Hindus In Barbados Show Insensitivity

hinduToday’s Nation newspaper in what history may record as a tipping point in the national conversation on race  relations in Barbados published a story titled,  Hindus want to spread the word. The opening paragraph of the article summarized the gist of the message;  HINDUS IN BARBADOS want to spread their religion and customs throughout the country to the point of convincing Government to grant national holidays for the observance of Hindu festivals. BU would have warned Barbadians for the past three years that this day would come.  To quote BU family member Jay, I want to say emphatically that this “Guyana society” must be absolutely nuts to try something like this.If you want your “observance” why not go where it is already recognized……in Guyana.It makes me wonder if this is being done on purpose to hurt the image of Barbados & to have a more conciliatory Government.Just like what has happen currently in Australia.They can already observe the day,why is a “national holiday required” ?

In recent days we have seen an escalation in the immigration rhetoric from David Commisiong and Norman Faria. Now we have this article published by the Nation which touches the prevailing sensitivity linked to the immigration Indo Guyanese issue. It is no secret that there is a group who has tag teamed to lobby the interest of others at the expense of what  the majority of Barbadians want. Does it matter that Barbados has a Black host population of over 80% which has been exemplary in charting the course of this country in our post independence period? We survey other countries blessed with more resources than us but who continue to be mired in economic, political and religious strife.

It is eerie the path which Barbados is beginning to embark. It seems like only yesterday when a similar conversation started in Trinidad. If we were to scan Trinidad’s Public Holidays for 2010 we note there is a Spiritual Baptist Liberation Day, Good Friday, Easter Monday, Indian Arrival Day, Corpus Christi, Id al Fitr (End of Ramadan), Divali (Hindu Festival of Light), Christmas Day and Christmas Day. The Trinidad and Tobago population mix is weighted more towards 50:50 Blacks and others. To this day T&T continues to be challenged by the multi-racial composition of its population. Barbados has the opportunity to define the type of society it wants based on the experience of others. Why should we rush knowingly into a situation when the evidence is available to provide a heads-up?

Hindus make up an infinitesimal percentage of the Barbados population. Yes the constitution of Barbados allows all religions to practice their faith secure in recourse to the law courts. However, let there be no doubt that Barbados has built its success on a traditional value set which has worked well for us. We are yet to know of other similar societies which can boast of the economic and political  stability that Barbados has enjoyed. The statement attributed to the priest of the temple of the Guyana Hindu Society in Barbados at the Hindu Temple Thakoor Prashad suggested that, In future, if Barbadians learn about this culture how it can bring about peace, unity and prosperity in this country, I would be very happy as a priest to join with all the people in Barbados to celebrate this festival with love. BU finds the statement an insensitive one for what it implies.

Tonight we learned of the appointment of former Barbados Employers Confederation head and current talk show host Harry Husbands to the Senate and as Parliamentary Secretary responsible for immigration. We all wait to see what influence Husbands will bring to the mess at the Immigration Department.

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110 Comments on “Hindus In Barbados Show Insensitivity”

  1. ROK March 11, 2010 at 11:31 AM #

    @David

    “Is Lindsay Holder sick?”

    Saw him about two weeks ago and he looked fine… but life can be fragile at times.

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  2. Adrian Hinds March 11, 2010 at 11:39 AM #

    Ask yourself what role did economics and economist play in what we are seeing today in Barbados regarding immigration and foreign cultural request in Barbados.

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  3. michael March 11, 2010 at 2:26 PM #

    Rok
    Your first two paragraphs i can agree with.But the statement that you make here.I have a problem with

    “our ingrained belief about good and God, goes beyond the boundaries of Christianity. There is something spiritual about us that even when we do bad things we do them with humanity in mind. We do not go to the extremely bad in the normal run of things. Then when we do bad, there is remorse, shame, conscience, etc.”

