Submitted by Terence Blackett

 

The Khajuraho Monument

As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will all these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the world?” Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in My Name, claiming that I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains. “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come…”

“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ [as] spoken of through the prophet Daniel – let the reader understand – then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now – and never to be equaled again. “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the Elect those days will be shortened. At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the very Elect. See, I have told you ahead of time…”

“As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man…” Matthew 24:4-26 (New International Version, ©2010)

“As it was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulphur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all. “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed… (Luke 17:28-30 Ibid, ©2010).

Can anyone deny that we are indeed the Matthew chapter 24 generation? At no other time in all of recorded human history has there been a need for a more urgent call to arms. Yet the weapons of our warfare are NOT* guns and bullets but the last bastions of “TRUTH”, Righteousness, Morality and a decision that “If God be God – then serve Him – but if Satan be ‘god’ then serve him”. There can be no sitting on the fence any longer. There is no middle ground or 3rd way!

Clearly this is an “Age” of so-called faith without works; men want freedom without accountability; seeking happiness without holiness; searching for riches without a moral compass of integrity and knocking on the door of “Paradise” but without having soul purity. This is the days of Lot!

In our modern world, men have seen the graphic nature of an exploding nuclear bomb and the horrific devastation it can cause, but who has ever heard of fire and brimstone raining down from the heavens completely annihilating the two cities of Sodom & Gomorrah because of its inhumanity, its treatment of the poor, its licentious perverted sexual appetites and its false economic security caused by affluenza and the need to get rich or DIE* trying. Science can give us natural (if not inhuman) phenomenon but the destruction wrought in the days of Lot was a “supernatural” act of God-like proportion brought to bear upon men because of disobedience and a complete disregard for the Law of God.

One writer puts it so succinctly – “Never did this message apply with greater force than it applies today. More and more the world is setting at naught the claims of God. Men have become bold in transgression. The wickedness of the inhabitants of the world has almost filled up the measure of their iniquity. This earth has almost reached the place where God will permit the destroyer to work his will upon it. The substitution of the laws of men for the Law of God, the exaltation, by merely human authority, of Sunday in place of the Bible Sabbath, is the last act in the drama. When this substitution becomes universal, God will reveal Himself. He will arise in His majesty to shake terribly the earth. He will come out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the world for their iniquity, and the earth shall disclose her blood and shall no more cover her slain.”

Yet with all the warnings, signs, wonders and portents we are witnessing today – men’s hearts are still hardened against the things of God. Let it be clear that God shall act decisively at some point in the near future just as He did in the days of Lot. When earthly rebellion has reached tipping-point; where political leaders in cahoots with religious false prophets do malicious violence to God’s Holy Law by instituting man-made laws and decrees such as laws that redefine marriage and the family; legalize the killing of helpless babies through abortion and infanticide; gives a nod of approval to rampant prostitution through salacious pornography, paedophilia and incest and where the ultimate worship of Sunday is enacted as the law of the land and men both great and small are expected to worship according to the legislation in the land – hence we can see why God uses the tragedy of Lot as a viral resource reminder for us to understand the gravity, parity, polarity and the penalty for devilish transgression.

As we survey a postmodern world in major social, economic and religious upheaval, it is easy to see the correlation between the days of Lot and the days we now live in. We are reminded that “In the last days will come (set in) perilous times of great stress and trouble [hard to deal with and hard to bear]. For people will be lovers of self and [utterly] self-centered, lovers of money and aroused by an inordinate [greedy] desire for wealth, proud and arrogant and contemptuous boasters. They will be abusive (blasphemous, scoffing), disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy and profane. [They will be] without natural [human] affection (callous and inhuman), relentless (admitting of no truce or appeasement); [they will be] slanderers (false accusers, troublemakers), intemperate and loose in morals and conduct, uncontrolled and fierce, haters of good. [They will be] treacherous [betrayers], rash, [and] inflated with self-conceit. [They will be] lovers of sensual pleasures and vain amusements more than and rather than lovers of God. For [although] they hold a form of piety (true religion), they deny and reject and are strangers to the power of it [their conduct belies the genuineness of their profession]. Avoid [all] such people [turn away from them].” 2 Timothy 3:1-5 (Amplified Bible)

Just as in the days of Lot, he escaped the inferno with his wife and two daughters – so we too must do the same. Sadly, Lot’s wife disobeyed the commands given to her and perished as a result. Lot’s wife is representative of that major class of people in the last days who are “almost saved but entirely lost” due to compromise, wanting to do things their own way and really didn’t have a true change of heart.

