The Bible And The Qur'an, Brothers Kept Apart

brotherskeptapartFellow blogger Weighed in the Balance has undertaken the ambitious and highly risky task of writing a book which as he terms it “is a comparative analysis of the Bible and the Qur’an, and it assumes that both books are correct.  If God is the principal author of each book, as Christians and Muslims claim, then a comparative analysis should reveal harmony between the principal teachings of both.  This is what I have found.  Hence, Christians and Muslims have been kept apart by their religious leaders who have taught their adherents that God has rejected the other group.” The topic matter was thought to be so contentious that he originally penned his book using a pseudonym.

Phillip’s book is titled Brothers Kept Apart and can be purchased on Amazon.com at a reasonable price. Some members of the BU family have already demonstrated that they are students of the religions. Brother Phillips advises that the book represents 30 years of research and 7 years of critical review and he stands ready to defend his thesis.

It is no secret that the BU household has demonstrated a keen interest in the religions or what some people disparagingly refer to as dogmas. It is a fascinating subject and one which is shrouded in mystery, allegories, parables, fables and some theology  Religion has been used through the ages to edify and destroy man’s existence. Of interest to all through the ages has been the cooption of  religion to pit Islam versus Christianity, East versus West by geo-political motivated groups.

For a synopsis of the book the BU family is welcomed to visit Phillips’s blog. We look forward to a fascinating discussion and take the opportunity to wish him every success.

What he has attempted demonstrates courage of conviction, a characteristic in scarce supply.

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0 responses to “The Bible And The Qur'an, Brothers Kept Apart

  1. “I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own — a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism.” [Einstein]

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  2. Georgie Porgie

    Rohan
    You are best at posting obscure texts out of thier context. Perhaps you should stick to that. No one really cares about Einstein’s religious thoughts.

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  3. Well said GP.

    Who exactly cares what Einstein thought apart from his narrow scientific area of expertise at the time?

    As it is, what Einstein knew then pales into insignificance when compared to what current scholars now know….even in his area of expertise.
    …give us a break Rohan…

    Now GP,
    After your scholarly and well researched response above, you mean that you dispute my conclusion that Jesus interpreted ‘salvation’ to mean being born of the spirit after a successful earthly life and thus becoming one of the children of God?

    Man GP this is EXACTLY what he told Nicodemus in response to a direct question.

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  4. BT
    “mankind’s potential to be ‘born again’, ‘born of the spirit’ and to become ‘sons of God’.”

    Where you really going with this nonsense? That is about genetics and the only born again was in reference to mankind as a stock. Don’t think that anybody on earth can be born again; it would have to be by genetic modification.

    And this foolishness about the holy spirit; It used to be the HOLY GHOST. That is how we take this thing and make a mockery of it.

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  5. Georgie Porgie

    BT
    NO. I do not dispute your position that Jesus informed Nicodemus in John 3:3 & 5 that he needed to be born again (or out from above by the Spirit) at all! I agree with that part.

    Where we disagree is that I believe such birth begins the Christian life. One immediately becomes a TEKNON and enjoys the adoption of sons simultaeously. This is also called JUSTIFICATION or POSITIONAL SANCTIFICATION. You become adopted as a son with all of its attendant benefits and blessings.

    Then as you pointed in your point about spiritual DNA, John teaches in 1 John 3:9 that since you have the Father’s GENES or GENOTYPE, you are now supposed to express the PHENOTYPE that goes with those genes. So one works at being a son, or expressing the fact that one is a son by thier lifestyles and in response to trials and suffering and other features of what you call the “crucible experience.”This is called PRACTICAL SANCTIFICATION

    We seem to differ on the TIMING of recieving ones sonship. Perhaps you are stressing the final end of one’s sanctification when one enters into eternal joy as taught in Romans 8 or PERMANENT or PERFECT SANCTIFICATION.

    I am not sure if you are recognizing these phases.