    First let me ask, what do you mean by Christianity ? I think that our view on Christianity is different i don’t believe that I or any other bajan can be more Christ like than the Lord Jesus him self (2) I dont understand how we can do bad thing with humanity in mind for when we steal from our sister,mother,brother,father,we hurt them and if we understand the pain that we are causing them, then we would not do it, let me also extend this thought to include the person who i may know that is living down the road or ten miles away from me,Rok there are bajans in prison for murder,rape,embellishment, and the list go on we are human after all,and yes there is remorse,shame,and a sense of conscience with some people

    “There is something there which we have, even if you can’t put your finger on it right now. As David said, we tend to dance to our own tune at critical times and it works.”
    I will call this empathy with one another and I think this comes from the fact that we suffered together as slaves and over the years this has coalesce,but if we are not careful we will loose it in these modern times

    “What I want to get across to you is that you can identify the wrong without necessarily knowing the correction,”

    yes this is true but it does not mean that one can’t try to use their christian values to try and solve the problem,because when there is a problem a person may use what ever tool they have at their disposal to solve it

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  4. Adrian Hinds March 11, 2010 at 3:55 PM #

    In Barbados we have Economists (Clyde Mascoll) and others, who are highlighting Barbados supposedly slow or slowing birthrate, in the context of concerns about Barbados supposedly burgeoning immigrant population. The largest section is said to be Indic’s. As indicated by activities in their home countries of Guyana and Trinidad, Indic’s and Affric’s are having a difficult time coming together in national unity. No attempts in either country seems to bearing the fruits of reconciliation, and Unity, yet we are set to create a similar society in Barbados due to corporate greed, political calculations, and the pie-n-the-sky believe that we (so called Caribbean nationals) are family, are one and the same, and have a common destiny.

    So let us stop breeding while the Indic’s don’t, and in so doing legitimize the Economist and Corporate leaders in the belief that our workforce can do with an injection of bodies.

    ————————————————————————————
    Minority births may soon top white births

    WTHR-TV
    updated 13 minutes ago
    WASHINGTON (AP) – This could be the year that the number of babies born to minorities in America outnumbers babies born to whites.

    That’s because immigration has boosted the number of Hispanic women in their prime childbearing years. Hispanic women have an average 2.99 children to 1.87 among white women. In 2008, 48 percent of the children born in the U.S. were minorities.

    Sociology professor Kenneth Johnson of the University of New Hampshire says by mid-century, census projections suggest that America “may become a minority-majority country.” But at the moment, whites make up two-thirds of the total population.

    The birth numbers highlight the nation’s growing racial and age divide. There are strong implications for the 2010 population count, which begins in earnest next week.

    (Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

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    Obama Sets Immigration Changes for 2010

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/11/world/americas/11prexy.html

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    DOES ANYONE SEE HOW OBAMA CAN GET A SECOND TERM? WHERE HE THOMPSON IN BARBADOS WOULD YOU GIVE HIM ONE? BOTH ARE PLAYING FROM THE SAME IMMIGRATION PLAYBOOK.

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  5. Visus March 11, 2010 at 5:53 PM #

    @Adrian Hinds

    “Barbados we have Economists (Clyde Mascoll) and others, who are highlighting Barbados supposedly slow or slowing birthrate”

    Yet the Barbados Family Planning is encouraging black women to kill their unborn children. Obvious the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing, or it pretends not to notice.

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  6. X-Man March 11, 2010 at 6:18 PM #

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1249898/Hindu-Davender-Ghai-wins-open-air-funeral-pyre-battle.html

    Hindus want to spread the word

    This headline could well be the saving of Barbados. It is deeply transparent and remarkably clear in its intent. We should thank The Nation newspaper for highlighting this story.

    Let me be clear, the afro-Bajan is not indebted to any racial group or nationality. We are a people of slave origins. We share our history with our slave ancestors; in fact they are the only group who we as a people are indebted to!

    What of now? Our future is been menaced by those who mean to do us harm. Barbados has to remove this growing cancer: the expulsion of the Asian (indo) community should commence. The ramifications of allowing this group to remain on this island are too serious to ignore. Barbados is a peace loving nation. If this cancer is allowed to spread there is a real danger of a proxy civil war evolving in Barbados.