Rampant sexual perversion, socio-material affluenza compounded by moral and religious breakdown epitomizes the days in which we currently live and just as Sodom was given a long rope – it had to be reeled in. Finally God had heard the prayer requests of Abraham and would not have destroyed the cities of the plain had He been able to find even [10] righteous people there – in the end, their cup of iniquity was full and annihilation and complete destruction was the only just course of action for a God who will only tolerate so much and no more!

So there’s no counter-argument, “For God’s [holy] wrath and indignation are revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who in their wickedness repress and hinder the truth and make it inoperative. For that which is known about God is evident to them and made plain in their inner consciousness, because God [Himself] has shown it to them. For ever since the creation of the world His invisible nature and attributes, that is, His eternal power and divinity, have been made intelligible and clearly discernible in and through the things that have been made (His handiworks).”

“So [men] are without excuse [altogether without any defense or justification], because when they knew and recognized Him as God, they did not honor and glorify Him as God or give Him thanks. But instead they became futile and godless in their thinking [with vain imaginings, foolish reasoning, and stupid speculations] and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools [professing to be smart, they made simpletons of themselves]. And by them the glory and majesty and excellence of the immortal God were exchanged for and represented by images, resembling mortal man and birds and beasts and reptiles.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their [own] hearts to sexual impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves [abandoning them to the degrading power of sin], because they exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, Who is blessed forever! Amen (so be it)…”

For this reason God gave them over and abandoned them to vile affections and degrading passions. For their women exchanged their natural function for an unnatural and abnormal one. And the men also turned from natural relations with women and were set ablaze (burning out, consumed) with lust for one another – men committing shameful acts with men and suffering in their own bodies and personalities the inevitable consequences and penalty of their wrong-doing and going astray, which was [their] fitting retribution.”

“And so, since they did not see fit to acknowledge God or approve of Him or consider Him worth the knowing, God gave them over to a base and condemned mind to do things not proper or decent but loathsome, until they were filled (permeated and saturated) with every kind of unrighteousness, iniquity, grasping and covetous greed, and malice. [They were] full of envy and jealousy, murder, strife, deceit and treachery, ill will and cruel ways. [They were] secret backbiters and gossipers, slanderers, hateful to and hating God, full of insolence, arrogance, [and] boasting; inventors of new forms of evil, disobedient and undutiful to parents. [They were] without understanding, conscienceless and faithless, heartless and loveless [and] merciless. Though they are fully aware of God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them themselves but approve and applaud others who practice them.” Romans 1:18-32 (Amplified Bible)

This is the pathetic state affairs our world finds itself in and if Christ is not the answer – then tell me what is!!!

183 responses to “Almost Saved But Entirely Lost: “As It Was In The ‘Days’ Of Lot” – Rampant Sexual Perversion, Socio-Material Affluenza Compounded By Moral And Religious Breakdown”


  1. Lies and big lies bent on promoting hatred against innocent members of the Jewish religion, and the USA too, by persons above.

    Lying and Islamic/ist (?) Maat, sins of omission and deception, outright untruths. Thaat is wicked.

    To paint “the Jews” as evil, false Jews who control everything??

    Don’t blame the ‘Jews’ when BARBADOS develops your Muslim Brotherhood violent issues and falls apart. Blame will be on you yourselves, the ‘Maat and Terrence Blackett and Technician’ Muslim Brotherhood.

    Your members are on local radio promoting Islam on the call-in shows, your members defend yourselves from attacks on Barbados Freepress, but here on Barbados Underground you are just as badly in the gutter- you turn around, lie and attack us trying to educate Bajans in wrong tings about Jewish people. I am an innocent man, Jewish are peaceful and we do not participate in this war you all are creating. We are at peace with our local Muslim cousins.

    The 2 mouthed thing that some of you are doing here is Hypocrisy. WICKEDNESS. ARE YOU ALL LOCAL?

    It is wrong to say ‘peace’ and to lay the foundations of conflict in this island the way you are becoming accustomed to doing.

    PLEASE TAKE NOTE BARBADOS, we are NOT responsible!