    I dont think we disagree all together. I just think you need to come to Bible Class Sir! LOL beg MME to help ya BT wid them lash lashes man!

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  6. Bush Tea, months ago, I gave you detailed Scriptural proof of the doctrine of the ‘trinity using many text from the New Testament that emphatically reveal the ‘Trinity’ of persons in the Eternal ‘Godhead’ that is, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.

    While there is no use of the ‘term’ Trinity, in the New Testament, using the logic of equivalence and inference, we can coherently and cogently see plainly from a variety of text, that the Scriptures give us the revelation of the Eternal Godhead, who has revealed Himself as one God, existing in (three) Persons, even the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; distinguishable, BUT indivisible in essense; Co-eternal, Co-existent, Co-equal in nature, attributes, power and glory.

    There IS but One Eternal Godhead, who is one undivided and indivisible essence; and in this one essence there are three eternal Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

    The term ‘Godhead’ is found in two places in the NT, Romans 1: 20, “His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and GODHEAD, so they are without excuse.”

    The second place is Colossians 2: 9.

    Speaking about Jesus, it states:

    “For in Him dwells ALL the fulness of the GODHEAD bodily.”

    Paul states the heart of the message about the Person of Christ. There dwells (at home) IN Christ not one or more aspects of the Godhead, but, the very essence of God, from ‘theos deitas.’

    The emphasis here, IS, that “all the ‘pleroma’ of the Godhead” not just certain aspects of, dwells IN Christ, and IN bodily form ‘somatikos’ dwells now in Christ in His glorified humanity (Phil. 2: 9-11), “the body of His glory” ( toi somati tes doxes). The absolute fulness of the Godhead was in Christ before the Incarnation (John 1:14, 18; Phil. 2:6). It was the Son of God who became the likeness of men (Phil. 2:7).

    This asserts plainly the ‘Deity’ and the ‘humanity’ of Jesus Christ in corporeal form.

    Now, BT, while you don’t understrand the Bible in any comprehensive way, I believe you are nevertheless an intelligent man, even though you have this ‘blockage’ with the term ‘trinity.’

    Let us reason together, and look carefully, unemotionally, but, logically and coherently at a few passages that plainly teach and reveal the ‘trinity’ of Persons IN the Eternal ‘Godhead.’

    Following are a few of the Scriptures from the Gospels and Epistles which clearly show the ‘distinctions’ in the ‘Godhead’ as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. These verses tell of ‘three’ distinct Persons, each having distinct ministry and function, YET, one in mind, one in essence, and one in the purpose, plan and operation of Redemption.

    Matthew 3: 16-17:

    The Father’s Voice which spoke from heaven.
    The Son of God in Jordan’s waters of baptism.
    The Holy Spirit descending bodily in the shape of a dove.

    Mathew 28: 19:

    Baptizing them into the Name
    of the Father
    and of the Son
    and of the Holy spirit.

    Note carefully, BT, it did NOT say, ‘names’ which would imply three gods, BUT, one ‘NAME’ that IS, the Godhead, constituting the ‘three’ distinct Person, distinguishable, yet, indivisible, within the Godhead.

    Matthew’s Gospel opens and closes with specific revelation of the ‘Godhead’ as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    John 14: 16-17:

    The Father hears the prayer of the Son
    The Son prays to the father
    The Holy spirit as the Comforter will be be given.

    I Corinthians 12: 4-6.

    Diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit (Holy spirit)
    Differences of ministrations, BUT the same Lord (The Son)
    Diversities of operations but the same God (The Father).

    Ephesians 2:18:

    Access unto – The Father
    through Him – The Son
    By one Spirit – The Holy Spirit

    Ephesians 4: 4-6:

    There is one Lord – The Father
    There is one Spirit – The Holy spirit
    There is one God – The Father

    II Corinthians 13:14:

    The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ – The Son,
    The Love of God – The Father,
    The Communion of the Holy spirit – the Spirit.