    Those who have been responsible for this infamous betrayal of the Afro-Bajan should be given their day in court. If they are found guilty they should be …….; for having committed treason against their own people.

    The struggle for your re-independence has to start now: boycott all asian shops; report all illegal asians; ask the government to remove immediately all asians who have positions in security sensitive areas; for example airport security, immigration offices, etc; protest on the streets; write a petition to the government with 50,000 plus signatures; report employers who are employing illegal Asians; make your intentions clear to your government that you would like this group of people expelled; wear a tee-shirt or some item of clothing that identifies your disgust; bombard parliament and your members of parliament petitioning them to start the immediate repatriation of this group.

    Barbados is still perhaps one of the best places in the world for a dark-skinned man or woman to reside in. It is for this reason, that I request the government of Barbados to remove forthwith, all asians.

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  7. ac March 12, 2010 at 12:08 AM #

    Listen yuh all THE GENIE is already outof the bottle
    My suggestion you vote yuh own in officeand teach yuh children to do so.

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  8. ROK March 12, 2010 at 2:54 AM #

    @Michael

    “First let me ask, what do you mean by Christianity?… i don’t believe that I or any other bajan can be more Christ like than the Lord Jesus him self…”

    Christianity is a faith or a belief that Jesus Christ is the son of God and that God is the Creator of all things. Christians are therefore followers of Christ just as other religions follow other deities that make this claim.

    While you saying Bajan, I am saying African. This is a part which I don’t really like to deal with because we get knee-jerk reactions based on emotion.

    As a faith or belief, religion is spiced with many rituals and over time, a culture of a practicing Christian has manifested. We go forward with a worldview based on Christianity. It guides our actions on a daily basis.

    As a Christian society, we have expectations of people even though they may not be church-goers. In desperation a fella may rob another, but not kill him as a rule. If you get away or something goes unexpectedly, killing that person would outrage the society, hence, the average robber will not seek to kill his victims.

    This is demonstrated by several incidents, like the fella (alleged to be a returning national) killed his cousin and chopped up her body and put it in the boot of a car. The other is a rape where the perpetrator killed the girl and burnt the house. These are extremes and not at all characteristic of crime in Barbados; within a Christian society.

    So it is not a question of being more Christ than Christ, it is what we will stand for as a society or for that matter, what we will not stand for. When you steal, yes you hurt somebody, but it could be a lot worse, or are you saying if you steal and hurt them then you could hurt them all the way? So kill them when you steal?

    During slavery, a series of hideous crimes were perpetrated against black people. Women were raped; pregnant women were strapped between two horses pulling in different directions so that the woman split open and the fetus fell out; The genitals of slave were tampered with such as castration, severing the penis, etc. etc.

    How many of the Bajan inmates at Dodds have done these heinous kinds of crimes? One of the accomplices was so distraught that he went to the police. Said he could not keep it inside any longer. Note that I did not say that we have no criminals, I am saying that even in crime, we are not cruel people in general. So you saying that there are rapist, etc. in prison, does not address the issue; we know that.

    Second: “yes this is true but it does not mean that one can’t try to use their christian values to try and solve the problem…”

    Now where you got your Christian values from? There is a marked difference in the Christian values of the traditional church than those of a Bajan flavour. I really don’t know how to describe it, except to say that our approach to religion is more serious. We bring meaning to religion, whether it is Christian, Muslim or any other religion.

    If you consider the reason for so many denominations of Christianity, they emerge over the question of practiceswho is doing the right thing because they all want to be as genuine as possible. I am moreso referring to the smaller churches, although the same comparison can be made of the larger ones, Catholics, Anglican, SDA, CLS, etc. but is more rampant at the bottom, who have moved quietly away from the traditional church. When we embrace these denominations, we give them meaning; we give them soul.

    If we are to deal with religious freedom, the first thing we must do as a people is relax our minds. We must first stop thinking that we will be doomed if we don’t do the “right thing”. We must approach religion without fear in order to prevent senseless and illogical reactions to what seems different.

