Lord Nelson Statue Stands Like A Colossus In Heroes Square

Nelson Statue Located In Heroes Square Barbados

Nelson Statue Located In Heroes Square Barbados

It is the month of November when Barbadians will proudly celebrate forty two years as a sovereign country. We are told that the broken trident emblazoned on our national flag represents the break from our colonial past represented by England our colonial master at the time. The BU household is fully aware of the tremendous achievements we have made as a tiny island nation comparable with other countries better endowed with financial and other resources.

As a predominantly Black country we can wear our economic and social achievements proudly. As we  continue to bask in our achievements in the relative brief period of sovereignty, we are aware that we still have a long road to travel to foster that esprit de corps we will need  sustain our success. We believe that in recent years the focus of our development has been skewed towards physical at the expense of our social and moral development.

Under the previous government, to their credit they established the Pan African Commission, rebranded Trafalgar Square, Heroes Square and planted the Errol Barrow statue in Independence Square among our symbolic acts targeted at nation building. However the contentious issue of whether Nelson Statue should be removed from Heroes Square remains outstanding.

We suspect that the previous government played politics with this issue to not offend certain interests.

The BU household’s position on whether Lord Nelson should be moved is simple. We cannot deny our past so therefore we do not agree that it should be dumped in the wharf. However if as a country we have seen the need to rename Trafalgar Square to Heroes Square then it becomes fairly obvious, given the symbolism of doing so, that Lord Nelson should not occupy the prominence it now enjoys. Several other locations are available to resite Lord Nelson statue. Does the Thompson government have the commonsense to make the sensible decision?

Here is a contra-position:

Submitted as a comment by John on the Graeme Hall Sanctuary Blog

Go and actually read some history and you will find that not only did Nelson’s victory at the Nile in 1798 save Africa from French invasion, but that he also played a deciding hand in Haitian Independence in 1804.

… and the Louisiana Purchase by America is also directly attributable to the impact he had on French aspirations outside of Europe.

… and how do you think we are able to read the hieroglyphics which opened the world’s eyes to the wonders of early Egyptian civilizations? (Rosetta Stone) Nelson’s impact on world history is far larger that Trafalgar. That was bare icing!! His place was secure long before he died. I just went on the ancestry.com website to look at some of the slaves called after Nelson in 1834.

Here are some examples:

Beck Ann Nelson, Ben Nelson, Betty Easter Nelson, Betty Nelson,Black Nelson, Bob Nelson, Bob Nelson, Bob Nelson, Casar Nelson, Casar Nelson, Daniel Nelson, Debby Nelson, Edward Nelson, Frances Louisa Nelson, George Nelson, George Nelson, George Nelson, George Nelson, George Nelson, George Nelson, Hesther Nelson, Horatia Nelson, Horatio Nelson, Horatio Nelson, Ino Ewd Nelson, James E Nelson, James Nelson, James Nelson, James Nelson, Jim Nelson, Joe Nelson, Joe Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, Joseph Nelson, Kitty Nelson, Lord Nelson, M Nelson, Mary Nelson

Why do you think the Horatio Cooke Auditorium in Belmont Road has in the name Horatio? Wonder how the deejay Admiral Nelson got his name? It is a simple fact that Horatio and Nelson were used as christian names from 1798 onward all over the world. Some families actually used those two names over several generations!!

This is not a phenomena limited only to one race or country. It is found throughout the world. Go to familysearch.org and choose a surname and put in horatio as a christian name. Chances are you will get several hits from around the world.

People make the mistake of thinking that Nelson is simply Trafalgar and actually believe that the statue only commemorates the Battle of Trafalgar. The statue is a memorial to a remarkable man and every Bajan living at the time had a hand in its erection.

Go and actually read what it says on the statue and stop listening to people who do not read!! Read, and start thinking for yourself. When you do, think for a moment about why August 1st could have been chosen as emancipation day!!

You will find a compelling reason on the statue!!

Did you know also that there is a “Nelson” Island off the coast of Africa in Aboukir Bay, and why do you think we have a Trafalgar Street, … and a Nile street!! This guy was a superstar in his day!! Only someone who does not read would miss the significance of his life and achievements on world history.

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251 Comments on “Lord Nelson Statue Stands Like A Colossus In Heroes Square”

  1. Juris November 23, 2008 at 1:24 PM #

    David, I don’t understand what you are saying. Only make an assessment of NOW? So why such a furore over the destruction of slave huts? Why talk about our slave past? And what threat does Nelson pose NOW?