    I will be found on and in my job, not upon the blog, working totally positively for the good of this Island! Don’t care what religion! Don’t care what colour!! Don’t care how much money you got!!! Leave us alone!!!!


  2. Wow…..

    Now I am a member of the Muslim Brotherhood…ROFLMAO!!!

    There goes my Johnnie Walker Black and coconut water……among so many other vices……..bummer!!


  3. @Zoe…….You still haven’t changed my mind about this wicked, corrupt lot. Instead of putting all your eggs in others’ baskets put them into your own. Stop putting so much confidence in man. I met you as ‘someone else’ but now you’ve morphed into Zoe so all is not lost, you might still come full circle and see that your salvation is contingent on YOUR DEEDS ONLY!

    BUT

    I wish you LOVE, not the love that Hopi gives but the LOVE in its purest form and I also wish you PEACE, the PEACE that passeth ALL Understanding. Go into the recesses of your MIND because the MIND IS ALL!


  4. @Zoe: “Halsall, for someone who claims to be a scientist, with a bent on maths, physics and so on, be informed that the dates (years) quoted from the Biblical text, have no bearing on Einstein’s ‘Time is relative’ as we are dealing here with ‘Calender’ periods of time, Deal with it!

    What I find interesting is in the era the Bible was written the number zero was not understood. Let’s not even talk about negative numbers…

    If I have five goats, and you take two away, and someone else takes three away, what am I left with?

    Zero. Seems pretty simple to me.

    And if I had previously promised a third person one of my goats, what am I left with?

    Negative one goats…

    You, Zoe, tell us to believe the Bible without question, and yet it was written without this most basic of mathematical understanding….


  5. Halsall, Your foolish arguments on this ‘zero’ thing, are blatantly distractive, used as a ‘redhering’ which CANNOT dismiss the central focus on the Biblical chronological time line, establishing the fact that working from Daniel’s 360 day (years) chronology, (the study of historical records to establish the DATES of past events) puts Jesus correctly in Jerusalem A.D 32 the ‘Palm Sunday’, His exact ‘time’ entry there!

    Even hostile witness Wiki, states on this matter, that there was NO Zero year, in the chonological calender dating of years, so, your typical redhering distractives, simply will NOT work, in seeking to strawmanize your intent, as the facts are all there, in simple chronology of dates, years, and logical conclusions, which cannot be disputed!

    Your attempt at ‘splitting’ hairs, on this ‘zero’ thing, is stupid, as whether or not in that era, they understood it, is irrelevant to the facts of the matter in hand!


  6. @ Zoe
    So if as you say there was no Zero AD, and Christ entered Jerusalem on Palm SundayAD32, this means he was only 30 years old when crucified.


  7. Hopi, “Stop putting so much confidence in man.”

    Hops, I put no confidence in any man; my confidence, trust, and resolute FAITH, is IN Almighty God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the Almighty Creator, whose historic, divine revelation, as contained in HIS WORD, the Bible, which is forever settled in Heaven, has NEVER FAILED ONCE, in its precise accuracy and fulfillment, of ALL things prophesied and declared therein, NEVER, and will NEVER fail, confirmed by the FACTS and EVIDENCE that simply cannot be refuted, no matter what.

    Secondly, your attempt at paraphrasing the Word’s of Jesus, WHO IS the Only One, that can give any of us His Peace, as He said:

    “Peace I leave with you, My peace I GIVE unto you, NOT as the world gives do I GIVE you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid” ( John 14:27 Emphasis added)

    Hopi, I KNOW that Peace, that only Jesus can give, and IT does pass ALL understanding, as NO religious ritual can give that Peace, as it only comes from knowing the Prince of Peace, Himself as ones personal Saviour and Lord, there is nothing like it!

    No money can buy it, there is NOTHING in the world that can even come close to this Peace that Jesus gives to those who Love Him.

    Thirdly, NO amount of ‘good works’ doing good deeds, can save any ones soul from going to Hell. Why is this so?