    We have not been allowed to mature religiously. I have complained several times that Christians are intolerant. This obsession with finding the true religion and always being on the right side of god is our downfall.

    I put it to you that if you knew nothing about Christianity and you were given all the texts of the ancient accounts from all the religions to read and study, you would have a hard time deciding which god to follow. The point here being that Christianity is just another religion; there is no proof of any truth, that is why you say, “I believe”. That is why you must have faith.

    The problem is that we were socialised into Christianity. We practice a lot of things in our daily lives which reinforce Christianity and, hence, we are locked in a mode, beyond which there is no rationale. This is no different, for example, than child abuse or domestic violence. How does it happen? Why does it happen? When we reach the point of “being right” without any rationale for assuming such. So you resort to violence when challenged.

    In religious terms this would amount to persecution. If you went into Bridgetown and proclaimed that Jesus Christ never lived, you may find yourself the target of stones. People will react without examining the truth or the proof. They will want you out of Barbados without any good reason except they were taught to think that you are the devil because of what you said. Yet there is not one ounce of evidence that Christ really lived and it is meant to be so; that is why it is a faith, a belief.

    The point to be made is that Christians are in the dark as much as many other religions. From this point of view, it means that Christianity has nothing on any other religion.

    Religion is the remnants of the haunts which our ancestors experienced due to natural phenomena that they did not understand. So just consider that having had so much explained by science we continue with the ignorance. Take the example of Thunder, which many religions report as God being angry. We now know what is thunder and while the religions may have dropped the anger thing, they carry on with the God.

    Christianity is too much ingrained in our public sector. You have civil servants making value judgments on people rather than do their job. We have this sense of who is and who is not deserving and we play God. Even in our courts it is ingrained and that is why the practice of law and dispensing justice is so flawed. That is why many innocent people are convicted and punished; something that we cannot deny. Yet we brand anybody that went to prison as criminals or people to suspect. We are not fair in the dispensation of social justice. What is a “criminal” if not just another person? Yet, they pay the penalty but are never forgiven by the society which set them up to commit the crime in the first place.

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  9. michael March 12, 2010 at 9:22 AM #

    @ROK
    I have read many of your postings and i know where you stand on this issue, I was drawing your attention to the word Christians, which can mean different things to different people and what I wrote was to show you where I stood on the subject

    “Christianity is a faith or a belief that Jesus Christ is the son of God and that God is the Creator of all things. Christians are therefore followers of Christ just as other religions follow other deities that make this claim.”

    I dont know what other deities claim,what i do know is that Jesus Christ is the only one who says that he is the son of God who died and rose again all the others is still dead,but please don’t lets get into all this right now. i am not here to change your views

    well yes in the broad terms I am an African ethnically but my nationality is bajan

    “As a Christian society, we have expectations of people even though they may not be church-goers. In desperation a fella may rob another, but not kill him as a rule. If you get away or something goes unexpectedly, killing that person would outrage the society, hence, the average robber will not seek to kill his victims.”

    i do not believe that there is such a thing as Christian society, but there is a judo-Christian culture in bim and i would seek to maintain that as you have said the slaves have in fused it with some of their own beliefs that is why i can call my self bajan

    “So it is not a question of being more Christ than Christ, it is what we will stand for as a society or for that matter, what we will not stand for. When you steal, yes you hurt somebody, but it could be a lot worse, or are you saying if you steal and hurt them then you could hurt them all the way? So kill them when you steal?”

    please go back and read what i said your quote above is so far from what i said and meant i don’t think there is any point responding to that

    Now where you got your Christian values from? There is a marked difference in the Christian values of the traditional church than those of a Bajan flavour. I really don’t know how to describe it, except to say that our approach to religion is more serious. We bring meaning to religion, whether it is Christian, Muslim or any other religion.

    How can you say we bring meaning to religion.let me say this as far as i am concerned the bible stand on its own merit .What people bring when they go to church is there own embellishments. the big church the small church the different denominations as Pentecostals watever it’s all vanity

    “If we are to deal with religious freedom, the first thing we must do as a people is relax our minds. We must first stop thinking that we will be doomed if we don’t do the “right thing”. We must approach religion without fear in order to prevent senseless and illogical reactions to what seems different.”