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  2. Anonymous November 23, 2008 at 1:49 PM #

    Let’s not focus on ancestors yet. I’ve got some living family members that I try to get as far from as possible. You would understand that John…I know! My ancestors are dead and mostly forgotten. Some Africans TODAY are abusing children by accusing them of witchcraft. Some are abusing albinos for the same reason! Should I hold these ideas in high regard because some Africans believe this to be so!? By the way some Europeans believe in witchcraft too. The moral is that all races are capable of stupidness.

    I am not into ancestor worship. John needs to exorcise his mind of such things.

    There is only one responsibility that I have other than to live in peace and usefullness to other living human beings and that is to raise my children to be useful and happy adults able to take on their responsibilties. teaching them veneration of dead people would be an insidious form of child abuse.

    @Juris, it isn’t nelson’s fault that there are people today who are not solution driven. Nelson is dead, he doesn’t exist anymore, he can’t do a thing. It is the superstitious beliefs of such people that characterise their thinking. Objects such as statues, religious icons even buildings are for them tangible “evidence” that buttress their irrational thinking. It is my submission that by removing these objects their mental health may be improved.

    Most of the world thinks that cricket is a silly sport (I don’t) but if a time comes that most Barbadians think so and that the achievements of the R.E. Sir Garfield Sobers is no longer relevant then down the statue comes! I won’t care because by then I’ll be dust to dust !

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  3. Anonymous November 23, 2008 at 2:00 PM #

    Juris
    I couldn’t give a r@$ho&! about slave huts. I don’t want to live in one and I would not want anybody to live in one either. However if you want to live in a slave hut, I would support your efforts to either purchase one or build one on your own land (just not next to my house which would lower my property value!)

    Nelson cannot pose a threat. It is people like John and the couple-in-exile that genuflect to statues and promote the idea that slavery was a good thing that possibly pose the threat.

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  4. David November 23, 2008 at 2:31 PM #

    Good question Juris.

    Maybe the same reason that we want to preserve the slave huts is the same reason the same people find the erection of the nelson statue in Heroes Square most upsetting.

    We are at a time in our history where the internationalization of Barbados has given interest to the accelerated need to indulge in nation building exercises.

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  5. Anonymous November 23, 2008 at 2:50 PM #

    Nelson was a Freemason:
    http://www.mqmagazine.co.uk/issue-15/p-07.php

    http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/racism.html

    Freemasons very powerful in Bim.

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  6. Anonymous November 23, 2008 at 3:00 PM #

    MQ Magazine:
    ” On 16 December 1805, the Master of the Union Lodge at York (now York Lodge No. 236) proposed that a public procession be held on the day of Nelson’s funeral to commemorate “a departed Brother and National Hero.”
    For the procession, a banner was prepared, decorated with the Bible, square and compasses, the sun, moon and stars and the inscription “England Expects Every Man to do His Duty. In Memory of Horatio Viscount Nelson who fell in the Moment of Victory off Cape Trafalgar Oct. 21st 1805. We rejoice with our Country But Mourn for Our Brother.”
    The second item is amongst the treasures of the Lodge of Friendship No. 100 at Yarmouth. It is a block of white marble about the size of a house brick. One of the long sides is engraved:
    In memory of Bror. Ld. Vt. Nelson of the Nile & of Burnham Thorpe in Norfolk, who lost his life in the arms of Victory in an engagement with ye combined Fleets of France and Spain of (sic) Cape Trafalgar Octr. 21 1805. Proposed by Bro. John Cutlove. “

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  7. ru4real November 23, 2008 at 3:00 PM #

    @ BUSH TEA
    I am more and more convinced that you are a government employee who chose to sabotage a government project to the detriment of the Barbadian people.

    Everytime you open your mouth lies and foolishness spew forth.

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  8. John November 23, 2008 at 3:57 PM #

    J // November 23, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    Dear John:

    You wrote “I don’t think we had an ugly past.”

    But we DID have an auglu past. Slavery is ugly John.

    How can you call, the physical, economic, social and sexual exploitation that was (and is in some eplaces still) part of slavery anything but UGLY?

    You are generally fairly sensible on this blog. But you lost it there John man. There is no need to defend the indefensible
    +++++++++++++++++++

    Everything you describe exists today in this world.

