning). Such assertions support the Bible’s claim that time began at the creation of the universe.”

    “Conclusion God has no need to have been created, since He exists either outside time (where cause and effect do not operate) or within multiple dimensions of time (such that there is no beginning of God’s plane of time). Hence God is ETERNAL, having NEVER been created. Although it is possible that the universe itself is eternal, eliminating the need for its creation, observational evidence contradicts this hypothesis, since the universe began to exist a finite ~13.7 billion years ago. The only possible escape for the atheist is the invention of a kind of super universe, which can never be confirmed experimentally (hence it is metaphysical in nature, and not scientific).

    Si Dios creó Todo, ¿Quién creó a Dios?

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    Related Pages •Why is There Something Instead of Nothing?
    •The Extradimensional Nature of God
    •The Universe is Not Eternal, But Had A Beginning

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    Zoe

    The historic reality of the Jews, ‘Israel’ from way back in the OT, is awesome, no other ethnic group of people worldwide, have had such an unbroken sojourn of, of dispersion, captivity, judgment from God for rebellion and idolatry, AND the final regathering to their ancient home land ‘Israel’ yes, a miracle that occured May, 1948, exactly as the LORD GOD, Almighty promised He would do, surviving against ALL logical odds, from the very beginning of their modern statehood, until today!

    Modern Israel: Greatest miracle ever?
    Published: 2 days ago

    by Joseph Farah

    “If you believe the Bible, as I do, the return of Israel as a nation after 2,000 years is a greater miracle than all that occurred during the Exodus.”

    That’s what God says in Jeremiah 16:14-15:

    “Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;”

    “But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.”

    Think about that.

    “The reformation of the nation of Israel 64 years ago and the ingathering of dispersed Jews from all over the world is a greater miracle than all of the following:”

    •the parting of the Red Sea;
    •the manna from heaven;
    •the water from rocks;
    •the giving of the law on Sinai.

    “I don’t think most Christians and Jews in the 21st century fully appreciate what it means to be witnesses to such an awesome miracle.”

    “Sometimes when we read the Bible we scoff at the blindness of the ancient people to what was happening at the time. But I think we’re just as guilty as they were – if not more so.”

    “The miracle of the ingathering is greater than the miracles of the Exodus. That’s not what I say. That’s what the Lord says. And it’s a miracle we have been privileged to experience firsthand. But that privilege comes with a responsibility – a responsibility to recognize what God is doing and to get behind that mighty work.”

    “Don’t miss Farah’s brand new documentary based on the best-selling book “The Harbinger” — “The Isaiah 9:10 Judgment: Is There An Ancient Mystery That Foretells America’s Future>”

    “We have too many Christians in America today who don’t get that. They are not standing with the children of Israel, our brethren whose covenant we experience and share by virtue of bring grafted in, as Paul explains in the book of Romans.”

    “Christians who don’t appreciate their connection to this miracle are Christians who ultimately don’t appreciate the gift of salvation and the redemption offered to the whole world. They don’t fully appreciate who their Lord and Savior is – why He came and that He’s coming again!”

    They don’t appreciate where He’s coming.

    “He’s not coming to Washington, D.C., to rule the world. He’s coming to Jerusalem.”

    “When and why is He coming? He’s coming at a time when Israel is facing disaster, and He’s coming to save Israel.”

    “Replacement theology is not only a dangerous theology. It is a shallow one – one that tried to render most of the Bible as irrelevant and portray God as a covenant breaker who changes His mind and even His personality.”

    “But today much of the church is confused about who we are as believers and the rich biblical heritage that serves as the foundation for our faith and our hope.”

    “Some Christians aren’t sure our Savior is coming back at all – let alone that He’s coming back to Israel to save it and preserve it.”

    “Some Christians are confused about whether the modern miracle of Israel is truly a manifestation of prophecy at all.”

    “Some Christians even see more connection between their faith and Islam than they do between their faith and Judaism, even though Christianity makes no sense except in the context of the messianic promise from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.”

    “It would behoove all of us as believers to read and study the rich and abundant scriptures dealing with the Second Coming, because I suspect there will be believers unprepared and caught unawares.”

    “Many people missed His first coming because they were looking for a conquering king. I suspect many Christians will not recognize the conquering king when He returns because they will be looking instead for the suffering servant.”

    What is Yeshua going to do when He returns?

    “The Bible tells us He’s going to mete out justice. His garments are going to be stained in blood. He’s going to destroy nations. He’s going to enforce His will with a rod of iron.”

    Are we prepared for that Yeshua?

    “He’s going to judge individuals and nations, as we learn in Matthew 25. The nations will be divided into sheep nations and goat nations largely on the basis of how they treated His precious Israel.”

    “He will bless those that bless thee and curse those that curse thee.”

    “Our Christian faith – and our very redemption – is constructed on a foundation of promise by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Without an understanding and appreciation of that connection, our faith doesn’t even make sense. Our savior did not just spring up spontaneously one day in Bethlehem 2,000 years ago without expectation. He came as the long-awaited Jewish messiah, the King of the Jews, out of the line of David, and He will eventually rule on David’s throne for 1,000 years in the future.”

    “By the way, He didn’t come to start a new religion called Christianity. He came to fulfill the law and the prophets and offer Jews and non-Jews alike salvation.”