    “Doomed if we dont do the right thing,”This statement alone shows that you dont understand what it means to be a Christian,I am not here to preach to you but, Jesus Christ said he died for our sins once and for all(in the pass and future) ,and he will remember them no more he paid the price (fenito)

    We have not been allowed to mature religiously. I have complained several times that Christians are intolerant. This obsession with finding the true religion and always being on the right side of god is our downfall.

    we can never be on the right side of God, we are human and God the( Trinity )know this, when one reads the bible every person in it have sinned against God

    There are things practiced in this country which have nothing to do with being a Christian a lot of it is to do with people wanting to show that they have authority over other people like the dress code for people visiting the court environs hospitals and the staff,but this would be another thread

    Christianity is too much ingrained in our public sector. You have civil servants making value judgments on people rather than do their job. We have this sense of who is and who is not deserving and we play God. Even in our courts it is ingrained and that is why the practice of law and dispensing justice is so flawed. That is why many innocent people are convicted and punished; something that we cannot deny. Yet we brand anybody that went to prison as criminals or people to suspect. We are not fair in the dispensation of social justice. What is a “criminal” if not just another person? Yet, they pay the penalty but are never forgiven by the society which set them up to commit the crime in the first place.

    this is true but we will need another thread to discuss this topic
    i hope you can see where i am coming from this time

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  10. ROK March 12, 2010 at 10:00 AM #

    @michael

    ““Doomed if we dont do the right thing,”This statement alone shows that you dont understand what it means to be a Christian…”

    Why do you bring it down to you (the subjective) when I am speaking in general terms? You have your spin on Christianity as do others. What I write is not about my understanding of Christianity, but how people who claim to be Christians behave. let me say that I was brought up in a Christian home and went to both church services and Sunday School. If I don’t know what it is to be Christian, then I admit that I am a dunce.

    All the talk about “Judo-Christian” (Aside: Is that a martial art) is really besides the point. Bajans do not walk around saying they are Judeo-Christian. Our society is based on what people think are Christian values, whether or not they are, is another matter.

    You said: “please go back and read what i said your quote above is so far from what i said and meant…”

    If that is so, then what is the below all about?

    “I dont understand how we can do bad thing with humanity in mind for when we steal from our sister,mother,brother,father,we hurt them and if we understand the pain that we are causing them, then we would not do it, let me also extend this thought to include the person who i may know that is living down the road or ten miles away from me,Rok there are bajans in prison for murder,rape,embellishment, and the list go on we are human after all,and yes there is remorse,shame,and a sense of conscience with some people.”

    Am I to understand that you are not recognising the brakes that conscience will put on free will? i.e. morality. You saying that a thief has no morals? Ever heard of the saying, “Even among thieves there is honour”? Morality is nothing consigned to Christianity alone.

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  11. ROK March 12, 2010 at 10:06 AM #

    @michael

    BTW, other dieties claim to be the Creator of all things. Many religions have prophets or lesser gods that are material to the personification of the deities; somewhat like Christ. Just like you, they all have answers for just about anything under the sun, based on their religion and Christ is never mentioned; or Jehovah.

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  12. Lindsay Holder March 12, 2010 at 10:33 PM #

    David, ROK,
    In response to the question if I am sick, the answer is a sort of yes and no. Last year I made several contributions despite the fact that I had major surgery in March of thet year. Currently, I am on medication, and that should finish in April. As the treatment has progressed things have become a little rough; hence my reason for keeping a low profile.

    Regarding the suggestion by the Hindu priest, I would suggest that you label it the ‘Madness of Minorities’. The guy is mad, insensitive, and naive, but we should not worry because his suggestion will not come to pass in our lifetime.

    The tragedy of the idiot is that he has failed to comprehend that holidays of the sort he is requesting are only bestowed in recognition of a fundamental contribution to a society. A few Hindus have made a contribution in commerce and medicine, nothing else that other immigrants have not done.