    “For by GRACE you have been saved through FAITH, and that NOT of yourselves: (Why not? Because) It IS the gift of God, NOT of works ( good deed etc) lest any one should boast.” (Eph. 2: 8,9 Emphasis added)

    All other religions, are ‘works’ good deeds oriented, man’s futile attempts at trying to reach God through humanistic/religious efforts, a complete waste of time, as we have nothing to offer God to satisfy His Holy, Just, requirements, in order to be Redeemed from our sinful condition; this is WHY He had to initiate our Salvation, and this He DID, by sending His Son, Jesus Christ, who took our place, bore our SINS, He became our substitute, and PAID IN FULL, the penalty we ALL deserve in Hell, so that, If, we sincerely Repent, and by faith, accept and receive Him into our arts and lives, He gives us His ‘Peace’ that passes ALL understanding, and the Gift of Eternal Life with Him in Heaven when we depart this earthly sojourn.

    The biggest LIE that Satan has fostered on mankind, is that we can work for ur salvation, by good works and deeds, a LIE from the pit of hell.

    However, once one is Saved, justified, redeemed through the Only Saviour there is, Jesus Christ, THEN, go and do ‘good works’ and good deeds, if, one is trying to earn salvation doing by good works, apart from being Saved through Jesus, it is like ‘putting the cart before the horse’ to pull it, can’t work, won’t work!


  8. So, will Zoe lead us in song? ‘Onward Christian Soldiers, marching as to war…’

    What is the next bar?

    ‘To secure our oil reserves’…oops

    That wrong…right?

    ‘with the cross…’there we go.

    What a world. In centuries mankind has not changed, still full of greed, nutters, haters, bigots.

    But, who am I to judge, I can only count for myself and take responsibility for myself.


  9. Crusoe,

    “What is the next bar?”

    “To secure our oil reserves…oop”

    “That wrong-right?”

    My friend, continue with your jocular jesting, and facetious joking, instead of worrying about you salvation, continue focusing on secular things, and see where it will get you,

    “For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, (i.e., oil, gold, wealth, etc)and LOSES his own soul. Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?” (Mark 8:36, 37)

    Hear Jesus yet again:

    “Do NOT lay up for yourselves treasures on EARTH where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal: but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do NOT break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.” (Matthew 6:19-21 Emphasis added)

    What more glaring example do we have RIGHT NOW, before us, with the Middle East crisis, Mubarak lived like a royal King, HOARDING vast sums of BILLIONS of $$$, yet, he had to RUN away, look at Gaddafi, another tyrrant, whose wealth is untold, today he is fighting like a crab, and the story goes on; look at Berie Mad-OFF, another crab, who now exist like a dog, and the list goes on, and it knows no colour, Arabs, Jews, Europeans, whites, blacks et al, when the Great Depression hit the world in the 1930s, the mega-rich, many of them, who had no time for Jesus, committed suicide, all of their wealth, was gone in a flash, hopelessly, they died in utter dispair.

    Hear God’s word, again:

    “Come now, you RICH, weep and HOWL for your MISERIES that are coming upon you. Your riches are CORRUPTED, and your garments are moth-eaten. Your GOLD and SILVER are CORRODED, and their corosion will be a WITNESS against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have heaped up TREASURE in the last day….you have lived on earth in pleasure and luxury, you have fattened your hearts as in a day of slaughter.” (James 5: 1-5 Emphasis added)

    “Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members? You LUST and do NOT hav. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the worl (system) IS enmity with God. Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.” (James 4: 1-4)

    There are also, many poor people who are Godless and wicked as well, poverity does not mean, that a man/woman is right with God because they are poor!

    Also, they are Rich and Poor, who love the Lord, riches in itself is not evil, it is what one does with their wealth, that matters to God, and they are poor people who Love and trust the Lord, and He lloks after them as well.

    Money is not evil in itself, it is the LOVE and LUST, GREED, of IT, that corrups.

    “For the LOVE of money IS the ROOT of all kinds of EVIL, for some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and have PIERCED themselves through with many sorrows.” (I Timothy 6: 10 Emphasis added)

    Let him who has an ear, hear!


  10. Please…..Zoe..spare us!!

    My question is simple, do you enjoy any of the things of this world?
    Like nice suits, clothes, a nice house etc.
    I can hardly picture you living of the land dressed like how Moses was portrayed, having nothing to do with the things of this world, just going around preaching while awaiting the 2nd coming.


  11. The quotation from the beginning of this thread, taken from Matthew, who Zoe claims was an eyewitness to all that he wrote, proclaims that the disciples went up to Jesus privately, does that mean that they let Matthew in amongst them to witness this conversation and record it, or was Matthew told of this conversation which he wrote about 60 or 70 years later?