    Its a part of life.

    … but where there is life there is hope and hope is not ugly.

    I see the hope, you see the ugly …. and I am not looking through my blind eye.

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  9. John November 23, 2008 at 4:01 PM #

    Anonymous

    Toussaint was a Free Mason too!! … and a Catholic, and a slave owner …

    http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Toussaint-Louverture/Madison-Smartt-Bell/e/9780375423376

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  10. ru4real November 23, 2008 at 4:32 PM #

    @John
    This sounds an interesting book I must get it.

    What in your opinion is the reason for such blind hatred of history on this blog?

    Slavery was indeed a terrible thing but it is over now and throwing any amount of statues into the sea won’t make it not happen.

    Nelson was a great man of his time and only the ignorant can say otherwise.
    He embodied courage , fortitude and endurance. He was a leader of men.
    A hero in anyone book.

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  11. bushtea November 23, 2008 at 5:01 PM #

    @ ru4real

    *************************************
    @ BUSH TEA
    I am more and more convinced that you are a government employee who chose to sabotage a government project to the detriment of the Barbadian people.

    Everytime you open your mouth lies and foolishness spew forth.
    *************************************
    Who cares what you are convinced of ru4real? Based on you powers of logic so far on this blog I would suggest maybe 3-4 persons at most.

    Your above conclusion is about as correct and as logical as every thing else you have said on this blog…

    Were they not

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  12. Micro Mock Engineer November 23, 2008 at 5:36 PM #

    Lies and foolishness ru4real? ROFL

    When asked a few days ago (in connection with road widening) about the number of flyovers proposed, you replied that you believed it was five.

    For someone with as much knowledge as you obviously have about the project, are we supposed to believe that you didn’t know that eight were proposed from the outset? Or are you spewing lies and foolishness youself?

    Maybe you were not being dishonest, and you are genuinely ignorant of the original proposal and process followed… this would explain why you are so eager to defend what most Barbadians consider indefensible… i.e. the award of a multi-million dollar project (1) without a PRIOR feasibility study by an INDEPENDENT consultant, (2) without a due-diligence check on the consultant/contractor, (3) on the basis of a memorandum-of-understanding, (4) to a firm without a single registered engineer among its five employees, (5) without going through a tendering process etc. etc.

    Any rational person could only come to two conclusion about you ru4real… you are either dishonest and unethical OR you are ignorant about how this project was actually conceptualised and developed.

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  13. ru4real November 23, 2008 at 6:05 PM #

    Bush Tea
    Why not try opening your mind and shutting your mouth – both are empty anyway.
    Go kick a stature or something.

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  14. ru4real November 23, 2008 at 6:09 PM #

    Micro Mind Engineer

    In case you haven’t noticed this is a thread about Nelson .
    I shall therefore answer your post on the correct topic forum.
    Not to cause additional annoyance to persons commenting here.
    They have quite enough foolishness to put up with.

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  15. ROK November 23, 2008 at 7:23 PM #

    ru4real

    So was Ceasar and Churchill and Hitler and Napolean, Che Guvara, Castro, Sidney Burnett-Alleyne.

    Nelson is merely a convenient colonial icon and should have gone the day we shed those colonial feathers. Nothing special about him. He did it for England when we were owned by England. Why are we keeping Nelson? Because we are still of colonial mentality.

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  16. ru4real November 23, 2008 at 10:13 PM #

    No, having a colonial mentality is not the same as preserving ones heritage.
    That Barbados was a colony is also history.
    Please note also that all ex British colonies have done well and are considered more advanced that those colonised by ie Spain .
    Britain was the first to outlaw the slave trade long before the Americas or the other islands.
    Its all so trivial anyway.
    Cant believe folks are getting agitated about some old stature . If you want it moved move it.
    It will make a point of interest in front of the museum or anyhere along the seafront.
    Stuff Rihana on a plinth instead , 20 years hence she will be a has been and the next generation will groan and want to move her elsewhere.

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  17. Micro Mock Engineer November 25, 2008 at 7:22 AM #

    “If people are shaped by the view that they are made into history by some chosen few who are the real makers of history, you stabilize the relation of the dominant and dominated… if we could but succeed in planting in people, not only the idea but the fact, in their consciousness, that they are the makers of history, then you alter the relationship between them and those who hold them in their hands.” – George Lamming

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  18. harry July 18, 2012 at 7:45 AM #

    why not let the people push his statue down so i can film it.
    the British tourist will love it.
    then all your British tourist gone.
    and Barbados will fall and the truth about blacks being racist against whites in Barbados will be revealed to the whole world.the truth at last.