    Unfortunately, however, the priest’s suggestion helps to highlight the non-assimilationist way of thinking of many members of that particular ethinic group.

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  13. ROK March 12, 2010 at 10:44 PM #

    @David

    To add fuel to the fire, the Hindus do not support us. They don’t buy our foods, they don’t go to our snackettes, etc. Furthermore, when they do buy from our farmers, they want the animals and produce at the least possible price.

    They say they can’t eat from us because we don’t pray over the meat or something like that.

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  14. Adrian Hinds March 13, 2010 at 1:29 AM #

    Lindsay, wishing you a speedy recovery.

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  15. michael March 13, 2010 at 7:10 AM #

    ROK
    conscience is subjective and there fore has no bearing on morals ,can i take you back to a statement that you made earlier

    “This is demonstrated by several incidents, like the fella (alleged to be a returning national) killed his cousin and chopped up her body and put it in the boot of a car. The other is a rape where the perpetrator killed the girl and burnt the house. These are extremes and not at all characteristic of crime in Barbados; within a Christian society.”

    from this statement I understand you to be stating that Barbados is a christian society.(2)what are you saying here that the returning national is not Barbadian or he is not a christian?
    I say no society can be classified as christian a society
    only an individual can state he or she is a christian

    “Why do you bring it down to you (the subjective) when I am speaking in general terms? You have your spin on Christianity as do others. What I write is not about my understanding of Christianity, but how people who claim to be Christians behave. let me say that I was brought up in a Christian home and went to both church services and Sunday School. If I don’t know what it is to be Christian, then I admit that I am a dunce.”

    in order to make this statement you must have a view

    G W Bush could not spell either and he was president of the U.S.A for two terms neither can the prime minister of England spell very well so please give me a break

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  16. ROK March 13, 2010 at 8:31 AM #

    @michael

    “I say no society can be classified as christian a society…”

    I wish I could agree with you but the facts are that many countries classify themselves according to the predominant religion; Christianity not to be outdone.

    Tell me, if you have a society where everybody is Christian, is that not a Christian society?

    You said: “i do not believe that there is such a thing as Christian society, but there is a judo-Christian culture…” Are we splitting hairs here? “Society”, “Culture” what is the difference?

    I can see that this discussion is going nowhere fast, especially when you are denying the facts and trying to use semantics to make a “non-point”.

    As to the spelling, you can spell how you want, I just could not help the “Judo” Martial arts wise-crack; especially with the Christians on here being so belligerent. LOL.

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  17. David March 13, 2010 at 8:55 AM #

    @Lindsay

    All the best to you. Your articulation of the issues facing Barbados has been missed on the blogs and in mainstream media. Really hope that you get better soon because where there is a void all kinds of strange things will happen. It is our sense that there is a tag-teaming by some along partisan political lines and they have ready access to mainstream media.

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  18. michael March 13, 2010 at 3:28 PM #

    @ROK
    Ok i accept that we are going no where
    with this thread so all i can say is
    touche’

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  19. Johnny Postle March 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM #

    An indian man told me years ago that indians spend their money only with Indians. Another also said to a colleague of mind that he knows an Indo Guyanese who purchase two properties (one he runs a supermarket; the other he is building some apartments) in the St. Michael area said blatantly that he does not like black people only their money. The story apparently was related to a few persons who frequent his supermarket but guess what, the black nit wits continue to patronize his minimart. Then in another related story an Indo Guyanese who was taking his animals to be ritualistically slaughtered stated that black people are easily convince and persuaded. They can be herded and easily manipulated to believe what you want them to believe. Rather these stories are true or not, we as black people need to look at the world around us. Every race, except our race are progressing, socially, economically and intellectually at a rapid pace. We seem not able to make our mark. Instead we are being left behind to wallow further in our indifference and prejudices against each other. This make is so susceptible to exploitation and exploited we definitely are. So what is going to stop Hindus from spreading the word. Surely not talk!!