    BT, this is just a brief look from the Scriptures, showing plainly and clearly the ‘three’ distinct Persons of the Eternal ‘Godhead’ which gave rise to the reasonable, logical, conclusions of formally declaring as sound Biblical ‘doctrine’ the ‘Trinity’ as the Word of God, while it did not specifically use the term ‘trinity’ the absolute revelation in New Testament Scripture is so emphatic in showing the interconnectedness of the ‘three’ distinct Persons of the Godhead, that to conclude otherwise we be blinded ignorance.

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  7. And madmen like Zoe still talking about spiritual PROOF and BIBLICAL PROOF.

    THERE CAN BE NO SUCH THING.

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  8. GHOST: The dilemma; To change Ghost to Spirit?????

    A ghost has been defined as the disembodied spirit or soul of a deceased person, although in popular usage the term refers only to the apparition of such a person. Often described as insubstantial and partly transparent, ghosts are reported to haunt particular locations or people that they were associated with in life or at time of death.

    Phantom armies, ghost-animals, ghost trains and phantom ships have also been reported.

    A poll conducted in 2003 showed that more than half of adults in the United States believe in ghosts and/or demons.

    Ghosts or similar paranormal entities appear in film, theatre, and literature; legends and myths, and some religions.

    A notion of the transcendent, supernatural or numinous, usually involving entities like ghosts, demons or deities, is a cultural universal shared by all human cultures. In pre-literate ethnic religions, these beliefs are often summarized under animism and ancestor worship.

    In many cultures malignant, restless ghosts are distinguished from the more benign spirits which are the subject of ancestor worship.

    Ancestor worship typically involves rites intended to prevent revenants, vengeful spirits of the dead, imagined as starving and envious of the living. Strategies for preventing revenants may either include sacrifice, i.e. the provision of the dead with food and drink in order to pacify them, or the magical banishment of the deceased, preventing them from returning by force. Ritual feeding of the dead is performed in traditions like the Chinese Ghost Festival or the Western All Souls’ Day. Magical banishment of the dead is present in many of the world’s burial customs. The bodies found in many tumuli (kurgan) had been ritually bound before burial, and the custom of binding the dead persists, for example, in rural Anatolia.

    Nineteenth-century anthropologist James Frazer stated in his classic work, The Golden Bough, that souls were seen as the creature within that animated the body.

    Ghosts and the afterlife
    Further information: Soul, Psyche, Underworld, Hungry ghost, and Psychopomp
    Further information: Ghost Festival, All Souls’ Day, and Day of the Dead

    Although the human soul was sometimes symbolically or literally depicted in ancient cultures as a bird or other animal, it was widely held that the soul was an exact reproduction of the body in every feature, even down to clothing the person wore. This is depicted in artwork from various ancient cultures, including such works as the Egyptian Book of the Dead, which shows deceased people in the afterlife appearing much as they did before death, including the style of dress.

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  9. That except above was from wiki. I keep telling people like GP and Zoe that you are changing the true culture of Christianity and in doing so, you are more and more “idolatarising” the faith.

    There is no doubt that the ancient people knew what was going on. We are here trying to change the thing to what we think it should be rather than move closer to the truth.

    So christians are moving it away in a fairy tale world of magic; with people who can appear out of thin air and a person existing as a “spirit” rather than a ghost; remembering too that a ghost is a thing that was once part of the living and now among the dead.

    I will tell you again that the ancient people knew what they were saying, why are we trying to change it to suit a utopian dream?

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  10. @GP
    “No one really cares about Einstein’s religious thoughts.

    I suppose we should care about GP’s thoughts who could not make it past being a GP by his own admission. I wonder if we don’t care about Einstein, why should we care about GP? After all, it was the brilliance, imagination, world view and a lot of things about Einstein that led to his observance of laws that we still cannot shatter today. Everything about Einstein is important

    This scant disrespect by christians, will surely not get them to their “heaven” and like Rev. Errington Massiah said, People like Zoe and GP can only be the enemy to christianity and the downfall of the religion. You guys spouting what you don’t understand and what you know nothing about.