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  19. millertheanunnaki July 18, 2012 at 8:13 AM #

    @ harry | July 18, 2012 at 7:45 AM |

    Man harry, why don’t you ease up a bit on these naive black people?
    They are like little children who look up to white people and see them as gods and angels. These poor brainwashed souls are as innocuous as a fly around a cow’s south end.
    A total demolition job as been done on their psyche by their white masters through religious indoctrination, sexual exploitation and cultural denuding and a reincarnation into “black white” people.

    As you implied, one only has to look at the pride the blacks take in referring to their ancestral family names from Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England.

    I beg of you, ease off! They are but little children knowing no better- thanks to the mythology surrounding that figure portrayed at the top of page 24 in today’s (17/07/2012) edition of the Barbados Today online newspaper. A god like figure portrayed in your image. Until the stupid blacks focus on the image at the Bottom Right of the same page instead of the European god subliminal image they will always remain in total darkness and not knowing of the source of their much self-maligned skin colour and real identity as a people.

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  20. old onion bags July 18, 2012 at 8:31 AM #

    OH Laud Miller…..ya gine kill hee…..lol
    I cud picture harry seeing red …. gine fa D shotgun n buck shod fur U impetuous native

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  21. peacegiver October 23, 2013 at 7:59 PM #

    The only reason people in Barbados kick up a fuss about Lord Nelson and want him gone is because he was a white man!! We have come to be a hateful people in Barbados that hate anything related to white people. That is not how God wants us to live!! As a Chistian society we should act better than that. Our British history is important because it makes us who we are today! Most of Barbadians that call themselves black have British/white in their ancestory as well. We need to embrace all of our heritage and leave the historical sites like Lord Nelson just where they are!! Barbadians need to stop this hate of white people; it is not healthy!! Not all white people were bad years ago or are they bad now. Many of you talk like this country Barbados only belongs to the blacks now and that everything should be all about black people. What about the good white Barbadian people that live here now? They are just as much Barbadians!! Most of them are very nice and kind people. Some black people in Barbados are too hung up on slavery and living in the past. Yes we can recognize our history but we don’t need to dwell on it, hate people and hold grudges; even as far as hating a statue that was important to Barbadians that lived here long ago. Let go of the hate and leave Lord Nelson in Trafalgar Square in Bridgetown!!

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  22. Dave July 23, 2014 at 8:49 AM #

    Nelson’s is the greatest hero that sailed the 7 seas. The blacks have their hero’s let the whites have theirs. If you take down Nelson then you would have to take down all others or they would be taken down by future generations. He is the by far England’s greatest national hero and we are a part of the British Commonwealth. Take him down you destroy tourism by showing the world your racism.

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  23. Raymond Lee January 17, 2016 at 11:32 AM #

    Lord Nelson’s Statue…

    I fear I have come in 8 years too late to join the discussions! I only found out about it by surfing the web today 17 January 2015.

    Can I make one historical fact clear – Nelson was in Barbados for only one day. Yes, one day! And lo behold, he got a statue!

    I fail to understand why you all Bajans are in the dark about the one white man, a deaf man, who fought hard against the white-dominated House of Assembly to turn the killing of any slave into a felony? He stood his ground and in the end created a law that is punishable by death to prevent any white plantation owner and their ruffian employees from treating black slaves as property and killing them at their whim.

    Surely this deaf man, Francis Humberston Mackenzie, properly titled Lord Seaforth, deserves his place in the history and folklore of Barbados rather than Horatio Nelson, whose contribution to Barbados itself was NIL.

    Do think about it… Seaforth’s contribution to the people of Barbados labouring under slavery during his time as Governor of Barbados was immense. It was his contribution by sending reports on cruelty to slaves to Britain that led to parliamentary debates and the abolition of the slave trade in 1807, the first step that set the ball rolling to full freedom in the years to come.

    There should be a statue of Lord Seaforth in Heroes Square along with the great Bajans and the statue of Nelson banished.

    Raymond Lee
    Feltham
    England

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  24. David January 22, 2016 at 10:47 PM #

    Stated with all sarcasm. Should Barbadians hid from their history?

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