    Again I ask Zoe where were those writers who witnessed the last supper. They tell us that the disciples were gathered together with Jesus.

    They do not mention each other as witnesses and scribes. For instance Matthew does not mention John being there or vica versa, Mark does not mention Luke at any of the events that they supposedly witnessed; Moses gives no indication on where he was hiding in the Garden of Eden to describe all that he wrote about, and at that time only Adam and Eve were around, right?.

    Some of us need to take the log out of our eyes before we try to encourage others towards salvation.

    Peace


  12. @Zoe ‘My friend, continue with your jocular jesting, and facetious joking, instead of worrying about you salvation, continue focusing on secular things, and see where it will get you”

    Just because I speak of the intricacies of politics and economics and the implications therein of current powerplay in the Middle East, does not mean that I do not have my own view of spirituality and (in my own belief) my own view of what you term as ‘salvation’.

    How DARE you preusume to put yourself as judge and jury towards others, indeed was this not a prime teaching of the prophet and teacher Jesus of Nazareth?

    Your zealotish belief that your and only your beliefs are accruate and correct is not only presumptious, but ludicrous and based on NOTHING other than faith itself, which is fine per se.

    BUT, admit it instead of quoting writings, which are opinions in of themselves by various equally zealotish individuals.

    Bear in mind that thus far I have been very civil, yet you choose to ridicule, whomever you decide bears any viewpoint other than your own tunnel vision.

    I will now revert to the real issue in the Middle East, which is OIL.

    If ever oil became irrelevant, there would be no more issues in the Middle East, indeed every (note the word every) country in that region would instantly lose any international political relevance.

    The fact is, that the current power play has its roots in the oil needs of the world and the necessity of ensuring that supply is uninterrupted.

    Nothing else.

    And please, do now come now with the ‘oh solo mio’ crap that you have used thus far, that you are scorned and ridiculed, for then remember to use your own advice before you attempt to fester your extreme ideas upon others.


  13. @Zoe: “Halsall, Your foolish arguments on this ‘zero’ thing, are blatantly distractive, used as a ‘redhering’ which CANNOT dismiss the central focus on the Biblical chronological time line, establishing the fact that working from Daniel’s 360 day (years) chronology, (the study of historical records to establish the DATES of past events)

    Earth calling Zoe. Please come in Zoe.

    Please forgive me for pointing out that 2000 years ago our instruments, our measurements, and our understanding, were not a good as they are now today.

    For example, we now know that the earth revolves around the Sun (not the son) approximately once every 365.256363 days (read: revolutions of the earth). Not every 360.000000 days.

    This is why we have leap years (with special cases (such that the year 2000 was a leap year, while 1900 wasn’t and 2100 won’t be) and leap seconds…).

    There is an entire scientific discipline dealing with the accurate measurement of time and any “time math” required.

    Interestingly, this discipline understands the number zero…

    @Zoe: “Even hostile witness Wiki, states on this matter, that there was NO Zero year, in the chonological calender dating of years, so, your typical redhering distractives, simply will NOT work, in seeking to strawmanize your intent, as the facts are all there, in simple chronology of dates, years, and logical conclusions, which cannot be disputed!

    You misunderstand (as usual).

    I agree that there was no “year Zero” in the Bible.

    This is exactly my point.

    To say again, why should we trust a document written when even the most basic of numbers — zero — wasn’t understood?


  14. Crusoe, “How DARE you presume to put youself as judge and jury towards others, indeed was this not a prime teaching of the prophet and teacher Jesus of Nazareth?”

    FYI, I stand upon the Great Commission of the Lord Jesus Christ, and His Word, the Bible, NOT my own, I can judge no one, but rest assured HE will, and His Word, I therefore, proceed upon His command to His disciples, TO:

    “Go into ALL the world and PREACH the Gospel to EVERY creatue. He who BELIEVES and is baptized will be saved, but he who DOES NOT believe will be condemned.” ( Mark 16: 15, 16 Emphasis added.

    If that offends you, tuff, you are entirely free to believe whatever non-historical, unsubstantiated, mystical, abstract nonsense you pull out of a ‘hat’ like hot-air, but, this will never stop or prevent me, from declaring the truth of His Word, which HAS and continues to transform multiplied millions around the world every year, with living, real, testimonials.