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  20. michael March 14, 2010 at 12:34 PM #

    Has any one noticed how our political masters are busy bleaching the the colour the indians won’t have to worry by the time they take over bim all the big ups in our island little will be white just look at how quickly they can change in four generations remember we are only here to vote them into power to make things seem legitimate LOL

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  21. Adrian Hinds March 14, 2010 at 12:45 PM #

    Micheal wuh yuh mean duh bleaching? Duh actually using Ambi to ligthened their skin?

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  22. michael March 14, 2010 at 1:02 PM #

    dem is de mock ones i talking about de ones who doing it genetically remember when we use to get a white foul cock fuh de brown hens and yuh keep he off spring, in de end we had all we fouls white
    LOL

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  23. mash up & buy back March 14, 2010 at 2:24 PM #

    Johnny Postle

    I have heard the same things about indians only liking black people for their money and to see how they can use them.So those black men who feeling smart with their indian women will soon find out that you were only a stepping stone.

    There are ignorant black people in our midst who with a little learning think they are suddenly superior to their home grown black brothers and sisters;so they refuse to listen to advice and examples like you give above.

    They spout the rhethoric they hear from the European white man and the American white liberals – like blacks should stop speaking about the racial hatred they experience,or should not speak out about how the other races just want to use black people as consumers,oh no you must not speak like that.

    Only a revolution can save this country and for that you need a leader like marcus garvey or bussa or clement payne.

    God help us all !

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  24. FACTS March 14, 2010 at 3:09 PM #

    Mash up and but back,
    A revolution will not save this courntry (what ever you mean by “saving this country).
    For after the “revolution”, we will then turn on ourselves.

    We need to educate ourselves (with a rounded academic education); own businesses.

    We need to understand that we cannot have “freedom” without being financially free.
    In order to acheive this, we have to be producers of goods and services – not racial rantings!

    When we understand that progress comes from “selling”, we would then get the respect of other races.

    For too long we have been the consumers of other people’s junk.

    It’s time to move forward – by being the owners of capital (not the custodians)

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  25. FACTS March 14, 2010 at 3:13 PM #

    BU,
    I have to say this:Your blog continues to improve as time goes by. You are light years ahead of BFP.

    They sould take a leaf out of your book.

    Keep up the good work!

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  26. maggie March 14, 2010 at 7:01 PM #

    To: Young Person in the Newspaper blog who said: “to those who keep purporting that Barbados ‘IS A CHRISTIAN NATION,’…WHICH PART of barbados are you all living in? & who further observed – “so much lesbianism, so much nastiness, selfishness, corruption and you call this a christian nation????”

    I don’t know how “young” you are but Barbados IS a Christian Nation. The people are Christian. NOT Hindu, NOT Muslim. NOT any other Non-Christian belief system. The history of the 95% Black people who live in Bdos is that before they were allowed to read or write, they prayed to GOD & outside of the Bible and the various hymnals in the different churches, our National Anthem records that “The Lord (meaning God) has been the people’s guide for past 300 years”. We believe for the most part that God exists & that Jesus Christ is His son – i.e. we believe in Christ. That makes us Christian.
    PLEASE read your Bible or have your pastor explain & look at the Christians to whom Paul spoke in Corinth, Ephesus, Galatia & many other places he went. They were upheavals in the church which rivaled or surpassed what you have described in Barbados. It did not make those people LESS Christian. It meant they had work to do – a lot of it. Like we do. It is about such lives (lives that are JUST like ours in Barbados and in many Christian communities around the world) – lives of “HYPOCRITES”, tax collectors, prostitutes, Bad “Samaritans”, people who judge, betray, are ignorant, etc, etc that that gospel is still today preached. It is about you & me. The Christian church in the Bible that Christ fought & died for is us; so are the ones who stoned others; wept at the cross and even those who worship false Gods. SO!