    “If you believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God, you will also acknowledge that when He returns you and I and other believers are going to be keeping the Sabbath and observing the Feast of Tabernacles. We will be visiting Jerusalem regularly – and if we don’t we won’t get any rain. I think some Christians are going to be shocked at just how Israeli-centric our life will be in the millennial kingdom.”

    “How many Christians in America today really understand just how Jewish our Savior and our God really is? He won’t be eating ham sandwiches at the church potluck.”

    How many of us will recognize Him when He returns?

  15. David Avatar
    David

    @Zoe

    Don’t you think you would add value to this topic if you debunked/clarified issues raised in the video?

  16. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Nnaki/Railian, You got the CART before the HORSE, in this ill-perceived
    statement!

    “I can also argue that life on Earth exist only as long as the Sun (our source of light and life) is around.”

    Nnaki man, the SON of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, Created ALL things, and they ‘consist’ ARE HELD together in the entire Universe by HIM, including the Sun, whose function, as HE intended it, sustains life on earth, etc, etc, it IS* HIM* who sustains the functionalty of the SUN, as JESUS is the LIFE, and LIGHT of this world, NOT the SUN; if Jesus were to release HIS Omnipotent, consisting, SUSTAINING power over ALL created things the entire Universe and all life forms, would GO, PUFF!

    Jesus holds the SUN, that He CREATED, in the palm of His hand, like an ATOM!

    This, Nnaki/Railian, TOO TALL Fuh you to comprehend!

  17. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    @ David, ask?

    “Don’t you think you would add value to this topic if you debunked/clarified issues raised in the video?”

    David, What exactly don’t you understand re, my post of Feb 20, @9:16PM, Feb 21 @ 8:16 AM, and Feb 21, @ 9:09 AM?

    That video is a bunch of nonsense, seeking to establish that these non-canonical ‘other’ gospels reveal other aspects of Jesus life and ministry while on earth.

    Both the interviewer and those pesudo-scholars he talked to, are certainly NOT Christians, they do not have a clue what they are representing?

    All of the spurious gospels were FRADULENTLY written LONG after the close of the 1st century, when the last genuine Book of the NT Canon was sealed on the Isle of Patmos, Jesus Revelation to the Apostle John.

    Secondly, ALL of these OTHER so-called gospels, though they DISHONESTLY purport to have been written by the names of Jesus Apostles, a LIE, they are ALL at direct varience with the sound doctrinal content of the 1st century Apostolic EYEWITNESSES, a terrible, wicked, contradiction to the doctrinal Truth, divinely Inspired by the Genuine, canonical Eyewitnesses.

    This nonse has been debuncked long ago by serious scholarship, this is nothing new; Satan has always tried from the beginning in Genesis, with Eve, to deceive, pervert, and corrupt the Truth of God’s Word.

  18. ac Avatar
    ac

    WHO CREATED GOD! Man that is who created GOD! Look at how many times the bible has been rewritten and translated and who has anything to do with all this is MAN! First there was a “God fearing GOD’ then there is a caring GOD. Then there is a three headed GOD there there is only “ONE GOD” Who else could come up with such confusion in an attempt to define a “GOD”

  19. islandgal246 Avatar
    islandgal246

    AC…….. that is brilliant. If only people will open their eyes. Many prefer to be fooled and many know that they are being fooled but are afraid to admit it. LOLLL Good one there!

    People believe that everyone must accept the Bible’s definition of GOD. What they fail to understand is that we are all individuals and will define GOD differently. The quest for absolute power is total obedience and that is exactly how God men want their followers to be. Without that they will be NOTHING and NOBODIES!

  20. David Avatar
    David

    @Zoe

    The debate will continue long after we are gone.

  21. kiki Avatar
    kiki

    @ Zoe
    Jesus had Gods Spirit, Just like Moses had it for a while. The Spirit of God is in all his vessels.
    and they will sing

  22. harry Avatar
    harry

    http://youtu.be/Y4MnpzG5Sqc

  23. harry Avatar
    harry

    you bajans helping your own people or it look like white men helping you again.and again. but you still got nuff long talk.
    watch the video above and you will see what your people in Africa do.
    any bajans helping????????????????????????/

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    KIM. PAULETTA. A. SMITH

    DEAR. HOSANNA. TENDER. MERCY. AND. GRACE. JESUS. ON. KIM. ANDREA. GERRETT. WITH. YOUR. SUPER. SUPER. SPECAIL. LOVE. FORGIVENESS. TOO BE. LIFTED. UP. AND. OUT. OF. ALL. POVERTY. AND. ALL BONDAGES. ALL THE. DUNGHILLS. AND. JESUS. GOD. SLAINED. ALL. THE. DRAGON. AND. ALL. THE. ENEMY. AND. ALL. SATAN. ENEMY. WE. ARE. TRUSTING. AND. BELIEVEING. IN. ALL. YOUR. WORDS. AND. PROMISES. OF. GOD. FAVAR. MANS. FAVAR. WE. THANK. YOU. LOVE. APPRECAITES. ALL THAT. YOU. HAVE. EVER. DONE. AND. WILL. EVER. DO. IN. THE. ALLPOWERFULL. ALLMIGHTY. ALLHOLYNESS. NAMES. OF. JESUS. THE KIBG. OF. ALL KINGS. AND. START. LIVEING. IN. PEACE. AT. PAID. IN. FULL. A. DREAM. HOME. AT. 7224. ARROWOOD. RD. BETHESFA. MD. GLORY. TOO. GOD. AMEN. AMEN .!!!!!!

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