    Nothing that man can do, will stop the devastating erruption presently taking place in the Middle East, and its consequent fall-out, over the world, so continue to try and ‘secure’ what is simply not securable.

    Where are you going to run and hide, when the reality further its home, in where ever you live? Which false ‘demon’ god are you going to call on then?


  15. @Zoe: “Where are you going to run and hide, when the reality further its home, in where ever you live? Which false ‘demon’ god are you going to call on then?

    I do notice, with interest, that you have quoted a great deal, but have not answered my direct questions…

    Hmmmm….


  16. Halsall, “…the entire scientific discipline dealing with accurate measurements of time…” etc, while I understand this point, it STILL remains irrevelant to the facts re the Biblical data, all of which are taken into account by leap years, etc, in arriving at the truth.

    Further, as already stated, whether or not, Daniel et al knew about Zero year, is simply not the point, it is a non sequiter, a scientific ‘redhering’ thrown into the facts, to distract from the truth of the math, which is sound and sccurate, regardless of ‘Zero’ year.

    Its like one man using centimetres to measure something, while another uses inches, at the end of the day, it matters not whether centimeters or inches are used, as long as the final computation is correct and accurate; and this IS so with the Biblical data.

    Deal with man, and stop your scientific jargonized ‘redhering’ nonsense!


  17. @Zoe: “Further, as already stated, whether or not, Daniel et al knew about Zero year, is simply not the point, it is a non sequiter, a scientific ‘redhering’ thrown into the facts, to distract from the truth of the math, which is sound and sccurate, regardless of ‘Zero’ year.

    OK… Let’s play this further…

    When the Bible was written, was it believed the Earth orbited around the sun?

    Or was it believed that the Earth was the centre of the Universe?

    (A great man was put in jail for daring to argue the former…)


  18. @Zoe ”FYI, I stand upon the Great Commission of the Lord Jesus Christ, and His Word’


    Bullshit. the Bible was written by men and hence, corrupt and an abridged version of history, to suit the needs of a select few. Or will we accept that anything written eons ago is unfiltered and ‘clean’, in which case, soo too is the Qu’ran.

    Zoe- Which false ‘demon’ god are you going to call on then.

    I don’t have a false demon, only God.

    You Bible toting screamers don’t have sole rights to God , and if that offends you ‘tuff’ , as you say. You also are free to believe whatever ‘you are entirely free to believe whatever abridged-historical, unsubstantiated, mystical, abstract nonsense’ that you wish also.

    But the problem is that you Bible-thumpers and your kin the Qu-ran-thumpers are going to go head to head and kill us all, fruitcakes.

    Bunch of nutters.

    And if you dont like that …tuff.


  19. Zoe states….
    “Go into ALL the world and PREACH the Gospel to EVERY creature. He who BELIEVES and is baptized will be saved, but he who DOES NOT believe will be condemned.” ( Mark 16: 15, 16 Emphasis added.

    Zoe goes on to say……
    ….”If that offends you, tuff, you are entirely free to believe whatever non-historical, unsubstantiated, mystical, abstract nonsense you pull out of a ‘hat’ like hot-air, but, this will never stop or prevent me, from declaring the truth of His Word”…………

    Yet still it is also written in Matthew 10, these instructions from Christ……

    “If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet”………..

    Then why in Gods name does Zoe still persist to the point of insulting others, to shove his beliefs down their throats, contrary to the instructions given?


  20. @Jack Spratte ‘jack spratt | February 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM | Why are religions so obsessed with sex and the “end ” of the world?’

    One possible, is that because both have to do with second coming?


  21. Sorry, Luficer made me do that.


  22. Anyway, enough blog entertainment for the night. Have a nice night all. Including Zoe….even if the second coming don’t happen tonight. Lol


  23. Crusoe et al, I’ve posted this many times before, and, I’ll say it again, as it is principled on Logical absolutes, which guide us to ‘think’ ‘reason’ critically, objectively, and coherently, on any given subject matter.

    In assessing any religious ‘worldview’ it is necessary to adhere and follow these logical rules and principles.

    1. Reason, (that is the ability to think rationally), IS necessary for revelation, (historic facts, evidence) to be coherently understood.