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  11. Man done dis t’read nuh…?

    AAAAAAAAAAAAghhhhhhhh

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  12. I agree with Gear Box…. (lord have mercy – never thought I would say that!! LOL).

    … GP /Zoe it would be great to continue this topic (which has strayed from the moot) maybe in a more appropriate thread.

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  13. Georgie Porgie

    I dont think that many ever addressed the moot from the beginning, at all. During the first week I made no contributions since I know nothing about the Qur’an, so I could not compare it with the Bible.

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  14. Professor ROK-HEAD, you are so engrossed, absorbed, engaged and immersed in your ‘imbecility, which you practice with such alarming alacrity, is really a such a JOKE, which I have a hearty laugh at!!!

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  15. @ Zoe…..by the way….

    I saw your post today at (Zoe // May 21, 2009 at 2:56 pm) and have decided to do you the courtesy of ignoring it.

    It is one of the most illogical, unreasoned and unhelpful postings on BU outside of PDC.

    I will seek to assist you in this matter on another thread….

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  16. BT, Man, I’m really surprised at you, I thought you could ‘reason’ logically, when sound, Biblical evidence, is provided that is basic common sense, that even a child would understand!

    BT, the JW’s Mormons, et al, like they got you proper, with their blatant heresy!

    1 + 1 + 1 = 3 (three) is three not the logical equivalence of the term ‘Trinity’? Is that not logical, and coherent?

    Therefore, when Jesus said:

    All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the ‘NAME’ (singular) of THE Father, and of THE Son, and of THE Holy Spirit.”

    As pointed out earlier, the use of the singular ‘Name’ and the definite article ‘The’ before each ‘Person’ of the eternal Godhead, grammatically, linguistically, and by logic, emphatically, show each Person, individually, and by the singular ‘Name’ collectively, meaning co-equalty, co-existence, as a ‘Trinity’ of Persons in the One ‘Godhead.’

    Plus, the numerous other passages throughout the New Testament, confirming, over and over again, the ‘Three’ distinguishable, yet, co-equal, ‘Trinity’ of Persons, which can be stubbornly denied, BUT, cannot be refuted with any senseable logic!

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  17. It is hilarious watching Zoe and Bush Tea go back and forth about LOGIC!

    You guys are hilarious!

    By the way, aren’t you supposed to be believing by faith? You know faith:

    “Strong belief in something for which there is no proof”.

    Isn’t that supposed to be a virtue? So just come out and say it: “I Bush Tea/Zoe believe in all this crap for which I have no proof, and do so with strong convictions!”

    Then you can go back instructing each other on “Logic”..haha

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  18. Christianity: The belief that a cosmic jewish zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
    ***
    Yup,this sounds really logical. I can see why a “logical” person would believe this…right Bush Tea/Zoe et al.

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  19. Ready-Done

    Jesus story is not even original, the first Jesus story was the virgin Isis giveing birth to hours (google isis)

    We must believe in something and if we evolved from monkeys who made them?

    It best to believe in your self or mother nature.

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  20. Looks like Brother Grenville is soldiering on with his book.

    Click HERE to see what he is up to.

    Good luck to him.

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  21. Would love to hear your comments and ideas regarding this post and clip:

    http://loga-abdullah.blogspot.com/2009/11/10-reasons.html

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  22. What would Jesus say to you now?

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  23. Hi
    Where is the Qur’an kept?

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  24. After I initially left a comment I appear to have clicked on the -Notify me when new comments are
    added- checkbox and from now on every time a comment is added I recieve 4 emails with the same comment.
    Perhaps there is a way you can remove me from that service?
    Thanks!

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