    Hindus worship pagan gods. We are a Christian society & want to proselytize Christianity. We do NOT want to experiment with or spread pagan religions. Furthermore, why should less than 0.1% of the population have a HOLIDAY which disrupts the business of Barbados? That should ALWAYS be a private practice among themselves & people they choose to invite. It would be more practical for them to save up their money & every few years go back as a group to their respective communities in Guyana or Trinidad & celebrate there. It is inappropriate to say you like the things of someone else’s country and immediately on arriving, try to change what has been the bedrock of the same community you purport to like and admire. I say a resounding NO! By the way Young Person – the same “”HYPOCRITES”, tax collectors, prostitutes, bad “Samaritans”, people who judge, betray, are ignorant, and even those who try to usurp the religion of a host community also exist in Pagan religions – NOT just in Christianity – look at the many religious wars in history. Jesus wanted Christians to spread His gospel to ALL people. It would be counter-productive to allow someone else who does not believe in Him to even SUGGEST that a pagan religion should be aired in a Christian land. For what other reason would there be a holiday? Obeah is considered to be a religion also in some parts of the world – I have heard it is still illegal by Barbados laws (i am not sure) – but whether or not, could you even imagine a small number of people who practise it even suggesting that there should be a national holiday to commemorate it? Whether or not legal, it includes the worship of things other than the God we believe to be the TRUE and only LIVING God. Our Holy Book – The Bible, instructs the Christian community of which Barbados is a part – “Thou shalt have no other gods before me”. Now not only have we admitted other gods, we want to parade them, celebrate them, put them on show and have a national holiday for them – just like a Baal. I believe the non-Christians should abide by the rules of the Host country. Be grateful they are allowed to practice their pagan religion and take a leaf from the Muslim tree and journey back every now and again to Guyana and ask for a national holiday where they can do their own thing.

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  27. Anonymous March 14, 2010 at 9:20 PM #

    Maggie

    Well said my good woman,well said.

    However this needs to be said to our politicians both dlp and blp because this political correctness they are on about will be the undoing of us.

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  28. Visus March 17, 2010 at 7:01 AM #

    If i might go off on a tangent, we have been seeing a few black own businesses along Swan street during the process of more and more Indians entering the island.

    I believe this is just window dressing in order to keep blacks quiet, and have them believe that they are in charge, but at the end of the day the Indians probably own the buildings, and the blacks are renting these spaces.

    In the future the rents of these spaces will go up, the black will be forced to give these spaces to Indian sales persons.

    Recognizing this, blacks need to own they own spaces and stop concentrating on the “few dollars” they might be making now because this can be easily loss with high rents in the future.

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  29. ROK March 17, 2010 at 8:28 AM #

    @Virus

    One of the problems we have as Black People is that we do not know wealth. Let me say to you that the first “Courts Millionaire” (more than ten years ago) is now a poor man again. The million gone.

    I mentioned to a fella the other day that there are no really rich, wealthy Black people. He could not believe what I was saying and he was adamant that there were rich Black people that he knew.

    The question is, what is rich? If 95% of the Black people in Barbados own 10% of the wealth and 5% of the white people own 90% of the wealth, show me a ranking Black man that can hold his own against any of the 5% white. Do the mathematics.

    At a quick glance, it means that 1% of whites own as much as 50,000+ Blacks own, and that one white man is roughly equivalent to 20+ Black men, in wealth.

    Therefore according to this scenario and by averages, the richest Black man does not even approach the wealth of the poorest white man because that richest Black man will be counted in the 20+ against one white man.

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  30. JC March 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM #

    That analysis BADDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!

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  31. The Scout March 18, 2010 at 6:45 PM #

    Barbados can go ahead in the interest of tourism and allow holydays, holidays and bank holidays to any and every religion and social international group. This would certainly boost arrivals from all over the world as Barbados would then be deemed the Holiday Destination of the world. We will al;so become the laughing stock internatinally. Keep it up Barbados!!!!!!!

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  32. Ignore history at your own peril March 18, 2010 at 11:12 PM #

    The proof is right here.
    If you are with me i am with you, we all are one.
    But who is my friend.

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  34. Sam March 8, 2016 at 8:04 PM #

    It looks like BU are a bunch xenophobic morons. Hindus do not traditionally seek to convert others, unlike Christians.

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