    FACT: The only document of antiquity, book, that gives and states with unparalelled wisdom, and knowledge, confirmed by historic veracity, the Origin, Morality, Purpose, and ultimate Destiny of mankind IS, the Bible, the Word of God.

    It IS the most read and beloved Book of all time!

    2. The structure of justification, IN defending any propositional ‘Truth Claim’ IS coherence, as coherence IS our sole criteria for TRUTH.

    FACT: The Only ancient document, book, that passes this test, criteria, overwhelmimgly , unparalelled with any other religious book, is the Bible, God’s Word.

    Its revelation, proclamations, and prophetic declarations, are ALL confirmed by:

    Logical Consistency
    Empirical Adequacy, and
    Experiential relevancy,

    Unlike any other religious book, ever!

    The blowhard scoffers, critics, and uninformed nit-wits, here and elsewher, offer NO substance, essence, whatsoever, NIL- ZERO ignorance, in their attack, denial, and idiotic folly, on God’s Word, the Bible, they only utter baseless, voidless, childlike, HOGWASH, that one would expect from some brainless, moronic twits!

    Unless, and until, David stops and blocks me from posting on BU, and he still displays commonsense, and fair-play, thank you David, I’ll never stop proclaiming, declaring, and defending, the Truth of God’s Word, never!

    Long live BU, as a forum by which both, sound, rational, intelligent, historic facts and evidence re God’s Word, can be proclaimed, and the absurd, ignorance, and down right stupidity, that flows from some who in utter NO -sense at all, in attacking it!


  24. Ignorance is ignoring to answer the hard questions. It’s like someone trying to shine a light in your eyes. You know it’s there but you keep your eyes shut and cover your ears and say blah. blah .blah.

    Peace


  25. For the benefit of other quiet observers, in Matthew 10: 11-15, Jesus said to His disciples:

    “Now whatever CITY or TOWN you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till you go out.” (v.11)

    “And when you go into a HOUSEHOLD, greet it.” (v.12)

    “”If the household is worthy, let your peace come on it. But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.” (v.13)

    “And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that HOUSE or city, shake off the dust from your feet.” (v.14)

    “Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of SODOM and Gomorrah in the day of Judgment than for that city.” (v.15).

    There is especially ONE, or maybe a few more haters and dispisers of God’s Word here on BU, that would love nothing better than for me to exit BU, and be silent, apart from that ain’t going to happen, the specific passages cited above, speak to the then NT world, where there were NO TV, NO Internet, or mass media communications, available, hence the words, HOUSEHOLD, or City, are used by Jesus in this particular context of “…depart that HOUSE or CITY, shake off the dust from your feet.” (v. 14b).

    However, here on BU, apart from the fact that there are many other topics, that I do not post comments on, and obviously there are other commenters, who are quietly, reading what I post et al, plus the fact that we really do not know how many overseas, in other countries, who are also reading quietly, but saying nothing, some been enlightened, PUTS BU as an Internet Blog site, in an entirely different setting, than a ‘Household’ or small city, commonsense would naturally dictate this understanding, but, then again, some don’t even have any commonsense!


  26. In the Word of God, the Bible we read:

    “He who speaks truth declares righteousness, But a FALSE witness, deceit.” (Prov. 12:17).

    “Though you grind a FOOL in a mortar with a pestle along with crushed grain, Yet his FOOLISHNESS will not DEPART from him.” (Prov. 27: 22 Emphasis added).

    Enough said!


  27. @ BU et al

    I am gobsmacked to sit and see how this idea of “religion” evokes such potent passions… The remarkable nature of the vitriol suggests that those who are trying to counter arguments against GOD*, FAITH*, THE BIBLE* & other aspects of CHRISTIANITY* clearly have NOT* presented sufficiently LOGICAL* arguments which would in anyway DEBUNK* the authenticity of the “REVEALED SCRIPTURES” as a means to disparage the notion or idea of FAITH*…

    Admittedly, there are some very “BRIGHT” folks on BU who hold very arduous yet assiduously arcane concepts while others choose to merely argue from a position of emotional semantics which beclouds their ability to openmindedly analyze specific aspects of Scripture and to elucidate counter-arguments…

    ZOE* clearly presents a “TOUGH” fundamentalist Scriptural position that can be hard to reason with, however, his epistemological persuasion has its basis in profound theological thought (something I pray that we are all able to live up to including my dear brother)…

    It maybe an uphill climb to suggest to the good folks on BU to observe a certain modicum of emotional detachment when NOT* observed, results in unnecessary arguments, name-calling and psychological pugnaciousness…


  28. Why Christianity Works: An Emotions-Focused Phenomenological Account* by Christian Smith
    (University of Notre Dame)

    It has been three centuries since Voltaire launched his attacks on the Christian Church, 160 years since Marx reduced religion to a narcotic of the oppressed, 125 years since Nietzsche proclaimed the death of God, and nearly 80 years since Freud exposed the illusion of faith as erroneous wish fulfillment in projecting a father figure. The Enlightenment and modernity brought with them profoundly anti-Christian voices and forces, and generations of these same intellectuals have debunked Christianity, deconstructed the church, and foretold the
    demise of the Christian faith. Today, more than a few heirs of this secular and secularizing tradition carry on this skeptical cause, inhabiting, in particular, knowledge
    class enclaves in higher education, the media, and various highly credentialed professions.

    http://socrel.oxfordjournals.org/content/68/2/165.full.pdf


  29. Why is it that as soon as you question the Bible, you automatically despise it?
    Must we follow blindly as sheep because our fore fathers did?
    That is the problem with you ‘christians’ today, especially the fanatics.
    You all seem to have a monopoly on the topic where it is what you say and nothing more, yet there are so many divisions who cant even agree on something like the Sabbath.

    No one one BU insults others more that Zoe once you dont share his views but I guess as long as you do it in the name of God, it is right.


  30. @ techie

    ZOE* is a zealot! That makes it hard for him to not take the crystal staircase… No one (including ZOE*) has a patent on the truth… And yes you are RIGHT* when you say that we have serious “DOCTRINAL” issues when it comes to whether we should observe the SABBATH* or sunday as a day of WORSHIP…

    If in the very near future, religious liberty is going to be a major contentious battle over whether we will be forced to observe a SPECIFIC* day – then we would have to accept that all along, ONE POSITION WAS RIGHT AND THE OTHER WRONG!!!

    Till then we plod on…


  31. TMB, Thanks for the compliment, I’m not the least bit ashamed of being called a Zealot, especially coming from you, as I’ll never compromise the TRUTH, on HIM, The Lord Jesus Christ, who IS the Eternal personification of TRUTH!

    For He said, “I AM the WAY (not one of many ways!) the TRUTH, (All of it, not just some of it!) NO ONE comes to the Father EXCEPT through ME.” (John 14:6 Emphasis added)

    Jesus was either the biggest liar, lunatic, and fraud, OR, He was who He claimed to be, the Eternal Son of God, the Only Saviour of mankind, manifestly, witnessed by those EYEWITNESSES, who KNEW Him, personally, and His Resurrected Power, and Glory, without which, there would have been NO indwelling Power that gave unbelievable further WITNESS to this SPIRITUAL reality, right down until today, and NO ONE, by unbelief, hatred against it, or any other devious intent, can EVER STOP its flow, as this glorious manifestation of Jesus’ authority in Heaven and on earth, comes from His Father, the One true, living and soveriegn God, who cannot be approached through any other Mediator, Advocate, and High Priest, than Jesus Christ.

    It is for this central Christological, Christocentric, TRUTH, and its attended doctrines, that I contend, and will never compromise!

    On the accusation of insulting others here on BU, the record will show, that I’ve been called all sorts of insulting things, expressly, BECAUSE of my uncomprising loyality, faith, and resolute commitment to Jesus and His Word, the Bible, AND, invariably, the insults, and insulting ALWAYS started first, by those scoffers, who could offer no, objective, sound refutation, but, resorted to words derison, redicule and mockery, AND this was launched deliberatly, AT Dictionary, a gentleman, scholar par excellence, a brilliant mind, and a son of our Caribbean region, who WAS repeadtedly INSULTED, over and over again, and NEVER responded, as I DO, well, that is Dictionary, the consummate gentleman he is, I am more a Martin Luther type personality, I do not suffer fools easily, I simply do not have time for that nonsense, come with sound, clear, well thought out, objective, valid, arguments, NOT the crap, and ignorant foolishness, disguised as ‘my opinion’ versus yours, when opinions, that ARE empty of logical content, are nothing more than, just THAT, hot-air, vacuous, venemous, malignant , pustule, BS!


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